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You are trashing them over the fact they are trying to organised and come here and talk, you are not currently trashing them about the game or it flaw. You are trashing their blogs, their efforts to organised and explains and try.
I will not try DnL myself, I don't like the 'vision' they have for this game. But trashing peoples over a try to convince his staff to come here to talk and explains, that is kinda lowly.
This guy work on this project for YEARS, he is talking with peoples who have been working on the project for years as well, I don't see how this is asking peoples to LIE as you put it. I am no DnL fan and never was, but this is troll bashing for the fun of finding excuses to trash them. This has NOTHING to do with their game, you are trashing them for WORKING on their public image.
What you are doing is lowly. Vuuar obviously believe and dreams about this DnL thingy, he is devastated, crushed, about what was said here on his game. The fact he is French and partially understanding what is been said here, made him all the more vulnerable, since his english understanding side is less developped, it is also less mature on an emotional level, just like if I would start ill talking about SoE in French, those who speak some level of french would prolly be mortified, especially if they still dreams and believe about SoE.
Well i can imagine he is devastated and I feel for him, BUT we warned them.... since months ago we told them (the devs) this is not the way you can go live with all your bodged patches, the game engine etc... We complained about it and got the answer from some "Sog is not DNL when they launch you will see it will be great and instantly farlan will know how to deal with customers". If he is devastated he did deserve it unfortunately. Thats what happens when you totally do NOT listen to your community. He might have a great vision and he (but i assure you we are not in the loop here) knows where he wants to take this game too... Good vision extremely poor execution, and lets not talk about customer service..its non existent.
And none of this warrants him to attack any other site.
You are trashing them over the fact they are trying to organised and come here and talk, you are not currently trashing them about the game or it flaw. You are trashing their blogs, their efforts to organised and explains and try.
Show me ONE post from a fanboi that has actually attempted to TALK here in a decent manner about the game or its flaws without denigrating in to a flame war?. You mention a flaw and you are a hateboi. Period. What has been and will continue to be posted here is the cold hard facts about the game. This guerilla warfare on the "hatebois" and on sites that ALLOW for open discussion and opinions is completely out of line.
I will not try DnL myself, I don't like the 'vision' they have for this game. But trashing peoples over a try to convince his staff to come here to talk and explains, that is kinda lowly.
"Counter attacking" is not considered an acceptable form of "come here to talk and explain" nor is condoning a mod the suggestion of cheating in the ratings by destroying the good and well deserved ratings of other games and falsely giving this a score of 10. Even this conversation smacks of thinly veiled false propaganda. You cant change what has already been put in print. You cant change the impressions ppl, other than the regulars here, have experienced in their game play. You cant change what has already been shown. No matter how you try to make it out that we, by expressing the impressions, actual experience with the game and its developers are NOT simply something other than experienced and sensible game players , its not going to change any of the missteps, mismanagemant, misleading and inexcusable actions of this development team.
This guy work on this project for YEARS, he is talking with peoples who have been working on the project for years as well, I don't see how this is asking peoples to LIE as you put it. I am no DnL fan and never was, but this is troll bashing for the fun of finding excuses to trash them. This has NOTHING to do with their game, you are trashing them for WORKING on their public image.
again, see the above statement^^ same answer to this.
What you are doing is lowly. Vuuar obviously believe and dreams about this DnL thingy, he is devastated, crushed, about what was said here on his game. The fact he is French and partially understanding what is been said here, made him all the more vulnerable, since his english understanding side is less developped, it is also less mature on an emotional level, just like if I would start ill talking about SoE in French, those who speak some level of french would prolly be mortified, especially if they still dreams and believe about SoE.
So you seem to wish us to have sympathy for this man? There is none. The promises made, the loyalty of the fans from previous (me included) was destroyed when those lofty promises were not brought forth again and again and again.What did they get in return? Callousness, rudeness and neglect.
Releasing a premium priced game, to essentially be late stage alpha/beta testers on a "let the customer pay us premium prices to do this for us" basis, releasing guerilla warfare on anyone that may have even the slightest wrong to say about this game, allowing for the complete mess he has allowed of his own forums to become (the community forums at DNL were completely destroyed by the actions of the mods/devs but that is another thread in and of itself), demanding that all who become a player in the game subscibe to many many frustrations, confusion, sloppy programming/coding, exaggerated promises, further neglect and of course, the ever present..patience...all the while allowing them to take the customers money.
He bit off more than he can chew. Now he blames the ones who just arent happy with the substandard, overhyped mess he himself has allowed to be brought forth.
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They then have at us for having a negative attitude.
Let's all just make shit up and run with it, 'k? Is about is worthless as what they're doing.
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
It only shows more the fact that this game is horrible in ALL respects, including the fanbois and supporters.
Explain then why someone who accidently deleted his /inherited character due to the crappy UI no doubt, that Vuuar and his gang simply said, tough shit dude? Customer service at its finest I see.
Get off the pony, you are making yourself look totally ridiculous! Each and every statement you make can be grinded down by evidence pure and ripe to the pile of bull you are trying to pass off. coming in here and slamming everyone whilst you say have pity is completely off the wall.
The latest influx of the false reviews are gonna bite DNL in the ass. Many sites will send a reviewer out immediately if and when a game hits the top scoring. Once the reviewer sees the mess it really is, the review is posted and welp, there go their own ratings. Why? The reviewer will go out immediately...without the few weeks DNL needs to get itself cleaned up a little more...immediately...for the reviewer to see in alllllll its glory!
BWHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA tsk tsk tsk
In the case of a few sites, you may hit the Report Abuse button about the false review score. They do investigate it.
WTF...??
Our point isn't that Vuur cares, our point is; why does he care ..NOW !!!
Why all of a sudden has Vuur come out of his shell and started talking to the fanbase..? I've been a D&L board member since 2003. He's never made an attempt to get to know us, never has he openly debated a "hot topic of the month..etc"
It's too late to care... THE GAME IS OUT !!! He really should've started caring when all the beta testers left and then 3 months later when SoG opened up and 90% of those players left aswell...!
Honestly, he's a typical Frenchmen. Nonchalaunt as hell, thinks things are easy, relies on others and when he doesnt do his job or it doesnt come out as planned... they TALK. Instead of DO! Every business meeting I have ever been in overseas has been "Coffee break" and "it'll work itself out" talk.
Vuur feelings are hurt because he created a turd and people don't like poop. So let him wallo in his moment of greatness. He was supposedly so proud of this game at E3.. and still would'nt listen to us.
Now he gets to taste our dissapointment twofold....! Somebody should've thrown a coffee in his face years ago and told him to get off his high-horse and listen to his fanbase... THEY are the ones who have the knowledge.
-Zvorak
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I could try to respond to all peoples who answer me...but...I feel like a angry mob want to flail anyone, anywhere for any reason, just because they say: What? You have a right to be unhappy about the game, for game features, game reasons. You have to bring stuff related to the game.
Here, all I see, is an angry mob of peoples angry that Vuuarr try to rally troops to explain the game on this site. Maybe Vuuaarr didn't do enough, maybe the game is trash, but trashing him on the moment he tries to do something?
I don't know if you notice, but there was one person who answer something like: pff, MMORPG.com, I don't frequent that type of sites...Now, this person take an 'arrogant' approach to it, but the hurted feelings can be understand quite easily.
Really, if you are angry that DnL lacks this much, at the very least you should be happy that he tries to explain and talk and convince folks to come here to explain it, not trash him because it is not enough or whatever. I still hold to what I have said, everyone trashing them for wanting to explain themselves are doing an extremely distateful action, there is nothing wrong with someone trying to explain.
In all my past flames, I have never flame Smed because he tries to explain the game, I bump fugly features on his nose, but I never, at any moment, trash the fact he comes to talk. Same with Brad or Stateman. When peoples trash Smed, Brad or Stateman for explaining and talking to us, no matter what, I tell them they are doing a lowly action. You WANT them to talk, then trash them about the game if you want, but don't trash them because they talk!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
You really don't get it, Anofalye.
The IRC isn't about "talking" about the game. His marching orders are to counter the bad publicity.
Get it now?
And how exactly do you think someone can counter bad publicity? By talking, he asks his staff, to come talk. Explain, argue.
I am not sure the word: 'counter' has the same signification in french and in english, it seem to offend you while in all honesty, nobody would be offended by the use of such a word in a french debate. Cultural differences.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
And how exactly do you think someone can counter bad publicity? By talking, he asks his staff, to come talk. Explain, argue.
I am not sure the word: 'counter' has the same signification in french and in english, it seem to offend you while in all honesty, nobody would be offended by the use of such a word in a french debate. Cultural differences.
So where are these people that have come to make the case for the game?
All I see are oneliners, with zero factual support. "Best game ever, Bye"
"... may not deserve a 10 but defenitely deserves more then 3.." is nothing more then Vuuars personal opinion. If he is trying to use his power to enforce it, promote it, make others enforcing it thats no way to do business. Thats why voting should NEVER be tempered with. Voting reflects OPINIONS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
And how exactly do you think someone can counter bad publicity? By talking, he asks his staff, to come talk. Explain, argue.
Where , exactly where does it say come and talk to ppl, explain to them why this game is crap?
I am not sure the word: 'counter' has the same signification in french and in english, it seem to offend you while in all honesty, nobody would be offended by the use of such a word in a french debate. Cultural differences.
so explain then one of the mods telling ppl to cheat,,,rate DNL a 10 and all other games a 1. Is that Talking and explaining? No.
No amount of talk will cover up the fact that it is a lousy game, it was released unfinished. It is still unfinished, and will continue to be unfinished unless and until he gets someone, no a few someones , in there who know what the hell they are doing.
He would be more of a man, and a professional , if HE understands he released a unfinished game that is entirely worse than more than half expected, even with low expectation, if HE understands that demanding a full price for an unfinished game is going to have ramifications, if HE understands that the people who DID stand behind him, he has crushed under his shoe, if HE understands that getting respect demands respect towards others also.
Coming here and telling us what hatebois and fools, and unintelligent crybabies we are all are. Coming here and telling us how great the game is when we DO have eyes and ears and a mind to think our own thots with , ---- neither are going to change the fact that he failed and failed miserably and is making it even worse by his and his lackeys actions now.
Its a public IRC Chat and he was stating it to the people in that IRC Chat and NOT his STAFF!!!
So your excuse of Vuuarr trying to talk to his "staff" is now null and void!
And please let us not try this "Cultural Difference" card.
I am also someone that has been in various cultures and has personally has gone thru my own personal Culture Shock.
(Please note that I was born and raised my 1st 13 years of life in the Philippines and a 100% full bred Filipino.
I am now 30yrs old and live in NY USA.)
But I am sure that Vuuarr has been in more countries than I have been in and should be more acclimaticized by various cultures.
Considering what they are planning to do is bring about THOUSANDS of gamers in 1 server just shows that they should have been READY for the possibility that they will need to deal with various Cultures!
If they are not then they should start taking some sociology classes or something.
So your other excuse of "Cultural Differences" is also null and void!
We are talking about someone that in the last 6 years developing his game ONLY posted 15 times in his own Official games forum!
ONLY 3 of those posts was made in the English forums!
And the last 5 posts was made AFTER his game was released.
1 of the post he made was about censoring the official D&L forums.
A day or 2 later, someone found an IRC Chat log with him stating "to counter the attack on MMORPG.com".
He has been able to advertise and publicize his game yet ONLY able to post 15 times in the last 6 years to his loyal fans Official D&L Forums!
Here is his Profile in the Official D&L Forums for you to see for yourself and find out what he has said in the last 6 years!
Put 2 and 2 together.
You do not need a degree in Detective work to realize what he has and is doing.
Maybe instead of worrying about Public Relations he should make sure Jason Ovitt is doing his job and Vuuarr should be busying fixing his game instead of telling others to DENY & LIE!
I do hope you read this statement Anofalye as I would like to read what your excuse for Vuuar is after reading what I have just stated.
I did my homework, have you?
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Why do Americans want game to fail? You afraid others will do well in game making.
They are small company, give slack. America can't take over world, even though you try. Now you have competition, and you afraid so make low rating because they are not American company. Shame on you. Plenty to explore and enjoy while game improves.
Jeanlouise, ferme ta bouche.
Ce jeu est une bouse, et la nationalite des critiques n'a rien a voir.
Tu peux te mettre ton anti americanisme primaire où je pense.
MMORPG.com est un site international...abruti.