Dan Brown admits that he used ideas from all other books and did very little research himself. He also says the book is PURELY FICTION. The authors, there were three of them, also admit that Holy Blood, Holy Grail, is FICTION. How many times can people go over this. Go watch the History channel, they have half a dozen shows about it everyday.
Originally posted by Darraess Ok lets see what did the author do? He takes an extremely highly probable historical event and creates a story around it, why? well there is no doubt so he can make money. Is his work original? no it isn't Is his work based on historical facts? no it isn't But did it rise questions? and did it cause reactions? yes it did.
It is generaly accepted by now that Magdalene was not the rependant prostitute the Byzantine high clergy and rulers made her out to be, but was she an equal amongst men? hardly, the middle east culture was never known to treat women with respect not at the ancient time and not even now, so what was she? simple common sense answers that question and i believe she was Jesus's spouse.
So what is that the book has caused? First of all as far as the clergy is concerned by claiming JC had human desires of love and lust it refuses the divine spirit of him, and second and most important if he actually did have sex with a steady companion he also did have children as back at those times and those places pregnancy was not an unwelcome thing.
So there is a possibility someone on this planet somewhere carries Jesuc Christs DNA, secret societies and royal families throughout history claim their right to supremacy or elitisism because of their bloodline, there is no denying this and although the majority of people don't really give too much credit to them anymore they still hold ruling or important positions even today, so you see someone of JC's bloodline can not be allowed to exist.
The church Christian, Muslem or whatever religion you want has allways had one and only one reason of existance, and that was influence and power, they allways used their divine given right and connection to that divine to send people to fight to their deaths in order to increase their influence and their power over the world, and men did it and still do it as willingly and as easyly as sheep go to the butcher.
So is this what the book or the movies does? does it awaken men and women to the falacy religion is? well all those who oppose it really think so but the truth is that neither has that much power or persuasivness what all these religious fools don't realise is that the fact this book and this movie can be distributed and advertised means that their oppresive and criminaly fasist methods are dead and that people have realized that even if God does exist he probably doesn't give a shit about a planet full of insects, if he has even aknowledged our existance that is.
Religion means little to me it is a tool of control,"The church Christian, Muslem or whatever religion you want has allways had one and only one reason of existance, and that was influence and power, they allways used their divine given right and connection to that divine to send people to fight to their deaths in order to increase their influence and their power over the world, and men did it and still do it as willingly and as easyly as sheep go to the butcher." correct. the fact is the book is a work of fiction, as for religion everyone has the right to their own opinion on that, undoubtably higher life forms than us exist would they fit in to the stereotype created by christian/islamic/hindu religion i seriously doubt it.
Originally posted by machoman12 lol you guys are so retarded.....what kind of a jackass would think this is true? Lol....go to church u low lifes. My god u are idoits.
What makes the Bible any more true and give me proof.
You guys can bash Dan Brown's claims all day but in the end you guys can't even support your own, so lets end it.
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Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by machoman12 lol you guys are so retarded.....what kind of a jackass would think this is true? Lol....go to church u low lifes. My god u are idoits.
What makes the Bible any more true and give me proof.
You guys can bash Dan Brown's claims all day but in the end you guys can't even support your own, so lets end it. No Mr bible basher didn't substantiate his claims, i did and could give you any number of links backing up my perspective on the matter, the fact is jesus was a living, breathing man whether he was the creator of the worlds most popular cult or the son of god is open to opinion, i would say the former, where as The Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail are not based in reality and solely consist of conjecture and lies, futher more this isn't a matter of call it even, if jesus indeed didn't exist dan brown's work and others would still be a sham so either way their work is nonsence.
Originally posted by mister_GuS eff-ai-see-tee-ai-en
what does that spell??
FICTION!
Actually... it only spells FICTIN.
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Originally posted by Vyava Originally posted by AlexAmore What makes the Bible any more true and give me proof.
You guys can bash Dan Brown's claims all day but in the end you guys can't even support your own, so lets end it.
Not every issue only has 2 absolute opposing sides, infact it is rather rare.
Yeah, but he wants a truce. Honestly, he's the only one remaining level headed throughout this debate, but neither side is "correct" in the literal sense of the term. Nobody can prove anything they are saying. The only thing that has been proven is that DaVinci Code was fiction...
Just one point though...
The Bible was written by men...
So was The DaVinci Code...
People will say whatever they have to to make money and gain power. That is one thing I have learned about humans.
We can agree to disagree, or we can bicker constantly... either way, I'm right. SobaKai.com There are two types of people in this world - people that suck... and me.
Would you like to know what the real problem is?....Beautysin stole my avatar, thats what!!!
lol, j/k. Well I would like to thank you all for your opinions on the matter, the poll results were rather spread out I see. For my take on the whole thing, Dan Brown took gnostic texts, then twisted them around and around again. Yes, Jesus could have had a child, the likliness is very small in my opinion, however. The book itself is fiction, no question. The points, however are warped gnostic texts, an already unreliable source. (gnostic texts were created some 300 years after jesus's Death)
Anyways, as I said, thanks for voting....try not to kill each other! :P
Originally posted by SobaMan Yeah, but he wants a truce. Honestly, he's the only one remaining level headed throughout this debate, but neither side is "correct" in the literal sense of the term. Nobody can prove anything they are saying. The only thing that has been proven is that DaVinci Code was fiction... Just one point though... The Bible was written by men... So was The DaVinci Code... People will say whatever they have to to make money and gain power. That is one thing I have learned about humans.
Instigating is not being level headed. He is pushing for a fight to prove religion wrong, not beiong fair nor even.
Just one point though...
Bible was written by prophets... (if you believe)
Davinci code was not...
You misconstrude level headed with logical. If you find your faith through logic fine, but don't say that the proven logical is the only route.
Originally posted by Vyava Originally posted by SobaMan Yeah, but he wants a truce. Honestly, he's the only one remaining level headed throughout this debate, but neither side is "correct" in the literal sense of the term. Nobody can prove anything they are saying. The only thing that has been proven is that DaVinci Code was fiction... Just one point though... The Bible was written by men... So was The DaVinci Code... People will say whatever they have to to make money and gain power. That is one thing I have learned about humans.
Instigating is not being level headed. He is pushing for a fight to prove religion wrong, not beiong fair nor even.
No i'm debating whether its fair for a faith yell "blasphemy" at a book which is of a different 'faith'. I think the first post is instigating and so is Xexima calling me an "idiot". Of course i'm going to reply to that and maybe argue. I think if you read my posts, I was very civilized throughout this thread you will see I never called anyone names or implied anything. Heck i'll admit i'm no expert on the subject. I'm just trying to talk about an idea that maybe Jesus was a parent. I wouldn't even go as far as bashing the Bible, all I was saying is the claims in the bible far outweigh the ones in Da Vinci Code in terms of believability and logic.
Just one point though...
Bible was written by prophets... (if you believe)
Davinci code was not...
You misconstrude level headed with logical. If you find your faith through logic fine, but don't say that the proven logical is the only route. Ok That's fair enough. I believe in things that probably haven't been proven logically. Infact I believe people like Jesus had those powers and I believe other people could do the same if they basically knew they could do it with every bone in their body 100%. Scientists are discovering the amazing powers of the mind and if Jesus's mind was very strong in that sense then it is possible Jesus did all those miracles.
Anyways I think I was pretty "level headed". I don't think I went off on you guys. I just don't see how Jesus showing affection and love to another is bad. It's completely natural, even for God! God loves people. No? Jesus was just expressing love and there is nothing wrong with that and everything great about it. You guys say lust but I don't know where that word came from. I think religion has gotten into your heads to put "love" and "lust" like 1+1=2...maybe not but I can't think of any other reason. Love and lust don't inherently go together. Lust isn't inherently bad anyways. It's an intense eagerness for a desire or craving, generally sexual. Now lets say we just make that go away...what do we have? Extinction.
Now you say well He was devine; The son of God. Well why then? Then you say Miracles He performed. Then I say where's the proof? Then you say the Bible. Then I say where is proof the Bible is fact? Then you say God wrote it. Then I say where is the proof of your God? Then you say in the Bible.
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No i'm debating whether its fair for a faith yell "blasphemy" at a book which is of a different 'faith'.
it isn't a bloody faith!
i use to think that all the christians boycotting the movie and trying to get it censored were a bit strange, i mean, who would believe in this obvious, and self admitted piece of fiction? so why boycott it?
but it actually seems that you are contemplating it! amazing!
Originally posted by JoHosephat Originally posted by AlexAmore
No i'm debating whether its fair for a faith yell "blasphemy" at a book which is of a different 'faith'.
it isn't a bloody faith! What isn't? Some people think Jesus could have been married. You guys are saying "no", so for you guys those people need 'faith'.
i use to think that all the christians boycotting the movie and trying to get it censored were a bit strange, i mean, who would believe in this obvious, and self admitted piece of fiction? so why boycott it?
but it actually seems that you are contemplating it! amazing! You just said you contemplated it too. amazing!
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Originally posted by Hohbein while the overall story of the davinci code is undoubtably fiction, there are some interesting points bought forth. i personally have no doubt in my head that the church hides ALOT from the world. i mean, just the example of the arabic chap in Israel that found the 'dead sea scrolls' inside a cave near the dead sea.. he had them for like 2 days before he ....... 'gave' them to the vatican. he's now been seen driving around in one of the most expensive mercede's money can buy, and on a side note, the vatican hasn't released 'any' information regarding the scrolls and refuses to do so. why would they? if there is nothing to hide they'd surely have no problem atall with sharing the contents of the scrolls to the world. and if they aren't worth sharing, why pay so much for them? anyway, with so much history i think it's absolutely innevitable for some secrets to have been kept by the church. on a side note, the davinci code is a bloody good book, even if it's untrue, it's conceivable none the less, i can imagine such secrets being kept from the masses by the church quite easily.
Huh? For your information, the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls are Jewish, not Christian. They were written by a Jewish sect. And, for your information, Mr. Conspiracy Theorist, all of the texts have been released.
BTW, Mr. UK, are you Protestant? I'm just wondering...
In my opinion, religions suck. I believe in God, but not any particular religion. Religions are political parties, period.
The "cup" is not real. However, who's to say the bloodline is not? And before you jump on my statement, I do not believe Jesus was "Divine." So, why can't his bloodline exist today, as mine does?
What isn't? Some people think Jesus could have been married. You guys are saying "no", so for you guys those people need 'faith'.
when you said a book that is of a different fate, you were practically making it sound like a religion. "a book of a different faith".
so no, it has nothing to do with needing faith or whatever in tarnations. all the people are that believe that fiction(which it's self-admitted fiction by the author, geez!), are presumptuous fools that like the idea of stirring up controversy.
"Jesus was like totally married and had kids. how do I know this? well the davinci code! doh! Oh, does that offend you? Good, i like controversy. woot"
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You guys can bash Dan Brown's claims all day but in the end you guys can't even support your own, so lets end it.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
You guys can bash Dan Brown's claims all day but in the end you guys can't even support your own, so lets end it.
No Mr bible basher didn't substantiate his claims, i did and could give you any number of links backing up my perspective on the matter, the fact is jesus was a living, breathing man whether he was the creator of the worlds most popular cult or the son of god is open to opinion, i would say the former, where as The Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail are not based in reality and solely consist of conjecture and lies, futher more this isn't a matter of call it even, if jesus indeed didn't exist dan brown's work and others would still be a sham so either way their work is nonsence.
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Yeah, but he wants a truce. Honestly, he's the only one remaining level headed throughout this debate, but neither side is "correct" in the literal sense of the term. Nobody can prove anything they are saying. The only thing that has been proven is that DaVinci Code was fiction...
Just one point though...
The Bible was written by men...
So was The DaVinci Code...
People will say whatever they have to to make money and gain power. That is one thing I have learned about humans.
SobaKai.com
There are two types of people in this world - people that suck... and me.
Would you like to know what the real problem is?....Beautysin stole my avatar, thats what!!!
lol, j/k. Well I would like to thank you all for your opinions on the matter, the poll results were rather spread out I see. For my take on the whole thing, Dan Brown took gnostic texts, then twisted them around and around again. Yes, Jesus could have had a child, the likliness is very small in my opinion, however. The book itself is fiction, no question. The points, however are warped gnostic texts, an already unreliable source. (gnostic texts were created some 300 years after jesus's Death)
Anyways, as I said, thanks for voting....try not to kill each other! :P
Instigating is not being level headed. He is pushing for a fight to prove religion wrong, not beiong fair nor even.
Just one point though...
Bible was written by prophets... (if you believe)
Davinci code was not...
You misconstrude level headed with logical. If you find your faith through logic fine, but don't say that the proven logical is the only route.
Instigating is not being level headed. He is pushing for a fight to prove religion wrong, not beiong fair nor even.
No i'm debating whether its fair for a faith yell "blasphemy" at a book which is of a different 'faith'. I think the first post is instigating and so is Xexima calling me an "idiot". Of course i'm going to reply to that and maybe argue. I think if you read my posts, I was very civilized throughout this thread you will see I never called anyone names or implied anything. Heck i'll admit i'm no expert on the subject. I'm just trying to talk about an idea that maybe Jesus was a parent. I wouldn't even go as far as bashing the Bible, all I was saying is the claims in the bible far outweigh the ones in Da Vinci Code in terms of believability and logic.
Just one point though...
Bible was written by prophets... (if you believe)
Davinci code was not...
You misconstrude level headed with logical. If you find your faith through logic fine, but don't say that the proven logical is the only route.
Ok That's fair enough. I believe in things that probably haven't been proven logically. Infact I believe people like Jesus had those powers and I believe other people could do the same if they basically knew they could do it with every bone in their body 100%. Scientists are discovering the amazing powers of the mind and if Jesus's mind was very strong in that sense then it is possible Jesus did all those miracles.
Anyways I think I was pretty "level headed". I don't think I went off on you guys. I just don't see how Jesus showing affection and love to another is bad. It's completely natural, even for God! God loves people. No? Jesus was just expressing love and there is nothing wrong with that and everything great about it. You guys say lust but I don't know where that word came from. I think religion has gotten into your heads to put "love" and "lust" like 1+1=2...maybe not but I can't think of any other reason. Love and lust don't inherently go together. Lust isn't inherently bad anyways. It's an intense eagerness for a desire or craving, generally sexual. Now lets say we just make that go away...what do we have? Extinction.
Now you say well He was devine; The son of God. Well why then? Then you say Miracles He performed. Then I say where's the proof? Then you say the Bible. Then I say where is proof the Bible is fact? Then you say God wrote it. Then I say where is the proof of your God? Then you say in the Bible.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
it isn't a bloody faith!
i use to think that all the christians boycotting the movie and trying to get it censored were a bit strange, i mean, who would believe in this obvious, and self admitted piece of fiction? so why boycott it?
but it actually seems that you are contemplating it! amazing!
it isn't a bloody faith!
What isn't? Some people think Jesus could have been married. You guys are saying "no", so for you guys those people need 'faith'.
i use to think that all the christians boycotting the movie and trying to get it censored were a bit strange, i mean, who would believe in this obvious, and self admitted piece of fiction? so why boycott it?
but it actually seems that you are contemplating it! amazing!
You just said you contemplated it too. amazing!
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
BTW, Mr. UK, are you Protestant? I'm just wondering...
In my opinion, religions suck. I believe in God, but not any particular religion. Religions are political parties, period.
The "cup" is not real. However, who's to say the bloodline is not? And before you jump on my statement, I do not believe Jesus was "Divine." So, why can't his bloodline exist today, as mine does?
Cartman has a big fat ass!
No...actually it spells FACTAN
wow, people need to learn how to spell...and read