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gargantroogargantroo Member Posts: 1,477
in Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
I bet you guys are going to look at this post and say "Oh, this is another guy thinking that ____ game is going to kill WOW"

Well, I've been surfing the WOW forums and whenever someone mentions an MMORPG that they are leaving for WOW, someone says "You'll be back." And the guy is always back a week later. There is always some crazy doomsayer talking about how "Vanguard" and "Age of Conan" are going to kill the mass that is WOW. Well, let me tell you, they are not.

I've been surfing the WOW forums because I am a huge fan of the game and I have only seen one game that gets replies from a decent number of people who can't wait for Warhammer.

I think this game has alot more potential then the vaporware spawning around it. A few people are distraught about the instanced PVP, but thats all we do in WOW anyways (Battlegrounds).

I personally will not leave WOW for this game, but these people will:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-off-topic&t=1655110&p=1&tmp=1#post1655110

A forum post flaming Warhammer online (found on the WOW forums- notice all the people defending Warhammer on THEIR OWN GAMES F'ING FORUMS)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-off-topic&t=1660643&p=1&tmp=1#post1660643

Another forum post flaming Warhammer (again, notice the defense for the game)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-off-topic&t=1660275&p=1&tmp=1#post1660275

People discussing the game:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-off-topic&t=1659734&p=1&tmp=1#post1659734

While I was pulling these up, I noticed a few more about how to get into WAR beta and Warhammer Mark of Chaos. All of those posts were posted within a 3-4 day period.

I applaud you, WAR developers, for making the WOW killer.

Haha.. just one thing though. Remember how WOW and EQ2 came out around the same time and ALL the EQ2 nerds flamed WOW for YEARS? Yeah, your gonna have Vanguard nerds on your forum doing that

And I might be seeing you guys if too many people leave WOW


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  • starman999starman999 Member Posts: 1,232

    Well here goes......


    I believe Blizzard has spent far to long resting on its laurels. They have enjoyed the unchallenged success of their first ever MMO not because it is fresh or innovative but because its simply the best one out right now. I believe that they will continue to do little or nothing to improve on their current product. If they think that adding a couple of races and new areas with instances is enough to compete against an entirely new game then they are in for a surprise.

    Gamers get tired of the same old shtick and want a change. Adding 10 more levels of the same old grind is probably not what they have in mind when they think of new content. They didnt add any new classes and they still havent managed to fix the latency and stability in their crappy servers. when faced with the option of continuing on with played out characters and 500 person que waits or going to a different game and getting something fresh and new I believe they will desert WOW like rats from a sinking ship.

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  • EindrachenEindrachen Member Posts: 211

    WOW actually has some of the most innovative ideas in all the MMO market.  The idea of actually having different kinds of content (raiding, solo/small-group, PVP, etc.) that everyone can pick and choose from is fairly good.  I mean, no game ever hurt from having more gameplay options available.

    WOW's problem was implementation.  That's it.  It never delivered on any of the promises it made, and in fact reversed it's general design philosophy after a change of employees.  It's very sad, too, because it had such great potential.  What a waste.

    I don't want WAR to kill WOW.  No, sir.  I want WOW to keep on existing.  If it really appeals to so many gamers, God Almighty forbid that its community spread out and infect other games.  WAR does not need (or, I imagine, want) the kind of community WOW has now.

    Yeah.  WAR won't kill WOW.

    But I don't see WOW killing WAR, either.

  • ApraxisApraxis Member UncommonPosts: 1,518

    Originally posted by Eindrachen

    Yeah.  WAR won't kill WOW.
    But I don't see WOW killing WAR, either.
    Thats right. Some ppl will left WoW to play WAR, but a lot of other will not do it.

    I think both games will do it well..

    If WoW dies, than just because Blizzard make some failures, and not because any other mmorpg come out.
  • ishomishuishomishu Member Posts: 22
    WOW promised from the the start heroe classes, vehicles, etc. Only a few came to reality. I can't beleive the amount of people that play it. I had 3 lvl 60's within the first year it was out. I played both horde and alliance. For the Horde, alliance sucks (nubs) lol had to throw that in there. My point is that it was 2+ years and still no expansion. They are not adding any other character classes. I love blizzard and think they are the best game manufacturer in the industry hands down. If WAR delivers on its promise it will take a big chunk out of WOW. I have to beleive most gamers are like me and want new challenges and new areas to see. If one game was goingto split the gaming community I would think WAR definately is the one. We will have to see alot of changes can happen between now and release.  
  • rungardrungard Member Posts: 1,035

    I believe that the only thing that can kill wow is itself.

    Wow was heralded as the casual mmorpg, which allowed it to bring in millions of new players, only to bait and switch to hardcore raiding as an endgame.

    A blatant lie like that will only keep players interested for so long and mythic can learn a lesson here ( and already has), that if you have a great game already and head down the hardcore raiding road and expect most normal players to like it,

    youve got another thing coming, and it wont be pretty.

    Daoc got spanked hard with TOA, and likewise wow will get spanked hard with their abandoning of the original design in favor of hardcore raiding.

    Its already begun on my server, aka ghost town. There used to be 500 queues and the server hasnt ben migrated to new technology or had no transfers. The players are simply gone. This has all been in the last few months.

    Dont make the same mistake twice mythic.

  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Member UncommonPosts: 2,964

    All I am looking for is some new type of innovation. I retired WoW 8 months ago and still dont have the craving to go back. Have I burned out? Oh Yeah. Will I ever go back to WoW? Who knows.. Only thing I can say is with so many other mmoRPGS coming out, my chances of going back to WoW are getting pretty bleak.

    With new games and technology out for mmoRPGS, WoW will just kill itself if it doesnt adapt to the competion out there. It still is just a big grind for uberized gear and faction (and just having that, isnt satisfying enough for me to dump $15 bucks a month and play a game that hasnt changed much since launch).

  • BentBent Member CommonPosts: 581
    Is is too early to tell.  The other games you mentioned got hyped up pretty high too, but as they near their release most people could tell they were not going to make it.  Mythic could end up doing the same thing.  The only way WAR will overcome WoW is if Mythic does nothing but increase hype until release.  One or two release push backs, or word of a key team member leaving the crew and it probaby sunk.  After all that the game has to be enough fun so people don't have any reason to go back to WoW.... not even to see their friends, because all their friends should now be in WAR too.

    Chances are Blizz will time and expansion release or event to occur at the same time WAR releases to kill it's steam.  They may even have an event when open beta starts to kill that.

    How  many WoW players would give a WAR weekend beta a try if blizzard planned an event for the same weekend that "doubled the amount of drops all epic bosses drop" for that same weekend.

    Or released a second expansion the day before WAR released offering 2x exp for the fist 48hours.

    So it is really up to Mythic to not let any bad news reach our ears.  And depends how Blizz handles distractions during WAR key events.




  • rungardrungard Member Posts: 1,035

    Originally posted by Bent


    How  many WoW players would give a WAR weekend beta a try if blizzard planned an event for the same weekend that "doubled the amount of drops all epic bosses drop" for that same weekend.



    Probabally alot, since 80% of wows playerbase doesnt even have access to epic boss loot in the first place by its 40 man raid design.  
  • noctisnoctis Member Posts: 29

    Whether or not WAR will kill WoW for me remains to be seen.  WoW has a lot going for it and a lot of things dragging it down.  It has evolved very slowly and pretty much none of the new content doesn't appeal to me (I don't raid).

    One thing is for sure, though.  I trust Mythic more than any other game company out there.  They got a lot of things right in DAoC.  By my standards, they got everything right, it's just visually outdated and has a steeper learning curve.  I got into DAoC on day one, and never encountered any major show stoppers.  They made a conscious decision of killing one of their projects which had been in development for a couple of years instead of releasing some unfinished product or substandard product.

    If they improve on DAoC, steal the good stuff from WoW (like WoW stole some good stuff from them), and work on marketing, they have a good chance.  But in any case, it looks like a winner if not a killer.

    Just a shame it's scheduled for what... Q3 2007?  Apply standard software development extensions and Mythic's high standards and I'm not expecting it before Q1-Q2 2008.

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    Really I hope WAR doesn't appeal to the WoW guys anyway, happy to see them flame it.

    I can truly say that of ALL the MMOs I have played, which is PLENTY, that World of Warcraft hands down had the worst community ever.

    @gargantroo: You seem to actually have the ability to speak in full sentences without the words "retard" or "kthnxbai" in it, so you're already ahead of the game.  You're okay.

  • noctisnoctis Member Posts: 29

    Originally posted by Etaanaru

    Really I hope WAR doesn't appeal to the WoW guys anyway, happy to see them flame it.
    I can truly say that of ALL the MMOs I have played, which is PLENTY, that World of Warcraft hands down had the worst community ever.

    Agreed.  As a WoW player I probably have my "retard" moments, but I like to be considerate.

    The problem with WoW is that' it's easy to learn and easy to play.  If you build a game that any fool can play, then fools WILL play.

  • GhakanGhakan Member Posts: 71
    The problem i have with WAR is that it all looks the same aka goblins and dwarves, I think they said there were going to be 6 races, but why haven't they shown any of the others.  I think if they showed more than just goblins and dwarves in different outfits and weapons I would be more inclined to be excited about this game, but it all looks very similar.  Right now I'm waiting for Archlord/Aion/SUN/LOTRO...

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  • Distortion0Distortion0 Member Posts: 668
    Please, those players that flame your forms saying that WAR is better than WoW, take them back. We do not want them here. The community will do it's best to isolate them. Both games are probably better off without them anyway.
  • noctisnoctis Member Posts: 29

    Originally posted by Ghakan
    The problem i have with WAR is that it all looks the same aka goblins and dwarves, I think they said there were going to be 6 races, but why haven't they shown any of the others.  I think if they showed more than just goblins and dwarves in different outfits and weapons I would be more inclined to be excited about this game, but it all looks very similar.  Right now I'm waiting for Archlord/Aion/SUN/LOTRO...


    They started with dwarves and greenskins (orcs & goblins).  Release day is still way off...  Shouldn't start worrying about that.

    You can look at the cinematic trailer for elves :)  Anyone else thinks whoever made that trailer should definitely make a full-fledged movie for the big screen?

  • GhakanGhakan Member Posts: 71
    Nah, Blizzard already has that covered... WoW movie on the way, LOL

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  • noctisnoctis Member Posts: 29

    A successful Warhammer movie would be a huge marketing stunt to promote WAR.

  • AverardusAverardus Member Posts: 8

    Originally posted by Eindrachen

    WOW actually has some of the most innovative ideas in all the MMO market.  The idea of actually having different kinds of content (raiding, solo/small-group, PVP, etc.) that everyone can pick and choose from is fairly good.  I mean, no game ever hurt from having more gameplay options available.
    WOW's problem was implementation.  That's it.  It never delivered on any of the promises it made, and in fact reversed it's general design philosophy after a change of employees.  It's very sad, too, because it had such great potential.  What a waste.
    I don't want WAR to kill WOW.  No, sir.  I want WOW to keep on existing.  If it really appeals to so many gamers, God Almighty forbid that its community spread out and infect other games.  WAR does not need (or, I imagine, want) the kind of community WOW has now.
    Yeah.  WAR won't kill WOW.
    But I don't see WOW killing WAR, either.

    Which is exctly why I will never buy Blizzard again, they are right up there with Sony in my book. They made so many promises about how the game was going to be, then they turned the game into something else completly.

    Warcraft has nothing new, they knew they would have no competition whey they released the game... its the only reason its still going strong. Anyone who thinks the population will not take a huge hit over the next year as better games are released are simply... delusional..


  • noctisnoctis Member Posts: 29

    Originally posted by Averardus

    Originally posted by Eindrachen

    WOW actually has some of the most innovative ideas in all the MMO market.  The idea of actually having different kinds of content (raiding, solo/small-group, PVP, etc.) that everyone can pick and choose from is fairly good.  I mean, no game ever hurt from having more gameplay options available.
    WOW's problem was implementation.  That's it.  It never delivered on any of the promises it made, and in fact reversed it's general design philosophy after a change of employees.  It's very sad, too, because it had such great potential.  What a waste.
    I don't want WAR to kill WOW.  No, sir.  I want WOW to keep on existing.  If it really appeals to so many gamers, God Almighty forbid that its community spread out and infect other games.  WAR does not need (or, I imagine, want) the kind of community WOW has now.
    Yeah.  WAR won't kill WOW.
    But I don't see WOW killing WAR, either.

    Which is exctly why I will never buy Blizzard again, they are right up there with Sony in my book. They made so many promises about how the game was going to be, then they turned the game into something else completly.

    Warcraft has nothing new, they knew they would have no competition whey they released the game... its the only reason its still going strong. Anyone who thinks the population will not take a huge hit over the next year as better games are released are simply... delusional..


    No competition at launch?  Everquest was a hugely popular game at the time and WoW and EQ2 launched pretty much at the same time (1 week?).

    It's easy to say that WoW won over EQ2 after the fact, but I can't say it was predictible.

    But yeah, WoW population will slowly descend.  No game will last forever at peak, and compared to other games, I don't feel it changes fast enough.  I mean 2 years before releasing an expansion with 2 new races and more grinding areas?  At least one expansion (free or not) a year and more classes would be most welcome.  I'm basically just waiting for something else to quit WoW, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    Don't get me wrong, WoW is a good game, but I don't like raids and I've seen all there is to see of the non-raid content.  The PvP is lacking but not awful.

    Anyone who says WAR will be nothing like WoW, I hope they're wrong.  WoW has a lot of good stuff and a DAoC/WoW hybrid would be a most excellent game.  At least, for me it would.

  • pearljam668pearljam668 Member Posts: 38
    iv decided that im dropping WoW for this one
  • KremlikKremlik Member UncommonPosts: 716
    WAR vs WoW hmm this ones a good'un..

    WAR looks good on paper, but they seem to be going on the pvp info more than anything elseworring for PVE..Where as WoW is northing but PVE is diffrewnt forms.. even their PVP is practally PVE

    Anyway i'll keep it short: WAR is exactally what WoW needs.. Blizz have sat up and took notice that they can't sit about anymore and do nothing and finally got their finger out and change things before games like WAR steal their thunder.. If Blizzard play their cards right, the only people that would jump ship would be for community reasons cuz the gameplay would remain soild however if they don't, WAR looks like a good front runner at least till the hype dyes down

    Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!

  • flea1flea1 Member Posts: 250
    ypou know i really cant think of any mmos that have died. Ryzons still going stray bullet games picked up shadowbane horizoons is still going the first 2 big time mmos are still going eq and uo. Wow aint going anywhere till blizzard cant make a profit. Since they have paid for there game and marketing a 100 fold. Worse case they start merging servers.


    All games have there place and are fun to somone. Thats why mmos havnt died.


    Irth online and mourning dont count as they werent even ready at rlease and floundered in 3 days or less.


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  • JMoney95JMoney95 Member Posts: 211

    Guild Wars was mentioned thousands of times as the game that would kill woW. Everyone on the forums was saying how great it was gonna be.

    That was 3 million subscribers ago.

    You know what will kill WoW? Time.

    Same things were said about Original Everquest. People saying "X will kill EQ!!!" like a bunch of retards. What ended up killing it? Nothing. Still going. What caused the biggest decline in subscribers? WoW, 6 years later.

  • NimuelNimuel Member UncommonPosts: 163

    Originally posted by flea1
    ypou know i really cant think of any mmos that have died. Ryzons still going stray bullet games picked up shadowbane horizoons is still going the first 2 big time mmos are still going eq and uo. Wow aint going anywhere till blizzard cant make a profit. Since they have paid for there game and marketing a 100 fold. Worse case they start merging servers.


    All games have there place and are fun to somone. Thats why mmos havnt died.


    Irth online and mourning dont count as they werent even ready at rlease and floundered in 3 days or less.



    I think the whole notion of 'game killers' or whatever are nonsense. There's really nothing else to say about it :P

    Atleast i got it off my chest 

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  • giddgidd Member Posts: 89
    err your not flaming or bashing WAR but congratulingy...its cool its gonna kill WOW and all but u think vangaurds nerds gonna be jealous too and u still like WOW...omgz ..xD u coolest online dude ever
  • GrarghsiesGrarghsies Member Posts: 9
    IMO WAR will be what WoW's lore said it should have been, Where the hell in the lore does it say 40 people have to grind the same place over and over again?

    In WAR the PVP will be from the get go, your quests will involve killing players and npc enemies alike

    In WoW, it's about killing boars and little pixies :P


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