I do not think the immature kids from WOW will like this game much which is good news for WH fans. I'm excited and hope they do a good job. Can't wait to join the Waaagh!
Originally posted by dolearon has my comment on orks being green in old (like medevil ages old) folklore been completly disregarded?
Problem is to find it where it says that on paper. If you can find a single published story that describes orcs as having green skins that was published before 1980's then we can discuss that, other then that you ask people to believe your word that there were folk stories like that. Maybe there were, maybe there weren't (I have not heard any to be honest). Either way believing word of mouth is a very weak argument.
From the copyright 1977 AD&D Monster Manual: "Description: Orcs appear particularly disgusting because their coloration -- brown or brownish green with a bluish sheed -- highlights their pinkish snouts and ears. Their bristly hair is dark brown or black, sometimes with tan patches." The black and white picture of orcs has them with piglike faces and no hair.
I think it's ambiguous who first made orcs green in general, I don't think GW can take credit for "green orcs" but the modern GW look for orcs is definately their own. If you look at the old WD cover, the orcs area brownish-green (like the MM description) not the pure greens they use today, and the face looks far more like a human face than modern GW orc faces do.
I am a bit bored of people stating that WH is coping WoW. Yes I am a Warhammer fan from before WoW existed and it is becomming a bit annoying but there you go. I can't stop people from stating opinions not based on facts at all nor will I try. I can say that I have played WoW and enjoyed it for what it was for the time I played it. For me, the game was great but in some ways it was so empty. I won't turn this into a WoW bashing post however as it had it's good points as well as bad ones as do many other games. That said, I seriously can't wait for this game to come out. A bit of a dream really to all the table top WH fans who have spent many hours on their hobby to see it made it into an mmo. Fingers crossed Mythic turn it into something special
Originally posted by Pantastic From the copyright 1977 AD&D Monster Manual: "Description: Orcs appear particularly disgusting because their coloration -- brown or brownish green with a bluish sheed -- highlights their pinkish snouts and ears. Their bristly hair is dark brown or black, sometimes with tan patches." The black and white picture of orcs has them with piglike faces and no hair. I think it's ambiguous who first made orcs green in general, I don't think GW can take credit for "green orcs" but the modern GW look for orcs is definately their own. If you look at the old WD cover, the orcs area brownish-green (like the MM description) not the pure greens they use today, and the face looks far more like a human face than modern GW orc faces do.
Good find! I agree, too... the uniqueness is in the combination of factors. "Green orcs" is just a useful term to describe the GW look.
Also, there can't be "medieval" descriptions of orcs. Tolkien used a word generally associated with a sea creature to ascribe to his bestial humanoids.
I agree! Most problably it's true that WoW really copied a lot of their game aspects from the Warhammer universe not just with the Orks skin color but also with the overall look, feel and appearance.
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From the copyright 1977 AD&D Monster Manual: "Description: Orcs appear particularly disgusting because their coloration -- brown or brownish green with a bluish sheed -- highlights their pinkish snouts and ears. Their bristly hair is dark brown or black, sometimes with tan patches." The black and white picture of orcs has them with piglike faces and no hair.
I think it's ambiguous who first made orcs green in general, I don't think GW can take credit for "green orcs" but the modern GW look for orcs is definately their own. If you look at the old WD cover, the orcs area brownish-green (like the MM description) not the pure greens they use today, and the face looks far more like a human face than modern GW orc faces do.
Also, there can't be "medieval" descriptions of orcs. Tolkien used a word generally associated with a sea creature to ascribe to his bestial humanoids.