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Lineage2
WARCRYtm
Member Posts: 875
Why is Lineage2 so under rated???
wonderfull grafics,amazing sound,fun to play.
I dont see pk´s has people say,comunity is verry helpfull
Amazing castle siege.
PS.People who tried befour c3 try it again,it has changed.
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it's not underated, seems more overated to me >_>
graphics are ok but repetitive, gameplay sucks, leveling sucks, cheating is a huge problem, and if you join in to pvp you might be fighting ppl who have the top gear cause they cheat and if u go red u can drop ur items and have to cheat to play or quit
From what I've heard (and the reason I haven't played), GRIND.
I've always wanted to try it because it looks good, but I can't stand a game that has too much grind to it.
It doesn't help that the description of gameplay that I heard from a guy who loved the game really turned me off, with all of the 2-boxing and botting it didn't sound like there was much reason for a human to actually play the game.
I'd rate it a 7.0 (I gave WOW 5.5)
Graphics are great, siege is very fun.
But still, horrible mindless grinding, class way too imbalanced, economy screwed up big time with farmers and ebayers.
if you are anti-social and don't like to party or join a guild yes it is terrible...i've known people that played this way to level 70 but generally people get involved in the politics of the game and if you make a lot of friends and enemies then the game becomes much more interesting imo
for example in wow your enemies are chosen for you...if you are in alliance and an alliance player is talking sh1t to you...you can do nothing about it...other than flame them back or gm petition
in L2 there is no such problem...if you hate someone they are your enemy and you can kill them as much as you want...so this flexibility makes the game much more interesting
i believe the grind is in place to allow these relationships to develop...in wow you are often busy doing quests and things and although u need parties to kill certain bosses...you don't have time to develop the politics and relationships that you do in Lineage...so for me its an issue of taste...if you want something to finish quickly...wow is a great game...but if you want to spend a long time with people then Lineage is a very good game
in L2, the real grinding starts at lvl 73. In case you don't know...I wouldn't know if I didn't pass it. lvl 73 is 30% harder than lvl 72. And worse at 74, 75, and so on.
i know about how hard grind is cuz my first character was warsmith in c1 lol
but i'm prepared for grind to get much worse...when i play i usually watch movies and chat with clan members so its not so bad...
I played L2 for the longest time, like a love-hate type thing. possibly the longest game I ever played starting from the korean beta, to the US closed beta. I absolutely loved the game but wished for a very long time for something else to come out so I could get away from it.
my play sessions completely drained me, if I wasnt grinding levels I was grinding adena.. and both were equally as severe.
it is under rated though, if the economy wasnt so hosed the game would be much better.. but equipment is extremely expensive to buy
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Why is it under rated?
Thats easy to explain...people do not understand what the game is about.
Then there are all the people who cry about the grind and the gold farmers, like all other games are grind free and gold farmer free.
The economy works fine but it requires you to learn it and use it correctly. So it requires you to think alittle about what you are doing, something a lot of people don't like to do. There are gold farmers, yes, but not as many as say...WoW.
Why a game as easy to get money in as WoW has so many people buying gold is a mystery to me. I have three level 60 guys with epics and epic mounts and never once even remotely even came close to not having any money.
Then L2 has some hard consequences like the death penalty and the PvP. People are not use to that in the newer "friendlier" games. Makes you have to think about what you are doing because what you do might have a negitive impact. Again, thinking is something many players don't like to do.
Everything is not served up on a plater and you are not led through the game by your nose. Many new players are use to having their hand held. If you don't learn the economy, you will not be able to buy new gear when you need it. If you don't make lots of friends and get into a good guild the grind will be a living hell. If you rampage on PvP sprees you will make enemies and not be safe anywhere. With a bad reputation you may as well quit.
L2 is a cruel mistress, learn it or you are prey.
Our servers are full anyway, so who cares? Let them all think its to hard or full of bots and stuff.
All in all its no different then any other MMORPG out there, just tougher.
This is a very hardcore game that requires a lot of attention, skills, and hrs invested into it. Some players do cheat (ebay, ige) to get gear...but most r legit and spent their hard earn gil on equipment, like me
How do i know? look up who Inuyelf was on lionna
What does not enjoying grinding have to do with being social or not? Grinding is repeating the same encounters on the same mobs using the same abilities for hours on end. There are no interesting decisions to be made, nothing to figure out, no story to read, no new tactics to try, nothing that warrants even calling it a game. You go in, maybe spend 5 minutes actually thinking, then just keep repeating the same mind-numbing pattern for hours or days.
Since I play games to actually enjoy playing the game, this doesn't appeal to me at all. I don't care about WHY the grind is in the game, since people always come up with some reason why it's allegedly needed, I just care that grinding for hours then days then weeks then months on end is not fun for me. And if a game is not fun for me, then it has failed as a game as far as I'm concerned, and I'll go play something fun instead.
Whether I'm in a guild or not, grinding is going to be boring. And I can be social while doing something enjoyable instead of picking up a second job, plus if the only draw of the game is being 'social' and chatting with people, I can do that without the game involved at all. "Anti-social" and "don't enjoy grinding" are two completely seperate things.
my analogy would be while you are waiting for something exciting to happen (catching the fish = pvp)
you spend time chillin with your friends (grinding)...some games keep you so busy running from place to place that you don't have any time to just relax...kill something easy and get to know each other
In L2 many players have their main which usually behaves in a respectable manner...and their alt that they use to pk random people...when they are bored with grinding the main...they go and pk with their alt for awhile...seriously Lineage is what you make of it...but if you want to be powerful and pk many people you do need to grind...my point is u can make it as boring or as exciting as you want...
Actually, you were talking about people 'acting like' a grind is a horrible thing. I'm not acting, it really is a horrible thing for me. If you like spending hours, days, weeks of your life locked into repetitive combats in game where you don't do anything I'd consider interesting then great, Lineage II fits you. But I find the concept repugnant, and find your claim that people just 'act like' the grind is horrible to be silly.
Hmm Gameloading, getting to level cap in WOW takes about 15 days /played time for someome starting out, the record for someome who plots out what mobs to grind is under 7 days /played. Is it really that short of a time to get to the cap in Lineage II? Because the guy telling me about it was talking about weeks and weeks of leaving a bot running to grind out levels and he wasn't even at cap on his character.
Is it god to be max level in /15 days????
You are a noob in that time,many hard core everquest players that played wow got to 60 and quit,cause they couldnt stand to play with people that didnt know how to use their hown chars,they couldnt stand to die in places like lbrs and ubrs(realy easy places for a person who have played any decent fantasy mmo).
In Lineage2 you have many places to get xp,you dont have to kill the same mob over and over,if you say that you didnt not tried this game,lineage 2 have a enormous variety of mobs,if you are a solo player(ffs this is a mmo) you will have to grind alot(difrent mobs if you are smart :P),if you group you will do it well.
Chapter 3 and 4 made a verry good job with lineage,is a beter game now,and under ratend on mmorpg.com
btw, don't be scared of the 'grind'. I made two level 30's on retail in less than a month, and that was with an ample ammount of time screwing around. If I continued on retail (friends didn't have enough cash to get over there ;() than I would have gotten lvl 40 on my main guy at the time in another week.
I also had full top D grade, so realy, it's not a 'grind-filled' game, its just that people are used to how easy it is to level in other games.
OK, so WARCRYtm are you saying that Gameloading is wrong when he says that Lineage II requires no more grinding than WOW? Or is lineage just as 'terrible' because it's a short game too?
Also, are you denying that Lineage II even has a grind? Your claim that you don't just kill the same mob over and over seems to mean that you think it doesn't.
I must take defense for my favorite MMO that I have played to this date, and I have played a lot of them.
Yes L2 does have cheaters, but everygame does. It can be a grind also, but many other games are a grind, and some people like a grind because you get a sense of accomplishment when you reach a high level. Unlike other games that take a month or two to reach the highest level.
The open PVP is awesome. And dont listen to all these fools who say PK'ers are everywhere because they aren't, at least not on my server. And NO you will not drop good gear if you kill while red UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE IT MORE THAN 5 times. People who complain about this kind of stuff usually haven't played very much of the game, so dont listen to them.
A lot of people dont mention how good the music is in this game. The outerworld sound effects are yet to be matched in any other game. The chat system is also a great part of the game.
If you are tired of the games that hold your hand all the way to the highest level, and you want a challenge, you should give L2 a shot.
OK Pantastic, you are just trying to trip those two up
L2 has a very tough grind. All MMORPG's have a grind element. Grind has NOTHING to do with actual Role Playing. All MMO's have missed that point. MMO's focus for the most part on the "character developement" (leveling & loot acquiring) but leave most of the important stuff out.
Maybe (as I do not know either of them) what they are trying to say is that the grind - mechanically - is no different from WoW. I would agree with that. I have more experience with WoW then with L2 but I would say the Grind mechanic is the same. L2 suits my taste as far as style goes however.
WoW is built on accessability.
L2 is built on Competition.
Two totally different design philosophies. You can not really compare the two as they are apples and oranges.
Not everyone who plays L2 will hit level cap. In fact most WILL NOT. Hitting level cap is NOT the point of the game. The grind is designed to keep you from hitting cap. Its hard on purpose.
Everyone CAN, if they want, hit level cap in WOW. Its part of the design. You end up "grinding" just as much in WoW just at a different time. Don't tell me gathering Honor in WoW is not a grind. It is. Don't tell me the "raiding" in WOW isn't down to a science and not a grind. It is.
Both are terrific games. It all depends what you like. I do not encourage anyone to try L2 unless they are prepared for a tough grind a hard economy and at times a rough community. It is however in my opinion, far more rewarding when you "win" as not everyone can in L2. The class transfer quest alone are an ordeal that would drive away most "weaker willed" players.
I have learned the economy and I have gotten into a very good guild. I can make a few million Adena a week when I put the time into it. Lately I have been lazy but I want a Katana now and it will cost about 6 or 7 mil. If my stuff sells, I should have but this weekend. I have alot of contacts and my guild cuts me deals with items to sell. I work the market when I'm bord with leveling and make bunches of cash. Can everyone do this? No. Sorry, can't.
For whatever reasons alot of North American players run away from this game with their tails between their legs crying "bots" and "grind" retreat to WoW for the same thing only FASTER and EASIER up front but eventually the same thing.
Neither games are "role playing games"