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What a disaster
bareshdraco
Member Posts: 54
Just read the news about soe getting its grubby mitts onto Vanguard, and I am totally gutted.
After the SWG debacle, I am finished completely with SOE and LA, and was pinning my hopes on vanguard to be the no1 game available. Now, I see it never reaching the potential it promised.
Sigil just lost themselves my business, I won't touch anything that SOE are involved in.
I only hope this game now bombs big time to prove everything SOE touch turns to crap.
Age of Conan anyone??
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*sigh*......come on lol there are 100 topics on this, at least post on the SOE and Sigil Thread.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!! this is OLD!
"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
Yep, a real shame. This game was looking good, but now that SOE are involved its ruined already. They have a very bad reputation for a reason which is the fact they mess up every MMO they touch.
Just look at what happened to star wars galaxies and Matrix online, both HUGE licenced games with a large audience that SOE still managed to totaly screw up and wipe out the player base
Take advance from people who have played other SOE run games, avoid them like the plague. They are THE worst online gaming company on the planet.
SOE bought matrix online once their makers found that the game was a failure. Since then they have tried to improve it.
It gets really frustrating when people come and whine the whole time about the Sigil/SOE deal.
I am not against that people dislike or hate SOE, but those who come and post that they won't touch any game related in any way to SOE better not post here at all.
Explorer 93%
Achiever 46%
Socializer 33%
Killer 26%
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Check in your house. . .do you own anything Sony? I bet you do. . .there you go...better throw your TV/anything Sony owned out the window, you just gave them money.
Total time played: 9125 Days, 21 Hours, 29 Minutes, 27 Seconds
Time played this level: 39 Days, 1 Hour, 24 Minutes, 5 Seconds
Do you people realize that this is the first game SOE is involved in that they AREN'T making game decisions on? Eq/Eq2/Matrix/SWG were all partly or fully created by SOE or a part of SOE from day one.
Vanguard is not. It's created by Sigil, SOE just handles OUT OF GAME things. I know this is a VERY hard fact for you all to grasp, but it's true. So if you hate SOE games, and don't want to play SOE games, then don't, Vanguard isn't a SOE game, it's Sigil, and if/when SOE takes control (against the contract between Sigil and SOE if you've done some research) then you can say SOE screwed it up, but if from day one it sucks, it's all on Sigil, not SOE. Doubt you'll be smart enough to realize such a thing though.
You folks will just have to live and learn about SOE.. And thats all I gotta say about that..
NEPA
What if Vanguard doesn't get a perfect start? Anarchy Online had a rubbish start and now it's a classic. What happens if the money runs out, will SOE have nothing to do with the game then?
What if Vanguard doesn't get a perfect start? Anarchy Online had a rubbish start and now it's a classic. What happens if the money runs out, will SOE have nothing to do with the game then?
If Vanguard doesn't get a perfect start sigil would have to do whatever they need to ensure the payment to their investors. It could range from a loan to sell the company. That would be Sigil's decision. SOE would have to wait and see, they may offer brad and co a solution to their problems, that could range from a contract to develop another game to a offer for the game or the company itself. EA could give brad and co an offer for the company...
We dont know, and probably nobody does.
You folks will just have to live and learn about SOE.. And thats all I gotta say about that..
Jesus christ man, learn to read. EQ/SWG/ etc etc all the games that were "wrecked" by SOE WERE MADE FULLY BY OR IN PART BY SOE. THIS GAME IS NOT. This is a TOTALLY different case. Get that into your head. There is nothing to learn because THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BY SOE.
Out of all the whiney drama queens I've seen one person who actually realized the difference, and that persons avoid Sony completely, not just SOE. Rest think this is the same as the other games.
SOE are well known for making massive game changes, for better or worse people don't like it, and a lot people don't like SOE. Take a look at the boards on games from Auto Assult to Saga of Ryzom and you'll find a post asking how many ex-SWG players there are.
There is more than one way SOE could end up with Vanguard, or not. Some people don't wanna take the chance, others just don't want to give SOE any money at all.
I doubt it will really have that much effect in the long run, I just think that they mis-judged how much people hated SOE around here.
SOE are well known for making massive game changes, for better or worse people don't like it, and a lot people don't like SOE. Take a look at the boards on games from Auto Assult to Saga of Ryzom and you'll find a post asking how many ex-SWG players there are.
There is more than one way SOE could end up with Vanguard, or not. Some people don't wanna take the chance, others just don't want to give SOE any money at all.
I doubt it will really have that much effect in the long run, I just think that they mis-judged how much people hated SOE around here.
SGW... that's the only thing you SOE haters talk about... SWG was a HUGE mistake, they should have polished it more before release. Or they should have made it an EQ in the space or a MMO FPS like planetside. The fact is SWG died the day SOE released it.
SOE just made what they thought was the best thing to increase the player base, they made a mistake... but it's not like they lost a lot... SWG player base was expendable due to it's small size.
You mean like EQ, MXO and many other titles not "made by SoE" but ruined to no end only by "running them" ?
You young peoples need to learn, that the "IDEA" of something isnt worth any penny - its the "OPERATION" of it. And THIS is done by SOE.
Learn that and come back.
Claude
The Matrix online was originally developed by Monolith and published by Warner Bros. and Sega. SOE aquired operating rights in July 2005 in hope of improving the success that the game had seen (very little).
So there you have it. A little research goes a long way and, in 10 minutes, I have totally confounded your first sentence argument. SOE (originally SISA) actually started the process of making EQ, Verant just finished it. When SOE took over the Matrix the game was already suffering.
As for your second sentence, you old peoples need to realise that SOE have no say in the operation of Vanguard. If they have anything to add they will suggest it to Sigil, but Sigil, ultimately, have the choice of what to do gamewise. All SOE are doing is promoting the game, distributing the game, hosting the servers and offering technical support; all under instruction from Sigil. Sigil are handling everything else, including game design, content addition, patching and customer service. This has been said a hundred times before, why can you not grasp it?
Learn that and come back.
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Uhmm....i think everyone knows that already, thanks anway for your little history lesson.
But pardon me, what is your point again?
Its not changing anything said so far, and the facts remain.
So you just like hear yourself babbling? OK - but put a disclaimer in next time...
Thank you.
Claude
SOE just made what they thought was the best thing to increase the player base, they made a mistake... but it's not like they lost a lot... SWG player base was expendable due to it's small size.
Please don't make me laugh.
The mess that is SWG not good enough for you? Ask how the old skool EQ players felt about EQ after SOE got their claws all the way into it, or how about asking how people felt about them killing Planetside when they gave us BFRs. How about the fact that EQ2 had to have a combat upgrade within a year of the game being released or the desperate changing to make the game more like Warcraft while still managing to miss the reason why Warcraft was a massive hit in the first place?
The POINT is that which ever main SOE title you pick, SOE have made MASSIVE changes. I don't doubt that some are needed, I like EQ2 how it is and play it as one of my main MMOs but the fact that a MMO less than a year old needed a huge change to combat, and then AGAIN only a few months ago to change the classes is a utter joke.
It doesn't matter if you like or even think the changes to the above games are needed they split the playerbase of their games over and over again and THAT is bad. In the case of EQ2 we're also talking about a brand new game that THEY made in the first place, not something the picked up like The Martix.
Before someone posts again that "SOE have no say over Vanguard" (and I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here) what is said here and now can be a very very different story a year from now for many different reasons. Or not, the point is that a lot of people here don't want to take the chance.
I will be though, I'll be one of the first in Vanguard.
SOE just made what they thought was the best thing to increase the player base, they made a mistake... but it's not like they lost a lot... SWG player base was expendable due to it's small size.
Please don't make me laugh.
The mess that is SWG not good enough for you? Ask how the old skool EQ players felt about EQ after SOE got their claws all the way into it, or how about asking how people felt about them killing Planetside when they gave us BFRs. How about the fact that EQ2 had to have a combat upgrade within a year of the game being released or the desperate changing to make the game more like Warcraft while still managing to miss the reason why Warcraft was a massive hit in the first place?
The POINT is that which ever main SOE title you pick, SOE have made MASSIVE changes. I don't doubt that some are needed, I like EQ2 how it is and play it as one of my main MMOs but the fact that a MMO less than a year old needed a huge change to combat, and then AGAIN only a few months ago to change the classes is a utter joke.
It doesn't matter if you like or even think the changes to the above games are needed they split the playerbase of their games over and over again and THAT is bad. In the case of EQ2 we're also talking about a brand new game that THEY made in the first place, not something the picked up like The Martix.
Before someone posts again that "SOE have no say over Vanguard" (and I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here) what is said here and now can be a very very different story a year from now for many different reasons. Or not, the point is that a lot of people here don't want to take the chance.
I will be though, I'll be one of the first in Vanguard.
I played EQ for years and only once i felt betrayed by soe, when they were going to release OoW, and they reacted and delayed the expansion, and decided to not use the "alien" theme again and kill the wayfarer's brotherwood for good.
I dont care about SWG, they made a huge mistake with the release, SWG was an abortion, an abomination of the mmog market. The NGE was a stupid atempt to capture new players that went very wrong.
I dont care about EQ2 either, i've heard that SOE has improved the game a lot, and now is a good game. Im not interested right now, maybe once they release vanguard i will get a station access account to play it, but right now im not interested.
SOE as a developing company lacks vision, they dont have a definite path for their games and because that their games suffer. Sigil is following a vision, is the owner of the Vanguard ip, publishing rights and almost everything Vanguard related.
I dont like SOE, but they are not the empire, Smedley is not Darth Smedley and you are not the rebel alliance. Sigil is a company that want the best for their games, but due to a poor vision they fail making and maintaining their own IPs.
Vanguard is not owned by SOE.
I can't help but to laugh at these posts. I don't see the rationalization in avoiding Vanguard because of SWG. I agree that SOE made a huge mistake with SGW, but I still play Everquest and Everquest II, which have been OK as far as development decisions by SOE.
But the thing that really gets me, and I'll never understand, is why someone would avoid Vanguard based on this, because SOE has nothing to do with the development of the game, only in it's marketing, distribution and tech support .
Sure, you can say that eventually, SOE will take over. Who knows if that's true? All we know right now is that Microsoft wanted things a little differently, so Sigil bought their rights to publish back from them. SOE was interested in partnering with Sigil to take on this role, and Brad and Sigil are now able to complete the game, following their vision and making it exactly like they planned.
So what's the problem?
Vanguard is not owned by SOE.
Go back. Read my post. I don't give a crap about SOE, I'll be playing Vanguard and I'll be one of the first there.
Oh and you're right Vanguard isn't owned by SOE oh and a development house has never ever been bourght out by a publishing house when they havn't made their targets... Oh wait... yes they have.