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Down with Americans, pitchforks and rent-a-mob on standby.

XenduliXenduli Member Posts: 654

Just kidding! Seriously whats going on? Can't all be because of Bush surely, is something more sinister happening?

No annoying animated GIF here!

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  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267
    Well it makes sense. If we have horrible foreign policy (we do), then it only makes sense that foreigners would hate us.

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  • NihilanthNihilanth Member Posts: 1,357

    Before you read what I'm about to say, know that I am a proud American citizen. I love my country, despite what reading below may make you believe. I just know that we are by absolutely no means perfect.

    I am also NOT trying to say that ALL Americans are like this, but too many are.

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    There's a lot of people around the world that hate Americans for a lot of different reasons. Bush has a lot to do with it I think, but that is most certainly not the only reason. Americans are fat, lazy, stressed-out, unappreciative, polluting, hypocritical, and we still have a LOT of social problems. I live in Memphis, Tennessee and I can still see racism towards African Americans on a DAILY BASIS. That's sad.

    Americans try to say we are the best at basically everything and that we are the greatest country in the world. While pride is good, too much can blind people's eyes from what is actually going on. Our education system is terrible compared to many countries around the world, including some that most Americans would consider "inferior" to ourselves. Much of that could be remedied with higher taxes, but that's another problem. Even though Americans have some of the LOWEST taxes in the world, we still think they are too high. If you ever go to Europe (as I have been privileged to do), just ask anyone about their taxes. They are insanely high by American standards, but look at what they get out of it. Many European countries have a lot of free stuff (like free health care and free COLLEGE. Can you imagine free college in America?), but they wouldn't have it if their taxes weren't as high.

    We also tend to stick our nose where it's not our business. If the American government would spend more time trying to fix it's own damn countries problems instead of fixing the rest of the world's, we would be a lot better off. We should NOT be the world police. It's not solely our job to make sure there's peace in the rest of the world, especially not when like I said there are so many problems right here at home. There's nothing wrong with lending aid to other countries, but you shouldn't go to war with one just to change their style of government without a little more approval from the rest of the world.

    Not to mention the US is a complete and total hypocrite. Not only do we have huge amounts of nuclear weapons still ready to be used at the push of a button, but we're the ONLY COUNTRY TO ACTUALLY EVER USE THEM IN WAR. Yet Americans seem to think we have divine right to tell other countries they aren't even allowed to building a fucking nuclear power plant.

    I could go on and on about things that bug me about this country, but I won't. I don't feel like typing any more.

    /rant off

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  • Nerf09Nerf09 Member CommonPosts: 2,953

    Ultra-free-trade and interventionism are currently being tested as theories, like Communism was tried as a theory and failed, and failed rather quickly in hindsight.

    For America, the old theory of Manifest Destiny worked excellently.  And that Doctrine is based on isolationism, backed up with righteous defensive wars. When someone attacks us, whether it be British, French, Natives, or Spanish, we fight back and annex their lands.  We dropped that Doctrine at the turn of the 20th century, and where did that get us?  Absolutely nowhere, were back at square one, were just about exactly where we were when we dropped the Doctrine of Manifest Destiny.

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    Yes Americans aren't that popular. But hating them is completely wrong. I don't agree with american politics, but I don't hate american citizens. If a american comes up to me I will great him/her friendly, and if the converstation comes to foreign politics I will tell him/her what I think about theirs. But I would never threat them bad, and I think the majority of us "non americans" wouldn't do that either. It's the minority that behaves so stupid. But you should atleast try to understand that people are frustrated. America largely igonores what the world says. That makes people frustrated.

    I think the overall view in the world on americans is "'a thick headed, right-wing, McDonald's loving, anti-Islamic, fundamentalist Christian, intolerant, homophobic idiot." Because thats what your foreign politics look like. And they give you a bad image. And with a image like that you can't expect people to greet you with open arms. To get rid of it you will have to prove them wrong Comments like "bloody Europe shouldn't say anything, they only exist because of us" doesn't help. Sadly many americans I have seen are like that It doesn't improve your image. I'm german and I have quite often had comments towards me because of my countries evil history. Something that happened lots of years before I was even born. It's just something you have to get over and prove them wrong. Show them that you aren't like that. You can still support Bush, it's not that what I mean. But support him without harrasing every muslim and the entire rest of the world.

    Quote from one of the comments in that link: "their citizens will increasingly take the backlash, even
    though many of them are against US foreign policy - just as many
    Muslims are against such atrocities as 9/11 and Bali."
    I have seen many comments from americans that call all Muslims terrorists, on this site too, quite often.
    It's kind of the same thing that happened to the people in this article.

    If you don't act like you own the world, talk bad about someone who believes in something else than the Bible, call everyone who doesn't agree with you a terrorist and proclaim that the entire outcome of WWII was done by you, you should be fine. And stop acting like you are better in everything is a start too I think the sentece "Threat people like you want them to threat you" fits this well.


  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267


    Originally posted by Gunblade


    Originally posted by AlexAmore
    Well it makes sense. If we have horrible foreign policy (we do), then it only makes sense that foreigners would hate us.

    Uh huh. Or it could be that people are dumb enough to relate every single citizen to everything bad about America.

    AlexAmore, so you must really hate every african right? I mean their policys really suck, I mean it would only make sense.

    Good article to share in class though, thanks bud!


    I think the above posts pretty much support my original post, but ill reply anyways.

    The whole world saw the Americans elect Bush...twice. So when Bush does something extremely stupid then it doesn't look good for us. Bush represents the American people. Unfortunately he can barely say nuclear but he feels he's the authority on the subject in this world.

    I'm not very knowledgeable on Africa and their policies. I know it's pretty messed up and basically militias rule a lot of the areas. You said policies, I said foreign policies, so i'm just talking about our relationship with everyone else in the world. Clearly it's bad, so all I did was offer a reason. 

    I don't hate Africans. I didn't say it was right for that woman to be hated. But if you look at America as a whole and look back at our recent history then it's not a surprise why the world hate us. It's not surprising people stereotype other people. If the average person goes into a nasty neighborhood and theirs a black man in a hoody and a white woman in a business suit. Who does the average person ask for directions? It's because people have pre-conceived notions from TV, movies, parents, friends and environment is why things are the way they are.

    So theirs a black man with a hoody on TV and you see him bust a cap in some gangster and you see this type of stuff on TV ALL the time. It just gets into your mind and wreaks havoc with what is reality. So now you think most blacks are pot smokin gangsters.

    Now you see the retarded president of the USA who even got re-elected starting a war with Iraq to conform with the USA's standards and you see this stuff on TV ALL the time. So it gets in your subconscious and wreaks havoc with what's reality. So now you see a US citizen in your country and what do you do? You hate him! It makes no sense and yet with how the brain works it does at the same time. People get brainwashed with TV, especially with big events like the war.

    I suggest doing some reading on "Groupthink" too. Then you will understand more why other countries hate us.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/groupthink

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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by Nihilanth

    Before you read what I'm about to say, know that I am a proud American citizen. I love my country, despite what reading below may make you believe. I just know that we are by absolutely no means perfect.
    I am also NOT trying to say that ALL Americans are like this, but too many are.
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    There's a lot of people around the world that hate Americans for a lot of different reasons. Bush has a lot to do with it I think, but that is most certainly not the only reason. Americans are fat, lazy, stressed-out, unappreciative, polluting, hypocritical, and we still have a LOT of social problems. I live in Memphis, Tennessee and I can still see racism towards African Americans on a DAILY BASIS. That's sad.
    Americans try to say we are the best at basically everything and that we are the greatest country in the world. While pride is good, too much can blind people's eyes from what is actually going on. Our education system is terrible compared to many countries around the world, including some that most Americans would consider "inferior" to ourselves. Much of that could be remedied with higher taxes, but that's another problem. Even though Americans have some of the LOWEST taxes in the world, we still think they are too high. If you ever go to Europe (as I have been privileged to do), just ask anyone about their taxes. They are insanely high by American standards, but look at what they get out of it. Many European countries have a lot of free stuff (like free health care and free COLLEGE. Can you imagine free college in America?), but they wouldn't have it if their taxes weren't as high.
    We also tend to stick our nose where it's not our business. If the American government would spend more time trying to fix it's own damn countries problems instead of fixing the rest of the world's, we would be a lot better off. We should NOT be the world police. It's not solely our job to make sure there's peace in the rest of the world, especially not when like I said there are so many problems right here at home. There's nothing wrong with lending aid to other countries, but you shouldn't go to war with one just to change their style of government without a little more approval from the rest of the world.
    Not to mention the US is a complete and total hypocrite. Not only do we have huge amounts of nuclear weapons still ready to be used at the push of a button, but we're the ONLY COUNTRY TO ACTUALLY EVER USE THEM IN WAR. Yet Americans seem to think we have divine right to tell other countries they aren't even allowed to building a fucking nuclear power plant.
    I could go on and on about things that bug me about this country, but I won't. I don't feel like typing any more.
    /rant off


    Agreed, on every part except the taxes. 

    I'm of the persuasion that if we scaled down the government, got them out of the education business altogether, and let the communities take care of that, then things would be a lot better.  I don't trust the federal government to take care of anything.  The only thing they're needed for in my opinion is to regulate trade and commerce and defend our borders.  Both of which they have proven lately to suck at too.  Other than that they need to leave us to being us and taking care of us.

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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I think the overall view in the world on americans is "
    'a thick headed, right-wing, McDonald's loving, anti-Islamic, fundamentalist Christian, intolerant, homophobic idiot." think the sentece "Threat people like you want them to threat you" fits this well.




    Sounds like the rest of the world has us pegged.  I can't argue with them.  So don't hate me.  I'm over here trying to change all that.

    Unfortunately, we have left the roots our founding fathers laid for us in exchange for a christian-conservative evangelical hate machine.  Referred to over here as "REDNECK"!

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  • XenduliXenduli Member Posts: 654

    I just find it the whole situation bizarre; America is supposed to be a country of freedom and yet if there is any dissent suddenly you're labelled a terrorist. What was the point of the US Patriot Act again?

    No annoying animated GIF here!

  • LeesusLeesus Member Posts: 183
    We live in a country where more people vote for a fucking American Idol then they do for the President. Goes to show how ignorant most Americans are.

  • honzolohonzolo Member Posts: 321
     Hehe, lefties and their hatred for themselves... it gets funnier and funnier every day.
  • NoraxeNoraxe Member Posts: 190
    50% of all Americans disagree with everthing.

    50% of  Americans are not what you expect them to be.


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  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173


    Originally posted by Leesus
    We live in a country where more people vote for a fucking American Idol then they do for the President. Goes to show how ignorant most Americans are.



    There's a reason for that.  Most people don't understand that you don't have to vote for either a Republican or a Democrat.  The majority of people in America can't relate to either one of those parties. 

    If another parties candidate got into the debates and was known to the general voters then they would get out and vote for him/her.  Look at how many people voted for Ross Perot.  He really stirred things up.  Then after that election the debate commission (run by the Dems and Republicans) made it tougher for a candidate to be eligible to participate in the pre-election debates. 
  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830


    Originally posted by honzolo
     Hehe, lefties and their hatred for themselves... it gets funnier and funnier every day.

    Actually the argument by everyone here is focused on quote

    "christian-conservative evangelical hate machine"

    from a previous poster. Nothing in there is about self hate of lefties. Obviously reading comprehension is not your strongsuit.

  • honzolohonzolo Member Posts: 321
     Oh, no doubt... lefites hate the 'CCEHM' as you put it. But fundamentally they hate themselves. Then they express that through dislike for their country. It makes them feel better about themselves, miserable wretches that they are. They hate religion, their country, and any form of authority. And when they are out of power, that's when they really go nuts. Amusing to watch... it really is.
  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830


    Originally posted by honzolo
     Oh, no doubt... lefites hate the 'CCEHM' as you put it. But fundamentally they hate themselves. Then they express that through dislike for their country. It makes them feel better about themselves, miserable wretches that they are. They hate religion, their country, and any form of authority. And when they are out of power, that's when they really go nuts. Amusing to watch... it really is. image

    Guess you need to believe in delusions to detach yourself from the realities of the world. Must suck when you wake up every day and people dont live in your goosestepping paradise. Throwing homosexuals in jails, kicking all the darkies out of the country and then you all can sit around in a circle and pat yourselves on your backs telling each other what good christians you are.

  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830


    Originally posted by jdun1
    As a nation we can do whatever we like. Nation
    building is not a high school popular contest. Nation building is about
    survival. I honestly don’t give a damn about what other people think of America.
    These people should worry about there own country. God forbid they have a
    perfect society.

    Agreed, but one of the laws that newton discovered was that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you choose to act like a beliggerent petulent selfish child then you will be treated as such. Unfortunently when you are treated that way, your message and your own perogatives will get lost.

    Instead you get bogged down fighting battles that never needed to be battles, creating conflict when cooperation would have been beneficial for all.
    You get more with honey than with vinegar. Now at times vinegar is needed, but if thats all your offering then expect nothing but vinegar in return and who benefits from that except the Brits who use it for fish and chips?

  • honzolohonzolo Member Posts: 321

     LOL, what in the world are you talking about? Homosexuals thrown in jails? Kicking 'darkies' out? Hmmm, methinks you could use a little focus on reading comprehension as well, as I never once mentioned any of that. Hehe.

     You don't know me... if you did you would know I am no part of the far right. If you knew me you would know that I am for a guest worker program for our Latin American friends. I speak spanish and know many 'darkies', as you put it. I however don't seem to have the disdain for them that you do. They are good people who are just trying to make a living, and we need them here as much as they need us. I do not agree with an amnesty program, but they definitely need to be given the opportunity to come here and work legally, out of the shadows.

     You can live in your own narrow minded hate filled world that you have crafted for yourself, but I will have none of that. You lefties are every bit as hateful as those on the extreme right, and quite clearly just as brainwashed. Face it, you leftists are dinosaurs... you are out of power. You no longer win elections, and have to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories to justify why that is. And I am enjoying every single solitary minute of it... LOL

  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830

    Originally posted by honzolo
     LOL, what in the world are you talking about? Homosexuals thrown in jails? Kicking 'darkies' out? Hmmm, methinks you could use a little focus on reading comprehension as well, as I never once mentioned any of that. Hehe.

    I just saved you the trouble as im sure you were getting to it, of course now your trying to portray yourself as some kind of moderate to try to prove some point, but we both know differently.

     You don't know me... if you did you would know I am no part of the far right. If you knew me you would know that I am for a guest worker program for our Latin American friends. I speak spanish and know many 'darkies', as you put it. I however don't seem to have the disdain for them that you do. They are good people who are just trying to make a living, and we need them here as much as they need us. I do not agree with an amnesty program, but they definitely need to be given the opportunity to come here and work legally, out of the shadows.
     
    You can live in your own narrow minded hate filled world that you have crafted for yourself, but I will have none of that.

    Quote: From your first post.
    Hehe, lefties and their hatred for themselves... it gets funnier and funnier every day.

    Considering your first post, was in noway constructive, just a troll and flame attacking people, and you have the odacity to speak of hate? Guess you would know what your talking about since you seem well versed in that language.

    You lefties are every bit as hateful as those on the extreme right, and quite clearly just as brainwashed. Face it, you leftists are dinosaurs... you are out of power. You no longer win elections, and have to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories to justify why that is. And I am enjoying every single solitary minute of it... LOL

    As for the rest of your post, full of delusions, and bitterness like this from another of your post.

    Quote: It makes them feel better about themselves, miserable wretches

    The one thats full of hatred is you, unfortunently such insight is probably beyond your capability of comprehension so the burden falls on others to assist you in pointing it out.

    As far as my disdain for darkies as you say, that makes alot of sense, yeah im this liberal leftist that hates people of different ethnicity. Its an antithesis, you do know what that word means right? Its called a contradiction, in your rush to attack me for being a bigot you've lost all sense of your argument and common sense.

  • Nerf09Nerf09 Member CommonPosts: 2,953


    Originally posted by Scorpes


    Originally posted by honzolo
     Hehe, lefties and their hatred for themselves... it gets funnier and funnier every day.

    Actually the argument by everyone here is focused on quote

    "christian-conservative evangelical hate machine"

    from a previous poster. Nothing in there is about self hate of lefties. Obviously reading comprehension is not your strongsuit.


    And Democrats want to replace the 10 commandments with the 10 genders. 

    1)  Male

    2)  Female

    3)  Ladyboy

    4)  Shemale

    5)  Berdache

    6)  Amazon

    7)  kathoey

    8)  hijra

    9)  Mukhannathun

    10)  Muxe

  • Nerf09Nerf09 Member CommonPosts: 2,953


    Originally posted by honzolo

     LOL, what in the world are you talking about? Homosexuals thrown in jails? Kicking 'darkies' out? Hmmm, methinks you could use a little focus on reading comprehension as well, as I never once mentioned any of that. Hehe.

     You don't know me... if you did you would know I am no part of the far right. If you knew me you would know that I am for a guest worker program for our Latin American friends. I speak spanish and know many 'darkies', as you put it. I however don't seem to have the disdain for them that you do. They are good people who are just trying to make a living, and we need them here as much as they need us. I do not agree with an amnesty program, but they definitely need to be given the opportunity to come here and work legally, out of the shadows.
     You can live in your own narrow minded hate filled world that you have crafted for yourself, but I will have none of that. You lefties are every bit as hateful as those on the extreme right, and quite clearly just as brainwashed. Face it, you leftists are dinosaurs... you are out of power. You no longer win elections, and have to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories to justify why that is. And I am enjoying every single solitary minute of it... LOL



    Dont get bent out of shape.  The Socialist parties of the world all agree on one founding principle:  Their absolute hatred, and envy, of those who earn money then they do. 

    If this basic socialist principle also includes hating whites who to earn a little more money on average then darkies, then they therefore hate the whites.  If this basic socialist principle also includes hating Christians, countries populated by a majority of Christians tends to be way more prosperous then any other religion on the planet, then therefore they hate Christians.


    Recognize it for what it is, hatred and envy of the rich.  That is all they are, dont get bent out of shape, they arent worth anything but a witty comeback.

  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830

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    Originally posted by Nerf09


    And Democrats want to replace the 10 commandments with the 10 genders.

    1) Male
    2) Female
    3) Ladyboy
    4) Shemale
    5) Berdache
    6) Amazon
    7) kathoey
    8) hijra
    9) Mukhannathun
    10) Muxe

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    More "the sky is falling" mentality

    "oh no, they dont want to partake in our persecution of gays!!! the horror!!!! i got it, lets just try to scare the beejezus out of everyone and say democrats are trying to destroy the world"


    I'm actually a John Mccain republican, you know, the type the republican party use to be lead by. People of vision, of integrity, tolerance of others. The good ole days.

  • Nerf09Nerf09 Member CommonPosts: 2,953


    Originally posted by Scorpes


    Originally posted by Nerf09

    Originally posted by Scorpes

    Originally posted by honzolo Hehe, lefties and their hatred for themselves... it gets funnier and funnier every day.

    Actually the argument by everyone here is focused on quote
    "christian-conservative evangelical hate machine"
    from a previous poster. Nothing in there is about self hate of lefties. Obviously reading comprehension is not your strongsuit.
    And Democrats want to replace the 10 commandments with the 10 genders. 
    1)  Male
    2)  Female
    3)  Ladyboy
    4)  Shemale
    5)  Berdache
    6)  Amazon
    7)  kathoey
    8)  hijra
    9)  Mukhannathun
    10)  Muxe

    More "the sky is falling" mentality

    "oh no, they dont want to partake in our persecution of gays!!! the horror!!!! i got it, lets just try to scare the beejezus out of everyone and say democrats are trying to destroy the world"


    Or the Democrats want to replace the 10 commandments with the 10 recreational drugs:

    1)  Niccotine

    2)  Alcohol

    3)  Marijuanna

    4)  Morphine

    5)  Heroin

    6)  Cocaine

    7)  Hallucinagins

    8)  Viagra

    9)  Meth

    10)  Ritalin

  • Nerf09Nerf09 Member CommonPosts: 2,953


    Originally posted by Scorpes



    I'm actually a John Mccain republican, you know, the type the republican party use to be lead by. People of vision, of integrity, tolerance of others. The good ole days.


    And I voted against John McCain, but in the end a total waste of time when I can only chose between Libertarian and Democrat, time better spent masturbating then at the voting booth, "And you know what I mean."  Hillary.  lol, Hillary is a blast.
  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830


    Originally posted by Nerf09
    Or the Democrats want to replace the 10 commandments with the 10 recreational drugs:1)  Niccotine
    2)  Alcohol
    3)  Marijuanna
    4)  Morphine
    5)  Heroin
    6)  Cocaine
    7)  Hallucinagins
    8)  Viagra
    9)  Meth
    10)  Ritalin

    You also forgot

    11)Clean water
    12)Health care
    13)Higher mimimum wage
    14)Tolerance of others
    15)Freedom of religion
    16)Care of the Elderly
    17)Not wanting every animal not named cat, dog, cow, to go extinct
    18)Child care
    19)Lower gas prices
    20)Education for the poor

    Democrats, i wonder how they can sleep at night...what monsters...

  • Nerf09Nerf09 Member CommonPosts: 2,953


    Originally posted by Scorpes


    Originally posted by Nerf09

    Or the Democrats want to replace the 10 commandments with the 10 recreational drugs:

    1)  Niccotine
    2)  Alcohol
    3)  Marijuanna
    4)  Morphine
    5)  Heroin
    6)  Cocaine
    7)  Hallucinagins
    8)  Viagra
    9)  Meth
    10)  Ritalin


    You also forgot

    11)Clean water

    welcome to the 21st century hippie.


    12)Health care

    Hatred and envy of rich.


    13)Higher mimimum wage

    Hatred and envy of rich.


    14)Tolerance of others

    Except European DNA and bourgeois


    15)Freedom of religion

    Except Christianity and Judaeism


    16)Care of the Elderly

    Mocking of wisdom, knowledge and experience.


    17)Not wanting every animal not named cat, dog, cow, to go extinct

    Leftist religion of Mother Gaia.


    18)Child care

    Shouldnt this be under healthcare or are you just trying to reach your word quota.


    19)Lower gas prices

    Actually the Socialists want higher gas prices to artificially prop up alternative energy sourcs (They like the word alternative, like in "alternative lifestyles")


    20)Education for the poor

    Hatred and envy of the rich.

    Democrats, i wonder how they can sleep at night...what monsters...

    Indeed.


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