Population

darktravesty · May 2006

As a prospective player I am concerned about the population of the newbie areas and whatnot, and actually most of the game world. Does it feel active, alive, and everchanging? I can't find many MMOs that have an alive feel anymore, other than WoW because I just plain can't stand that.

darktravesty · May 2006

Also, how "bad" are the graphics? What would you compare them to, and do you think this game will last much longer? I am used to Shadowbane graphics, and it definitly looks better than that, but never-the-less I ask.
I don't want to join a game that is on its last leg, so I'd like an honest opinion there.

Beanchilla · May 2006

dark age of camelot is here to stay
its lived longer than almost any other mmo with maybe one or two exceptions
and its got a lot of players

however the servers should be merged a little bit
to increase populations
but the servers are very well populated

and as for the graphics,
a very VERY pleasent surprise.
Beautiful game,
with wonderful graphics

i dont know what to compare it to
its like a mix of EQ and EQ2
cause its beautiful and everything
but not a lag hog like eq2

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by JigsawJesus

dark age of camelot is here to stay
its lived longer than almost any other mmo with maybe one or two exceptions
and its got a lot of players
however the servers should be merged a little bit
to increase populations
but the servers are very well populated
and as for the graphics,
a very VERY pleasent surprise.
Beautiful game,
with wonderful graphics
i dont know what to compare it to
its like a mix of EQ and EQ2
cause its beautiful and everything
but not a lag hog like eq2

Errm I'll agree that it's here to stay but it's not as 'old' as you seem to think
EQ, UO, Lineage I, AC and AO are all older titles than it and are all still very much alive and kicking.

But yes, it's here to stay, and the graphics are quite good for a 5 year old game. They aren't going to DAZZLE you but they are very nice and definitely help the feel of the game.

Population wasn't bad when I left (about a month ago), Gareth has about 2-3k players on at peak and other servers/clusters have similar numbers. Though they're more spread out on the clusters. If you want a crowded feel to the game then play on Gareth. If you want a less crowded game but lots of other players in PVP play on a clustered server.

Gareth is the best server for NEW players because there is less to 'learn' right away... get to 50, learn the Champion Level system.... then if you want more PVE content and more 'levels' you can start a toon on a 'normal' server and get master levels and the Trials of Atlantis expansion area as well which opens up numerous raid type adventures and quests as well as one of the biggest expansions to the game.

Scaris · May 2006

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by JigsawJesus
dark age of camelot is here to stayits lived longer than almost any other mmo with maybe one or two exceptionsand its got a lot of players
however the servers should be merged a little bitto increase populationsbut the servers are very well populated
and as for the graphics,a very VERY pleasent surprise.Beautiful game,with wonderful graphics
i dont know what to compare it toits like a mix of EQ and EQ2cause its beautiful and everythingbut not a lag hog like eq2
Errm I'll agree that it's here to stay but it's not as 'old' as you seem to thinkEQ, UO, Lineage I, AC and AO are all older titles than it and are all still very much alive and kicking.But yes, it's here to stay, and the graphics are quite good for a 5 year old game. They aren't going to DAZZLE you but they are very nice and definitely help the feel of the game.

OK, I think you might have been stretching it when you stuck AC in the list El...

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by JigsawJesus
dark age of camelot is here to stayits lived longer than almost any other mmo with maybe one or two exceptionsand its got a lot of players
however the servers should be merged a little bitto increase populationsbut the servers are very well populated
and as for the graphics,a very VERY pleasent surprise.Beautiful game,with wonderful graphics
i dont know what to compare it toits like a mix of EQ and EQ2cause its beautiful and everythingbut not a lag hog like eq2
Errm I'll agree that it's here to stay but it's not as 'old' as you seem to thinkEQ, UO, Lineage I, AC and AO are all older titles than it and are all still very much alive and kicking.But yes, it's here to stay, and the graphics are quite good for a 5 year old game. They aren't going to DAZZLE you but they are very nice and definitely help the feel of the game.

OK, I think you might have been stretching it when you stuck AC in the list El...

Why is that? AC had over 40k players till just recently and claims that it currently has 30k (though SirBruce has sources that say more like 10-15k) and is older than DAOC. I'll agree it's an MMO in trouble though if they really did drop to 10-15k subs... Turbine claims 30k though... and since the game long ago recouped it's costs 30k would still be fairly profitable... though it's cutting it close.... if it's down to 15k it's on borrowed time.

Scaris · May 2006

Last time I checked you felt mmogchart.com's stats were fairly accurate. And acording to them they have about 10k atm. Do you feel those numbers are incorrect?

Scaris · May 2006

Umm, not to mention it was that whole humor thing when I said that...

You know, HA HA!

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus

Last time I checked you felt mmogchart.com's stats were fairly accurate. And acording to them they have about 10k atm. Do you feel those numbers are incorrect?

Per SirBruce's statement regarding AC:
Sources indicate that after the change of billing from MS to turbine subscriptions dropped to 10-15k though that number is disputed and Turbine claimes 30k.... Either way it's a significant drop in numbers.

Like I said: Sir Bruce claims 10-15k based on his sources and Turbine says 30k

If Bruce's numbers are more accurate than Turbine's claimed numbers then the game is in trouble, as I indicated. Even if turbine is giving an accurate statement and the number is really 30k the game is dangerously close to being unprofitable.

Scaris · May 2006

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by Fadeus
Last time I checked you felt mmogchart.com's stats were fairly accurate. And acording to them they have about 10k atm. Do you feel those numbers are incorrect?Per SirBruce's statement regarding AC:Sources indicate that after the change of billing from MS to turbine subscriptions dropped to 10-15k though that number is disputed and Turbine claimes 30k.... Either way it's a significant drop in numbers.Like I said: Sir Bruce claims 10-15k based on his sources and Turbine says 30kIf Bruce's numbers are more accurate than Turbine's claimed numbers then the game is in trouble, as I indicated. Even if turbine is giving an accurate statement and the number is really 30k the game is dangerously close to being unprofitable.

Hence my original statement, UGH!

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by Fadeus
Last time I checked you felt mmogchart.com's stats were fairly accurate. And acording to them they have about 10k atm. Do you feel those numbers are incorrect?

Per SirBruce's statement regarding AC:Sources indicate that after the change of billing from MS to turbine subscriptions dropped to 10-15k though that number is disputed and Turbine claimes 30k.... Either way it's a significant drop in numbers.Like I said: Sir Bruce claims 10-15k based on his sources and Turbine says 30kIf Bruce's numbers are more accurate than Turbine's claimed numbers then the game is in trouble, as I indicated. Even if turbine is giving an accurate statement and the number is really 30k the game is dangerously close to being unprofitable.

Hence my original statement, UGH!

True

But my original statement was merely to point out that a lot more than "1 or 2" MMO's were older than DAOC

I didn't even bring up M59, NWN on AOL or RO

fulmanfu · May 2006

RO meaning ragnarok? if so, it was in an early beta when DAoC was release. this game, at least imho is the first of its kind, those other ones are all dead or old nintendo-esque type games

anyway, to the pont. DAOC's numbers won't ever get any better.

people no longer play mmorpg's to play with other people, they play them to 'pwn' other people(whether thats in pvp or just out-lvl'ing them or out 'gearing' them).
daoc has been out too long, the huge influx of people to mmorpg's don't want to play an old game because they cant get the jump on others, can't spend 80 hours a week playing to be the first to do whatever.

if it came out under a differnt name tommorow it would be a smash hit though

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by fulmanfu

RO meaning ragnarok? if so, it was in an early beta when DAoC was release. this game, at least imho is the first of its kind, those other ones are all dead or old nintendo-esque type games

anyway, to the pont. DAOC's numbers won't ever get any better.
people no longer play mmorpg's to play with other people, they play them to 'pwn' other people(whether thats in pvp or just out-lvl'ing them or out 'gearing' them).
daoc has been out too long, the huge influx of people to mmorpg's don't want to play an old game because they cant get the jump on others, can't spend 80 hours a week playing to be the first to do whatever.
if it came out under a differnt name tommorow it would be a smash hit though

I dunno about that. The game is old but it's still over 100k players. It'll never be a WOW because WoW caters to a completely different type of gamer. DAOC is a game for true RPG players. WoW is a game that caters to RPG "lite" players who want to be able to solo their way through the world. Ever wonder why most wow players complain about the end game? It's not just because there's not enough of it... it's also because they can't SOLO it. WoW's fan base is largely made up of players who played the Warcraft games (single player RPG's) growing up. Thus they want WoW to be like them, and it is! Till 60

That's when they get sick of it because they're forced by the game to group.

That type of player is NOT going to like DAOC. DAOC is all about grouping... from about level 40 on Grouping is pretty strongly encouraged by the gameplay. Sure you can solo till 50, and even after 50, but the same th ings that most people are leaving WoW due to are the same things that will keep them away from DAOC. It's just a different type of MMORPG gamer.

DAOC caters to a more 'hard core' RPG gamer. What is funny is 3 years ago we considered a game a 'niche' if it only catered to like 10k people... now a 'niche' market is over 100k players (EVE, DAOC, UO, etc)... WoW has become the 'mainstream'. EQ and the other older MMORPG's have become the "hard core niche market".

So if DAOC released, brand new, under a new name... maybe with slightly better graphics... today.... same gameplay... it'd get a little bigger... maybe jump to 200 or 300k total... but it wouldn't have 1mil + players.

Bottom line: DAOC does what it does very well. Sure it's dated. It's OLD

7 years if you count it's development...

It is the first of it's kind if you mean the RVR component. The PVE component is heavily based upon EQ, however.

fulmanfu · May 2006

eh..not really. i can solo a vamp to 50 before you can group lvl pretty much every other class to 50(barring necro). granted most classes aren't that fast but even a sub-par solo'ing class like a ranger trying to autotrain his bow can get to 50 solo faster than you can get to 60 in WoW. You miss all the old world content but 90% of it is too outdated anyway, whicht hey would have to address. Sure you have to group to do certain champ quests and such, but you have to group to do alot of quests in WoW too.

catacombs erased the necessary grouping to lvl. for the most part you need to group or at the very least hang around the crowd in rvr, unless you are a stealther. but at least you dont have to queue up to do it.

also i don't get your point at all about the 'true rpg player'. please explain what you mean.

anyway, there are millions of WoW fans we all know that. we also know how hard it is to quit playing mmorpg's once you get hooked on one. most WoW players, i believe, are just waiting for another mmorpg to come out that doesn't suck, and none have. oh well, heres hoping that at least 1 of the dozen big name games supposedly being released within the year can do it.(in mmorpg timeframe that = 3 years). no doubt in my mind if daoc came out today instead of 5 years ago it would do very well

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