Well I think she has a right to her views. I think she has a right to express them, but to do so at a funeral is disgusting, to attack family members when they are so emotionally vulnerable is contrary to most Christian’s interpretation of Christianity, which is a religion of compassion, forgiveness and understanding.
Even if her views are “the right ones” (I am an atheist) she isn’t going to make friends and influence people like this, she must know this, so I think she wasn’t really trying to evangelise, just make a cheap shot at an easy target for some T.V. exposure.
This is why you cant even have a dialogue nevermind a disagreement with these people. This is where our country is going and its time people spoke out. Bet a bunch of people on this site are applauding and clapping for these people.
Notice the last part 80% of the church is the Phelps family, thats why we need diversity in schools. These people, adults and children probably never were in public or even private schools. Probably home schooled "using that term loosely" and thats what we have here, a bunch of brainwashed zealots.
They are not crazy, or whako's, or lunatics.. That would mean they have a mental illness of some kind, they dont have mental illness or rather not a natural one.
They are mentally crippled by how they were brought up and raised. What happend to them is something that never needed to happen, that is why exposure to the wider world and different cultures is so pivotal in having a healthy mental outlook on life.. Having 90% of everything you know coming from someones distorted version of scripture. unfortunently in its extreme form this is what it produces.
At lesser levels, well, it may not be as obvious, but the same handicapping effect is nonetheless still there.
Originally posted by janjanson Well I think she has a right to her views. I think she has a right to express them
Sure she does, but not in the way she did. Telling people that their ways of life are wrong and not only criticizing them but mocking and attacking them is just dispicable.
You'd be surprised, but watching that I get more pissed at Hannity and Colmes than I do at the lady. She is a nutjob and what they should have done is let her say her piece, and let her insanity speak for itself. Instead they get her on the show just so they can take turns calling her a nutjob and a nut and a monster. You think they didn't know who they were getting on the show?
Originally posted by janjanson Well I think she has a right to her views. I think she has a right to express them, but to do so at a funeral is disgusting, to attack family members when they are so emotionally vulnerable is contrary to most Christian’s interpretation of Christianity, which is a religion of compassion, forgiveness and understanding.
Even if her views are “the right ones” (I am an atheist) she isn’t going to make friends and influence people like this, she must know this, so I think she wasn’t really trying to evangelise, just make a cheap shot at an easy target for some T.V. exposure. Should the T.V. station have given her air time?
That woman thinks she is so righteous and next to god, but yet, she sits there saying who's Christian and who's not. Well excuse the f*** out of me, who gave her judgement rights? That woman needs a massive head evaluation or just needs to check herself into a mental hospital.
Thats kinda where I draw the line on free speech, I personaly dont think the KKK or hate groups should be allowed to operate or exist in a democratic society. This lady fits into that catagory and I realy think those protests should have resulted in charges. If I had a bother or son die in a war and I seen them with those signs I dont think I would be able to control my rage and would have did something drastic. Free speech is essential for expessing views and maby by letting people hear how stupid these people sound we can use them to show what not to do and say but I still think she should be in a nuthouse as she sounds absurd beyond comprehension. Also yes them 2 hosts should never have given that girl any air time at all there was just no talking to anyone that brainwashed but I guess they were very offended and wanted a chance to verbaly asault her which I realy cant blame them for.
At least she was nice and civil I think reading between the lines of "Thank God for 9/11 and dead soldiers" (ignoring the anti-Jew and gay statements) is that we shouldn't be sad about people dieing, she is saying they are with God now and there's no reason to be upset about death. She isn't really supporting terrorist or killing, I guess she think God acts through them.
Originally posted by -Jaguar- At least she was nice and civil I think reading between the lines of "Thank God for 9/11 and dead soldiers" (ignoring the anti-Jew and gay statements) is that we shouldn't be sad about people dieing, she is saying they are with God now and there's no reason to be upset about death. She isn't really supporting terrorist or killing, I guess she think God acts through them.
No she was not, she was saying thank god for 911, dead soldiers, ied's etc, saying they are gods manisfestations of his displeasure at how the world is today.
Originally posted by Scorpes No she was not, she was saying thank god for 911, dead soldiers, ied's etc, saying they are gods manisfestations of his displeasure at how the world is today.
That's what I also meant. Really I don't find it upsetting that she says that. I don't agree with her but she can say or believe whatever she wants. Maybe if she was more obnoxious about it on TV but she was way too calm, the other guys were more pushy than she was, at least on that clip. I think she represented well for her group.
Originally posted by jdun1 I do find the lady to be very insulting and I would never do that to any person even if they were my most hated enemies. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> The anti-war movement brings a lot of wackos out in the open and she just one of many out there. The lady and her group are using Christianity to further their anti-war movements. Her and her group is more anti-war then Christian. This is another reason why I despise the anti-war movement and the left in general. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> Freedom of Speech is one of two legs that support any democracy. Speech even if you don’t like it must be permitted in order for a free society to continue. Societies that do not understand Freedom of Speech tend to be dictatorship/authoritarian. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]-->The Right to Bear Arm is the second leg. Both are need to be a truly free society.
What the hell are you ranting about, she's FOR the war, she LOVE it because she believe Gods doing it to show his wrath. Hence "Thank God for dead soldiers".
Did you even bother to listen and comprehend, or did you automatically assume SIGN + PROTEST = Anti-War protest. Why not take the time to actually listen to what she's saying and then formulate and honest opinion and not just jump to a conclusion because its the easiest path to take.
Yeah it's a good trick. Get someone half nuts on their show and criticize them to make them (the news anchors) look justified in their comments and allowing the illusion of merit.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
"The anti-war movement brings a lot of wackos out in the open and she just one of many out there. The lady and her group are using Christianity to further their anti-war movements. Her and her group is more anti-war then Christian. This is another reason why I despise the anti-war movement and the left in general. "
Well i'm anti-war for many reasons but one is because I don't want those soldiers dying.
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Originally posted by jdun1 Originally posted by Scorpes Originally posted by jdun1 I do find the lady to be very insulting and I would never do that to any person even if they were my most hated enemies. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> The anti-war movement brings a lot of wackos out in the open and she just one of many out there. The lady and her group are using Christianity to further their anti-war movements. Her and her group is more anti-war then Christian. This is another reason why I despise the anti-war movement and the left in general. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> Freedom of Speech is one of two legs that support any democracy. Speech even if you don’t like it must be permitted in order for a free society to continue. Societies that do not understand Freedom of Speech tend to be dictatorship/authoritarian. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]-->The Right to Bear Arm is the second leg. Both are need to be a truly free society.
What the hell are you ranting about, she's FOR the war, she LOVE it because she believe Gods doing it to show his wrath. Hence "Thank God for dead soldiers".
Did you even bother to listen and comprehend, or did you automatically assume SIGN + PROTEST = Anti-War protest. Why not take the time to actually listen to what she's saying and then formulate and honest opinion and not just jump to a conclusion because its the easiest path to take.
I just saw it again (four times now) and maybe we are seeing the wrong video but she is an anti-war protester and a nut job.
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I see signs that say “You’re Going to Hell”, “Thanks God for IED”, “Don’t Worship the Dead”, God’s (Cross hair on Uncle Sam) View, “Thank God for Dead Soldiers”, and did I mention they are protesters. You don’t protest in the funeral of a dead soldier and said you support the war. It is beyond logic why you think that they are for the war. I think everyone except you agree that they are protesting against the war and among other things.
How does Alexmoor saying he's against the war prove a point? Do you make vast assumptions and leaps of faith on everything you think of?
You're also trying to apply logic to an illogical situation and thats where your theory is wrong. There is no logic, she is clearly for the war because it puts into her reality of a vengefull wrathfull god punishing people who arent subscribing to her and her followers brand of theology. Arguing with you is pointless, you cant see your nose in front of your face.
As for the War, Im for the war, Its an absolute must at this point we win, so dont even try to label me antiwar.
Freedom of Speech is one of two legs that support any democracy. Speech even if you don’t like it must be permitted in order for a free society to continue. Societies that do not understand Freedom of Speech tend to be dictatorship/authoritarian.
The Right to Bear Arm is the second leg. Both are need to be a truly free society.
America a democracy? it never has and never will be.
there has never ever been a "free-society"
the nature of society is to create a safe place for one human to enslave another.
this country professed "all men are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
notice the sexism? wtf salvery?
how about the fact that the revolutionary war only happened because the anti-slavery movement in europe britain was picking up?
if you think our society is anywhere near free, just try not joining the draft if they start one. oh wait, if your rich like clinton you can ditch it and then become president
America a democracy? it never has and never will be.
there has never ever been a "free-society"
the nature of society is to create a safe place for one human to enslave another.
this country professed "all men are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
notice the sexism? wtf salvery?
how about the fact that the revolutionary war only happened because the anti-slavery movement in europe britain was picking up?
if you think our society is anywhere near free, just try not joining the draft if they start one. oh wait, if your rich like clinton you can ditch it and then become president
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Well I think she has a right to her views. I think she has a right to express them, but to do so at a funeral is disgusting, to attack family members when they are so emotionally vulnerable is contrary to most Christian’s interpretation of Christianity, which is a religion of compassion, forgiveness and understanding.
Even if her views are “the right ones” (I am an atheist) she isn’t going to make friends and influence people like this, she must know this, so I think she wasn’t really trying to evangelise, just make a cheap shot at an easy target for some T.V. exposure.
Should the T.V. station have given her air time?
I agree she has the right to say it and have those views, but people like that make me completely and totally sick to my stomach.
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This is why you cant even have a dialogue nevermind a disagreement with these people. This is where our country is going and its time people spoke out. Bet a bunch of people on this site are applauding and clapping for these people.
Notice the last part 80% of the church is the Phelps family, thats why we need diversity in schools. These people, adults and children probably never were in public or even private schools. Probably home schooled "using that term loosely" and thats what we have here, a bunch of brainwashed zealots.
They are not crazy, or whako's, or lunatics.. That would mean they have a mental illness of some kind, they dont have mental illness or rather not a natural one.
They are mentally crippled by how they were brought up and raised. What happend to them is something that never needed to happen, that is why exposure to the wider world and different cultures is so pivotal in having a healthy mental outlook on life.. Having 90% of everything you know coming from someones distorted version of scripture. unfortunently in its extreme form this is what it produces.
At lesser levels, well, it may not be as obvious, but the same handicapping effect is nonetheless still there.
You'd be surprised, but watching that I get more pissed at Hannity and Colmes than I do at the lady. She is a nutjob and what they should have done is let her say her piece, and let her insanity speak for itself. Instead they get her on the show just so they can take turns calling her a nutjob and a nut and a monster. You think they didn't know who they were getting on the show?
That woman thinks she is so righteous and next to god, but yet, she sits there saying who's Christian and who's not. Well excuse the f*** out of me, who gave her judgement rights? That woman needs a massive head evaluation or just needs to check herself into a mental hospital.
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At least she was nice and civil I think reading between the lines of "Thank God for 9/11 and dead soldiers" (ignoring the anti-Jew and gay statements) is that we shouldn't be sad about people dieing, she is saying they are with God now and there's no reason to be upset about death. She isn't really supporting terrorist or killing, I guess she think God acts through them.
Btw people like that really give christianity a bad name
Originally posted by Scorpes
No she was not, she was saying thank god for 911, dead soldiers, ied's etc, saying they are gods manisfestations of his displeasure at how the world is today.
That's what I also meant. Really I don't find it upsetting that she says that. I don't agree with her but she can say or believe whatever she wants. Maybe if she was more obnoxious about it on TV but she was way too calm, the other guys were more pushy than she was, at least on that clip. I think she represented well for her group.
What the hell are you ranting about, she's FOR the war, she LOVE it because she believe Gods doing it to show his wrath. Hence "Thank God for dead soldiers".
Did you even bother to listen and comprehend, or did you automatically assume SIGN + PROTEST = Anti-War protest. Why not take the time to actually listen to what she's saying and then formulate and honest opinion and not just jump to a conclusion because its the easiest path to take.
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Yeah it's a good trick. Get someone half nuts on their show and criticize them to make them (the news anchors) look justified in their comments and allowing the illusion of merit.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
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What the hell are you ranting about, she's FOR the war, she LOVE it because she believe Gods doing it to show his wrath. Hence "Thank God for dead soldiers".
Did you even bother to listen and comprehend, or did you automatically assume SIGN + PROTEST = Anti-War protest. Why not take the time to actually listen to what she's saying and then formulate and honest opinion and not just jump to a conclusion because its the easiest path to take.
I just saw it again (four times now) and maybe we are seeing the wrong video but she is an anti-war protester and a nut job.
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I see signs that say “You’re Going to Hell”, “Thanks God for IED”, “Don’t Worship the Dead”, God’s (Cross hair on Uncle Sam) View, “Thank God for Dead Soldiers”, and did I mention they are protesters. You don’t protest in the funeral of a dead soldier and said you support the war. It is beyond logic why you think that they are for the war. I think everyone except you agree that they are protesting against the war and among other things.
How does Alexmoor saying he's against the war prove a point? Do you make vast assumptions and leaps of faith on everything you think of?
You're also trying to apply logic to an illogical situation and thats where your theory is wrong. There is no logic, she is clearly for the war because it puts into her reality of a vengefull wrathfull god punishing people who arent subscribing to her and her followers brand of theology. Arguing with you is pointless, you cant see your nose in front of your face.
As for the War, Im for the war, Its an absolute must at this point we win, so dont even try to label me antiwar.
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I think the woman in this video should be charged and not Wang Wenyi.
there has never ever been a "free-society"
the nature of society is to create a safe place for one human to enslave another.
this country professed "all men are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
notice the sexism? wtf salvery?
how about the fact that the revolutionary war only happened because the anti-slavery movement in europe britain was picking up?
if you think our society is anywhere near free, just try not joining the draft if they start one. oh wait, if your rich like clinton you can ditch it and then become president
lol patriot act?
lol...omg ahhaha
there has never ever been a "free-society"
the nature of society is to create a safe place for one human to enslave another.
this country professed "all men are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
notice the sexism? wtf salvery?
how about the fact that the revolutionary war only happened because the anti-slavery movement in europe britain was picking up?
if you think our society is anywhere near free, just try not joining the draft if they start one. oh wait, if your rich like clinton you can ditch it and then become president
lol patriot act?
lol...omg ahhaha