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Check this out: deleted after 30 seconds off the SOE boards (screenshots)
Pjay2k
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I just got 2 screenshots of SOE forum post:
something nice to think about, posted by a angry customer of star wars galaxies:
part1: http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=412803
part2: http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=412971
it's a nice post which stuck with me.
I know exaclty what the poster of this message means, and it really seems like SOE got 1 developer left who does the whole work for star wars galaxies and in the other hand Blizzards World of Warcraft got a army of coders who work on new addons, expansions, features and so so on.
6 million WoW players simply can't be wrong and if you never played world of warcraft before, it's time to give it now a try, since they released tons of new stuff for it.
(btw: the post above got deleted directly a few seconds after she posted it on the boards. (no "moved", "trolling" or something else, straight deleted without a trace")
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies:
Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
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probably banned too..
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies:
Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
well I think if you really want to show your protest against SOE you have to subscribe for World of Warcraft.
SOE copies it, they duplicate elements of World of Warcraft for Star Wars Galaxies, they use 9 professsions for SWG just like the 9 classes in WoW.
the list goes on and on.
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies:
Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
Even to old SWG vets, it's mostly about a game. And sticking with a single one for too long can mess with your mind. WoW may be mainstream, but at least it turns out to be accesible. And even if there is no end-game content, or it's purely grind oriented, everyone will gladly confirm that even in present state, it has 6 months of content easily. Seriously, 6 months is a long time.
The ammount of people who look at 5+ years MMOs is very small, and this is why pre-cu won't be coming back. Sure, there's some that are willing to put years into a game, but apart from a few hard-core fans of the game itself, the money is elsewhere (and no, NGE is not it).
And this is all it comes down to, finding the sweet spot between too long and too short. WoW apparently succeeded.
Personally, I'm put off with the whole level concept, but I could probably find a few months of amusement.
But no matter what, it's the community that makes the MMOs. Nothing more. They are all complete crap from playability or gameplay perspective, laging years in all aspects. But as soon as you get involved with others, you get a sense of belonging.
Can't really do that with SWG anymore, there's just not enough people left, to find your appropriate clique.
From those 2 screenies it just looks like a thread, but nothing demonstrating the deletion. Not that I don't believe you or anything, but I'm just curious as to what exactly happens when u try to access a deleted thread.
-virtual tourist
want your game back?
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
LMFAO! An army of coders who do what, exactly? Think up new coffee mug and T-shirt logos to sell in their online store because god knows they don't have enough money yet?? Blizzard is a joke. By now they should have come out with 2 expansions and fixed the lame PVP. Instead, they have no expansions and the same cruddy game I chewed through all the content of 6 months ago. Barf.
/rant
WoW is just like a standard right now. It's not really that exciting for people who played SWG pre-CU, but it's polished enough and it has so many players that it just holds me off until the next big MMO or gaming thing comes along.
I tend to think that's the silent sentiment of a lot of WoW players atm. When another game as polished (or better) than WoW comes along, I think WoW's going to lose a LOT of subs. It'll be as Raph Koster theorized: once major social network leaders (I broaden his statement considerably; he only referred to "guildmasters") head out and into the other games, many will follow.
There are already cracks in the ice from Blizzard's complacency, and I think pretty soon we'll start hearing about Blizzard suffering losses in subscriptions.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I absolutely detest high fantasy settings, should I still do this?
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
I absolutely detest high fantasy settings, should I still do this?
-d
If this is a serious question, then yes, i would recomend trying Wow. If not just because its become quite a pop phenomenon, just to see what the hype is about. I was literly blown away by how many quest npc's there are and how they all tie together in all different areas, I was seriously intimidated at how much there was to do.
It will hold your attention, but has no where near the depth or community that swg had, but its worth trying imo, just to see what an actual, working mmo can be like.
and if you dont like fantasy, i would recomend rolling horde, just because you can kill stupid elves and gnomes. and the undead race rox0rz and I've always enjoyed the horde questing territories alot more then alliance ( the barrens anyone?
For the Horde!
LMFAO! An army of coders who do what, exactly? Think up new coffee mug and T-shirt logos to sell in their online store because god knows they don't have enough money yet?? Blizzard is a joke. By now they should have come out with 2 expansions and fixed the lame PVP. Instead, they have no expansions and the same cruddy game I chewed through all the content of 6 months ago. Barf.
/rant
It's this kind of mindset that made swg what it is today.
It is refreshing to see a game that focuses on getting bugs fixed promptly, keeping classes competitive with each other, and THEN adding more content. And its not like this expansion is the first new content they've added, there have been several new dungeons added with patches.
We played swg, we all know how fun bugged content is. Im glad blizzards army is working on keeping the quality alive, because that is what sets it apart from other mmo's.
For the Horde!
It's not about being unable to produce one sooner, but they launch it whan subscription numbers start to dip and fall by a certain percentage, or when the sales slow down.
Never forget, that WoW builds on status (raids, items, rank), and that is the only thing you retain after you're done with static content. And that is what keeps people playing. This is the core attraction for them so far, and it'll stay that way, since all who went this way, found some apeal in it.
And no, WoW won't last forever. But it's not there yet, the expansions and additions will start rolling out soon enough. They will be then followed by another trial, and given the age, they'll start getting in a new generation of gamers.
I believe that they are quite safe till the sci-fi genres come out, that promise to offer a true difference.
Oh, and, do not take SWG as a comparison for polish. All new AAA MMO titles that are coming out are polished. The era of old, hacked together minigames that formed original MMOs are over. While many people that played before consider bugs to be a normal part of MMOs, that is no longer the case with WoW generation. They are used to having a playable game from day one.
One major danger comes from a WoW-like game, that will remove queues, instancing and insane raiding requirements. These are the core issues of WoW, that disapeal to majority of players (IMHO).
I absolutely detest high fantasy settings, should I still do this?
-d
If this is a serious question, then yes, i would recomend trying Wow. If not just because its become quite a pop phenomenon, just to see what the hype is about. I was literly blown away by how many quest npc's there are and how they all tie together in all different areas, I was seriously intimidated at how much there was to do.
It will hold your attention, but has no where near the depth or community that swg had, but its worth trying imo, just to see what an actual, working mmo can be like.
and if you dont like fantasy, i would recomend rolling horde, just because you can kill stupid elves and gnomes. and the undead race rox0rz and I've always enjoyed the horde questing territories alot more then alliance ( the barrens anyone?
I'm also quite sick of the fantasy genre, but I'm gonna give WoW a try... And I'll follow your advice and go Horde, so I can kill damn elves! Is there a free trial for WoW?
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Sorry, I tried WoW.... several times... as recently as 2 months ago. It is an 'ok' MMORPG but I still am baffled why people pay them a monthly fee when there are far better MMORPG's out there. It's polished but the graphics are sub-par, imo, even with them maxxed out they blur and look like crap if you zoom in. They don't have bump mapping... the per-pixel shading is sub-par and to top it all off I *HATE* *DETEST* *ABHOR* playing in cartoonland. Sorry... went on a rant there. I detest WoW's graphics and anyone who's heard me praise just about every other MMORPG on the market for it's graphics style, quality or both knows that's rare for me.
I just don't like cartoon looking graphics in an MMORPG, they drag me out of the game and ruin the immersion.
That's probably why I hate WoW
I can't get past the graphics to really get into the game.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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I absolutely detest high fantasy settings, should I still do this?
-d
If this is a serious question, then yes, i would recomend trying Wow. If not just because its become quite a pop phenomenon, just to see what the hype is about. I was literly blown away by how many quest npc's there are and how they all tie together in all different areas, I was seriously intimidated at how much there was to do.
It will hold your attention, but has no where near the depth or community that swg had, but its worth trying imo, just to see what an actual, working mmo can be like.
and if you dont like fantasy, i would recomend rolling horde, just because you can kill stupid elves and gnomes. and the undead race rox0rz and I've always enjoyed the horde questing territories alot more then alliance ( the barrens anyone?
I'm also quite sick of the fantasy genre, but I'm gonna give WoW a try... And I'll follow your advice and go Horde, so I can kill damn elves! Is there a free trial for WoW?
I'm sorry to hear that
I absolutely detest high fantasy settings, should I still do this?
-d
If this is a serious question, then yes, i would recomend trying Wow. If not just because its become quite a pop phenomenon, just to see what the hype is about. I was literly blown away by how many quest npc's there are and how they all tie together in all different areas, I was seriously intimidated at how much there was to do.
It will hold your attention, but has no where near the depth or community that swg had, but its worth trying imo, just to see what an actual, working mmo can be like.
and if you dont like fantasy, i would recomend rolling horde, just because you can kill stupid elves and gnomes. and the undead race rox0rz and I've always enjoyed the horde questing territories alot more then alliance ( the barrens anyone?
I'm also quite sick of the fantasy genre, but I'm gonna give WoW a try... And I'll follow your advice and go Horde, so I can kill damn elves! Is there a free trial for WoW?
I'm sorry to hear that
Well... I'm actually sorry too. But I'm gonna take a break from EVE, and I'm so drained of hope for SWG that I'm thinking about leaving these forums. So I might as well just give in and see for myself what the "buzz" is about.
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
The whole FPS aproach to SWG makes all the graphics pointless, since majority of people will be running 2-7 FPS, with minimum possible details. Add to that the 2 gig memory requirements, and you put a lot of people off. With a modern graphics card you can max out your details (at the expense of doubling the RAM requirements and quadrupling load times), but the frame rate stil fluctuates like crazy.
Shaders and bump mapping are cool, but none of the integrated graphics cards support them. They don't even support hardware TnL, which is a disaster for most modern games.
This is also a major factor when it comes to SWG. For what it offers, its system requirements are absurd. The graphics are "decent", but nothing to write home about. Most of the new games have higher resolution textures, considerably more detailed models, and make better use of shaders. While the people with low-end systems will still suffer, at least it becomes worthwile for those with semi-modern cards to play without problems.
SWG also uses (quite poorly) volumetric shadows, which not only have tons of issues, but also tend to look ugly in many cases, whereas there are plenty of better (visually) methods, which are much cheaper to calculate.
Unfortunately, frame rate falls under one of the unmentioned issues. It's a user experience thing, which most users incorrectly report as lag. In most cases, it doesn't get even mentioned when testing for playability, and people will report all kind of problems, which all have common cause in low framerates. And this is where the polish comes from. Having time to look at little details like that, which don't get tossed around in forums, and resolving the roots of the problem, not just patching the facade.
LMFAO! An army of coders who do what, exactly? Think up new coffee mug and T-shirt logos to sell in their online store because god knows they don't have enough money yet?? Blizzard is a joke. By now they should have come out with 2 expansions and fixed the lame PVP. Instead, they have no expansions and the same cruddy game I chewed through all the content of 6 months ago. Barf.
/rant
But you did play it right? 6 months to go through the content is what your saying? If so they a major step above SWG. 4 years of developement and it takes me less then a month to go through SWG's content.
Kai
MMO's aren't FPS's you cant have 5-7K poly characters running around with 512 headmaps and 1024 body maps. You're looking more along the lines of 1.5-2k polys 3 MAX with multiple 256 to 512 maps for different armor variations. Armor types and weapons are looking at around 100-200 polys on the high side with 128 maps most likely.
I think it's highly refreshing that Blizz went with hand panted textures when more and more people are using photosourcing. They put the art back into games with a very unique style that I personally dig. Being an art asset creator I probably have a very different perspective then you on this, and obviously different artistic styles will appeal to different people. But the art in WoW isn't "junk", it's very well executed and consistant.
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SWG - 1st Gen MBH (Closed)
EVE (Closed)
WoW (61 Orc Hunter - Blackwing Lair)
GuildWars (Boring...)
MMO's aren't FPS's you cant have 5-7K poly characters running around with 512 headmaps and 1024 body maps. You're looking more along the lines of 1.5-2k polys 3 MAX with multiple 256 to 512 maps for different armor variations. Armor types and weapons are looking at around 100-200 polys on the high side with 128 maps most likely.
I think it's highly refreshing that Blizz went with hand panted textures when more and more people are using photosourcing. They put the art back into games with a very unique style that I personally dig. Being an art asset creator I probably have a very different perspective then you on this, and obviously different artistic styles will appeal to different people. But the art in WoW isn't "junk", it's very well executed and consistant.
I agree wholeheartedly. You may not like the style of wow, but you cant say the art is bad. That was one of my main gripes about it, the cartoniness, until i stopped comparing it to swg and let it become its own world.
For the Horde!