Originally posted by admriker444 You all have a misconception of how purchasing of money is RV works. There are limits folks. A player cant just buy their way to the top like you all think. There are limits each month to how much one can buy. Perhaps if you all read the FAQ instead if being so quick to comment on something you know little about would help ???
I did read the FAQ. Then I had to read farther.
For example, we can adjust the difficulty associated to earning currency in-game to make sure that the majority of players need only make a modest purchase of Sesterces in order to supplement their in-game income and maximise their enjoyment of the service. Of course there will be those who choose the harder route of paying less, if anything and these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress. And at the other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets.
So, it appears that while I'm "these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress", groups of rabbid PKers can "other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets."
Ok let's be honest. Game looks like shit. No doubt about it. I know that "looks" are relative thing but only if you spend last 20 years in jail without access to any outside world you could say that the graphics kicks ass.
But ok. It's not all about the looks... But now I finde out that devs will be selling in-game gold for money? And they got balls to say "most realistic economy"... I hope they rot in hell... On a cross.
Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
Take a step back and look at it from their perspective. There ARE companies that already SELL money and in game items for cash. Many games economies have been ruined by this. The effects of companies like IGE have been devastating on games. Reason? You can't regulate IGE.
Redbedlam, on the other hand is offering you a free subscription game, and implementing a similar system like IGE. But they CAN regulate the cashflow. I think its an ingenious idea and will hurt companies like IGE that make money from other people products. There people out there that BUY credits or whatever, why not buy it from the actual game company which goes to support the game you are playing?
Sure some might buy alot and become rich, but hey thats alot of money that just went to help the servers, and you can laugh at that person for spending money on pixels. And you can also just kill them and take their money...
When we launch the game you'll be able to either download the client or purchase the full retail box. From then on it's free to play.
24: Umm, so how are you going to pay for the development, maintenance of the servers and bandwidth?
After the game's release, RedBedlam will introduce its revolutionary alternative revenue model in order to pay for the on-going development of the virtual world and maintenance of the servers. Added in-game services and features will be made available at that time in return for donations. "
That reads to me that it is more than just in game currency that is being traded; will you be offering things like power levelling and items or is it expansions/extra content that is being referred to?
Originally posted by Amaranthar Originally posted by admriker444 You all have a misconception of how purchasing of money is RV works. There are limits folks. A player cant just buy their way to the top like you all think. There are limits each month to how much one can buy. Perhaps if you all read the FAQ instead if being so quick to comment on something you know little about would help ???
I did read the FAQ. Then I had to read farther.
For example, we can adjust the difficulty associated to earning currency in-game to make sure that the majority of players need only make a modest purchase of Sesterces in order to supplement their in-game income and maximise their enjoyment of the service. Of course there will be those who choose the harder route of paying less, if anything and these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress. And at the other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets.
So, it appears that while I'm "these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress", groups of rabbid PKers can "other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets."
No thanks.
Those rabid pkers will always buy gold, credits, items, etc What difference does it make if its from ebay, ign, some chinese farming company, or Redbedlam ?
And we benefit by having no monthly fee. The money I have bought in-game (beta) still ends up far less than a $15 monthly fee.
I can understand a moral objection to developers like SOE who plan on selling items, dungeons, added content, characters, etc. This smacks of cheating, but what redbedlam is doing is not even close to as bad. Especially when its something that already happens in every single MMO.
If you object to playing this MMO, you might want to cancel every other MMO account as well. If you think that lvl 45 rogue got his epic BOE gear by getting lucky your kidding yourself.
Originally posted by admriker444 If you object to playing this MMO, you might want to cancel every other MMO account as well. If you think that lvl 45 rogue got his epic BOE gear by getting lucky your kidding yourself.
Being able to buy in-game items/equip/money with real life cash in an open PvP envoirnment is probably the dumbest idea ever.
Whoever spends the most money wins. Ya, that's awesome.
I mean it's great for the Devs and the investors. PKers running around ganking people, taking their stuff. The poor gankees having to go buy more equip. It's a vicious cycle for anyone dumb enough to get sucked into it...but a goldmine for the game's creators.
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It's only dumb for those that don't understand it. You cannot buy your way to the top. No matter how much money you buy, you will still only be able to buy the regular craftable items that are within the game. So buying lots of money only means that you will have a lot of the same gear that everyone else has. Buying more money than you need would be a complete waste. The only benefit to buying the money is that it will save you time. This game is not like the other MMOGs that you are used to. The only MMO that you can compare it to is the original Ultima Online. If you played Ultima Online then you will know that most only used the crafted GM gear and weapons because magic weapons were very rare. Well Roma Victor has no magic weapons. Keep in mind this game is historically authentic! Its like no other MMOGs you are used to playing. Having lots of gold in Ultima Online only meant that you could have lots of sets of armor and weapons, but you still could only use one at a time and they were no better than everyone elses. Having extra armor or gear does not make you more powerful than another player, it only means that you can play longer without having to work or trade within the game.
The flip side, is that if you are really good at MMOGs or have lots of time to play this game, then you are rewarded by getting to play for FREE. Or, if you are somewhere inbetween, then you might only end up paying about $5 per month. Further, if you want to take a break from the game, your account remains active and you don't have to pay a subscription fee. The amount that you pay is flexible with the amount of time that you want to spend playing.
A few of you are missing the point and a lot of it all started from some unqualified ignorant forum posters misrepresenting that you can only get gold by buying it and that you could buy your way to the top.
Name a single other MMO that has currency that you cannot buy.
The benefit here is the the developers will be able to control the economy and currency, much like the Federal Reserve does in US government.
In all the other MMOs, most the currency that you buy only further supports the destruction of the game that you are buying it for. This is because most of it comes from cheaters - those that are scripting or macroing and care more about the money they are making than the game overall.
In Roma Victor, just having money does not make make you powerful. This is because there are no super powerful weapons, armor or magical gear to give one player an advantage over another. All of the armor, weapons and gear and most everyhing in the world is craftable, from houses and buildings to spears, the game has a major focus on crafting and the economy.
So if you buy a lot of money, well then, you can buy a lot of craftable swords, but that will not make you any more powerful than the next player that created his sword himself or traded for it with another player. You can only use one sword at a time. When all the gear is realistic, craftable and not overpowering, having more currency only means that you don't have to work in game as much. When you lose your sword you will have more in reserve.
For those that don't get it, its probably best anyway. These are not the type of players I want to see playing Roma Victor, filling the forums with their complaints. I want to be playing the game with insightful, intelligent people not those that form judgements without all the facts or an understanding of things. Players like that are responsible for ruining MMOGs not building them.
I will do well with whatever funds I am giving and I got no beef with Redbedlam selling sesterces in game. They have put alot of new stuff on the table and I am gonna give them a chance buy getting Roma Victor upon release.
"If you object to playing this MMO, you might want to cancel every other MMO account as well. If you think that lvl 45 rogue got his epic BOE gear by getting lucky your kidding yourself."
Very true
Newsflash for the bashers that don't even read about the game... You just got pwned buy a fat kid that got all his gear in Ebay. There you go, how do you fell now?
btw, there's no limit of how much you can buy in Ebay... different of RV
To be honest I also would prefer a monthly fee but the way the Devs are saying, it will be the same thing in the end. You can pay $15 month or buy $15 ingame cash a month.
Good luck to Redbedlam if they think they can police eBay when other companies have failed. A similar mmog with an almost identical model, Second Life, has farmers galore and undercut.
"For those that don't get it, its probably best anyway. These are not the type of players I want to see playing Roma Victor, filling the forums with their complaints. I want to be playing the game with insightful, intelligent people not those that form judgements without all the facts or an understanding of things. Players like that are responsible for ruining MMOGs not building them."
Nice to know Public Relations isn't dead, did you used to work for SoE by any chance?
Does Second Life have open PvP and full looting allowing even the most novice players the ability to shut down any unattended macros running within their game, thus making them ineffective?
Roma Victor is not trying to satisfy everyone, they are focusing on creating a virtual world and the market that would enjoy such a game and that's a good thing.
When you try to be all things for everyone, the result is that you are hardly anything for anyone.
Originally posted by Xenduli Well according to the FAQ "23: Is the game really going to be free to play? When we launch the game you'll be able to either download the client or purchase the full retail box. From then on it's free to play. 24: Umm, so how are you going to pay for the development, maintenance of the servers and bandwidth? After the game's release, RedBedlam will introduce its revolutionary alternative revenue model in order to pay for the on-going development of the virtual world and maintenance of the servers. Added in-game services and features will be made available at that time in return for donations. " That reads to me that it is more than just in game currency that is being traded; will you be offering things like power levelling and items or is it expansions/extra content that is being referred to?
The FAQ is from 2001 and extremely outdated, so it's a bit unlikely that what you mention will happen. If there would be extra features for those who donate, I can say with 99,99% certainty that powerleveling and things like that will not happen. Expansions however are very possible, where ship...-stuff... and geographic expansions is mentioned as the most likely.
Originally posted by sempiternal Roma Victor is not trying to satisfy everyone, they are focusing on creating a virtual world and the market that would enjoy such a game and that's a good thing. When you try to be all things for everyone, the result is that you are hardly anything for anyone.
Niche game at best. If subscriber numbers similar to Second Life and Project Entropia are considered good in the Redbedlam offices....well, I fell sorry for you. Not trying to please everyone is what is wrong with MMO's right now. These craptastic niche games that Joe Nobody is cranking out are doing nothing but saturating the market with crap. I guess Roma Victor is the Big Game Hunter of MMO's.
My 2 cents, don't bother listening to Jorev (ever) he's just a troll that likes to tell lies.
Secondly, a lot of posts on here are just garbage, you don't *have* to spend money to get in-game currency which a large % of testers can tell you - you can play for free and *earn* sesterces in-game.
And why are so many trying to bash an innovative, community led and independent game - do you like manufactured boy bands for your music as well?
I'm coming onto the graphics in the other thread.....
The Pre-Order Keys that allow you into the Commercial Test are not all sold out, just the ones at the Roma Victor website. There is still a retailer in Germany that has a limited amount of Keys www.mmorg-shop.com, but they only accept International Money orders or bank transfers from the US. So probably people in Germany or Europe will end up getting those ones.
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lol too true.
RV proves one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt. If your game isn't generating enough hype, just string some PKer up on a cross.
I may check this game out a few months after release and see how it plays...
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I did read the FAQ. Then I had to read farther.
For example, we can adjust the difficulty associated to earning currency in-game to make sure that the majority of players need only make a modest purchase of Sesterces in order to supplement their in-game income and maximise their enjoyment of the service. Of course there will be those who choose the harder route of paying less, if anything and these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress. And at the other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets.
So, it appears that while I'm "these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress", groups of rabbid PKers can "other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets."
No thanks.
Once upon a time....
Ok let's be honest. Game looks like shit. No doubt about it. I know that "looks" are relative thing but only if you spend last 20 years in jail without access to any outside world you could say that the graphics kicks ass.
But ok. It's not all about the looks... But now I finde out that devs will be selling in-game gold for money? And they got balls to say "most realistic economy"... I hope they rot in hell... On a cross.
Take a step back and look at it from their perspective. There ARE companies that already SELL money and in game items for cash. Many games economies have been ruined by this. The effects of companies like IGE have been devastating on games. Reason? You can't regulate IGE.
Redbedlam, on the other hand is offering you a free subscription game, and implementing a similar system like IGE. But they CAN regulate the cashflow. I think its an ingenious idea and will hurt companies like IGE that make money from other people products. There people out there that BUY credits or whatever, why not buy it from the actual game company which goes to support the game you are playing?
Sure some might buy alot and become rich, but hey thats alot of money that just went to help the servers, and you can laugh at that person for spending money on pixels. And you can also just kill them and take their money...
Well according to the FAQ
"23: Is the game really going to be free to play?
When we launch the game you'll be able to either download the client or purchase the full retail box. From then on it's free to play.
24: Umm, so how are you going to pay for the development, maintenance of the servers and bandwidth?
After the game's release, RedBedlam will introduce its revolutionary alternative revenue model in order to pay for the on-going development of the virtual world and maintenance of the servers. Added in-game services and features will be made available at that time in return for donations. "
That reads to me that it is more than just in game currency that is being traded; will you be offering things like power levelling and items or is it expansions/extra content that is being referred to?
No annoying animated GIF here!
I did read the FAQ. Then I had to read farther.
For example, we can adjust the difficulty associated to earning currency in-game to make sure that the majority of players need only make a modest purchase of Sesterces in order to supplement their in-game income and maximise their enjoyment of the service. Of course there will be those who choose the harder route of paying less, if anything and these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress. And at the other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets.
So, it appears that while I'm "these players will have to work hard in the game in order to continue to survive and progress", groups of rabbid PKers can "other end of the spectrum there will be those that spend much more when purchasing Sesterces so that they can buy extravagant properties, hire many NPC's and benefit from all the most expensive items and in-game services without necessarily having to spend days and weeks accruing these virtual assets."
No thanks.
Those rabid pkers will always buy gold, credits, items, etc What difference does it make if its from ebay, ign, some chinese farming company, or Redbedlam ?
And we benefit by having no monthly fee. The money I have bought in-game (beta) still ends up far less than a $15 monthly fee.
I can understand a moral objection to developers like SOE who plan on selling items, dungeons, added content, characters, etc. This smacks of cheating, but what redbedlam is doing is not even close to as bad. Especially when its something that already happens in every single MMO.
If you object to playing this MMO, you might want to cancel every other MMO account as well. If you think that lvl 45 rogue got his epic BOE gear by getting lucky your kidding yourself.
Not everyone cheats you know.
No annoying animated GIF here!
Being able to buy in-game items/equip/money with real life cash in an open PvP envoirnment is probably the dumbest idea ever.
Whoever spends the most money wins. Ya, that's awesome.
I mean it's great for the Devs and the investors. PKers running around ganking people, taking their stuff. The poor gankees having to go buy more equip. It's a vicious cycle for anyone dumb enough to get sucked into it...but a goldmine for the game's creators.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
It's only dumb for those that don't understand it. You cannot buy your way to the top. No matter how much money you buy, you will still only be able to buy the regular craftable items that are within the game. So buying lots of money only means that you will have a lot of the same gear that everyone else has. Buying more money than you need would be a complete waste. The only benefit to buying the money is that it will save you time. This game is not like the other MMOGs that you are used to. The only MMO that you can compare it to is the original Ultima Online. If you played Ultima Online then you will know that most only used the crafted GM gear and weapons because magic weapons were very rare. Well Roma Victor has no magic weapons. Keep in mind this game is historically authentic! Its like no other MMOGs you are used to playing. Having lots of gold in Ultima Online only meant that you could have lots of sets of armor and weapons, but you still could only use one at a time and they were no better than everyone elses. Having extra armor or gear does not make you more powerful than another player, it only means that you can play longer without having to work or trade within the game.
The flip side, is that if you are really good at MMOGs or have lots of time to play this game, then you are rewarded by getting to play for FREE. Or, if you are somewhere inbetween, then you might only end up paying about $5 per month. Further, if you want to take a break from the game, your account remains active and you don't have to pay a subscription fee. The amount that you pay is flexible with the amount of time that you want to spend playing.
A few of you are missing the point and a lot of it all started from some unqualified ignorant forum posters misrepresenting that you can only get gold by buying it and that you could buy your way to the top.
Name a single other MMO that has currency that you cannot buy.
The benefit here is the the developers will be able to control the economy and currency, much like the Federal Reserve does in US government.
In all the other MMOs, most the currency that you buy only further supports the destruction of the game that you are buying it for. This is because most of it comes from cheaters - those that are scripting or macroing and care more about the money they are making than the game overall.
In Roma Victor, just having money does not make make you powerful. This is because there are no super powerful weapons, armor or magical gear to give one player an advantage over another. All of the armor, weapons and gear and most everyhing in the world is craftable, from houses and buildings to spears, the game has a major focus on crafting and the economy.
So if you buy a lot of money, well then, you can buy a lot of craftable swords, but that will not make you any more powerful than the next player that created his sword himself or traded for it with another player. You can only use one sword at a time. When all the gear is realistic, craftable and not overpowering, having more currency only means that you don't have to work in game as much. When you lose your sword you will have more in reserve.
For those that don't get it, its probably best anyway. These are not the type of players I want to see playing Roma Victor, filling the forums with their complaints. I want to be playing the game with insightful, intelligent people not those that form judgements without all the facts or an understanding of things. Players like that are responsible for ruining MMOGs not building them.
Interesting that nobody commented on the fact that I reversed the order of the game's name in the title.
{(RIP)} SWG
"If you object to playing this MMO, you might want to cancel every other MMO account as well. If you think that lvl 45 rogue got his epic BOE gear by getting lucky your kidding yourself."
Very true
Newsflash for the bashers that don't even read about the game... You just got pwned buy a fat kid that got all his gear in Ebay. There you go, how do you fell now?
btw, there's no limit of how much you can buy in Ebay... different of RV
To be honest I also would prefer a monthly fee but the way the Devs are saying, it will be the same thing in the end. You can pay $15 month or buy $15 ingame cash a month.
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Good luck to Redbedlam if they think they can police eBay when other companies have failed. A similar mmog with an almost identical model, Second Life, has farmers galore and undercut.
"For those that don't get it, its probably best anyway. These are not the type of players I want to see playing Roma Victor, filling the forums with their complaints. I want to be playing the game with insightful, intelligent people not those that form judgements without all the facts or an understanding of things. Players like that are responsible for ruining MMOGs not building them."
Nice to know Public Relations isn't dead, did you used to work for SoE by any chance?
No annoying animated GIF here!
Does Second Life have open PvP and full looting allowing even the most novice players the ability to shut down any unattended macros running within their game, thus making them ineffective?
Roma Victor is not trying to satisfy everyone, they are focusing on creating a virtual world and the market that would enjoy such a game and that's a good thing.
When you try to be all things for everyone, the result is that you are hardly anything for anyone.
to xenduli:
"Nice to know Public Relations isn't dead, did you used to work for SoE by any chance?"
what do you mean? For what I know no one here work for RB.
*Guga was here
WWIIOnline
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Niche game at best. If subscriber numbers similar to Second Life and Project Entropia are considered good in the Redbedlam offices....well, I fell sorry for you. Not trying to please everyone is what is wrong with MMO's right now. These craptastic niche games that Joe Nobody is cranking out are doing nothing but saturating the market with crap. I guess Roma Victor is the Big Game Hunter of MMO's.
Secondly, a lot of posts on here are just garbage, you don't *have* to spend money to get in-game currency which a large % of testers can tell you - you can play for free and *earn* sesterces in-game.
And why are so many trying to bash an innovative, community led and independent game - do you like manufactured boy bands for your music as well?
I'm coming onto the graphics in the other thread.....
The Pre-Order Keys that allow you into the Commercial Test are not all sold out, just the ones at the Roma Victor website. There is still a retailer in Germany that has a limited amount of Keys www.mmorg-shop.com, but they only accept International Money orders or bank transfers from the US. So probably people in Germany or Europe will end up getting those ones.
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Yea it is hard, bcse even ten years old games have better graphics then Roma Victor
Graphics are superficial and can always be improved.