Political Labels....

SorcerousKhan · June 2006

Many people label themselves as "Republican" or "Democrat." A few call themselves libertarians, socialists, communists, or other such names.

But really, when it comes down to it.....what's your REAL political leaning? What, more than anything else, is the main driving force behind your political beliefs?

For me, it's the continued growth of the world in general but the United States in particular. Nothing radical here, folks. We've hit on a system that works, so all we really need to do is keep developing with the times.

Phoenixs · June 2006

To be honest I hate political labels. They never fit perfectly and they never tell the whole story. Atleast the labels never fit me and I never feel well with any of them.

Sometimes I wonder if people are so keen to put labels on their enemies, because they don't really know a shit. They can only debate when they have labeled the enemy as a socialist etc. Because then they can use the standard phrases and arguments for bashing a socialist.

Growth of humanity.
Equal rights for all humans. Equality across all fields. Everyone should have the same options. Gay, religious, atheist, poor, rich....... But we should still value and praise that we are all unique beings.
Help for the less fortunate.
A fair, free, and open world. Where all humans have something to say.

These are my "ground pillars". I base all my political views on this.

It's late now, so I hope it's understandable. I might revise it a litte when my tired brain has gotten some rest

SobaMan · June 2006

My political beliefs include:

1) If they have a commerial, they're corrupt.

2) If they have corporate sponsers, they're corrupt.

3) If they're running for an office of any kind, they're corrupt.

4) If they're trying to overthrow an evil government with the good of humanity in mind, they will wind up corrupt.

5) The purest form of politics took place with the bartering system.

6) Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

SobaMan · June 2006

bleh... double posts FTL...

SobaMan · June 2006

good lord! triple post!! is that some kind of record?

SorcerousKhan · June 2006

Originally posted by SobaMan

My political beliefs include:
1) If they have a commerial, they're corrupt.
2) If they have corporate sponsers, they're corrupt.
3) If they're running for an office of any kind, they're corrupt.
4) If they're trying to overthrow an evil government with the good of humanity in mind, they will wind up corrupt.
5) The purest form of politics took place with the bartering system.
6) Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It would seem, from these six points, that you believe that all governments are inherently pure corruption. Would I be correct in this observation?

saydur · June 2006

Phew, this one, I had to write and delete, write and delete. Perhaps it's best to remain simple.

I'd like to see a bit more personal responsibility in life. Loosen the corporate hold a little bit, but not to stifle business. A little bit more enforcement to discourage rampant white-collar crime, enough to reduce what is almost necessary in today's business culture. Decriminalize a few natural drugs (Marijuana, raw opium, peyote, other halluinogenic mushrooms), but hold people responsible for what they do on these drugs. Tighten the reins upon synthetic, life-threatening drugs such as methamphetamines. Meth labs are essentially bombs, and they should be treated as such. Halt the death penalty, government has no business killing people, it ends up as expensive as incarceration, it's not a deterrent, and revenge is no proper motive for the government to undertake. I would not accept the death penalty for anyone who I would not kill with my own hands.

Then again, a lot of things are simply cultural bias. Japan does not allow gun possession, and crime is quite low. Britain does not allow gun possession, and there's a hooligan culture in some circles causing many problems, and bringing forth the idea of a knife ban. A sharp piece of metal, banned. Ridiculous idea, really.

I'm on the verge of a political science degree. There are some things which can be changed, some which cannot. Even the most powerful of politicians have difficulty changing more than a few issues drastically. All they can do is help direct the flow of the people's will, as long as the nation remains democratic. Junichiro Koizumi, prime minister of Japan, managed to dissolve parliament and reshape it to his liking when his post office privatization bill was denied, probably one of the most drastic measures a democratically elected leader could take outside of wartime emergencies. He could only do this because he is extremely popular, otherwise it would have been the end of his political career.

So, in general, my leanings are to watch the flow, get involved in the process, and when conditions are favorable, foster them for the development of what I believe in. Believe in high-minded ideals, but fight for real and graspable victories.

noname12345 · June 2006

Originally posted by Phoenixs
To be honest I hate political labels. They never fit perfectly and they never tell the whole story. Atleast the labels never fit me and I never feel well with any of them.

I absolutely agree. Like i've been called a liberal in these forums and i'm liberal in some ways like on the death penalty, but i'm extremely against gun control. Guns protect us from criminals...and the government. We're already going into a police state. I'm already seeing crazy sh*t going on like being arrested and jailed for putting up anti-bush signs.

Sometimes I wonder if people are so keen to put labels on their enemies, because they don't really know a shit. They can only debate when they have labeled the enemy as a socialist etc. Because then they can use the standard phrases and arguments for bashing a socialist.

Growth of humanity.
Equal rights for all humans. Equality across all fields. Everyone should have the same options. Gay, religious, atheist, poor, rich....... But we should still value and praise that we are all unique beings.
Help for the less fortunate.
A fair, free, and open world. Where all humans have something to say.

Yup. The way it should be is that we're above the government. We have rights, we give them privileges. Clearly this process is extremely broken and now the other way around. We have phucking free speech ZONES, during protests. So yeah maybe all humans have something to say but you have to say it a half-a-mile away from the president. Maybe you might have something to say but you have to pass the screenings to ensure friendly, sympathetic audiences at Bush's town hall-style forums and rallies. Regardless of affiliation, everybody should have the opportunity to go and see the president.

I'm not arguing against you or anything but i'm just using your post as my template for my post. I see you're in Norway my post might not apply to you but it does to my fellow Americans.

As for Marijuana. It should completely legal. The fact that its not again completely undermines our constitution....unless there was anything in there that restricted what we ingested. Uhh nope there isn't, we still smoke cigs and drink alcohol.

Here is a documentary on youtube.com made by the History channel that teaches you the history of pot. This is stuff that you never learned in history class in school. (Yes im surprised this is on History channel too)
It goes into great detail about the scare/propaganda campaigns and pointing out the racist, political, and economic factors behind the prohibition.

SobaMan · June 2006

Originally posted by Riceman

Originally posted by SobaMan

My political beliefs include:
1) If they have a commerial, they're corrupt.
2) If they have corporate sponsers, they're corrupt.
3) If they're running for an office of any kind, they're corrupt.
4) If they're trying to overthrow an evil government with the good of humanity in mind, they will wind up corrupt.
5) The purest form of politics took place with the bartering system.
6) Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It would seem, from these six points, that you believe that all governments are inherently pure corruption. Would I be correct in this observation?

You are a bit of both correct and incorrect. I believe all current established governments are corrupt, yes. The one form of government that was not corrupt can never be brought back again (ie:: anarchy bartering [my label for it]). I do fancy a few things about the British government's operation, but I do still believe that politics is simply a game to keep the "rich" rich and the "poor" poor.

SobaMan · June 2006

Originally posted by AlexAmore

Originally posted by Phoenixs
To be honest I hate political labels. They never fit perfectly and they never tell the whole story. Atleast the labels never fit me and I never feel well with any of them.

I absolutely agree. Like i've been called a liberal in these forums and i'm liberal in some ways like on the death penalty, but i'm extremely against gun control. Guns protect us from criminals...and the government. We're already going into a police state. I'm already seeing crazy sh*t going on like being arrested and jailed for putting up anti-bush signs.

Sometimes I wonder if people are so keen to put labels on their enemies, because they don't really know a shit. They can only debate when they have labeled the enemy as a socialist etc. Because then they can use the standard phrases and arguments for bashing a socialist.

Growth of humanity.
Equal rights for all humans. Equality across all fields. Everyone should have the same options. Gay, religious, atheist, poor, rich....... But we should still value and praise that we are all unique beings.
Help for the less fortunate.
A fair, free, and open world. Where all humans have something to say.

Yup. The way it should be is that we're above the government. We have rights, we give them privileges. Clearly this process is extremely broken and now the other way around. We have phucking free speech ZONES, during protests. So yeah maybe all humans have something to say but you have to say it a half-a-mile away from the president. Maybe you might have something to say but you have to pass the screenings to ensure friendly, sympathetic audiences at Bush's town hall-style forums and rallies. Regardless of affiliation, everybody should have the opportunity to go and see the president.

I'm not arguing against you or anything but i'm just using your post as my template for my post. I see you're in Norway my post might not apply to you but it does to my fellow Americans.

As for Marijuana. It should completely legal. The fact that its not again completely undermines our constitution....unless there was anything in there that restricted what we ingested. Uhh nope there isn't, we still smoke cigs and drink alcohol. Well, no offense, but the Constitution is hardly there to protect what you can and can't inhale. There are plenty of theories and medical proof the back up the legalization of marajuana, but, and this is just a theory, marajuana breeds freedom. Of course, it doesn't always help a person out. Sometimes it's bad for people. Inhaling anything that isn't oxygen, for one, is bad for the human body. Two, there are plenty of people (and none of them know or will admit it) that use weed to solve their problems, but they can't figure out why nothing is getting solved... so they smoke more. Etc. etc. Honestly, do I think it should be legalized? Yes. Will I smoke it even if it is? No. BUT, I think that is MY decision to make, and that's why it should be legalized.

Harder drugs like hallucinagenic drugs, shouldn't be legalized. Why? We have enough problems with drunk drivers. The last thing we need on our roads are drunks running from the river of lava that's chasing them.

As for Crack and Herione and Meth... keep it illegal. DUH! I hope I don't have to explain why. People SHOULD have the right to choose, but IF a government is going to be in control, it should maintain its integrity by telling people "not to touch the hot stove."

Here is a documentary on youtube.com made by the History channel that teaches you the history of pot. This is stuff that you never learned in history class in school. (Yes im surprised this is on History channel too)
It goes into great detail about the scare/propaganda campaigns and pointing out the racist, political, and economic factors behind the prohibition. There is a lot of that in history. I could give you examples, but I don't want people screaming "DaVinci Code FANBOI!" at me. The fact remains that people in power wish to remain there. Those that aren't in power, seek to become powerful. Those that are in power, seek to become more powerful. And, as I stated above in #6, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

noname12345 · June 2006

Originally posted by SobaMan

Originally posted by AlexAmore

Originally posted by Phoenixs
To be honest I hate political labels. They never fit perfectly and they never tell the whole story. Atleast the labels never fit me and I never feel well with any of them.

I absolutely agree. Like i've been called a liberal in these forums and i'm liberal in some ways like on the death penalty, but i'm extremely against gun control. Guns protect us from criminals...and the government. We're already going into a police state. I'm already seeing crazy sh*t going on like being arrested and jailed for putting up anti-bush signs.

Sometimes I wonder if people are so keen to put labels on their enemies, because they don't really know a shit. They can only debate when they have labeled the enemy as a socialist etc. Because then they can use the standard phrases and arguments for bashing a socialist.

Growth of humanity.
Equal rights for all humans. Equality across all fields. Everyone should have the same options. Gay, religious, atheist, poor, rich....... But we should still value and praise that we are all unique beings.
Help for the less fortunate.
A fair, free, and open world. Where all humans have something to say.

Yup. The way it should be is that we're above the government. We have rights, we give them privileges. Clearly this process is extremely broken and now the other way around. We have phucking free speech ZONES, during protests. So yeah maybe all humans have something to say but you have to say it a half-a-mile away from the president. Maybe you might have something to say but you have to pass the screenings to ensure friendly, sympathetic audiences at Bush's town hall-style forums and rallies. Regardless of affiliation, everybody should have the opportunity to go and see the president.

I'm not arguing against you or anything but i'm just using your post as my template for my post. I see you're in Norway my post might not apply to you but it does to my fellow Americans.

As for Marijuana. It should completely legal. The fact that its not again completely undermines our constitution....unless there was anything in there that restricted what we ingested. Uhh nope there isn't, we still smoke cigs and drink alcohol. Well, no offense, but the Constitution is hardly there to protect what you can and can't inhale.
Well I think the constitution is there to give the government a guide to running the country in sense. It gave the government certain powers. What the government did (is in the documentary), was lie to us about marijuana through lots of propaganda. I don't think our Constitution would condone or imply the use of that.

There are plenty of theories and medical proof the back up the legalization of marajuana, but, and this is just a theory, marajuana breeds freedom. Of course, it doesn't always help a person out. Sometimes it's bad for people. Inhaling anything that isn't oxygen, for one, is bad for the human body.
Well there is Aromatherapy that is used for healing. I don't think its bad but im not an expert on it.

Two, there are plenty of people (and none of them know or will admit it) that use weed to solve their problems, but they can't figure out why nothing is getting solved... so they smoke more.
There are studies out there that suggest medical marijuana is effective. One example is the relaxing effect from marijuana (if you can't think of why relaxation is good for many illnesses then, then I give up, but this is just one effect). I would rather take a natural plant for medicine than that crap from the pharmacy...have you looked up how many deaths are caused by pharmaceutical drugs?
Well look into how many marijuana caused deaths and then look into pharmaceutical drug caused deaths. Look at the numbers then see the people giving out those drugs talking sh*t about marijuana. It's hypocrisy. The whole medical industry is the leading cause of death in America...and they are qualified to talk about marijuana use?
Etc. etc. Honestly, do I think it should be legalized? Yes. Will I smoke it even if it is? No. BUT, I think that is MY decision to make, and that's why it should be legalized.

I would probably try it but I wouldn't be a regular user because i'm pretty health conscious over all. I don't need to smoke it for any reason so I wouldn't smoke it.

Harder drugs like hallucinagenic drugs, shouldn't be legalized. Why? We have enough problems with drunk drivers. The last thing we need on our roads are drunks running from the river of lava that's chasing them.

I see what you're saying, I agree with you. It would be a threat to my safety and of others. in that case I say outlaw alcohol and cigs. Alcohol causes deaths and cigarettes cause deaths/illness of themselves and of others who inhale the second hand smoke.

As for Crack and Herione and Meth... keep it illegal. DUH! I hope I don't have to explain why. People SHOULD have the right to choose, but IF a government is going to be in control, it should maintain its integrity by telling people "not to touch the hot stove."

Here is a documentary on youtube.com made by the History channel that teaches you the history of pot. This is stuff that you never learned in history class in school. (Yes im surprised this is on History channel too)
It goes into great detail about the scare/propaganda campaigns and pointing out the racist, political, and economic factors behind the prohibition. There is a lot of that in history.
A lot of people don't know of the history of pot though and so i'm showing it to people.
I could give you examples, but I don't want people screaming "DaVinci Code FANBOI!" at me. The fact remains that people in power wish to remain there. Those that aren't in power, seek to become powerful. Those that are in power, seek to become more powerful. And, as I stated above in #6, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Btw aspirin has caused more deaths than marijuana. So has caffeine. Of course I don't have to mention alcohol and ciggs and car accidents and guns. Maybe we should outlaw everything that has caused more than 10 deaths? Anyways the whole basis of marijuana being illegal is all propaganda. Nuff said. This paragraph isn't aimed at you sobaman

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