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IGE trying to boicott Vanguard?
Dimitrio
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Well for not one in this world of mmorpg, mostly those that direct community like this, That the developers and produces of Vanguard are totally against company like IGE, companies that encourage the gold farming, But I never tought to see a ridiculous reaction from IGE and one of their sites Allakaham's Magical Realm, by skipping Vanguard in the list of mmorpg showed at E3, all the mmorpgs where there, except Vasnguard.
Vanguard was defeating World of Warcraft 21 vs 16, but the day the polll ends, somehow they locked the topic so the people that support Vanguards couldn't be able to post their dissapointment of not putting Vanguard: Saga of Heroes and cast their vote that way, A few seconds later, the poll ended and from 16, world of warcraft made it to 22, by the way I need to remember that the post was locked, so they basically changed people's choice, in favor of World of Warcraft.
I don't get it, why If a game developer complain about the damage being done by companies like does, Allakhazam now a IGE property, do something like that? When companies like IGE are now what they are because games like EverQuest that were huge sucess a few years ago, of course now world of warcraft in numbers is the bigger and I admit it, but why they changed the results? What's wrong with them, they are going to act that way with allakhazam from now? IDK why people sell something good to companies like IGE. Basically each search engine now belongs to IGE, Allakhazam, Casters realm and thottbot.
For the developers in these boards if you want to appear at IGE sites, you better, be good 
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Dimitrio Darkblade
Founder Leader of Vitae Essentia
http://www.veguild.org
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Yeah thats nothing... Back in 2003(i think) IGE bought out affiliate community FAN sites becuase the Vanguard terms for becoming an affiliate site clearly states that you must not support in any form the secondary market. People reported getting offers of upwards of 50 000 from IGE for their sites! and this was way back in early development without that many people even knowing about the game. Following this, sigil promptly let go of these sites and their admins; many of which they had worked up good relationships with....
looking for the links to the old threads right now...
edit: ok got the link after a bit of searching: http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10340&highlight=ige
~Dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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It wasn't always like that though. It used to be a quality, free, information site(game stats and varius databases) for EQ until it expanded to other games then ultimately got bought out by IGE along with many other sites. That is why IGE is so dangerous to the industry right now.. its trying to gain a complete monopoly over everything MMO. If it achieves this then the quality of game site and services (of all types, not just auction sites) will drop dramatically.
~Dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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ok here we go: http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10340&highlight=ige
~dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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SoE marketing at work.
- Bribing game reviewers so Vanguard starts getting good reviews.
- Attack IGE, this war was started in 1999! Must kill IGE.
- And God knows what else!!! I am happy to have been a subscriber to EQ for years, they might have sent some agents to kill me otherwise with my opinion, but I will be all my life a dear valued customer.
The story is easy to figure, read Robin Hood, this is IGE. Brad is the Shefit. The Vision(tm) is on a crusade and John is John!
I don't approve IGE, never will...but I certainly can sheer for them and encourage them! Vanguard was ditched by Microsoft, if it was any good Microsoft would have destroy it, never sold it to their competitor at Sony!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
You make me laugh Ano.... your reply makes little sense (in respect to exactly what you were replying to) not to mention you contradict yourself....
~Dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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Do you seriously play though games like EQ or WOW without outside help for item drops (the main purpose of Thottbot)? There's nothing ingame that tells you that, say, the Songbird Blouse even exists, much less that it's the best multistat leather chestpiece and drops from a rare spawn in stratholme. Or that tells you that the crusader enchantment recipie only drops from scarlet crusader mobs in one particular tower in the plaguelands. One of the main activities in games like WOW is collecting items, and I don't see any way to know where they drop other than to collect info from a lot of people on what they found and compile it. Technically you could do it yourself by farming every mob in the game and remembering what drops where, but that's a bit excessive.
Roleplay Factor:
-With no way to search up item drops it adds a little more discovery to the game making that epic armor you
found something of accomplishment rather then farming.
-People who do typically buy gold probably won't be there.
I would say Vanguard knows thier audience in this case. Props to them. However I don't think Age of Conan and Gods and Heroes should pull the same move.
I think IGE may have been a bit peeved because they realized the game had a big community.
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Just play the damn game:)
Outstanding that this is one issue that will polarize people against IGE. And for the person who said "do you really not use thottbot or other sites?" yes. I learned everything I needed to learn about EQ from people playing the game. Now, they may have gone to alla and learned it all there, but I didn't.
Not saying anything negative about those sites, but just had to add that.
wow.. ive always been against farming and third-party programs (such as IGE) but i never knew about this..
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nogold.org....
If a dev can't make the 'build-up' to being competitive in an MMO engaging, then they deserve IGE type services.
You don't ditch a game that have almost 50k players waiting for years for the realease, you don't ditch game that announce that in 2006 they will launch their game and in almost a month rise their community from almost 50k to 70k, now they are almost reaching 100k, and you my be thinking and? wow had 250 players registered at forums in about the same timeline, yes!!!, but the difference is that world of warcraft was OPEN BETA, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
Many of us knew and had that feel of SIGIL having a deal with SOE, and you all think that SOE will accept something without economic potential? come one if something that crictise John Smedly is that he thinks more in money than in the game, so that means tha he is not stupid, but brad and him are friends, yes they are, but in sony is no like the other company if you say to the executives os Sony that you are going to raise the benefits to 12% and you get 11% of benefits consider yourself fired.
SOE have more experience dealing with servers that anyone in the actually, in fact many players of EQ2 were surprise about sever stability at launch, even with the lot of bugs.
If you actually look back for archives and old of NDA breakers of EverQuest and old press note, you will something familiar to whats happening now with all these critics with vanguard, they still are in beta and for sure there will be different things, gosh most of the critics to Vanguard is because they want it to be more like World of Warcraft, because they are doing the opposite to others game developers, well theres an audience for it, is wierd, I used to play EverQuest it was my first game, but I am a burning blade player of world of warcraft now and about 8 guild of world of warcraft from that server are moving to Vanguard and I am not talking about just the leadership, I am talking about the 70% or more of the membership, I was member of one of those guilds and I tought that I was the only making the move, but when I saw a post from the leadership of the guild saying we are moving to another mmorpg, would you like to come with us?, for my surprise the 74% of the guild said lets stay in WoW till vanguard comes out and is talking about an Ah Quiraj guild, Alliance side and from the horde, there arel like 6 coming from the same server, and that's without inviting those guild to join Vanguard: Saga of Heroes as oppsite tha Blizzard/vivendi did by inviting most of the top end EverQuest guild.
Dimitrio Darkblade
Founder Leader of Vitae Essentia
http://www.veguild.org
Unfortunately Vanguard will become a new farmer frontier because its primary game mechanic is going to be grind. Once a game choose the grind path for wealth accumulation, farmers will always follow because it is soooo easy for them to expoit and players will not want to do it.
The poor game design (loot/level based grinding) sets the playing field. The farmers will take one end and the customers will take the other. (be honest, someone needs to buy all that farmed gold, it will be the players) Farmers infest EVERY popular MMO and it stinks. Please people stop buying their crap.
You want to stop farming???? Its very very easy......stop buying the crap they farm.
I like the way, Vanguard is going, I can't say that it will reach the numbers of World of Warcraft, because for that the game nees to look more appealing to Asian players, which is the Sronghold of World of Warcraft and Lineage, is where most of the players of wow are.
But I am sure that Vanguard is going to be World of Warcraft in the united states, south america, center america and the caribbean, why? simple, many players are bored/dissapointed wuth world of warcraft and most of the disspointment is actually because their huge sucess? why? People are getting pissed because they can't log in, into the severs when they want, most of the time they have to wait because they are somwhete between #30 to #500 and thats whats a WoW player brought to VG website, if you sell 1000 copies then have your servers ready to handle 1000 accounts and he is right.
About IGE buying communities, My main language is spanish and they tried to bought a Spanish Community , the administrator sent them to the hell.
IGE is the owner of Allakhazam, Thottbot, zam and other .com
Dimitrio Darkblade
Founder Leader of Vitae Essentia
http://www.veguild.org
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Dimitrio Darkblade
Founder Leader of Vitae Essentia
http://www.veguild.org
I have often spoke out against IGE and virtual gaming sales.It DOES totally ruin the game for legit players.Often times if i mention anything about it in game,like i have spotted several farming bots ,i get ridiculed .It Seems players don't want to hear it.You have to wonder why that is.Well it's quite obvious the answer....
IGE is the biggest but there are thousands of real life dollars made off of virtual selling.What does that mean?It means there are tons of players in game cheating.Still players in game will defend there game by saying dumb things like."SO what WOW has more bot farmers than our game".I think alot of this defensive stance i see from players is because they are most likely some of the cheaters,and don't want to hear it for fear of getting caught ,or having there easy route through the game removed.It doesn't matters to others that your taking an easy route,what matters is that while doing so you ruin the game for others.
These massive sales are only because the demand to cheat is staggering.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well, I do agree that it is poor game design. But you can't lay 100% of the blame on the Devs. It takes 2 to tango. For it to be worth the time of a farmer, there has to be customers. From WoW to L2 through any major MMO there are farmers which in turn means people are buying the currency.
MMOs in the current state will stagnate and eventually will die off because of the traditional loot/level grinds. How many different ways are we (the MMORPG community) gonna play the same formula (game) with different skins?
Most gaming outfits accept this now, either in the form of basically ignoring the issue (the vast majority), bringing the secondary market in house (SOE Exchange), allowing it through the back door (EVE Online) or openly stating it's a part of the industry now (NC Soft USA's president, as quoted here the other day). It's all here to stay and it's better to adapt to that, rather than continue to rail against something that is going to continue to be a bedrock in this industry in the years ahead.
I remember when Allakhazams was just a newborn infant. *sniff*
It brings tears to my eyes remembering how it grew and expanded.
At first I thought Allakhazams was great, because it helped level the playing field for soloers and casual gamers who didn't have a network of in-game friends and guildies who were sharing the same information and giving advice on the best places to hunt and best loot and different tactics etc. Seriously, if you think sites like Allakhazams enable cheating, then giving friends information in-game is cheating also. Both produce the same results.
After a while though, I realized that Allakhazams and other information sites were providing a disservice by creating instant gratification minded players. Perhaps those type of gamers already existed, but needed sites like Allakhazams to draw them into MMO's. It's a question of which came first, the chicken or the egg.
I do see a growing trend of instant gratification type players though, who want dummied down games, don't want a difficult leveling/skill raising process, don't expect to be held accountable for poor gameplay and foolish actions by suffering significant battle loss penalties, don't want realistic immersive travel times etc etc.
I remember the days when Allakhazams did not have a lot of information about EQ1 because players were still uncovering it, and it was much more interesting and fun to explore and experiment in an atmosphere of the unknown, to possibly be the first to discover something new.
It benefits Vanguard and their playerbase if Allakhazams shuns them.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
The whole debate makes me laugh endlessly.