Well, you know, I remember when Everquest was the game to surpass, in terms of sales! It's nice to see how things change. From what I remember, there were some folks that predicted that WoW would do well, after Blizzard's success with Diablo. They weren't wrong.
Whether one likes WoW or not, I think it's informative to look at what makes WoW a game that so many people want to play.
Originally posted by Harafnir My nerves are much happier and much calmer since I left the budget servers of WoW and all their problems, downtime and "we thank you for your patience" a line they used at LEAST once a day. If that is "stable" and "quality" then I take junk any day, thank you very much. Because other games work, even 24 hours in a row. Oh and sorry, with junk I do not mean you... Your attitude makes junk look good. In other words, you fit perfectly in WoW!
It's too easy to get a rise out of you nerds.
Good lord. A Blizz fanboi has the balls to call everyone else "nerds"? Go back to WoW's General Dissing forums and whine for more nerfs.
Get over yourself. That's what turned me off from EVe (other than the snooze-fest gameplay) is the snooty, I'm-better-than-you attitude of the playerbase. If you think for one minute that if CCP wouldn't sell you out for a huge chunk of change, then you need to come back down to Earth...oh yeah you can't leave your ship can you?
They haven't sold out so far, despite the numerous offers they have received but nice try. It's funny, WoW players are like the rednecks of the MMO community, ignorance is a full time job for them.
Not sure why I post in threads like this but,.zzz here we go.
Solid stable game? bug free? naa nono nooo. That would be guildwars if anything,no games runs as perfect as that.
New stuff.content and smooth patchs? that would be eve,no other game adds stuff as fast or as smooth as eve.
EQ?
Daoc?
just to name a few,have a way more solid intrest.And will out last wow.Wow is like a 1 hit wounder band that rose to the top way to fast,and most of the 6mill subs will start to leave and not only leave but hate the game.
Injoy the hight well ya can,but anything over done that badly will fade away and be easy to forget.
Other games dont want to be like WoW they want to advertise and have a huge name like wow.the game it self sucks bags and the blind 6.5mill subs or what ever just dont know it yet,.And I feel the right to flame you with a stupid post like this,your a loser fanboy that gives the real wow players a bad name,.
Britney Spears has sold a hell of a lot more records than In Flames has, but I don't think that means that she's better at singing, just better at being a commercial whore.
Thus the difference between a WoW and an Eve Online. Eve is without a doubt the best MMORPG I've ever played, not necessarily the most fun, that would be AC. World of Warcraft is shallow and vapid but appeals to the masses. For the veteran gamer it doesn't offer much, just endless grinding and utter futility. The real quality in games is being able to control and alter the very landscape of the game itself, to really matter in the grand scheme of things. That's not possible in WoW, but it is possible in Eve and hopefully more games down the road.
edit *wtf, I didn't read but the first couple posts before replying.. apparently I'm not the first person to compare WoW and Britney Spears*
Sure they are all wanting to be like WoW. Just like how everyone wishes they were bill gates.
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
Their good name really helps, because balancing wise the game is horrible but most people ignore that. The game is very popular in europe and the US, but other games have more success in asia and they don't get so much publicity here, I don't think they all want to compare to WoW.
Originally posted by BuZZKilgore Sorry for being so rude to a couple of you guys.
Awww!! Comeon, group hugz!
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
Originally posted by Kyoruto Sure they are all wanting to be like WoW. Just like how everyone wishes they were bill gates.
Di-frickin'-tto.
Sure, WoW was a huge success, but that doesn't mean being like it is the only way to be successful. RFO was a huge success in Asia as well as FFXI. Ultima Online is effin' old, but it's still doing pretty well. Star Wars Galaxies used to be great until they started making changes every friggin' week.
Not every MMORPG wants to be like WoW. They just want to take Blizzard's money.
WoW isn't a "good" game. It just brought MMOs to the casual player, as well as have half of it's subscriptions practically already set before they even began developing.
Please if WOW was not a "Good" game almost all of the people would have bailed on it and blasted it on ever forum on the NET.... See Asherons Call 2 for just ONE example of this... The fact is and the fact that most of the haters dont wont to admit is that WOW was a very well made game and THE MOST SUCCESSFULL MMORPG to date.. While it may not be the best MMORPG to date its the most SUCCESSFULL in the money department and most of you people hate to admit it. Built in player base or not, if WOW truely was a bad game as many here on this site try to make you believe it would have crashed on its face by now. Agian see AC2 or even EQ2 which can also labled a major dissapointment.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by howeird Not every MMORPG wants to be like WoW. They just want to take Blizzard's money.
And to do that you would need to be a success world wide like WOW.. And to do that you would need to sell as many copys as WOW. And to do that you would need to have as big a fan base and as polished of a game as WOW. So agian tell us how these companys do not want to be like WOW(AKA Blizzard), please tell us agian so I can LaughOutLoud.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by Tinybina Originally posted by howeird Not every MMORPG wants to be like WoW. They just want to take Blizzard's money.
And to do that you would need to be a success world wide like WOW.. And to do that you would need to sell as many copys as WOW. And to do that you would need to have as big a fan base and as polished of a game as WOW. So agian tell us how these companys do not want to be like WOW(AKA Blizzard), please tell us agian so I can LaughOutLoud.
Or you can be like Bill Gates and steal ideas and such as that.
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
Regardless of some people's opinions, it is a fact that many games are now taking successful bits from WoW. Of course, this is to be expected because WoW is a successful, decent game. However, many things in WoW have come from other games such as Everquest, so this has happened with more games than WoW.
I turn to you now, father death. I beg of you, please consider you may have been wrong... -Blind Guardian
Originally posted by Rabidaskal Thats because you have 6M subscribers logging into god knows how many servers worldwide, at all hours of the day, 365 days a year. I agree it sucks, its a pop issue and Blizz should do something about it. But the game itself is stable, polished and relatively bug-free. Its not because of lazy devs who cant code for squat and who prolly sold their spare servers to buy more Cheetos. Like Farlan or SOE.
Do you honestly think with all blizzards servers the could support 6 MILLION people? Think about what your saying.. And your facts are wrong, 6 million people have "tried" WoW since release... This is including china.
Or you can be like Bill Gates and steal ideas and such as that.
Oh god the "Bill Gates: stole my idea" crap... RIIIGGGHHHTTT
Please, ever MMO to date with the exception of the first used something from another MMORPG... Miss me with that BS... Go cry in a corner hateboi, WOW will still be a number 1 hit when you come back.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
6M is the subscribers, isn't it? So I assume its not box sales, and doesn't include trial accounts or w/e, and thats their sub base so yes that includes all the Chinese, who presumably have their own Chienese servers etc.
ANYWAY, the point I was trying to make was: other companies, pls stop pushing out half-finished crap into the market! Like DnL which proudly announces that after many delays, the game is going live with 70% of the original promised content, and the content that IS in is bugged to hell. wtf? Or DDo which I honestly think shouldve have spent at least another 6 months making more content.
Bah Im tired and sleepy and annoyed at the MMO industry in general. Sorry if this didnt make any sense, night all.
I don''t really know when Humankind will die out but i''m guessing about 6 years before WOW. -BarCrow
Originally posted by devian But if you have 6M subscribers, pulling in 15$ a month, and your servers aren't stable.. then something is wrong.
QFT
Blizzard has one heck of a successful game on their hands. But I'm sorry, when you are raking in 90 million a MONTH from subscriptions there is absolutely no excuse to have server downtime on the level they do. It's almost criminal.
I personally don't like WoW. I think it's a shallow game with limited vision and a boring end-game. But it *IS* very successful. So successful that it stuns me that they can't keep their servers running. And with as basic as the graphics are (very low poly, not even high rez textures, no bump mapping, etc.) there is no excuse for their servers to be crashing as much as they are. That's just shoddy and uncaring support.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online. Sig image Pending Still in: A couple Betas
MMO's are computer games. Computer games do not think or feel, and are not capable of jealousy. I also do not believe that any MMO developer would wish to actually become an MMO, but that's admittedly just a guess on my part.
Originally posted by BuZZKilgore You can slam WoW all you want but the fact is that every MMO on the market is jealous of WoW's success. Even CCP would "dumb-down" Eve if it would bring in the bling-bling like WoW does. I don't even play WoW anymore but I have yet to find another MMO as polished and bug free. Sure it has it's faults but the fact is, any other MMO developer would give their left nut to be WoW.
Originally posted by Tinybina Originally posted by Kyoruto
Or you can be like Bill Gates and steal ideas and such as that.
Oh god the "Bill Gates: stole my idea" crap... RIIIGGGHHHTTT
Please, ever MMO to date with the exception of the first used something from another MMORPG... Miss me with that BS... Go cry in a corner hateboi, WOW will still be a number 1 hit when you come back.
Who's crying psycho? You only named one option I named the other. whats wrong with that? Or are you one of those people that can only see one path even when there are millions of different roads to take. I'm sorry I hurt your fanboi ego and your one sided mind into thinking that there isn't just one path.
Go back to your little white room fanboi and wait for the nurse to give you your meds. Just cause someone makes a comment about absolutely nothing you get all butt hurt and call them a hater? What the hell is wrong with your mind boi?
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
Originally posted by BuZZKilgore Originally posted by zaxtor99
- Zaxx
Get over yourself. That's what turned me off from EVe (other than the snooze-fest gameplay) is the snooty, I'm-better-than-you attitude of the playerbase. If you think for one minute that if CCP wouldn't sell you out for a huge chunk of change, then you need to come back down to Earth...oh yeah you can't leave your ship can you?
Truly spoken like someone who didn't have the attention span necessary to last through the tutorial!
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
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Well, you know, I remember when Everquest was the game to surpass, in terms of sales! It's nice to see how things change. From what I remember, there were some folks that predicted that WoW would do well, after Blizzard's success with Diablo. They weren't wrong.
Whether one likes WoW or not, I think it's informative to look at what makes WoW a game that so many people want to play.
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mszv
Good lord. A Blizz fanboi has the balls to call everyone else "nerds"? Go back to WoW's General Dissing forums and whine for more nerfs.
Guild Wars is still an MMO.
They haven't sold out so far, despite the numerous offers they have received but nice try. It's funny, WoW players are like the rednecks of the MMO community, ignorance is a full time job for them.
Not sure why I post in threads like this but,.zzz here we go.
Solid stable game? bug free? naa nono nooo. That would be guildwars if anything,no games runs as perfect as that.
New stuff.content and smooth patchs? that would be eve,no other game adds stuff as fast or as smooth as eve.
EQ?
Daoc?
just to name a few,have a way more solid intrest.And will out last wow.Wow is like a 1 hit wounder band that rose to the top way to fast,and most of the 6mill subs will start to leave and not only leave but hate the game.
Injoy the hight well ya can,but anything over done that badly will fade away and be easy to forget.
Other games dont want to be like WoW they want to advertise and have a huge name like wow.the game it self sucks bags and the blind 6.5mill subs or what ever just dont know it yet,.And I feel the right to flame you with a stupid post like this,your a loser fanboy that gives the real wow players a bad name,.
Britney Spears has sold a hell of a lot more records than In Flames has, but I don't think that means that she's better at singing, just better at being a commercial whore.
Thus the difference between a WoW and an Eve Online. Eve is without a doubt the best MMORPG I've ever played, not necessarily the most fun, that would be AC. World of Warcraft is shallow and vapid but appeals to the masses. For the veteran gamer it doesn't offer much, just endless grinding and utter futility. The real quality in games is being able to control and alter the very landscape of the game itself, to really matter in the grand scheme of things. That's not possible in WoW, but it is possible in Eve and hopefully more games down the road.
edit *wtf, I didn't read but the first couple posts before replying.. apparently I'm not the first person to compare WoW and Britney Spears*
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Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
Their good name really helps, because balancing wise the game is horrible but most people ignore that. The game is very popular in europe and the US, but other games have more success in asia and they don't get so much publicity here, I don't think they all want to compare to WoW.
Sorry for being so rude to a couple of you guys.
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
Sure, WoW was a huge success, but that doesn't mean being like it is the only way to be successful. RFO was a huge success in Asia as well as FFXI. Ultima Online is effin' old, but it's still doing pretty well. Star Wars Galaxies used to be great until they started making changes every friggin' week.
Not every MMORPG wants to be like WoW. They just want to take Blizzard's money.
Please if WOW was not a "Good" game almost all of the people would have bailed on it and blasted it on ever forum on the NET.... See Asherons Call 2 for just ONE example of this... The fact is and the fact that most of the haters dont wont to admit is that WOW was a very well made game and THE MOST SUCCESSFULL MMORPG to date.. While it may not be the best MMORPG to date its the most SUCCESSFULL in the money department and most of you people hate to admit it. Built in player base or not, if WOW truely was a bad game as many here on this site try to make you believe it would have crashed on its face by now. Agian see AC2 or even EQ2 which can also labled a major dissapointment.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Or you can be like Bill Gates and steal ideas and such as that.
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Regardless of some people's opinions, it is a fact that many games are now taking successful bits from WoW. Of course, this is to be expected because WoW is a successful, decent game. However, many things in WoW have come from other games such as Everquest, so this has happened with more games than WoW.
I turn to you now, father death. I beg of you, please consider you may have been wrong...
-Blind Guardian
Please, WoW wouldnt be flamed to hell if people would stop posting this crap!
Oh god the "Bill Gates: stole my idea" crap... RIIIGGGHHHTTT
Please, ever MMO to date with the exception of the first used something from another MMORPG... Miss me with that BS... Go cry in a corner hateboi, WOW will still be a number 1 hit when you come back.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
6M is the subscribers, isn't it? So I assume its not box sales, and doesn't include trial accounts or w/e, and thats their sub base so yes that includes all the Chinese, who presumably have their own Chienese servers etc.
ANYWAY, the point I was trying to make was: other companies, pls stop pushing out half-finished crap into the market! Like DnL which proudly announces that after many delays, the game is going live with 70% of the original promised content, and the content that IS in is bugged to hell. wtf? Or DDo which I honestly think shouldve have spent at least another 6 months making more content.
Bah Im tired and sleepy and annoyed at the MMO industry in general. Sorry if this didnt make any sense, night all.
I don''t really know when Humankind will die out but i''m guessing about 6 years before WOW.
-BarCrow
Its certainly not a BAD game, it does alot of things right.
At the same time its nothing special.
Blizzard has one heck of a successful game on their hands. But I'm sorry, when you are raking in 90 million a MONTH from subscriptions there is absolutely no excuse to have server downtime on the level they do. It's almost criminal.
I personally don't like WoW. I think it's a shallow game with limited vision and a boring end-game. But it *IS* very successful. So successful that it stuns me that they can't keep their servers running. And with as basic as the graphics are (very low poly, not even high rez textures, no bump mapping, etc.) there is no excuse for their servers to be crashing as much as they are. That's just shoddy and uncaring support.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
Oh god the "Bill Gates: stole my idea" crap... RIIIGGGHHHTTT
Please, ever MMO to date with the exception of the first used something from another MMORPG... Miss me with that BS... Go cry in a corner hateboi, WOW will still be a number 1 hit when you come back.
Who's crying psycho? You only named one option I named the other. whats wrong with that? Or are you one of those people that can only see one path even when there are millions of different roads to take. I'm sorry I hurt your fanboi ego and your one sided mind into thinking that there isn't just one path.
Go back to your little white room fanboi and wait for the nurse to give you your meds. Just cause someone makes a comment about absolutely nothing you get all butt hurt and call them a hater? What the hell is wrong with your mind boi?
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
Truly spoken like someone who didn't have the attention span necessary to last through the tutorial!
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!