Smoking

Vampir

ok here is my problem with smoking.

i think it should be made unaccessible in the first place.

me being a former and current smoker i can tell you that there are major problems with it.

First off at first smoking is the greatest relaxation ever it will give you immediate stress relief cheaply, and in most states minors can legally smoke and own ciggarettes even if they cant buy them

but the problem is the tobacco of today is not the same tobaco people in the old days grew up on the additives that they put in ciggarretes are not legal to put in any other substance, if coke put 1/10 of those chemicals they would be sued.

also once you start its nearly impossible to stop, and even if you stop for about 6 months like i did one drag of a ciggarette gives you the need for them again.

i personally think they should be banned.

Spathotan

The government isnt smart enough to ban something that causes cancer. Brings in to much money. Even those dumbasses in New York kept buying them after they boosted the prices up bigtime.

Rikimaru_X

Spathotan took the text right from my hands. So much money is made by the goverment on them that they just can't ban them.

Vampir

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Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
Spathotan took the text right from my hands. So much money is made by the goverment on them that they just can't ban them.

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i think that the costs of cancer and the the drain on the medicare and all health care systems might be able to meet or at least be in the same amount of zeroes.

i cant blame a lack of government ban on ciggarettes for me to start smoking.

or the fact my girlfriend is pissed cus i started smoking again cus i had a drag of one ciggarette and i was tempted because i hadnt seen that particular foreign cigarrette before.

it is an issue that people start for themselves that the government can prevent people from starting.

and if anyone gives me that its illegal only makes it more entising crap. it doesnt apply with tabbacco because it doesnt have enough of a high or intoxication

Vyava

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Originally posted by Vergeltung


i think that the costs of cancer and the the drain on the medicare and all health care systems might be able to meet or at least be in the same amount of zeroes.
i cant blame a lack of government ban on ciggarettes for me to start smoking.

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It is too ingrained at this point really, same as liquor was during inhabition. They made 2 counties in my area smoke free in restraunts and bars. guess what happened? The bars are closing down, so are the restraunts and the tax base has decreased. Now they are cancelling the clinics for children of uninsured parents.

It would have to be an entire country thing (people are actually driving ~1-2 hours across the state border to smoke while they eat/drink) or else will just hurt the economies of those banning smoking. I don't see a country wide ban happening considering the income off tobacco sales in the south.

lardmouth

Agreed, and then we should ban all forms of alcohol too.

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/factsheets/general_information.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/quickstats/general_info.htm

Vampir

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Originally posted by lardmouth

Agreed, and then we should ban all forms of alcohol too.
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/factsheets/general_information.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/quickstats/general_info.htm

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i dont agree with banning alcholol.........

drinking can be moderated and people can manage it responsible in a way that doesnt hurt their health 1/10 as much as their big mac.

modjoe86

I believe it's pefrectly fine...if people like me are dumb enough to kill themsvles and help the economy, it kills of idiots that smoke, strengthens the gene pool, and gives other corrupt people money I was stupid enough to spend.
Everyone wins but my lung cancer, but I'll have brought that upon myself.
Plus, cigarretes are just too good after a few drinks.

EDIT: sorry for all my topes, those few drinks I mentioned before...''

Double Edit: typos*

Vampir

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Originally posted by modjoe86
I believe it's pefrectly fine...if people like me are dumb enough to kill themsvles and help the economy, it kills of idiots that smoke, strengthens the gene pool, and gives other corrupt people money I was stupid enough to spend.
Everyone wins but my lung cancer, but I'll have brought that upon myself.
Plus, cigarretes are just too good after a few drinks.

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i do know a lot of people who only smoke when they drink and smoke less then a pack every 3 months.

the two go hand in hand.

drinking and smoking are like the olsen twins you can have sex with one but isnt the same as having sex with both......

saydur

It won't be outlawed not because of taxes, but because of big tobacco kickbacks to government.  Marijuana, if legalized and taxed, would be an excellent source of revenue.  It's not legal though, because big tobacco industries put plenty of lobbying pressure to keep it illegal.

I loathe smoking more than most people I'll ever know.  I saw my grandfather, a very strong working man, reduced to a frail shell of his former self due to lung cancer.  I fear for my mother suffering the same fate now.

However, I know it's difficult to outlaw something like that.  I think there's a degree of personal responsibility, but the industry has gone too far.  Additives make tobacco even more addictive and harmful.  Illegalize the additives, rely solely on natural tobacco, and make the filter butts biodegradable.  Threads of fiberglass keep those things around way, way too long.

Smoking is a terrible habit.  For all the relief of stress you get when smoking, it makes you more tense the rest of the time.  I doubt I'll change the minds of hundreds of people with this post, but if even one person decides to not pick the habit up because of something I've said, it's worthwhile.

modjoe86

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Originally posted by saydur
It won't be outlawed not because of taxes, but because of big tobacco kickbacks to government.  Marijuana, if legalized and taxed, would be an excellent source of revenue.  It's not legal though, because big tobacco industries put plenty of lobbying pressure to keep it illegal.

I loathe smoking more than most people I'll ever know.  I saw my grandfather, a very strong working man, reduced to a frail shell of his former self due to lung cancer.  I fear for my mother suffering the same fate now.

However, I know it's difficult to outlaw something like that.  I think there's a degree of personal responsibility, but the industry has gone too far.  Additives make tobacco even more addictive and harmful.  Illegalize the additives, rely solely on natural tobacco, and make the filter butts biodegradable.  Threads of fiberglass keep those things around way, way too long.

Smoking is a terrible habit.  For all the relief of stress you get when smoking, it makes you more tense the rest of the time.  I doubt I'll change the minds of hundreds of people with this post, but if even one person decides to not pick the habit up because of something I've said, it's worthwhile.

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I hate my habit, but to quit smoking I   woyld have to give up vodka, and that's just not an option.
I know, I'm a slave to idiocy.

Rikimaru_X

People do want to ban them, but smoking might have to narrow down to the person rather than the goverment. Their might be riots if they were banned right now.

Motorhead

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Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
Spathotan took the text right from my hands. So much money is made by the goverment on them that they just can't ban them.

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Exactly.   Marijuana was banned in the US in the 30's(?) because of the health risks.

Here we are 75 years later, and our government won't do squat about tobacco because they don't wanna lose support of the 'special interests' and have to deal with 2,000 pissed off farmers in Kentucky.

Tobacco, in my opinion, is one of the most dangerous drugs our country has ever produced.  And nobody in Washington cares.

BTW, I've been a 2-pack a day smoker for almost 15 years now.    Hoping to quit after my Chicago trip next week, but damn, the tobacco companies know how to make an addicting product.   That wasn't by accident either.

  

Aldaron

Let's ban McDonald's while we're at it.

noname12345

Ban Hummers too. They pollute like crazy and if you get smacked by one on the road then good phucking bye.

Puoltry

It will NEVER be banned know why?

Its real simple you know that little stamp on the bottom?

Its a tax stamp.The govt gets their cut thats all they care about.

What you should be asking yourself is this:

Why is marijuana illegal when it has been shown to have medicinal benefits?(and last i checked it has never killed anyone from an overdose)

Why is  tobbaco illegal when in fact it has an actual warning label  telling  smokers  ho w it will harm them?

Phoenixs

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Originally posted by modjoe86

hate my habit, but to quit smoking I   woyld have to give up vodka, and that's just not an option.
I know, I'm a slave to idiocy.

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Why?

janjanson

I think it is a freedom of choice issue.

Vergeltung, don't give up giving up, I wish you luck if you try again.

Huvara

First of all if you do smoke, that choice is yours, and a bad choice at that. Just about everyone knows that smoking is bad for you, usually ending in cancer. Therefore you'd think they'd make the choice to quit, but no, because they are just to addicted to it, and all the time you hear about grandpa that died of lung cancer, or cancer of the esophogas (prolly butchered that) well guess what, in 20/30 years, thats you.

Noraxe

We need Less laws not more.





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SnaKey

I grew up in the suburbs of the Phillip Morris Corp.

A low level supervisor at the Marlboro Plant makes upwards of $200,000/yr

There is nothing they can do to stop ciggarrettes.

noname12345

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Originally posted by Noraxe
We need Less laws not more.





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I completely agree with you. Unfortunately we need to restrict things like cigs, alcohol, hummers...ect because they do kill people and are very dangerous to non smoking, non alcoholic, and/or non-hummer driving people and the environment. So i'm fine with people killing themselves (their choice) but when it starts affecting me and the world I live in, then they overstepped their boundaries.

Huvara

I completely agree with you. Unfortunately we need to restrict things like cigs, alcohol, hummers...ect because they do kill people and are very dangerous to non smoking, non alcoholic, and/or non-hummer driving people and the environment. So i'm fine with people killing themselves (their choice) but when it starts affecting me and the world I live in, then they overstepped their boundaries.

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I agree with you as well, and the most dangerous thing that I could possibly fathom would be a drunk hummer driver!

Wakizashi

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Originally posted by Vergeltung
i personally think they should be banned.

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Just because you are weak doesn't mean everyone else who enjoys smoking should be punished.

Spathotan

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Originally posted by Wakizashi

Originally posted by Vergeltung
i personally think they should be banned.

Just because you are weak doesn't mean everyone else who enjoys smoking should be punished.

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Im preety sure thats not what hes saying.

Wakizashi

Then what is trying to be said?