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What's with all the cry babies?
JimLad
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I don't really check the PS board on this site, but I was bored today and decided to see what people were chattin about and... Je-sus Christ! What the fork is with all this negativity? 
All I can see is threads and threads of newbs whining that the game sucks just because they got their arse kicked. I can only draw 2 conclusions from this...
-MMORPG players that have never experienced open pvp, or are used to letting their rares do the fighting have released that they can no longer play 1 handed.
-Match based FPS players are not used to the harshness of persistant war. They expected to own everyone because they are experts at games like Unreal or Counter Strike, and can't handle the fact that you actually have to learn new ways of playing.
To anyone who finds Planetside hard though just remember, EVERYTHING has it's weaknesess. There's a lot to learn in this game about what works and what doesn't, as well as where to be and where not to be. Most of all, make sure you join an outfit it makes things so much easier and there's many that won't even force you into team play. Also remember that battle ranks are easier to raise than you might think, you'll have enough cert points to have heal, repair, an assortment of weapons and at least one vehicle in no time.
Serious question: Does the trial thing give training like the full game does? If so there's no excuse to not know the basics at least.
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It boils down to what happens with old communities who have REALLY opinionated people posting on the boards. It also comes from the fact that the Devs actually DO read the boards and have listened to the useful ideas and suggestions brought up there... so some people feel empowered.
Then add in the fact that the game accomidates multiple playstyles in the same environment. People hate losing when they didn't 'have a chance' so they bitch and complain on the boards hoping for a buff to their specific playstyle. Plus the community is really passionate about their game... and forums largely only attract the people who complain about the game, not the ones who love it in it's current state.
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Reocurring problem i've come across in MMOs. Unless the website and forum is VITAL to playing the game, the only people using it are those who want to complain - the rest spend their time actually playing.
How many threads are there on the PS boards that read "I REALLY like the Pulsar, that gun is sweet. When i've looted Gauss Rifles i've found them useful at range - good accuracy and power - and the Cycler is pretty fun at close quarters. I think the rifles are pretty evenly ballanced, thanks Devs!"...
I REALLY like the Pulsar, that gun is sweet. i say so frequently when i'm talking to people in game, but i've never yet felt the need to log into the official forums and say so, because even if i did i know that within three seconds it would get pounced on by the "Pulsar Sux! buff tehPulsar!" "NOES! NERF IT!!!111oneone!!" croud.
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Yep, a crying shame. My outfit has been chasing up old members who haven't played for a while, trying to get them back in as Reservists, with some success - we have people back in the ranks who haven't played since Beta.
That said, it's like any MMO: if you play too much for too long, you can get burnt out. (ThunderThud, Grizadog, Dizz, wherefore art thou?)
I'm sure i saw (shot at) Bigmacattack a week or so ago on Emerald. might have just been a simmilar name though.
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
I heartily, fundamentally, disagree. there is no improvement to accuracy, speed, armour, etc. from leveling, and so there shouldn't; nor is there any cert, implant or ability which cannot be obtained by a (paying) BR6 (Biffer, Vulture, etc. notwithstanding) - and you can reach about 5.5 just by completing training. In theory a BR6 has exactly equal chance against a BR25, with the same weapons - it comes down entirely to skill, and understanding of the game mechanics. no, you can't get three Implants, and yes that does disadvantage you, in the limited sphere of the infantry game - but look at what most high-level players PUT in those other two spots: Advanced targetting, Surge, Sensor Shield, Audio Amp... they are what in most MMORPGs would be called 'crowd control' tools; cosmetic additions for finding, selecting and getting to their tagets, rather than things that directly effect the outcome of a one-on-one confrontation. I could start a fresh character today and, while i'd no doubt miss my extra implants and the ability to cert for several different specialisms all at once, but i could still join in with my outfit's Gal Drops or Armour Columns without ever feeling like i was just along for the ride. I would not want to have to repeatedly kill people i hopelessly outclass just so i could 'graduate' back into the big kids' game.
A 'free fire' (damage enabled, no grief, no popup warnings) training area in VR or Sanc for training/outfit matches has been suggested in the past, but that doesn't seem to be what you want. much as i regret to say it, you do seem to fall into the category of people 'wining that the game sucks because they got their arse kicked.'
As i've said in just about every thread i've posted in, 1) Join a Squad 2) Join an Outfit 3) ask questions of the vets. we don't ALL bite, and you might even end up enjoying the game.
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
Just doing the first few tutorials give you enough points to use ANY weapon, or vehicle, in the game, making any whining about "unfair" complete and utter pottymouth speak.
ANYONE saying its unfair is just another levelbased WoW nerd that can't take the fact that some people out there are quite good and can kill them with a stern look and a laugh.
Just make them shut up and tell their parents to buy them a Nintendo again, so they can go back to being 8 year old Mario fans.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
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Oh look its another selfish bugger wanting to be uber without actually taking the time to learn the game. Move along you lazy bumb.
LoL, this what we get when WoW type players get bored and want to move on.
Planetside is an awesome game. However you do need to observe, think and learn. Something people from bigger named games are not use to doing.
It also helps if you understand how the game works. Try reading the manual.
Yeah those poor WOW types have been spoon feed content so long they just can't handle solid foods anymore. A shame really I always found more enjoyment out of games that I had to think to win at as opposed to just get told to go here kill a rat bring his heart back to me etc. There is defintly a place for that mind numbing gaming style ( I partake of it myself on occasion when I need a break from mental thought), but its a shame it has replaced the thinking games to such a degree that a lot of people complain they are "too hard". Its a shame really I see more and more games dedicated to the lowest common denominator.
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Ok I haven't played PS since I cancelled my AAP back when NGE rolled live. But the game doesn't CARE what level you are. Saying you're being killed by "High Levels" in PS is just ignorant.
Being higher level doesn't give you more health.
Being higher level doesn't make your gun more accurate.
Being higher level doesn't give you a better gun, anyone can have any gun.
All being higher 'level' does in PS is allow you to learn a few different things. Key is you can't carry EVERYTHING into combat... you have to pick and choose. So all a "high level" has is more stuff at his disposal when he equips. Once he leavs the equipment terminal, however, he won't have any more, or any better, gear than you do. Because you can only carry so much.
All being high level does is make you more versatile and able to switch out equipment. But in the end this is a game about PERSONAL skill. It's an FPS. If you can't handle it, don't play. But don't break out the 'playing with high levels' gripe because in Planetside Level doesn't matter.
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Orbital strike? dosn't make difference?
Driving a BFR doesn't make a difference?
Implants such as darklight or audio amp or extra zoom really DO make a difference.
The biggest difference in being high level is the mobility, the ability to return to the fight fast, and also the flexibility, the ability to have the right gun for the job. To get kills no matter where you are on the map.
Not just one gun, you might be a almost as good a sniper as a guy with the zoom implant, but he can get to the mountains faster than you, and even get a few kills on the way as he is a Reaver pilot too. And when he dies, he is going to respawn in a tank and murder you.
A noob spends half an hour and a few deaths positioning himself for that 1 moment where he can get an even fight, a highlevel is constantly evenly balanced at every moment of the game.
Add to it that noobs don't know the maps and haven't learnt all the tactics and you can easily see why players might get very bored of being spawnraped very fast.
MMMM ...I think I will try and play a MAx unit today, lets pop out of this tower and assualt the town.
O. Spawn camped by BFR, I can't fight back, and I can't sneak past because I can only play as a MAX today.
Maybe if i repawn in another town and try defending, if all the little maxes got together maybe we could stand against a BFR.
O. Orbital strike on the front door. And BFR's camping in the hills.
while I agree that this game used to be (pre BFR) excellently balanced to allow noobs to be battleworthy it is wrong to say high levels don't have a theoretical advantage, they do. A great big one.
Never stopped me from enjoying it mind.
And speaking from personal experience the implants, while nice, are not a huge advantage. The biggest advantage that "high levels" (read: Experienced players) have over new players is they know the game, they know what works when and where and they know how best to use their abilities to their advantage.
None of that has anything to do with level.
A BR6 can kill a BR25 easily. All it takes is knowing how to play. And that has NOTHING to do with your level.
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A br6 can kill a br 25 easily, but not consistently.
Implants do make a difference. Inside with audio amp and darklight you have a clear advantage over a player without. You know where he is, he doesn't know where you are. This is an FPs game, that's all the advantage you need to kill him every time. 100%.
And while you may be able to take out a BFR with a Jammer and a Deci, A BFR can take you out repeatedly before you ever get that close. And they do.
It's not just Deci and Jammer users that know how to use their kit properly. That isn't a balanced fight. Not even remotely. BR25's "know how to play" also, and they get bigger tanks.
It's possible to take out a BFR with a Jammer and a Deci at BR6. It's possible that I will win the lottery when I buy a ticket, (someone does it every week). But not something you should expect to do. More normal is the BFR takes out 10-100 infantry without dying as he and a mate camp a tower. He stays there until a number of friendly high levels with BFR's show up or another high level player Orbital Strikes him.
The Jammer and Deci guy, explodes at the front door same as everybody else, until he is high enough level to get an aircraft so that he can respawn in another town grab a flyer and paradrop on the BFR with surprise.
It's nothing level dependant like WOW or an MMORPG, your bullets will hit and hurt as much as other peoples hits, but at lower level you won't get the drop on people anything like as often as at high level.
A BR6 with a machine gun running towards a BR25 with a machine gun, both firing at each other is equally as likely to get the kill as the BR25. But that's not how the fights go down. The BR25 turns invisible until he climbs into a tank and the BR6 hides for a minute or two and then explodes.
And you're still missing the point.
Yes, a BR25 CR5 is likely to beat a Reservist. because a BR25 CR5 is likely to have been playing for the better part of two years. you said yourself, they tend to ""Know how to play"". that's nothing to do with level.
I started out by saying that a BR6 is never going to be as tactically flexible as a BR25. they CAN have Darklight, Audio Amp, Surge, Adv. Targetting... just not all at once. they can swap them out any time of course, but they'd need a Bio Lab or the sanc, and...
lA BR6 CAN do the Jammer Deci thing, or the MAX thing, or the MBT thing, or the Reaver thing... just that thy'd need to ballance certs pretty carefully to do more than two or three of these things in any single six-hour period.
There is no combination of certs or implants a BR25 can acheve which will ever let them "kill [the BR6] every time, 100%". That's the point, really.
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
And, by the way, there are BR6's out there, now that Fodderside is live, that have been playing for years
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@Azekial
Essentially, I agree,
But I'll split hairs with you on a couple of points anyway.
In my scenario with the BFR and the tower, there is not one BFR but two. He has a friend.
That's all it takes to shut down a tower from the forces inside unless they have OS or external help. And yes you can still reconstruct elsewhere, but you've still lost the fight. Outclassed by higher level dudes.
Even if this is not the case and there is just one BFR and you "can" kill him with a Deci and a Jammer and an Implant and you just happen to have that exact kit selected for the night, the odds are still not in your favour. However since I have kitted up to play a MAX for the night, I haven't got a surge implant and by the time I get to another town recert/re-implant and return that BFR will not be there. I am now stuck in a BFR hunting kit for the night, and the enemy has got out of his BFR. Sorry but this is frustrationland. You have just been pwned and humiliated by a high level dude.
What actually happens is, the BFR (and his mate) camp the tower, I die a few times trying to fight them off, and then respawn in another area, defeated, and find a different fight that hopefully I can win.
And yes facing off against a BFR in a MAX is poor tactical judgement, but only high levels get to make that judgement, BR6 must play the hands they have. They are stuck with it for the night.
"A BR6 CAN do the Jammer Deci thing, or the MAX thing, or the MBT thing, or the Reaver thing... just that thy'd need to ballance certs pretty carefully to do more than two or three of these things in any single six-hour period."
Right but a BR6 has to plan for that exact circumstance to come up in battle. Or more realistically to plan the specific part of the battlefield he wishes to fight on, since his combat options are pretty limited. The BR25 does not. The BR6 is effective in a limited combat area only, the BR25 is not only equally effective/(slightly better) in that area, but effective everywhere else too. He may rape him before he ever gets to his chosen tactical arena and even deny him that ground.
Anyways, essentially I agree with you, my point is not that a BR6 can't easily kill a BR25, and isn't rewarding to play, but rather that a BR25 is more likely to get the drop. If you build an indoor fighter, a BR25 may kill you while travelling to the next city, OR indoors with his own indoor kit, which will be better than yours. You may also reasinably expect to kill him, but the odds are not in favour. Over a protracted period of time, or multiple combats the statistics will tell out.
Level makes a significant difference. It's not about being evenly balanced on the battlefield, it's about getting the drop on your opponent. If he is in a BFR and you are in a bomber, you have the drop. If his is in Agile and you are in a MAX, you have the drop, if he is in a MAX and you are in a Reaver, you have the drop. If you are in a Reaver and he is in a Skyguard, he has the drop. etc.
A BR25 has a vastly greater chance of getting the drop on any tactical circumstance. Knowing how to play isn't enough.
@Elnator,
Everytime you rape someone in your BFR, or OS an AMS your ego might demand that this was only possible due to your mighty and superior tactical skills and reflexes. To admit that you had a large tactical advantage to start with probably would devalue your sense of selfworth.
You are the Uberlord of Darkness the reason they cannot compete with you is not because you have greater capabilites in game, but because you are a legendary warrior amongst gamers.
"And, by the way, there are BR6's out there, now that Fodderside is live, that have been playing for years
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£5 says you are not one of them. Despite it being cheaper and "just as effective". The people who spend £10 a month do so for a reason, they may say one thing to the noobs, but they do another.
When I was a paying subscriber for PlanetSide I never owned BFR nor did I care to because they are too easy to kill. If you're in a tower and 2 (or hell 5) BFR's are attacking then get a damn grenadier to hit them with jammer nades while your forces take them out. Or pack a few jammers in your backpack and get a few buddies to do it as well and take them out. Nobody is gonna take 2 BFR's on solo, not even another BFR, with any chance of winning unless they are just completely clueless BFR drivers. True in any situation, really. If you're alone and you have two guys who know what they're doing gunning for you odds are yer gonna die. PlanetSide isn't a solo game (well you CAN and many DO solo but that's because of the 'chaos of the battlefield') it is a TEAM game. Anything a solo player can do a team can do infinitely better.
I never said a BR25 wasn't more versatile. In fact I said that is their ONLY significant advantage. But a BR6 can overcome that advantage in 1 simple way: GROUP WITH OTHER PLAYERS. A Solo BR25 will not stand a chance against a squad of BR6.... simple fact. A group of BR25's advantage against a group of BR6's is also significantly reduced as well because in a group your weaknesses are diluted and your strengths are amplified. PlanetSide is designed for squad/platoons to work together, not for solo play. If you are running around solo griping about being killed in PlanetSide I have no sympathy for you. If you play solo your risk of dying is amplified 100 fold.
Fact:
I do indeed currently play a BR6 character. I do not have a BFR on that character either. I recently added a fodderside account to my list of 'non subscription' games that I have started playing because I just don't feel that subscription MMO's offer a big enough advantage over the new rush of non-subscription offerings out there for me to justify sinking $200+ ayear into them. I won't collect on the 5 pounds you wanted to bet me though, you can keep them
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