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Five weeks to lvl 50 and I'm done
94Z07
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I played DAoC for about six months starting the week it was released and left when my class took a serious nerf. Recently I gave it another look. I took a toon to lvl 50 and 700 in a trade skill. I only got to RR 2.9 tho.
I was an alb on one of the more populated servers and spent the last week I played in the frontier. I was disapointed to find that the RvR I remembered from long ago didn't exist any more. Maybe the Mids and Hibs are better but the Albs were all cowboys. Organization to them was 8v8. Nothing more complex. I saw BG's of 50 stopped by two FG's of Mids. I lay on the ground as cleric after cleric walked over me with no combat and no rez until my timer expired.
I like MMO's vs offline games for the people. SWG for example had all the content of North Dakota in winter but there were great ppl there who made up for it.
I can't say this is universily tru for DAoC but what I saw on my realm on my server when I played is that everyone wants to be a cowboy and 25 rp's mean more to them than taking a keep or defeating a whole group.
Many times I saw 10 or more players chase a single toon and abandon the keep we were either taking or defending.
BG's were used to spam for "LGM SC taking orders" or for people begging for information like "where is the action now?" "what is the plan?" with no answers coming.
Good luck cowboys I'm out.
I gave away my coins and gear and deleted before I canceled.
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I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Would you say it's fair to divide the number of accounts logged on by 1.3 or maybe even 1.5 to get the real number of people playing?
I simply wont play if it means I have to lvl a bot to get buffed.
People aren't totally dumb, they just don't know how to team up well. And admittingly, it's not an easy thing to teach.
The vets know whats up. Finding a good guild is everything. It's the best possible enterance to organized combat you can possibly have, since you can be confident that most of the people with you are like-minded. I don't think that military ranks are for everyone -- in fact, that approach is a big turn off to many -- but finding a good team is of the utmost importance.
And if ya can't find a good guild, and you know something is out of place, then try to make a guild. I've made guilds before in other games, and I can vouch for what an exhilirating experience and pain in the ass it is. Overall, though, if you're the one feeling that strategy and tactics are lacking, then making a guild is for you. You won't regret it.
-- xpaladin
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It doesn't help that the devs facilitate the 8v8 kind of behavior in a RvR game. Depending on your class you get next to nothing for spending an hour at a keep siege, but in the 2 minutes or less it takes to wipe a FG you get about 2000-2500 RPS. Makes no sense. They really need to quit claiming the game is about sieges.
You truly do have to find a decent guild to enjoy this game. Its no easy task, either. A lot of good guilds are closed recruiting, and only open when they lose people. I don't know how to find one. I really lucked out on mine. I've had RL friends try the game, and they just couldn't stick with it due to the boring and ridiculous amount of time it takes to level a toon to 50.
"Which class were you when the game released? Smite cleric? I don't remember any other classes getting nerfed that early in the game."
I was a Pac spec'd Midgard Healer.
This is exactly why I did not enjoy the Realm vs Realm combat. The name is completely misleading, very early on the mass organized assaults stopped and it turned into gank squads running around a zone. I loved it when it was large scale assaults and organized combat where people had roles to fill while in there, however when it turned into the small groups going around and cutting each other down it got just as mind-numbing as PvE so I just stuck with the PvE and had more fun.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I can't believe what I'm hearing, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. You must have played on a bad server. That's all I have to say. I play Hibernia Gareth and it is great. Even Midgard Gareth was great. Alb Gareth sucks, because they have the more immature community and more elitists pricks.
It's not hard finding a good guild if you know where to look. I've never had a hard time finding one. I check peoples guild tags that I group with if they are nice people, than I check the herald for more info and a link to the guilds website, than I apply.
The grind in DAoC is not bad at all compaired to any game out there, except for GW and the old SWG. It took me 2 weeks to get to lvl 46. If a month is too long for you to get to 50 than MMO's arent for you. The grind can be boring, but it can be fun if your doing it with a group of people that you enjoy being with. Again, to find these groups, you have to look. Don't expect everyone to make the effort for you. That's just being lazy.
RvR is what you make of it. If all you care about are Realm points, than you will be disappointed. If you actually care about your realm, you would be happy just hanging out with guildies or alliance buddies in RvR, whether you get RPs or not. I hate zerging and I'm not fond of roaming 8v8 groups either. I usually just take a tower and defend or siege a keep with the alliance. Relic raids are fun too. I'm not watching how many rps I get nor do I care. I play this game for the social interaction.
To be quite honest, if you loyalty lies where the rps are, than I am glad you are leaving. The elitists started out as people who cared about rps. They cared about rps so much, that they figured out how to min/max a group so that they can get the rps faster.
This is exactly why I did not enjoy the Realm vs Realm combat. The name is completely misleading, very early on the mass organized assaults stopped and it turned into gank squads running around a zone. I loved it when it was large scale assaults and organized combat where people had roles to fill while in there, however when it turned into the small groups going around and cutting each other down it got just as mind-numbing as PvE so I just stuck with the PvE and had more fun.
FAdeus, if you join a good guild that is in a good alliance you will experience the organized combat. Strategic and organized combat takes leadership. The Hell's Minions Alliance on Hib/Gareth have over 600+ members not counting alts, have several great leaders who organize the alliance and plan strategic assaults on the enemy realms and are always running Dragon Raids and other Raids for PvE. Another option if you dont have any leaders, is to become a leader and organize combat yourself. I'm a firm believer in fixing things before I cry about it. You can step up and lead if you want, instead of crying about no one leading RvR. If your not willing to lead the alliance, than how is it fair to expect others to do so?
I have never felt I was qualified enough in Camelot to lead and I never will. Just because I don't choose to do that does not mean I can't expect something more for the RvR in it. I never got past level 35 in the game and my sub has been off for over a year now however (almost 2 probably).
I also think it was rather low to accuse me of crying about something just because I gave a reason why I didn't like it. As far as I am concerned everything you said in your statement went out the window to me when you threw that in. However saying that because I am not willing to lead myself I can't expect anything better is abit silly to me as well.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
You don't "need" a guild to have fun in DAOC. Even when it first came out a Guild was entirely optional. A guild makes PVP a bit more fun and PVE raids more fun... but it's not required to have fun or to enjoy the game. Being in a guild is a good idea, not a requirement... as a new player I highly recommend staying in the starter guild till you learn the basics then joining a player guild once you figure things out and are somewhat self sufficient.
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Simply put, if you never got above level 35 then you really have no business commenting on RVR because, at 35, you really can't truely experience RVR... you're committing suicide if you go in the real frontiers at 35. At 35 all you could really experience are the BG's... which isn't anything at all like real RVR. No offense bro....
Trying to comment on RVR in DAOC when you never got above 35 is like a free trial player trying to complain about PVP in EVE. It's just not realistic to expect RVR to be fun when you're 15 levels below the people in real RVR. All a 35 could really experience is Battle Grounds... which are absolutely NOTHING like real RvR.
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Frontiers wasn't even implemented when I played. Or are you just speaking generally?
Yes I am quite sure I am not very qualified for several reasons. All I did was share my experience with it since you can begin RvR at 10 I beleive and it never did anything for me, drove me to Gaheris actually so technically speaking I never made it past level 15ish on a RvR server. So I am less qualified then before!
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Frontiers wasn't even implemented when I played. Or are you just speaking generally?
Yes I am quite sure I am not very qualified for several reasons. All I did was share my experience with it since you can begin RvR at 10 I beleive and it never did anything for me, drove me to Gaheris actually so technically speaking I never made it past level 15ish on a RvR server. So I am less qualified then before!
I'm sorry, Frontiers existed in the game since release. I went into them at level 20 exactly 1 week after release. NEW Frontiers (the unified all 1 zone frontiers) weren't released until about a year or so ago. But the fontiers (alb/mid/hib) were there since Beta phase 3.
About 6 months after release the BG's were implemented (15-19, 20-24 and 30-34).
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Ya, I just wasn't sure if you were referring to the free Frontiers expansion or the normal frontiers. That is why I asked if you were speaking generally...
I am so misunderstood!
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Ya, I just wasn't sure if you were referring to the free Frontiers expansion or the normal frontiers. That is why I asked if you were speaking generally...
I am so misunderstood!
It's ok
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Fadeus,
I think crying was a bit much, maybe complaining needlessly was a better word. However, I was quoting you but was speaking to all the people that were bashing the game.
I followed this thread for many days and stayed out of it, but the more people made complaints that would turn a newbie aways the more I felt I needed to step in. The way you all were complaining made it seem as if the whole game was the way you say it is.
Here is an example of an appropriate review for a game. This is actually true though. I played the EvE trial and didn't like it. I don't think it was a bad game and the community was really helpfull. The idea of not being able to ever set foot on the ground is one huge factor that drove me away. I also found the game to be very boring. I don't get into the mining or NPC missions. Does my opinion make this a bad game? NO. It just didn't do it for me.
Now I didn't really say one negative thing about EvE in my review of it. You all come on the DAoC boards and bash it with negative comments and reviews and not even telling people that it could be different on another realm or server, not to mention it could be different in another guild or alliance. On top of that, you never provided solutions you used to try and solve the problem. I'm a firm believer in not complaining unless you are willing to put forth the effort to solve the problem yourself.
Now this is to all of you reading this. If you absolutely cannot find a guild to join that suits your needs, solve that by creating a guild and inviting like minded individuals in it. If people are unorganized in RvR or in your PvE group, organize them. Am I expecting you to jump up and be good at leading right away? Hell no. I had to learn too and I hated having to be relyed upon to organize things, but I had to do it if I wanted to be justified in complaining when and if all my solutions didn't solve my problems in the game.
Simply put, I found several things to complain about in DAoC, but I kept them to myself. I left and came back and tried it again many times. Eventually I found a guild/alliance/realm/server I liked and have stayed put. If I don't like something, I try and change it. If you've done nothing to try to change it, no matter of your experience, than just shut it and stop complaining.
Thank you.