What are they saying on the Vanguard Beta forum

bennylong

about this lovely deal? Is there a mass exodus of Beta testers?

Kem0sabe

Dozens of threads have been started, to be honest i dont think sigil had any conception of the backlash they would get from this move.

Beta testers are canceling pre orders, people are absolutly disgusted by this.

bennylong

Interesting.

I guess that shouldn't be a surprise that all the Beta testers are leaving since most of them were interested in the game because it was not a  SOE product.

I feel kind of ripped off because I just pay $6 to buy CGM to get a Beta Code and now I'm not interested in the game at all.

IcoGames

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Originally posted by Kem0sabe
i dont think sigil had any conception of the backlash they would get from this move.

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I'll give Brad, and company, the benefit of saying they knew SOE's reputation (warranted or not), but are speculating that the issue will blow over eventually.

Then again, from reading interviews I don't think Sigil is looking for a large number of subscribers to begin with. Wanting more of a J-curve trend instead, like Eve Online.

Kem0sabe

They only have 1/3 of the content implement, 1/3 of the classes are working. the content that is implemented is so bugged, bland, god awfull generic fantasy crap, that in no way this game would have been ready anytime before the 2nd/3rd quarters of 2007.

So MS let sigil go, with a sigh of relief i bet.

bennylong

they could just rename this game SWG and no one would notice the difference.

Sounds just like SWG during beta and live for the past 3 years.

stevesmithjr

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Originally posted by Kem0sabe
They only have 1/3 of the content implement, 1/3 of the classes are working. the content that is implemented is so bugged, bland, god awfull generic fantasy crap, that in no way this game would have been ready anytime before the 2nd/3rd quarters of 2007.

So MS let sigil go, with a sigh of relief i bet.

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So then... sounds like Sigil/SOE is a match made in heaven.

Shayde

Oh, if it's THAT bugfilled.. it fits right into the $OE lineup.

bennylong

Beta testers: This game isn't ready to be released

SOE: We're happy to announce  Vanguard  is ready to be released and another expansion will be released in 6 months. You will also be able to purchase an adventure pak for a low price of $9.99

holifeet

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Originally posted by Kem0sabe
They only have 1/3 of the content implement, 1/3 of the classes are working. the content that is implemented is so bugged, bland, god awfull generic fantasy crap, that in no way this game would have been ready anytime before the 2nd/3rd quarters of 2007.

So MS let sigil go, with a sigh of relief i bet.

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What do you really expect? It's a beta...not a game. It will be a game when it is released. If you went in to beta expecting to play a game that made you go 'ooh!' and 'wow!' then you were sorely mistaken.

I've said this before; people that go in to betas looking for a game to play are the ones who come away dissappointed and complain about. The people that are happy with the beta and believe it meets expectations with its content keep their mouths shut.

People should read threads like this with a pinch of salt.

By the way you just broke the NDA.

angerr

you all sound like you need a hug, how long are you going to complain about this? like we don't already know how you feel?

Shayde

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Originally posted by holifeet
By the way you just broke the NDA.

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Oh NOES!!!

I can just hear $OE deploying their rabid deranged baby-eating lawyers now!

Oneon

bennylong=Benbanglong on the vanguard forums, me thinks, kekeke.

Anyway, from knowing SOE's track record and business ethics first hand, I don't plan on playing Vanguard when it's released, mainly because...my opinion, of course...I believe if Vanguard is even remotely success ful that SOE is going to buy Sigil out and run vanguard as they see fit, and will destroy it with useless "updates" and numerous expansions.

And to those that don't think this will happen, you are in denial. 

*Scenary*

SOE buys Sigil out.

Smedly: Brad, we want this this this and this in Vanguard *hands Brad a sheet of paper with stupid ideas and unneeded changes*

Brad: I don't think these changes are necessary, and don't fit in with our Vision for the game.

Smedly: Guess we'll just pull your funding.

Brad: Fine, we'll have it your way.

If that doesn't happen then I will be very...very suprised.

n2sooners

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Originally posted by Oneon

bennylong=Benbanglong on the vanguard forums, me thinks, kekeke.

Anyway, from knowing SOE's track record and business ethics first hand, I don't plan on playing Vanguard when it's released, mainly because...my opinion, of course...I believe if Vanguard is even remotely success ful that SOE is going to buy Sigil out and run vanguard as they see fit, and will destroy it with useless "updates" and numerous expansions.
And to those that don't think this will happen, you are in denial. 
*Scenary*
SOE buys Sigil out.
Smedly: Brad, we want this this this and this in Vanguard *hands Brad a sheet of paper with stupid ideas and unneeded changes*
Brad: I don't think these changes are necessary, and don't fit in with our Vision for the game.
Smedly: Guess we'll just pull your funding.
Brad: Fine, we'll have it your way.


If that doesn't happen then I will be very...very suprised.

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Big problem with that is SOE isn't funding the game. SOE doesn't like how it is going and tries to change the game, Brad just dumps them the same way he dumped MS (except that he doesn't even have to bother buying them out because he owns all rights).

Dis_Ordur

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Originally posted by n2sooners

Big problem with that is SOE isn't funding the game. SOE doesn't like how it is going and tries to change the game, Brad just dumps them the same way he dumped MS (except that he doesn't even have to bother buying them out because he owns all rights).

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I bet you anything MS dumped Sigil, not the other way around...  Why on earth would you dump MS for SOE?

Regardless of what Brad would say or spin it as, like Sigil would ever admit MS last patience with them, lord knows they are taking long enough to make the damned game...

angerr

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Originally posted by Oneon
bennylong=Benbanglong on the vanguard forums, me thinks, kekeke.Anyway, from knowing SOE's track record and business ethics first hand, I don't plan on playing Vanguard when it's released, mainly because...my opinion, of course...I believe if Vanguard is even remotely success ful that SOE is going to buy Sigil out and run vanguard as they see fit, and will destroy it with useless "updates" and numerous expansions.
And to those that don't think this will happen, you are in denial. 
*Scenary*
SOE buys Sigil out.
Smedly: Brad, we want this this this and this in Vanguard *hands Brad a sheet of paper with stupid ideas and unneeded changes*
Brad: I don't think these changes are necessary, and don't fit in with our Vision for the game.
Smedly: Guess we'll just pull your funding.
Brad: Fine, we'll have it your way.
If that doesn't happen then I will be very...very suprised.

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and what is stopping ms from buying sigil out? hell what is stopping ms from buying sony and sigil out for that matter? they have way more bank that sony does let alone soe.

this has already been addressed on the official forums, there are contracts in place that prevents this (not saying it wont ever happen) but it is not like soe can just "take over" like you seem to think. also sooners is right, soe is not funding vanguard so how can they pull funding in the first place?

Rekindle

This is bad news.

zegeroth

I'm pretty certain, given the precedents that they will not sell vanguard to SOE.  It just wouldn't make since given SOE's direction and Brad's investment in this game.

Pasho

mmmm  let me remember for a minute......

What was in first place, the reason for Brad abandoning EQ??? ...ohh yes..that is right..SOE.

And you are returning to them?? Mr. McQuaid..i guess you are liar #1 now in the MMO community after Smedley!!

Seloth

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Originally posted by n2sooners
Big problem with that is SOE isn't funding the game. SOE doesn't like how it is going and tries to change the game, Brad just dumps them the same way he dumped MS (except that he doesn't even have to bother buying them out because he owns all rights).

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hrm...

SoE is running the servers...nope no control issues there....

SoE is the customer service for the game....still no control issues there...

SoE is the people managing the subscriptions....there is no power in the accounting, your right...

SoE is the distributor of the game...no power is a the supply channel is there? 'course not.

I honestly hope that this game does turn out okay, you all deserve a wonderful experience. I think you all are wearing blinders about SoE, but that is the wonderful thing about forums, we can all express opinions and disagree.

rangermonty

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Originally posted by angerr


Originally posted by Oneon
bennylong=Benbanglong on the vanguard forums, me thinks, kekeke.

Anyway, from knowing SOE's track record and business ethics first hand, I don't plan on playing Vanguard when it's released, mainly because...my opinion, of course...I believe if Vanguard is even remotely success ful that SOE is going to buy Sigil out and run vanguard as they see fit, and will destroy it with useless "updates" and numerous expansions.
And to those that don't think this will happen, you are in denial. 
*Scenary*
SOE buys Sigil out.
Smedly: Brad, we want this this this and this in Vanguard *hands Brad a sheet of paper with stupid ideas and unneeded changes*
Brad: I don't think these changes are necessary, and don't fit in with our Vision for the game.
Smedly: Guess we'll just pull your funding.
Brad: Fine, we'll have it your way.

If that doesn't happen then I will be very...very suprised.

and what is stopping ms from buying sigil out? hell what is stopping ms from buying sony and sigil out for that matter? they have way more bank that sony does let alone soe.

this has already been addressed on the official forums, there are contracts in place that prevents this (not saying it wont ever happen) but it is not like soe can just "take over" like you seem to think. also sooners is right, soe is not funding vanguard so how can they pull funding in the first place?

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Nothing would have stopped MS from buying sigil out and maybe that was the problem. Brad already has a relationship with smedly they worked togther for 7 years or something like that. So he probably feels more confortable with that deal. SoE needs a win under their belt. Vanguard will, hopefully, be that. Theoretically Sigil makes a good product that brings people back to the SoE flag. Sigil gets to keep its autonomy and SoE makes takes in a small cut of the royalties.

SOE's role is to market/publish the game, handle billing, and provide back-end support. Meaning: they'll be responsible for getting the boxes on the shelf, adding Vanguard to the all-access pass, and maintaining the server farms Vanguard will exist on. Sigil's job will be to produce the game. Meaning, they will generate, maintain, and patch content. Sigil will also be handling customer support. And Microsoft, well... Microsoft will just continue to dump money into attempts at breaking into the Japanese market with the 360.

Note:
MS couldn't buy SoE as Sony and MS have roughly a grillion dollars

Morneblade

I think a mojor difference between MS and SOE when they see problems in a game is that MS will dump it, while SOE will rework it from the groud up. MS canned their first MMO, Mythica about a year ago, and it was a huge shock to everyone, since it looked so damn good. SOmething was not going they way they wanted, so they closed up shop. Since Sigil, was not in their control, they might have done the next best thing and get rid of it, either way, they tend to cut their losses.

SOE on the other hand will try and re-invent a game as many times as they need to. Just something to look for in the future.

angerr

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Originally posted by rangermonty

Originally posted by angerr Originally posted by Oneonbennylong=Benbanglong on the vanguard forums, me thinks, kekeke.Anyway, from knowing SOE's track record and business ethics first hand, I don't plan on playing Vanguard when it's released, mainly because...my opinion, of course...I believe if Vanguard is even remotely success ful that SOE is going to buy Sigil out and run vanguard as they see fit, and will destroy it with useless "updates" and numerous expansions.And to those that don't think this will happen, you are in denial.  *Scenary*SOE buys Sigil out.Smedly: Brad, we want this this this and this in Vanguard *hands Brad a sheet of paper with stupid ideas and unneeded changes*Brad: I don't think these changes are necessary, and don't fit in with our Vision for the game.Smedly: Guess we'll just pull your funding.Brad: Fine, we'll have it your way.
If that doesn't happen then I will be very...very suprised.
and what is stopping ms from buying sigil out? hell what is stopping ms from buying sony and sigil out for that matter? they have way more bank that sony does let alone soe.
this has already been addressed on the official forums, there are contracts in place that prevents this (not saying it wont ever happen) but it is not like soe can just "take over" like you seem to think. also sooners is right, soe is not funding vanguard so how can they pull funding in the first place?Nothing would have stopped MS from buying sigil out and maybe that was the problem. Brad already has a relationship with smedly they worked togther for 7 years or something like that. So he probably feels more confortable with that deal. SoE needs a win under their belt. Vanguard will, hopefully, be that. Theoretically Sigil makes a good product that brings people back to the SoE flag. Sigil gets to keep its autonomy and SoE makes takes in a small cut of the royalties.
SOE's role is to market/publish the game, handle billing, and provide back-end support. Meaning: they'll be responsible for getting the boxes on the shelf, adding Vanguard to the all-access pass, and maintaining the server farms Vanguard will exist on. Sigil's job will be to produce the game. Meaning, they will generate, maintain, and patch content. Sigil will also be handling customer support. And Microsoft, well... Microsoft will just continue to dump money into attempts at breaking into the Japanese market with the 360.Note:MS couldn't buy SoE as Sony and MS have roughly a grillion dollars

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well you may be right, i don't know if ms could actually buy out sony but i was just trying to prove a point that ms indeed has way more money and power than sony.

my point is even if soe wasn't publishing for sigil what would stop them or ms from buying them out? i just think this is a huge over reaction for the most part as i admit i over reacted at first.

other than the fact that some people refuse to give soe their money (understandably) i don't see why people are freaking out so much because this isn't an soe game it is a sigil game, sigil is still making this game and not soe....that is the bottom line.

bennylong

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Originally posted by Morneblade

I think a mojor difference between MS and SOE when they see problems in a game is that MS will dump it, while SOE will rework it from the groud up. MS canned their first MMO, Mythica about a year ago, and it was a huge shock to everyone, since it looked so damn good. SOmething was not going they way they wanted, so they closed up shop. Since Sigil, was not in their control, they might have done the next best thing and get rid of it, either way, they tend to cut their losses.
SOE on the other hand will try and re-invent a game as many times as they need to. Just something to look for in the future.

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SOE is still keeping EQOA alive. No expansion in 2 years

Morneblade

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SOE is still keeping EQOA alive. No expansion in 2 years

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And?

Guess they felt no need to re-invent it then.

Now, lets look at their other games......

Evelknievel

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Originally posted by Seloth

Originally posted by n2sooners
Big problem with that is SOE isn't funding the game. SOE doesn't like how it is going and tries to change the game, Brad just dumps them the same way he dumped MS (except that he doesn't even have to bother buying them out because he owns all rights).

hrm...

SoE is running the servers...nope no control issues there....

SoE is the customer service for the game....still no control issues there...

SoE is the people managing the subscriptions....there is no power in the accounting, your right...

SoE is the distributor of the game...no power is a the supply channel is there? 'course not.

I honestly hope that this game does turn out okay, you all deserve a wonderful experience. I think you all are wearing blinders about SoE, but that is the wonderful thing about forums, we can all express opinions and disagree.

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BINGO!

Goodluck to all that decide to play this game, if not, we will share fond memories how SOE screwed another mmo community up due to the mighty $$.

Give my regards to Sigil and Smed..