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WoW is the best MMORPG on the market
Echorox
Member Posts: 37
I read this forum frequently, alot more frequently than i post, and one glaring omission seems present throughout these pages of fanbois and trolls:
WOW IS THE BEST ONLINE RPG ON THE MARKET!
I make this point in capital letters, because i think that if someone is truly here to make an informed opinion on whether or not to play this game, they need to hear it loud and clear. I am not just some fanboi of WoW, though i admit i probably am, but i am a fanboi of the genre. I have played 20 online games over the last 12 years and i can tell you for sure, that WoW is the most polished, smooth moving, wholy complete title out there to play and if you enjoy these types of games, this is the one to go to.
Now, the trolls will have you believe that WoW is plagued with issues. To name a few i have read here.
1) Grindfest/Farmfest
2) Unbalanced PvP
3) No endgame
4) Bad customer service
5) Ques
6) Bugs and lack of innovative content
Sound familiar? The reason this list sounds familiar is not just because you read them pointed out here so often, but because they are not problems that WoW alone possess, they are problems with the genre as a whole. If you want to play an online rpg, guess what, your gonna spend time grinding and farming. Every new game that enters the market touts a new way to keep you lvling and having fun, but all of them send you on tasks to farm rat tails or simply kill boring mob 2000 times. You know how many demons i had to summon to get from skill lvl 99.9 to Grandmaster Mage in Ultima Online? If you play any game for 20 hours or more a week you are going to be doing something repetitive. Hell, i bet chess masters complain that they are sick of taking pawns over and over again, but guess what, its part of the game.
Through every game i have played lo these many years i have seen these same complaints over and over again, and ironically, it is most often by the people who have spent 2000 hours of their life "testing" the game. If Oblivion could promise you 2000 hours of gametime wouldn't it be hailed as the best game ever made?
Ultimately, every game is plagued with a certain vocal minority that hammers even the greatest games over the minutest of details in the belief that somewhere just over the horizon is the perfect game for them. The problem is, the perfect game for them is not the perfect game for you, and if your waiting for perfection you are going to be one very dissapointed troll. Is WoW perfect? HELL NO! It shares all the same flaws as the rest of the industry and has probably created a few of its own. But, aside from that, it is a beautifull world where even the biggest troll can get lost for 2000 hours, and if you are a fan of this type of game, you are wasting your time and money playing anything else. I'll personally be the first to switch when something better comes along, but that time aint yet.
Ignore the troll dribble you see here, and in ALL the other game forums on this site, and try WoW. It is quite simply the best game, until something better comes along, on the market.
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In a market of dire and mediocre MMORPGs thats not really saying much.
Its probably the best, but the best of a bad bunch.
I don't actually agree that WoW is the best mmorpg in the market. Well, maybe it is the best made mmorpg, in terms of gameplay and functionality, but then again, I would say Everquest II is as well.
I'd never label a mmorpg, or any game, "the best" because everyone has their own opinions and different tastes.
One thing I do agree on is this last post I quoted. Many players seem to think that the mmorpgs on the market today are no good, but I still see lots and lots of subscriptions to them. Maybe the next generation of mmorpgs need a little extra something to bring fresh concepts and new ideas to the genre, but overall I'd say that there is a good variety, and many good mmorpgs out today.
My opinion is that Blizzard and Sony Online Entertainment makes the best ones, but I never overlook the smaller companies and their games, which is way I am currently trying out Face of Mankind, and still playing RF Online. I love it when a no-name, small company comes out with a great game that surprises everyone. Look for Fallen Earth to do this
But back to the topic, World of Warcraft in it's subscription base alone can definitely be ranked as the best mmorpg, if that's all you judge it by. However it still has it's share of problems, same as every other mmorpg. I tend to judge a mmorpg by how much fun they are to play, number one, and then by the companies efforts and willingness to listen to the players. Blizzard seems to be doing this, although I am not a subscriber anymore so I am not sure lately.
Hope the prob that server crashes will be resolved soon..I mis my mage in destromath..
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starting a new journey may not be so hard,
or maybe it has already begun.
There are many worlds,
but they share the same sky --- one sky, one destiny.
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WoW is simply a poor MMO because of poor planning. It had so much potential but fails.
Everythign is tied together in a poor way.
Why should armor kits have level requirements but not crusader or +100HP enchants (etc)? If you couldn't get those enchants at T2-T4 would that eliminate many of the issues in BGs? I believe it would.
If they designed the DPS system around better gear rather than time aiming/waiting then would it need to be normalized? Nope. When hunters and warriors skip purple drops for easy to get blues there is an obvious issue...took almost a year for Blizz to realize there was an issue.
List goes on and on. WoW fails because of poor planning and rushing to market. The base is good, but a good base doesn't make a good game.
Onto your points specifically:
1. grindfest: eh most are, so equal ground
2. unbalanced PvP: the BGs are poorly designed and create bonuses for horde or alliance depending on BG. This is a very valid point.
3. There is an endgame if you raiding
4. There customer service blows honestly. compared to NCsoft or even SOE, which is sad. Personally they charged my credit card over 4 times in one month alone. Took over 2 months for them to fix it.
5. Queus are a fault of the system. When ppl hit endgame and gold sales increase on any particular server ppl migrate to a new one. The new server gets queues the old on losses it. This is a fault of poor plannign again. releasing new servers and letting old ones die isn't a solution to maintaining a game.
6. Bugs? well exploits are the greater issue. Macros are one thing, but WoW has suffered from exploits withing the custom UI since release. Being able to make situational buttons appear on over 90% of the screen (like overpowere or riposte) when available so that no thought is involved merelt clicking withign the majority of the screen creates a poor gaming situation. This is made worse by the PvP aspect of WoW.
I can agree that WoW is the second less bad MMORPG, but it is not even half as good as City of Heroes/Villains and here are the reasons:
- The gameplay is MUCH faster in CoV/CoH, the combats are FAST and FURIOUS without been an action game.
- Traveling around is much faster in CoH/CoV, both inside an area or to cross the world. There is no point in taking 10 minutes to reach a destination.
- Customisation models. The characters are all clones in WoW, beside a few MINORS differences, they don't differenciate each others.
- Characters variety. In WoW you have very few class and the difference between characters of the same class is...limited. In CoH/CoV you have more archtypes than you have class in WoW and each archtype has between 3 and 20 class depending on how severe you are. HUGE differences.
- You can log and find a group a LOT faster in CoH/CoV.
- Solo is better in CoH/CoV, a soloer is not backward compare to a grouper.
- The rules in CoH/CoV are simpler and more complete. Easier to grasp, easier to understand, harder to master. There is nothing to argue here, leveling up in CoH can't be simpler than that, yet it somehow manage to outmatch WoW in it effects and impacts on the game while been that simple. No arguing possible, simpler and more complete, leaving all competitors behind...FAR behind.
- You have no menial task to accomplish, like an overly easy CR that is nothing but time consuming, Inn trash thinking, looting anything is automated and the list merely starts. If CoH would be a man, than WoW would be an ape as far as player pleasure is the center of interest rather than menial tasks.
- The endgame mistake is less developped in CoH/CoV, thereby it is less bad and less hindering the game.
Finally, even if WoW is less bad than EQ, WoW is merely an overgrown tutorial for EQ. If you enjoy WoW, you seriously should consider a harder and harsher setting.
I will defend City of Heroes/Villains anyday against WoW fanbois, WoW merely adapt EQ. CoH bring the genre forward before they clumsily put Issue2-6, ED, HOs and IoPs.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Wow's custominzation is actually pretty complex, only thing they left out was body size but, that's a racial thing. I think the game is great better then most, it's just people playing it too much is why they get bored of it like everything else.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Not in my eyes. It's just another one of those "kids" games. Why? Cus you have that extreme awarding and confirming feeling in the game, I don't need that kind of confirmation, I can find it myself.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
The game need more content besides grinding for faction, and a better infrastructure.
This game is still the same since launch day of November 2004 minus the Dishonrable Kills now.Oh wait, there is the weather climate they have added.
WoW fixes old populated servers by adding new ones, this game needs a better back end system to support the frenzy.
And for as much money as this game makes, you would think they would have a CHARACTER TRANSFER system by now. I musta lost contact with hundreds of online friends since this game has over 1 gazillion servers now and the realm transfer are a joke.
Leveling is easy and predictable once you establish 3 level 60's, I got a total of 5 level 60's, now just parked and losing pvp faction. (hmm forced pvp ranks, if you dont play, you lose it. heh)
But all in all, I enjoyed my time with World of Warcraft and I believe I got my moneys worth.When the expansion hits, I will be back, till then, this game is parked in the abyss.
Tight lore.
Lack of Character Variety.
Some like lore, others hate it.
I personaly hate a way to deep lore, where you can almost tell what direction the story is going in.
The world is static, nothing you can do will change it. Is this a good thing? Well, you will certainly be able to know where stuff is, where to go, what to do.. It's always the same. No changes, no nothing.
WoW's talent system is very restricted, and offers very limited customisation due to only 51 talent points; 51 points, to make your character special. 51 points, to put in tree's(Which further reduce just how special you can become) that doesn't do much to your character at all.
Could it be the best MMORPG on the market? Maybe, if you asked every MMORPG and put up some statistic's. But it's a fact, WoW reached out to alot of virgin MMORPGers. Most of the people i've meet, playing WoW, have never tried another MMORPG.
WoW is a nice game, perfect for the mindless gamers that doesn't want to think that much, just being held hand in hand while playing.
But what about us, that req. a little bit more? Well, it's defently not the best, then.
Maybe it's because i've been PnP'ing and CRPGing for a long time, that i find WoW boring. I do not care what happens to my character. So what if i die? Loose a bit of time, thats about it.
Like (In no particular order):
1. What level of PvP do you prefer?
2. What consequences you like for PvP?
3. How fast should combat be?
4. Do you prefer twitch based or tactical fights?
5. How much do you value cosmetic character customisation?
6. Do you prefer skill or level based system?
7. Do you like having your own housing?
8. How much should the individual be able to achieve compared to a group of you?
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....blah blah
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315. How fast would you like your character turn?
316. How much do you want to be able to own a pet? How useful should it be?
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....blah blah
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1632. Does the game have cool dance emotes?
1633. Would you prefer more simple quests or less but more complex ones?
You get the idea! Personally I am more into old swg and UO way of doing things. Though I certainly appreciate WoW, it isnt best for me, but that I still enjoyed it for a short while which shows its calibre.
And since when did the opinion of trolls ever count for anything?
Alright, im not going to cut and paste quotations cause i think thats gay, but i will try to respond to some of the differences of opinions listed here seeing as it was my post and i stand by it.
1) Someone said the reason WoW fails is: Well first of all your premise is faulty, WoW has not failed, and it is widely considered the most successfull online game ever made, and more recently, the most successfull video game ever made period. If you don't like it thats fine, but it is by no means a failure. If it is, then every other game is as well.
2) A patch a month??? No other game in the genre promises or delivers a patch a month, and considering the sheer volume of patch 1.10, i think they delivered pretty well. You might not think that revamping the priest talent line, or adding weather, or adding new quests that dont directly affect you, or fixing bugs, or adding TWO new complete sets of high lvl armor for casual players, or changing the highest lvl dungeons to better reflect casual play, or better reward casual item advancement, or adding a new line of items for ranged spots is anything more than superfluous (sp?)...but i think its a pretty hefty patch. It would be easy for them to set back and just wait for xpansion but they are actively advancing the game and adding new free content nonetheless just months before the xpac hits stores.
3) CoH/CoV better? Are you serious? I suppose we could argue your opinion vs. mine all day and that would be a great debate, but lets deal with some facts. I played CoV for awhile, and while i agree its a nice little niche game, its forums are as plagued with complaints of its arcadiness and repetitive game play as this one. CoV is basically a clone of CoH wrapped in a different package, where being a villian is mysetiously exactly like BEING A HERO?? I have heard that new content promises to make villains more villian like, but all that aside, they get as many complaints as wow seems too and 1/10th the player base. The reason they are able to offer so many customizable looks, which i will agree is their best feature and probably the reason i stuck around for 4 weeks instead of just 2, is because they are not an item based game. They use a customizeable power system instead, so really they thought of a creative way to give you less than more. Now instead of 12 pieces of worn equipment you can wear, you now basically have 2 skills that you will use constantly, pausing only to upgrade them with dmg tokens. Oh and btw, theres only one way to do it or you are underpowered in Pvp.
4) EQ better than WoW? Hell, i played EQ for 4 years. I freakin loved it. But so did the developers of wow. There were alot of problems with EQ, mainly cause it was a groundbreaker. WoW owes its creation to EQ and in that respect it pays homage, but WoW has all the polish that EQ was lacking, well more so than EQ 2, and thats why more veteran EQ players are playing WoW than the second Everquest. EQ was great, but WoW has the benefit of being the next generation, just like the WoW killer will be able to clean up WoW's flaws.
5)Ques, Bad CService, Technical Issues...These are all traced back to the same problem, a problem that every other MMORPG *WISHES* they had, thats too many subscribers. When WoW was created, their best most hopefull estimates for subscribers were around 500k to 800k. This was assuming they were a success and were able to steal people from the existing games on the market like EQ, AO, Diablo, and DAOC. Fast forward to now, and noone could have ever predicted the success they have enjoyed. 5million subscribers and growing, and roughly 2 million of those are in the U.S. alone. If you want to play a game without these problems then by all means, go to one of WoW's crappy competitors because they have NO PROBLEM with being too crowded. Even so, WoW just opened 4 new servers and has continued to open servers non stop since release to try to handle the influx of subs.
6) WoW is full of 12 year old kids. OK, i have to dissagree, and agree with you here. There are in fact alot of kids in wow. But again, there are alot of kids in every game. The difference is, when you have 6-10x the population of every other game, you will have 6-10x the population of every demographic therein. So yes, there are more 12 year olds than EQ 2, but there also more 40 year olds, and more 20 year olds, and more asian blind women. I'm even willing to bet there are more paraplegics with eating disorders. If you are incapable of ignoring children in WoW, with all the devices meant to help you do so, than you aren't going to be able to avoid them anywhere else, including real life. Get over yourself already, the kids are here to stay, and they have just as much reason to complain about the curmudgeony old folks playing as u do to complain about them.
In conclusion, and to make the point i started off to make. WoW is currently the best online rpg on the market. If it has any flaws, it is flaws that every game in the industry shares. If you dont want to grind. If you don't like to farm rep, if you get frustrated being beat in PvP cause your gear isnt what you want it to be... then play a freaking single player game.
-Echo
Another person that likes the game que..
*sigh*
No excuse for this company that makes this much money, come up with a better plan cause the
current one sucks..
"another person that likes the que"
Where do you get that in anything i wrote? Do you just skim paragraphs and pick out a word or two then start framing your own post? I hate ques, who in their right mind wouldnt?? I don't like driving through traffic either on my way to work, but i understand that its part of living in a busy city.
You believe that blizzard is making alot of money, so they should invest in super servers that hold more people. I'll even agree with you on that point, but this would not make ques dissapear. If servers hold 2000 now, they go on ques the minute they hit 2001, and if they hold 8000 people, then two months later they will go on a que the minute they hit 8001..Its just common sense man. Freeways get bigger and bigger but eventually there is more traffic. Think it through please. The reason The Matrix Online has no ques is because they have roughly 90k subscribers and are not growing at all. I've never played that game so i won't say it is good or sucks, but it is quite obviously not the game of choice among gamers. The solution you propose is the "infinite server theorem" by which a server holds as many people as it takes to make sure you never see a que. I'm sure the game developing community will be eagerly awaiting your design considering IT DOESNT EXIST!
I am a person of few words..
1st.. off, seems liked i pissed you off, not my problem.
2nd.. off I havent even touched matrix for some time now, I am just too damn lazy to fix my xfire sig.
3rd.. whatever you just say man, cuz apparently you cant just get to the point in your message.
4th.. blizz got the bucks, go make a better server and apparently you dont understand what I mean by
infrastructure.
now go quote my numerals..
...im actually just sitting here staring at my screen wondering how its possible that someone as clueless and moronic as you is able to turn on your computer and log into this web site....
few words, fewer thoughts, ill respond in kind...
1st.. off, im not pissed, and its not your problem, im frustrated, but such is the case when you debate openly on a web page.
2nd.. ok, you dont play matrix, but you spent some time there, where is this mysterious game you go to with the magical servers?
3rd I honestly can't imagine that i could make my message any clearer. Was is the coherency of it all that confused you? I wish i had a big red box with blinking neon letters that said "POINT POINT POINT" but sadly this forum doesnt offer training wheels function. So, ill remake it for you and make sure it stands out.
LOTS OF SUBS=BUSY SERVERS=QUES
4) you dont have to understand infrastructure, profit, economy, hell you barely have to speak english. If a sponge can only hold one gallon of water, then its not going to hold any more water than one gallon. You can go get a bigger sponge, but when that sponge hits its limit its not going to hold any more water either...
Oh, and btw, I'm glad i inspired you to get off your lazy ass and remove the xfire box. Too bad I can't inspire you to read a whole post before you comment on it.
LOL echorox
Whats your Que # now? And just like clockwork, you posted on my numbers, ahh..
I am glad I got under your skin..
All I understood from you is blah blah blah.. Get to the point in your senseless rambling, cause now you got me rambling with you.
Using big words and insulting seems what your best at and dont worry, I can go on as much as you.
..Turning on the computer.. LOL good one.. try better next time..
And have you gotten past your Que yet, cause your trolling like me on this post.
*edited* for your eyes only..
Your about as far under my skin as my underwear. I play on a server that rarely has a que, although i have been known to visit friends on servers with a que as high as 200. You understand blah blah blah because you tend to stop reading after the first 10 letters or so.
I troll these posts frequently, especially when i start the post in question, and i don't just read here, i visit about 10 different game forums. You may have mistaken my ability to write as "using big words," but i guarrantee you that I hardly require large words to get across my points. In fact, i think my average word size is right around 6 letters.
I am an arguer by nature, and believe it or not, i don't hold your idiocy against you. You hate WoW. That's pretty clear, i've read other posts by you and you make that painfully obvious. WoW is not for everyone. But I am pretty sure that the reasons you don't like wow, are the same reason you don't like any online roleplaying game, which basically proves the original point i was trying to make way way back at the very beginning of this. Sadly, you will never make it this far in my post. In fact, I assume you started typing your own response the minute your eyes hit "underwear."
So, good luck to you...
Scroll up to my first message, I never said I hated wow. And you talk about me not reading posts.
So you ASSUME I hate wow. LOL
Ever try anger management classes? And yes, whatever you just said, in that last message I just skimmed over cause your rambling again.
You see I got selective hearing or in better terms. I can't pay attention to people that just can't get to the point like you. Especially when you start sounding like a tool.
Well, guess we can't be friends now.
Anyone for Street Fighter?
Currently Playing: AO and FE.
Now bewicked, don't go and hijack this thread with Street Fighter
However that game was a big trend setter in the days and also a good one!
*things in asterix are my comments*