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Throwing in the towel
Jackdog
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The wife ran me out the house a while ago, said I needed get off that damn computer awhile. Anyway I went for a short bike ride and got to thinking about Wish. I am not a game addict 
really I am not. Ok so where was I? Oh anyway I was riding along and remembered a game that had some great concepts that was called Wish. I am sure a lot of you guys remember it also, it had some awesome concepts. Dave Rickey of EQ1 and DAoC was one of the devs and they had a lot of other talent also over there at Mutable realms.
Anyway this game sounded like a RP'ers dream game in concept, however in actual gameplay it really wasn't all that much fun. They did a closed beta, then a limited open beta, took note of he testers complaints, worked on it another year and reopened the beta. Well even after that additional year of closed beta, most players did not care for it. In fact hardly anyone did, so after a day or two of the massive open beta and seeing 99% of the players posting "This game sucks sewage" they shut it down. Why?
Because they realized that although the game sounded great in concept and on paper, in reality it sucked. Plain and simple so they threw in the towel, thanked the loyal fans and moved on with their lives and careers. In other words they acted like professionals. They did not encourage their fans to come over here and attack the critics. They did not complain that people were playing the game wrong and were noobs and fans of other games. They just acted like grownups, admitted their idea did not work and turned the server off. They realized that what sounds good in concept often does not work in practice. That is the difference between professionals and a bunch of amateurs.
I miss DAoC
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Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you.
Glad you gone. Less english cries.
I watch world cup while patch game. I have time and understand game dynamics.
bye
Yeah us poor old Americans just are way too simple to realize these things. ROFL and they say Americans are arrogant and bigoted
Funny I rather like Saga of Ryzom, they must have dunmbed down the American version
In case you have not noticed people of all nationalities agree that DnL sucks. If you are one of their Devs, guess what? I think you need to read a book on game dynamics because in my opinion you don't know the first thing about them. You don't even underatand the risk vs reward theory. You think that slamming your head against he wall is fun too I bet. What is it you do not understand about the game plays slow and nothing works. That is what most people are bitching about. Face the factrs dude, you made a shitty little game that is not fun and blame others that they do not like it. The classic , it's not my fault syndrome.
I miss DAoC
@JeanLouise
Excellent you are back.
Please read my reply to your post here: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/80845/page/8
And while you are at it, why do you keep insisting on attacking Americans? or American made products?
You do know that many MMORPG and various games are made by people other than Americans that has become very successful.
So can you please make a more constructive post WITHOUT ATTACKING anything that has to do with AMERICA?
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Why do I hear his posts in the voice of Inspector Clouseau?
Here is a geography lesson:
SOE = Sony online Entertainment = Sony = Tokyo, Japan
Blizzard is an American company, but did you know they were bought by a French company at one time?
Eve Online is owned by CCP- Reykjavík, Iceland- Last time I chacked Iceland wasn't a US state..
Guildwars= NCsoft = South Korea
Stop with the "You hate us because we are French" crap..
This game doesn't suck because France sucks.. It sucks because IT sucks..
Not attaking america, just say not all games appeal to others. I support the devs, you bash to stop other from playing, hurting game. makers not deserv to lose jobs, they have familis.
You attak game becaus it is not american, you are the ones show arrogant.
i am done.
I liked Saga of Ryzom, not a lot but i played it for a couple of months. Never really bashed it here or anywhere else. It is made in France. I feel sorry for the games developers, but that is not a reason to support a crap game. I worked for a company that went of of business once also, I had a better paying job before a week was out, most of us that worked there saw it coming and been networking and polishing our resumes. Maybe thats what the NP3 devs should have been doing also. Life sucks and you always don't get what you think is fair.
I miss DAoC
There are some Murderers, Rapists, Extortionist, Terrorist, Scammers, Swindlers, Thieves,
and many types of low lives that also have FAMILIES.
Should we care about them too?
What do you mean by "Not attaking america ..." but "you attak game becaus it is not american ..."?
Make up your mind!
I think some one above you just posted other games that you think are purely American that are not.
We do not bash to stop others from playing.
We state FACTS for others to know the TRUTH!
Maybe next time I see a thief/murderer/rapist I should just let them go instead of doing soemthing about it?
Who knows, maybe they have FAMILES and they shouldn't lose their job for going to jail?
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I could care less of nationality. Either a game is good or not.
Just FYI I currently play only Korean MMO's.
This post feels like Smed or some competitor. It display typical french stereotypes combined with a Verant attitude.
But if it entertain you guys, enjoy!
I would bet that this guy can't hold a conversation in French.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Game is more complex ON PAPER. As none of these features are implemented, and the ones that are in game , are constantly broken, the only complexity here is getting into the game in the first place.
Bah, let them have their post counts, so they can give fake ratings.
I would really love to see the response to the game reviewers these fanobis have. Can you imagine them arguing the same points with a professional game reviewer? LOL
They are already saying its the Americans that are making this game fail -- yet it was from a FRENCH forum and a FRENCH reviewer that stated this is the "worst game ever given to him". Kinda dampens their arguement there now doesnt it? Wonder if they sent him a "pity the poor man" letter?
It absolutely boggles the mind to think the Devs are seriously believing its not their borked game but the hatebois that have made it such a failure. Lets also not forget the horrible treatment from the support staff of its community members even before they launched DNL. The community was in shambles since the release of SOG and there is no stopping the downward fall. Lets also not forget the horrible treatment from the billing/accounts dept which still continues. Blaming the hatebois for every hilarious misstep, every borked feature, a max 100 player connection launch, censorship, guerilla marketing, gestapo moderators and callous GMs, all the while telling you this is an amazing game in the same sentence that everything that is amazing about it isnt even in the game yet. Concentrating the energy on attacking the hatebois, game sites, etc is their goal since SOG.
The Developers do not understand that 'throwing in the towel" would certainly save them face. Professionalism obviously has no comprehension in their arena. Arrogance, intolerance, blame throwing, high level of stubbornness that has no basis, irrational persistance, woeful inexperience and finally, greed are all top rated.
Over a year ago, I got into 'beta'. Want to know how many hours of testing I was able to actually 'test' the game. Very few, I would say probably less than 100. This was because of many factors, that happen in betas, sure. However, SoG came out, beta STOPPED. Did it ever stop again? No. So tell me, how is this good development. Testers that had been there longer than I had would post regarding the same issues that were there a year previous. They would tell us that we weren't testing everything, that a lot of testing was being done internally. Dev communications were nearly non-existant, we had to take it on faith that they were actually listening. Obviously, our faith was misplaced and the game that is there now, is pretty much what we saw in beta.
This has nothing to do with 'who' made the game. It has everything to do with production/development of the game.
Someone already listed many 'great' games that have come from outside of the US. Another great hopefull game is Darkfall Online. It originally was being developed in Norway, then the team moved to Greece. Pretty sure neither of those countries are American.
And sure, some will stick with DnL, and it might even last a year or two and finally become an 'ok' game. But as it stands now, it is a blight on the MMO genre as it is another game that released too early, and unfinished.
Niccoli
This post feels like Smed or some competitor. It display typical french stereotypes combined with a Verant attitude.
But if it entertain you guys, enjoy!
I would bet that this guy can't hold a conversation in French.
Look Jean, even a D&L Supporter is not agreeing with you!
Some people can see a farce from a mile away.
Does not matter what facade you use.
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In all fairness, it has new features not in any other MMO. Let me list them (these are items I was able to try before release):
Snowboarding.
Hangliding.
Parachuting.
Um, thats all I can think of. The rest, has been done before, and done a hell of a lot better to boot. It's been a while since anyone has topped Funcom and Shadowbane in a poor release. Way to go Dark and Light!!
Niccoli
This post feels like Smed or some competitor. It display typical french stereotypes combined with a Verant attitude.
But if it entertain you guys, enjoy!
I would bet that this guy can't hold a conversation in French.
Somehow I don't think that John Smedly or Rob Pardo are really losing much sleep over DnL and Farlan. They might use it as a example of how to screw up a MMORPG at this years GDC in Austin, but that's about it.
I miss DAoC
The valid and honest posts about this game, the posters who post are NOT responsible for the poor and inexcusable (in-ex-cus-a-ble - means there is no excuse sufficient) state of the game. The nationality of the game has nothing to do with the piss poor game they have produced. A piss poor game that is one of the most expensive at that. Several of the games that are well received in America are not even made in America, nor is the company headquarted in America.
The AMERICANS are not responsible for a unfinished, unplayable and overall poorly produced game.
Yeah who's the arrogant one? You think people dislike D&L because it's not American? You really, seriously think that's the problem?
The reason people dislike D&L is because it's a rather bad amateur attempt at a mmorpg. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's not American (although I personally don't like the translations). The game is crap. The world is beautiful, but the game is crap. It's obvious the devs don't really know what they're doing. I mean the terrain engine isn't even theirs, and that's the best part of the game!
These devs may not deserve to lose their jobs, but they will. Face reality here bud. D&L is a flop and is getting nothing but bad press. They had better hire some very experienced devs and coders if they want to raise this game from the garbage heap!
Freaking ignorant non-Americans who think Americans are against everything non-American and mention it all the time just tick me off. They have no clue; they're just bitter.
And btw, I don't like WoW either. At the moment, there is no mmorpg I'm interested in. They're all too simple and static. I play NWN for my multiplayer RPG fix. I've never been interested in WoW, never played SWG, never tried that online Final Fantasy, was terribly disappointed with Guild Wars, and was disappointed in the changes Horizons made from it's original concept. I played EQ 6 years ago and enjoyed it, followed by a year or so of DAOC. And from there I got bored with mmorpg's. D&L was gonna be THE game for me. It was the one game that offered things no other mmorpg could offer. So believe me, if anyone's disappointed it's me.
So now I play NWN on small persistent servers. The roleplaying is better, the content is more imaginative, the content is way more dynamic (DM's can change or do anything they want at any time), and it's all around a more fun game than this pile of poo called D&L.
No longer visiting MMORPG.com.
Oh right, and then failed miserably....what a pity.
No longer visiting MMORPG.com.
Oh right, and then failed miserably....what a pity.
The really sad thing is that Irth Online is 100 times a better game than DnL. At release it had more content, better stability, better design, better devs, better community and deeper gameplay than DnL has. While Irth Online is certainly a low budget bad game it will likely survive much longer than DnL. Which is sad. Its hard to imagine that Farlan could really mess up this game as bad as they did. Most people here have known for years that DnL was most likley going to be a very poor game. But I don't think any of us thought or even imagined that they or anyone could make a game this bad.
Well Jeanlouiseke,
Thats funny... So you call a game where nothing works ( the transport system broke most balloons since yesterday dont function anymore and guess what NO SUPPORT)... is complicated dynamics ? And many non americans are upset also. Of course its so easy to say its a nice design i actually agree on paper it all looked great but the execution totally sucks. Looks lke some developers having fun with NO guidance, no nothing...
Customer support means transport system broke you fix it within a few horus as thats a main feature. XP capped to high you urgently fix it. and so on.... we are waiting more then a week now for what ? A miracle patch ? lol will not happen.
This is not a beta anymore we paid for this game. And yes americans expect quality when you pay for something (so do most europeans). There is no need to point a finger to any country here except to Ile de La Reunion as i saw this one coming all the devs on the beach laughing....
Hey flip flop, people are bashing this game because it's sucks, PERIOD. I personally don't care what country a game was developed in. I play Korean MMOs as well as other here and some are quite fun. Are some of the people here trying to steer people away from DnL? Absolutely, positively, yes. But only because 1/3 of the promised featues and content are absent at release, a lot of people can't even log into the game they paid for, if they do the game crashes, factions are screwed up last I read. I could list hundreds of things that make this game being released a shitty, money making con job. That is the ONLY thing that is killing and will kill this game. Poor development, rude customer service (if they even respond at all.)
Why is releasing a game in this state bad? Hmmm, let's say DnL sold as many copies last week as they had active users on their forums a year ago. Guess what happens? Other companies jump on that we'll just put out a buggy, half done alpha product bandwagon. It's hurts the industry and it hurts the consumers. Simply put it makes all gamers look like morons. People should expect more as the MMO market grows. Not less with promises of adding crap later. These guys put out an incomplete game. They made their beds, now they can lay down in them. But trying to put the blame on people that don't like it is stupid.
Saying this game is failing because people tell the truth about it, or because Americans are just ignorant and arrogant is, well, ignorant and arrogant. If you cannot comprehend english well enough to read why people slam this game, it's not our fault.