The Davinci code(Now that it's released)

noname12345

It's people like these who are hypocrites because at the sametime they can't prove the Bible as truth.

I could at the sametime put this on a pickethttp://www.ebolaworld.com/blog/images/bible.jpg
 and prance around but i'm not afraid of Christians or their belief. If I said I was angry at Christians for their belief then I would have to ask myself "why?", then I would have to ask "what part of Christianity are you afraid of?", and I would say "nothing". So what are these Christians afraid of? Then you have to say how could these Christians be afraid of this movie with "God on their side"?

lardmouth

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Originally posted by upallnight

I get told I'm going to hell all the time by christians for being gay.

Have you ever seen those "haunted houses" around at Halloween?  Go in one of those.  Tell them you're a proud gay man right before you go in though.  Then they'll put extra lighter fluid on the flames for you.  You'll see what I'm talking about.  

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Really?  How often do christians tell you you're going to hell?  Like on average per year.  Just an estimate.  Why would you use the haunted houses as an example?   That's purposefully choosing a subset of christians and then using them as the example for the majority of christians.  Oh, I do agree, most christians will view homosexuality as a sin.  But, in my experience most christians would refrain from divine judgement.

lardmouth

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Originally posted by AlexAmore

It's people like these who are hypocrites because at the sametime they can't prove the Bible as truth.

I could at the sametime put this on a pickethttp://www.ebolaworld.com/blog/images/bible.jpg
 and prance around but i'm not afraid of Christians or their belief. If I said I was angry at Christians for their belief then I would have to ask myself "why?", then I would have to ask "what part of Christianity are you afraid of?", and I would say "nothing". So what are these Christians afraid of? Then you have to say how could these Christians be afraid of this movie with "God on their side"?

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And now you sound as riled up and angry as those christians.  Please stop with the fear stuff.  That's psychobabble.  There are many, many instances in life were anger doesn't originate out of fear.  Any muslim that peacefully boycotted and/or protested the cartoon image of the prophet, gets my respect.  Same with these christians.  I applaud and celebrate this type of behavior.   It's a heck of alot better then civil war and terroristic acts.  On the other extreme, it's also better than a society where everyone's apathetic and there  isn't this civil expression of ideas and debate.  In the end, people will make up their own minds about seeing this movie or not.  On a personal note, his book Angels and Demons was just to...flimsy, for me to move on to Da vinci Code.   The dialouge was cheesy and the plot was really thin.  Only reason why I don't check the movie out myself.

noname12345

I'm not against protest. You also seem to always forget I mention censorship.

lardmouth

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Originally posted by AlexAmore
I'm not against protest. You also seem to always forget I mention censorship.

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I'm responding to your post containing a picture of a protestor.  Which is why I didn't discuss censorship.  As far as censorship in other countries.  Not my problem.  Those citizens will have to deal with that through thier government.  Nothing I can do about that.  I did a quick search regarding censorship of the movie.  Mind you, I said a quick search.  I'm only seeing middle eastern countries.   And, not at all surprising that they'd censor movies.  Though, they're not really represenative of christian countries censoring the movie.  Not saying there aren't any.  It's just not a priority for me to spend any more time on. 

Aldaron

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Originally posted by AlexAmore

I'm unqualified!? You never read or watched the book/movie!

And that has to do with making philosophical statements how? Yes, that's right, it doesn't.

Anyways yes fear is underlying cause for anger even if its subconsciously.

Prove it.

Actually some emotions can lead to negative side effects. When you have emotions you release chemicals in your brain that goes through your whole body and can make you physically ill. Just energy of thought can kill a plant (proven).

Plants' also have fear - Pretty interesting, eh?

Anyhow, this has nothing to do with a health of a person; it has to do with the philosophical aspect of emotions.

For example, there was a case of a woman who brutally murdered a couple people - And by brutal, we're talking about maiming the corpse(s) after their dead.

This lady experienced multiple orgasms through the course of the murder. Now an orgasm is a natural occurence that is suppose to happen during intercourse, and with it is a natural mechanism to release certain chemicals in the body - Which would be something akin to endorphins and other chemicals which for the most part are quite healthy and good for you.

So whether or not certain thoughts are "healthy"(matter of perspective), it has nothing to do with the good or evil aspects of the emotion.

Because fear is the underlying factor.

I was speaking of your example of death and a belief of eternal life - Which has it's underlying cause in fear, and does not develop into anger(in most cases) - Which would bring to a conclusion that it was a rather nonsensical example.

I was comparing it with an opposite factor

Not necessarily - The mother could of been afflicted with fear of loss rooting from the emotion of love and attachment to as said child.

Of course that is a very biased source (The place you heard it from).

Biased? Life is full of bias - Although by your use of the word you're probably speaking of some prejudice based on personal opinion centering the controversy surrounding it - Which in that case, no.

I've heard it from many different people, many different places - And they were merely a critic who had no mentality to create a prejudice against the book based on it's controversial subject.

Unqualified assumption.

Yah...Maybe you're right. I don't personally know the easter bunny, so I guess it's kind of unfair of me to compare him to Dan Brown.

Unqualified assumption

Your age is starting to most scathingly appear upon your posts... Geez - You sound like a child repeating a one line of words in the most annoying manner possible because you either are losing an argument, or have nothing better to say.

I would think you're one of those nitwits who think the Bible is fact!

Why, yes, I am.

So you no longer need to think, now you know.

Unqualified assumption.

Endlessly prattling these one liners really does nothing for the quality of your arguments.

I was talking from a jews perspective which you guys have adopted.

Anyways you have never read or seen the movie and i'm sure all your opinions have come a Christian's perspective, even if thats not true there is really no reason to argue...you have nothing to argue against either as you have not read or seen The Da Vinci Code.

I was never speaking of the Da Vinci Code - I don't care if people see it, it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg - I was speaking of the controversy surrounding it - Which I would of thought you'd have known, considering it was in rebut to what you said.

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noname12345

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Originally posted by lardmouth

Originally posted by AlexAmore
I'm not against protest. You also seem to always forget I mention censorship.

I'm responding to your post containing a picture of a protestor.  Which is why I didn't discuss censorship.  As far as censorship in other countries.  Not my problem.  Those citizens will have to deal with that through thier government.  Nothing I can do about that.  I did a quick search regarding censorship of the movie.  Mind you, I said a quick search.  I'm only seeing middle eastern countries.   And, not at all surprising that they'd censor movies.  Though, they're not really represenative of christian countries censoring the movie.  Not saying there aren't any.  It's just not a priority for me to spend any more time on. 

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"Christian leaders across Asia denounced The Da Vinci Code, fearful that the movie may spread misinformation about their religion, as groups planned boycotts and attempted to block or shorten screenings ahead of its debut Wednesday."
"Christians in Asia are particularly worried about the movie because they believe it could threaten a religion that is already a minority in many countries."
http://www.christianpost.com/article/asia/958/14|28/asia.christian.leaders.denounce.%5Cda.vinci.code%5C/1.htm

"Bowing to pressure from Christian groups, the Indian government has decided to review federal censors' permission for the screening of The Da Vinci Code movie in India."

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=122&id=3622

I was mistaken about how many countries were censoring it. Doesn't matter, the fact is Christians want it censored, apparently they feel their religion isn't very strong. Otherwise I think Christians would be fine. No? Like that Christian post above said they are "fearful" and "worried".

noname12345

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Originally posted by Aldaron

Originally posted by AlexAmore
Anyways yes fear is underlying cause for anger even if its subconsciously.

Prove it.

"Remember that anger stems from fear and a sense of helplessness. Some important value or goal is threatened and you feel that you are losing control of the situation. You may not want to admit feeling hurt or fear. (You may think such an admission is a sign of weakness.) Yet these are the underlying feelings that will help you identify which values and goals are being threatened. "

"As a psychologist who has seen hundreds of clients"

http://www.csulb.edu/~tstevens/b-anger.htm

"Remember that anger stems from fear and a sense of helplessness. Some important value or goal is threatened and you feel that you are losing control of the situation. You may not want to admit feeling hurt or fear. (You may think such an admission is a sign of weakness.) Yet these are the underlying feelings that will help you identify which values and goals are being threatened. "

"As a psychologist who has seen hundreds of clients"

http://www.csulb.edu/~tstevens/b-anger.htm

Plants' also have fear - Pretty interesting, eh?

Maybe if plants have similar brain inner-workings like an animal (human included).

About the chemicals and stuff. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1022317287422673112 Great doc about all types of stuff mostly brain/emotion related. All these people have a couple Ph.Ds lol....

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lardmouth

I just don't get it Alex.  You admitted that you were wrong about how widespread christian censorship of this movie is, but you still seem bent on projecting the will of a few onto the majority of christians.  No, I don't believe that anything close to the majority of christians would use thier governments to squash this flim.  I do, however, believe many (perhaps even a majority) will be very vocal about their view of this film.  So what?  It doesn't mean they fear the film at all.  Yes, I saw 'fearful' and 'worried.'  But, were talking about a few compared to many.  By the way, both India and China did end up allowing the movie to play.

noname12345

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Originally posted by lardmouth

I just don't get it Alex.  You admitted that you were wrong about how widespread christian censorship of this movie is,
Wasn't the backbone of my argument but it does support it. They were trying to get it, and this isn't a government discussion about whether they did or not.

but you still seem bent on projecting the will of a few onto the majority of christians.  No, I don't believe that anything close to the majority of christians would use thier governments to squash this flim.  I do, however, believe many (perhaps even a majority) will be very vocal about their view of this film.  So what?  It doesn't mean they fear the film at all.
Yes they have said they are fearful of other people taking it as truth and calling it lies when they have a book that could just as easily be called lies. How does a FAITH call an opposing view a LIE??????????????????????? Again logic tells us people for the most part don't walk on water and turn water to wine and such. Logic tells us loving people (Jesus for example) fall in love with other people (Mary for example) and have children to love and take care of because its a natural human function to carry on life. Jesus's message was one of love and whats a more loving thing to do besides love and nurture children and take care of a wife?

Yes, I saw 'fearful' and 'worried.'  But, were talking about a few compared to many.
Where did you see "few"?
 
By the way, both India and China did end up allowing the movie to play.

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lardmouth

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Originally posted by AlexAmore

Where did you see "few"?
 

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What?....

noname12345

Did you mean "we're" as a opposed to "were"?

lardmouth

We're.

noname12345

Oh. Well i'll take your word and the rest of the people on the forum then. In that case that's all I can do. I believe you guys aren't really invested in whatever happens with the movie. I was mostly talking about Christianity overall, but its pretty big generalization and we all know that doesn't count for everyone.

sneth

needed more of the symbology that was in the book. It didnt seem as believeable on the screen.....

Aldaron

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Originally posted by AlexAmore

"Remember that anger stems from fear and a sense of helplessness. Some important value or goal is threatened and you feel that you are losing control of the situation. You may not want to admit feeling hurt or fear. (You may think such an admission is a sign of weakness.) Yet these are the underlying feelings that will help you identify which values and goals are being threatened. "

"As a psychologist who has seen hundreds of clients"

http://www.csulb.edu/~tstevens/b-anger.htm

"Remember that anger stems from fear and a sense of helplessness. Some important value or goal is threatened and you feel that you are losing control of the situation. You may not want to admit feeling hurt or fear. (You may think such an admission is a sign of weakness.) Yet these are the underlying feelings that will help you identify which values and goals are being threatened. "

"As a psychologist who has seen hundreds of clients"

http://www.csulb.edu/~tstevens/b-anger.htm

I said prove it - Not bring up some psycho-babbler's website.

I'll admit that certain fears can bring us to a state of anger - Mostly in cases of desperation revolving around fears.

But if you honestly think that all anger revolves around fear, then you just do not understand the simple nuances of the complexity of human emotion in - even - everyday life.

About the chemicals and stuff. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1022317287422673112 Great doc about all types of stuff mostly brain/emotion related. All these people have a couple Ph.Ds lol....

I've heard of that video; I'll check it out later when I have more time to spare.

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