Bah...I dunno _Pix_. Some lawyers just know when they are gonna run into a wall and wouldnt spend time or their reputations on the shenanigans of Farlan.
Then again, maybe the lawyers know a good cow when they see one and will continue to milk this stuff for a ton of money from Farlan knowing there is a wall at the end.
Either way, with the full story, there really seems to be no other result from this, when it does eventually happen.
**kills me too they have the gall to ask you for tech assistance even after all this. Surely SG knows the story? If not, then shoot, I'd be firing some people if it were my company LOL
Of course SG knows ... I wrote them after the press release announcing their partnership with Farlan was published in May 2005. And the WarCry article was translated in Chinese and was quite easy to find. Well, you know, it seems Snail people can be slow sometimes... It took them more than one year and a half to discover it might be in their interest to address the original author of the tech they are trying to use, without having the proper "design" documents to do it. But just like Farlan maybe they still hang on to the idea that techies are interchangeable robots (oh yes didn't I hear somewhere that "no one was irreplaceable"?).
Of course SG knows ... I wrote them after the press release announcing their partnership with Farlan was published in May 2005. And the WarCry article was translated in Chinese and was quite easy to find. Well, you know, it seems Snail people can be slow sometimes... It took them more than one year and a half to discover it might be in their interest to address the original author of the tech they are trying to use, without having the proper "design" documents to do it. But just like Farlan maybe they still hang on to the idea that techies are interchangeable robots (oh yes didn't I hear somewhere that "no one was irreplaceable"?). Oh BTW, BigWorld knows also, of course.
What I don't seem to understand is, did you lend them the program to base their game on and then retract the offer once you left the company?
I mean I don't see what Farlan could do. Their game is based on that engine and complying to your demands means that they will have to take the game down completly and all the lost money would have been in vain. I dunno I feel like I'm missing something.
What I don't seem to understand is, did you lend them the program to base their game on and then retract the offer once you left the company? I mean I don't see what Farlan could do. Their game is based on that engine and complying to your demands means that they will have to take the game down completly and all the lost money would have been in vain. I dunno I feel like I'm missing something.
This is an entire thread right here, this one, that has all the answers to your questions. Just a bit of reading near the beginning of this thread will tell ya all ya wanna know. Your comment on his "demands" is quite out of place.
As a sidenote > Farlan and "all that lost money would have been in vain"........maybe you should check out the multitude of threads regarding the rip offs Farlan did to thousands of ppl at the start of the "free" SOG, then check out the "Farlan says no refund even though we havent released the game yet" threads then check out the double or triple charging on the credit card threads, then check out the charged when you are cancelled and havent played in over 6 months threads, then hop on over to the "charging per month but cant log in due to the screwed up billing and account verification system for over 3 months now" threads........
What I don't seem to understand is, did you lend them the program to base their game on and then retract the offer once you left the company? I mean I don't see what Farlan could do. Their game is based on that engine and complying to your demands means that they will have to take the game down completly and all the lost money would have been in vain. I dunno I feel like I'm missing something.
Well, as just said Cholayna, I think all the story is written into this thread. A quick recap:
I am developing a technology since 1996, Farlan's people asked me to make use of its 2002 version for the development of DnL. Our deal was that they communicate upon their usage of this technology in the development of DnL. It was the case in 2004 when NPCube released the private beta version, but "strangely" they removed the mention after E3 2004, in May ( and I can tell you they met quite a lot people interested in DnL/Mafate at E3, I was there!!). A year later, they announced a 3 million euro deal with a Chinese company and they gave them the source code (including the technology), and all of this without my consent.
After an article published by WarCry, they declared I was a salaried employee and that all I did belonged to them. I was a salaried employee of NPCube from March 2003 to July 2004 and my job was not to develop a technology. My job was to work on the client engine (Mafate) which makes use of my technology.
Anyway, the technology was integrated into Mafate/DnL a long time before I was on payroll as a salaried employee at NPCube since the first presentation of the off-line Alpha of the game was done in Feb/March 2003. It was my company (the one I owned and which VWORLD succeeds to) which made the integration of VWorldTerrain (Called V-world at the time) from April 2002 to March 2003.
Then, in 2005/2006, they declared that they re-wrote the engine after I of course required that they stop using it without quoting VWorldTerrain technology as the terrain engine used in their Mafate/DnL framework. I knew that they still used the tech judging by SoG and the beta of DnL, despite their claim of having written a "new" Mafate 2.0 engine. So upon Court order bailiffs came to check that it was a fact they were still using VWorldTerrain algorithms in June 2006, at NPCube's Reunion Island offices.
Today, NPCube/Farlan are still making use of VWordTerrain, SnailGame too and they are publicly funded to work with my technlogy on a public project. As I said below, SnailGame asked VWORLD for technical cooperation (not really technical questions, as I mentionned) as they pretended to be interested in VWorldTerrain for other titles that they intend to release in their line of products. I suspect they have some comprehension issues with the source code NPCube/Farlan sold them. But SnailGame pretended not to know about a potential issue on the ownership of the terrain technology. Despite the fact that I had written them in the summer 2005, to inform them that the deal that they signed with Farlan was done without my consent. Futhermore, since I had no choice but to intervene publicly in person to denounce all the lies spread by Farlan and NPCube and Alchemic Dreams, it is totally impossible that SnailGame was not informed. (all the more so that SnailGame have forum accounts on the DnL official boards). I am considering anyone who's worked on DnL pretending not to know about this issue as a liar/accomplice. I truly hope these people are reading these boards. And I truly think they do, judging by recent events.
VWORLD is now sueing NPCube/Farlan, this following the legal action for Intellectual Property violation I started in Sept 2006. Farlan is no "small company/small means", contrary to what some people try hard to make the general public believe NPCube is.
The issue for VWORLD and I is that all these people count on the very slow legal system and are still working hard, spreading their venom against me, making use of viral marketing just to destroy my respectability, with the aim of killing my present business and making sure our projects won't be an obstacle to their plans.
So, to answer your question, the only think I asked for was that they mentionned that they were using VWorldTerrain in Mafate/DnL. And I guess you know why: just as any author would do, I am wanting people to respect my Intellectual Property rights, that is to say quite simply obtain that they do not pretend that my work is theirs and that they do not pretend they have the right to sell it on whatever false pretences. Which is nonetheless what they did very easily, and are still doing.
edit: replaced NPCube by Farlan's people since NPCube was not formed yet...
Pix, I really appreciate your summary of the issues between you and Farlan. Hosnetly, I really didn't want to search through page after page on the forums to find all this out.
You seem to be a talented man with a legitimate complaint, though thus far I have only heard one side of the argument. At any rate I hope that justice will prevail ultimately.
In the meantime, I hope you will forgive me if I continue to play DnL, and enjoy it. If there were a game out there that could rival it's size and was finished, then I would play it. At this time I don't know of any.
As for the much over-used, and undefined pejorative of 'shill' which some have used, (not you--your posts have been very polite and informative), I can only say that if there are indeed paid employees of Farlan trying to post overly optomistic views of their game, I have not encountered them.
Good luck to you Pix, and thank you for your information.
You're welcome agh50. Of course do not hesitate indeed to make a good use of the above information. However I would strongly recommend, since you seem very interested in this issue, to read all the other posts on these boards, particularly those coming from people that spread NPCube/Farlan's rumours and lies.
Glad to hear you appreciate the big seamless world of Dark and Light.
As for the much over-used, and undefined pejorative of 'shill' which some have used, (not you--your posts have been very polite and informative), I can only say that if there are indeed paid employees of Farlan trying to post overly optomistic views of their game, I have not encountered them. Good luck to you Pix, and thank you for your information.
Pointing out that shills will be coming outta the woodwork to bury the topics they wish not to be seen is not being "un-polite" at all.
Seems to me you do alot of talk without reading or doing your homework at all. Not too lazy to post a ton of unimpressive posts but too lazy to read about what you trying to establish. Farlan has already demonstrated a history of the way they work. A pattern if you will. It is not an "un" polite comment nor an uninformative and unpolite fact -=== its a fact. Simple.
DNL has a big world yes. BFD, Without content and stability and honest devs, thats all ya got . A big empty world. And if you do your homework, there are many games out there that do in fact have a big world...difference is, there is content there and those games really do work.
Thousands of ppl have listened to the same crap over and over again. Their biggest claim to fame is a big world. Period. And that big world is from the work of someone else of which they are claiming ownership and exploitation of.
No one is stopping you from playing, nor trying to prevent you from playing. What most do have a problem with however is the sugar coated description of how you say this game is when there are literally thousands of others who have heard the same story, experienced the game and are disgusted by the continual ploys Farlan employs.
If you havent had a chance to meet many of the shills, check out some other sites. Their IP addresses relate right back to Reunion. I hardly think that Reunion Island has that many ppl (must be the entire population of the island!) playing and loving this game when the rest of the entire world has seen and heard it all and wont touch this game no matter if its free or not.
Like I said, no one is preventing you from playing, nor trying to prevent you from playing. Old timers here and most especially old timers who were screwed over by DNL however wont appreciate the sugarcoated fake avatars that post the inane credibility of this game.
Pix, I do indeed enjoy it, and although I hope your legal issues get resolved, I would be sad to see Ganareth disappear before a suitable replacement comes onto the market.
Honestly, I was a bit disappointed that your graphic engine and the thrust of your marketing, (if I read you correctly), seem to be going in directions away from gaming.
I would love to see it incorporated in some future game.
Cholayna, I fear that we will never see eye to eye, and so it would probably be best if we 'agree to disagree', and leave it at that.
Originally posted by agh50 Honestly, I was a bit disappointed that your graphic engine and the thrust of your marketing, (if I read you correctly), seem to be going in directions away from gaming.
That's something else that would be made understandable from reading through the past forum posts here. The engine used for DnL was never meant to be used as a gaming engine to begin with.
_Pix_, good to see you're still up and running, man. Keep chuggin', bro.
That's something else that would be made understandable from reading through the past forum posts here. The engine used for DnL was never meant to be used as a gaming engine to begin with.
_Pix_, good to see you're still up and running, man. Keep chuggin', bro. HIYA, Cho!!
Pix, I do indeed enjoy it, and although I hope your legal issues get resolved, I would be sad to see Ganareth disappear before a suitable replacement comes onto the market. Honestly, I was a bit disappointed that your graphic engine and the thrust of your marketing, (if I read you correctly), seem to be going in directions away from gaming. I would love to see it incorporated in some future game. .
I never said VWorldTerrain technology was not going to be used in another game engine, much on the contrary. If you had a look at our website, you would see we've never been "going away" from video games. Much much on the contrary, since we have began developing the first phases of an MMO engine, whose size would truly be unmatched (510 millions square kilometers, seamless rendering from ground to space, 1cm resolution at the ground level). Click on this gallery. (made by our beta testers)
But without fairies nor trolls this time: no heroic fantasy planned, sorry.
So I'm really happy to announce to you that it will be incorporated in a future game, definitely.
It looks fantastic! I definately will be signing up for that one. Although high fantasy is my genre of choice, I'll have to make an exception for this one.
Perhaps someday I will get both the world and the genre I have been searching for, lo these many years!
ummmm Agh50? Hows come you answering for nightbirds post and in the manner of nightbird? It was nightbird that asked the question, nightbird who was answered and here you go saying thanx etc etc. Gee, got a double account here?
Figures
BWAHAHHAAAAAAAAA
incredible.
Originally posted by agh50
Pix, I really appreciate your summary of the issues between you and Farlan. Hosnetly, I really didn't want to search through page after page on the forums to find all this out.
Possibly because there were two parallell conversations going on simultaneously, and that I had the same types of questions for Pix that Nightbird did?
This is precisely the type of thing I was talking about vis-a-vie politeness and intelligent discourse.
I came to these boards in good faith to offer what (I thought) would be helpful information on DnL and the state of the game since I reactivated my account.
Many people do not like the game or the company. I understand that, and I understand the reasons for it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Thus far, I have been called lazy, unintelligent, dishonest, a shill for Farlan, and sent insulting private messages; and all in less than 20 posts! It does appear to these aged eyes that there is only one opinion that will be tolerated here.
Wellll, one thing you should have learned then from the response of your 20 or so posts ---- this site doesnt put up with the flimflam from Farlan nor the croonies of.
Has always been that way, even before the game came out. This forum doesnt like rumors, lies or misleading info. When SOG hit, the attitude here was one of explosive anger and disillusion. Turned out their 3-4 years of faithfully following the game, pre-ordering, etc was all a big sham.
Many games have been played here in this forum by Farlan, NPC and Alchemic Dreams. Most have been called out and shown for what they were. You cant blame any of the long time posters here for an attitude of disgust and an expectation of more games and deceitful practices by those 3 companies. DNL so spectatularly blew it all not only with the incompetent devs but also in their marketing, customer service and arrogance but blew it all with the trust and loyalty of thousands of ppl. The kicker was the devs themselves blamind those same loyal ppl for the sham this game really was and still is. After almost a year, it still hasnt the stability, content or motivation in itself such as they promised for years. There never was a DNL ready for the masses. Even SOG was a lie. Trust from the overall mmo player was wiped out.
DNL will never get that back. No matter how many mindgame marketing games they play on forums, news releases or even on their own game site. No matter how many more years it may take for them to get the game to meet 1999 standards. Heck, there was even a petition attempted here to take this forum and any mention of DNL off the entire site. So you see, it isnt just the forum posters here who have slammed the door on a company attempting to fleece its player base.
If you arent willing to read for yourself, yes, you will be called lazy, especially when there is such a huge thread that can give you most of the information within the first 2-3 pages.
If you are here to try and sell this game to those that were following this for more than a couple years, then yes, you will be deemed some sort of shill. (again, a big empty unstable world does not a game make)
And if you turn this around, you are now blasting the majority of this forums posters for disagreeing with your own opinion. You gave your opinion, again and again. We gave ours. You dont agree with ours. We dont agree with yours. No amount of more and more posting regarding your own opinion over and over is gonna change any of the firmly established opinions already expressed here.
You cant blame the entire forum simply because they disagree with your opinion, no matter how times and in how many ways you express it. If you had bothered at all, you would have gotten a semblence of the general feelings of this forum towards DNL and the companies involved in it. You would have gotten an idea that having your sugar coated opinion agreed upon by all was not going to go over with blueberries and cream. Your continued insistence on the merits of a big empty unstable world only gives rise to the shenangans that were pulled by Farlan and AD and NPC previously.
This forum is known for its bluntness, frankness and truth. Statements need to be backed up by proof. Nothing is taken at face value. Always has been that way. Probably always will be.
Cholayana, at your behest, I have gone back and re-read the entire thread's posts. I found the same points made over and over, and over, and over, and over again by the same posters; over, and over, and over, and over. ad nauseum. Basically, "Farlan sucks!", "Pix, we luv you man!", and "Anybody who disagrees with us is a lying asshat!" Got it. I figured it out after the first ten--or twenty, --or fifty posts saying the same thing!
[*looks at the post count of 1339 vs. 23*]
I find it odd that you should chastise me for repeating my opinions too often, for I find that I must bow to the master of endlessly stating their opinion 1339 times; over 55 times in this thread alone if I count correctly; which, by the way, is significantly higher than my 5 posts in this thread or even Pix', who has a vested interest in the topic. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Pix was able to explain the situation clearly, concisely, and politely in one post, for which I thanked him.
You, however, have been abrasive, arrogant, rude, and insulting. One cannot help but wonder why you have let this issue consume you to such a degree. You act as if a woman scorned!
You talk of schills, and IP addresses, and Reunion Island. Well, I will take your word for it, as I have no idea whatever on how to find someone's IP address, or what it would mean if I did. However, if you are as knowledgible as you claim, then you should know that my IP address is not from Reunion Isalnd, but from Yuma, Arizona. I do not work for Farlan, I am a history teacher.
You have made it very clear that this is a private club, and that I am not welcome here.
Very well, I will acquiesce and leave you all to your own private hate-fest and move on. I will waste no more time on you. Ironically, my views on DnL are probably close to your own; however, your attitude has more than sufficed to put me off from attempting to continue any type of productive discussion.
Pix, thank you again, I am sorry, but I must say candidly that you are being tarred by association. I really had a fairly low opinion of DnL as a game, and said as much in other threads. Indeed, I ranked it lower than the rating MMORPG gave it.
I do like your world engine, very much. I came here to ask about the technical capabilities that it had which I did not see present in DnL. You answered those questions for me. I may give the game that is developing using it a try, (even though it is in a genre not to my tastes). However, if it brings a crowd such as I encountered here along with it, I will avoid it like the plague. A game is only as good as the people who play it, no matter how good or how poor the graphic engine may be. You may be able to suffer fools gladly, but I choose not to.
Dude, give it a rest. You think Im rude, abrasive and insulting? LOL You aint seen nuttin yet hon. Just keep going with your "this game is great, try it out!" posts and you will see I aint the only one who is tired of the bs.
Too lazy to read the first two pages of the same thread he posts a question about whats going on but he can go and count how many posts another poster has made?
Quit trying to discredit _Pix_ == its been proven that Farlan has lied and weaseled their way through these last few years regarding the use of stolen property. No amount of attempted discredit towards _Pix_ is going to change that fact. All of Farlan, NPC and even Alchemic Dreams have tried the same crap for quite some time and have not succeeded. Same crap, different wording but still the same crap, And the same methods.
_Pix_ will have his day. Farlan and NPC are already known as the losers of the mmo industry.
BigWorld better watch out. When the world finally figures out Farlan and NPC are buddybuddy with them, BW will given a wide berth also. Farlan and NPC are poison.
Too lazy to read the first two pages of the same thread he posts a question about whats going on but he can go and count how many posts another poster has made? Quit trying to discredit _Pix_ == its been proven that Farlan has lied and weaseled their way through these last few years regarding the use of stolen property. No amount of attempted discredit towards _Pix_ is going to change that fact. All of Farlan, NPC and even Alchemic Dreams have tried the same crap for quite some time and have not succeeded. Same crap, different wording but still the same crap, And the same methods. _Pix_ will have his day. Farlan and NPC are already known as the losers of the mmo industry. BigWorld better watch out. When the world finally figures out Farlan and NPC are buddybuddy with them, BW will given a wide berth also. Farlan and NPC are poison.
Aye, seems they have them out in full force yet again Must be needing to show someone just how "popular" and "amazing" ths game is so they need people to make it look like its actually working with the stolen tech that they dont know how to work even tho they claim to have produced it themselves
ummmm Agh50? Hows come you answering for nightbirds post and in the manner of nightbird? It was nightbird that asked the question, nightbird who was answered and here you go saying thanx etc etc. Gee, got a double account here? Figures BWAHAHHAAAAAAAAA incredible. Originally posted by agh50
Pix, I really appreciate your summary of the issues between you and Farlan. Hosnetly, I really didn't want to search through page after page on the forums to find all this out.
Hehe I think you might have jumped too that conclusion too fast :P.
No I am not agh50 and I can prove it with a single statement, "I don't play DnL".
Also yeah I didn't get to thank Pix for the info ( so thank you Pix, was very helpfull getting up to speed. Also I'm hoping you win the case ), but like you yourself mentioned, Agh50 pretty much did thank for me and everyone else who read the sum up.
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Bah...I dunno _Pix_. Some lawyers just know when they are gonna run into a wall and wouldnt spend time or their reputations on the shenanigans of Farlan.
Then again, maybe the lawyers know a good cow when they see one and will continue to milk this stuff for a ton of money from Farlan knowing there is a wall at the end.
Either way, with the full story, there really seems to be no other result from this, when it does eventually happen.
**kills me too they have the gall to ask you for tech assistance even after all this. Surely SG knows the story? If not, then shoot, I'd be firing some people if it were my company LOL
Of course SG knows ... I wrote them after the press release announcing their partnership with Farlan was published in May 2005. And the WarCry article was translated in Chinese and was quite easy to find. Well, you know, it seems Snail people can be slow sometimes... It took them more than one year and a half to discover it might be in their interest to address the original author of the tech they are trying to use, without having the proper "design" documents to do it. But just like Farlan maybe they still hang on to the idea that techies are interchangeable robots (oh yes didn't I hear somewhere that "no one was irreplaceable"?).
Oh BTW, BigWorld knows also, of course.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
What I don't seem to understand is, did you lend them the program to base their game on and then retract the offer once you left the company?
I mean I don't see what Farlan could do. Their game is based on that engine and complying to your demands means that they will have to take the game down completly and all the lost money would have been in vain. I dunno I feel like I'm missing something.
This is an entire thread right here, this one, that has all the answers to your questions. Just a bit of reading near the beginning of this thread will tell ya all ya wanna know. Your comment on his "demands" is quite out of place.
As a sidenote > Farlan and "all that lost money would have been in vain"........maybe you should check out the multitude of threads regarding the rip offs Farlan did to thousands of ppl at the start of the "free" SOG, then check out the " Farlan says no refund even though we havent released the game yet" threads then check out the double or triple charging on the credit card threads, then check out the charged when you are cancelled and havent played in over 6 months threads, then hop on over to the "charging per month but cant log in due to the screwed up billing and account verification system for over 3 months now" threads........
Well, as just said Cholayna, I think all the story is written into this thread. A quick recap:
I am developing a technology since 1996, Farlan's people asked me to make use of its 2002 version for the development of DnL. Our deal was that they communicate upon their usage of this technology in the development of DnL. It was the case in 2004 when NPCube released the private beta version, but "strangely" they removed the mention after E3 2004, in May ( and I can tell you they met quite a lot people interested in DnL/Mafate at E3, I was there!!). A year later, they announced a 3 million euro deal with a Chinese company and they gave them the source code (including the technology), and all of this without my consent.
After an article published by WarCry, they declared I was a salaried employee and that all I did belonged to them. I was a salaried employee of NPCube from March 2003 to July 2004 and my job was not to develop a technology. My job was to work on the client engine (Mafate) which makes use of my technology.
Anyway, the technology was integrated into Mafate/DnL a long time before I was on payroll as a salaried employee at NPCube since the first presentation of the off-line Alpha of the game was done in Feb/March 2003. It was my company (the one I owned and which VWORLD succeeds to) which made the integration of VWorldTerrain (Called V-world at the time) from April 2002 to March 2003.
Then, in 2005/2006, they declared that they re-wrote the engine after I of course required that they stop using it without quoting VWorldTerrain technology as the terrain engine used in their Mafate/DnL framework. I knew that they still used the tech judging by SoG and the beta of DnL, despite their claim of having written a "new" Mafate 2.0 engine. So upon Court order bailiffs came to check that it was a fact they were still using VWorldTerrain algorithms in June 2006, at NPCube's Reunion Island offices.
Today, NPCube/Farlan are still making use of VWordTerrain, SnailGame too and they are publicly funded to work with my technlogy on a public project. As I said below, SnailGame asked VWORLD for technical cooperation (not really technical questions, as I mentionned) as they pretended to be interested in VWorldTerrain for other titles that they intend to release in their line of products. I suspect they have some comprehension issues with the source code NPCube/Farlan sold them. But SnailGame pretended not to know about a potential issue on the ownership of the terrain technology. Despite the fact that I had written them in the summer 2005, to inform them that the deal that they signed with Farlan was done without my consent. Futhermore, since I had no choice but to intervene publicly in person to denounce all the lies spread by Farlan and NPCube and Alchemic Dreams, it is totally impossible that SnailGame was not informed. (all the more so that SnailGame have forum accounts on the DnL official boards). I am considering anyone who's worked on DnL pretending not to know about this issue as a liar/accomplice. I truly hope these people are reading these boards. And I truly think they do, judging by recent events.
VWORLD is now sueing NPCube/Farlan, this following the legal action for Intellectual Property violation I started in Sept 2006. Farlan is no "small company/small means", contrary to what some people try hard to make the general public believe NPCube is.
The issue for VWORLD and I is that all these people count on the very slow legal system and are still working hard, spreading their venom against me, making use of viral marketing just to destroy my respectability, with the aim of killing my present business and making sure our projects won't be an obstacle to their plans.
So, to answer your question, the only think I asked for was that they mentionned that they were using VWorldTerrain in Mafate/DnL. And I guess you know why: just as any author would do, I am wanting people to respect my Intellectual Property rights, that is to say quite simply obtain that they do not pretend that my work is theirs and that they do not pretend they have the right to sell it on whatever false pretences. Which is nonetheless what they did very easily, and are still doing.
edit: replaced NPCube by Farlan's people since NPCube was not formed yet...
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
Pix, I really appreciate your summary of the issues between you and Farlan. Hosnetly, I really didn't want to search through page after page on the forums to find all this out.
You seem to be a talented man with a legitimate complaint, though thus far I have only heard one side of the argument. At any rate I hope that justice will prevail ultimately.
In the meantime, I hope you will forgive me if I continue to play DnL, and enjoy it. If there were a game out there that could rival it's size and was finished, then I would play it. At this time I don't know of any.
As for the much over-used, and undefined pejorative of 'shill' which some have used, (not you--your posts have been very polite and informative), I can only say that if there are indeed paid employees of Farlan trying to post overly optomistic views of their game, I have not encountered them.
Good luck to you Pix, and thank you for your information.
You're welcome agh50. Of course do not hesitate indeed to make a good use of the above information. However I would strongly recommend, since you seem very interested in this issue, to read all the other posts on these boards, particularly those coming from people that spread NPCube/Farlan's rumours and lies.
Glad to hear you appreciate the big seamless world of Dark and Light.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
Pointing out that shills will be coming outta the woodwork to bury the topics they wish not to be seen is not being "un-polite" at all.
Seems to me you do alot of talk without reading or doing your homework at all. Not too lazy to post a ton of unimpressive posts but too lazy to read about what you trying to establish. Farlan has already demonstrated a history of the way they work. A pattern if you will. It is not an "un" polite comment nor an uninformative and unpolite fact -=== its a fact. Simple.
DNL has a big world yes. BFD, Without content and stability and honest devs, thats all ya got . A big empty world. And if you do your homework, there are many games out there that do in fact have a big world...difference is, there is content there and those games really do work.
Thousands of ppl have listened to the same crap over and over again. Their biggest claim to fame is a big world. Period. And that big world is from the work of someone else of which they are claiming ownership and exploitation of.
No one is stopping you from playing, nor trying to prevent you from playing. What most do have a problem with however is the sugar coated description of how you say this game is when there are literally thousands of others who have heard the same story, experienced the game and are disgusted by the continual ploys Farlan employs.
If you havent had a chance to meet many of the shills, check out some other sites. Their IP addresses relate right back to Reunion. I hardly think that Reunion Island has that many ppl (must be the entire population of the island!) playing and loving this game when the rest of the entire world has seen and heard it all and wont touch this game no matter if its free or not.
Like I said, no one is preventing you from playing, nor trying to prevent you from playing. Old timers here and most especially old timers who were screwed over by DNL however wont appreciate the sugarcoated fake avatars that post the inane credibility of this game.
Pix, I do indeed enjoy it, and although I hope your legal issues get resolved, I would be sad to see Ganareth disappear before a suitable replacement comes onto the market.
Honestly, I was a bit disappointed that your graphic engine and the thrust of your marketing, (if I read you correctly), seem to be going in directions away from gaming.
I would love to see it incorporated in some future game.
Cholayna, I fear that we will never see eye to eye, and so it would probably be best if we 'agree to disagree', and leave it at that.
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/bows
I would not expect you to. Reasonable men may reasonably disagree.
That's something else that would be made understandable from reading through the past forum posts here. The engine used for DnL was never meant to be used as a gaming engine to begin with.
_Pix_, good to see you're still up and running, man. Keep chuggin', bro.
HIYA, Cho!!
I never said VWorldTerrain technology was not going to be used in another game engine, much on the contrary. If you had a look at our website, you would see we've never been "going away" from video games. Much much on the contrary, since we have began developing the first phases of an MMO engine, whose size would truly be unmatched (510 millions square kilometers, seamless rendering from ground to space, 1cm resolution at the ground level). Click on this gallery. (made by our beta testers)
But without fairies nor trolls this time: no heroic fantasy planned, sorry.
So I'm really happy to announce to you that it will be incorporated in a future game, definitely.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
It looks fantastic! I definately will be signing up for that one. Although high fantasy is my genre of choice, I'll have to make an exception for this one.
Perhaps someday I will get both the world and the genre I have been searching for, lo these many years!
Thank you Pix.
ummmm Agh50? Hows come you answering for nightbirds post and in the manner of nightbird? It was nightbird that asked the question, nightbird who was answered and here you go saying thanx etc etc. Gee, got a double account here?
Figures
BWAHAHHAAAAAAAAA
incredible.
Bo Peep:
Possibly because there were two parallell conversations going on simultaneously, and that I had the same types of questions for Pix that Nightbird did?
This is precisely the type of thing I was talking about vis-a-vie politeness and intelligent discourse.
I came to these boards in good faith to offer what (I thought) would be helpful information on DnL and the state of the game since I reactivated my account.
Many people do not like the game or the company. I understand that, and I understand the reasons for it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Thus far, I have been called lazy, unintelligent, dishonest, a shill for Farlan, and sent insulting private messages; and all in less than 20 posts! It does appear to these aged eyes that there is only one opinion that will be tolerated here.
Incredible indeed!
Wellll, one thing you should have learned then from the response of your 20 or so posts ---- this site doesnt put up with the flimflam from Farlan nor the croonies of.
Has always been that way, even before the game came out. This forum doesnt like rumors, lies or misleading info. When SOG hit, the attitude here was one of explosive anger and disillusion. Turned out their 3-4 years of faithfully following the game, pre-ordering, etc was all a big sham.
Many games have been played here in this forum by Farlan, NPC and Alchemic Dreams. Most have been called out and shown for what they were. You cant blame any of the long time posters here for an attitude of disgust and an expectation of more games and deceitful practices by those 3 companies. DNL so spectatularly blew it all not only with the incompetent devs but also in their marketing, customer service and arrogance but blew it all with the trust and loyalty of thousands of ppl. The kicker was the devs themselves blamind those same loyal ppl for the sham this game really was and still is. After almost a year, it still hasnt the stability, content or motivation in itself such as they promised for years. There never was a DNL ready for the masses. Even SOG was a lie. Trust from the overall mmo player was wiped out.
DNL will never get that back. No matter how many mindgame marketing games they play on forums, news releases or even on their own game site. No matter how many more years it may take for them to get the game to meet 1999 standards. Heck, there was even a petition attempted here to take this forum and any mention of DNL off the entire site. So you see, it isnt just the forum posters here who have slammed the door on a company attempting to fleece its player base.
If you arent willing to read for yourself, yes, you will be called lazy, especially when there is such a huge thread that can give you most of the information within the first 2-3 pages.
If you are here to try and sell this game to those that were following this for more than a couple years, then yes, you will be deemed some sort of shill. (again, a big empty unstable world does not a game make)
And if you turn this around, you are now blasting the majority of this forums posters for disagreeing with your own opinion. You gave your opinion, again and again. We gave ours. You dont agree with ours. We dont agree with yours. No amount of more and more posting regarding your own opinion over and over is gonna change any of the firmly established opinions already expressed here.
You cant blame the entire forum simply because they disagree with your opinion, no matter how times and in how many ways you express it. If you had bothered at all, you would have gotten a semblence of the general feelings of this forum towards DNL and the companies involved in it. You would have gotten an idea that having your sugar coated opinion agreed upon by all was not going to go over with blueberries and cream. Your continued insistence on the merits of a big empty unstable world only gives rise to the shenangans that were pulled by Farlan and AD and NPC previously.
This forum is known for its bluntness, frankness and truth. Statements need to be backed up by proof. Nothing is taken at face value. Always has been that way. Probably always will be.
Cholayana, at your behest, I have gone back and re-read the entire thread's posts. I found the same points made over and over, and over, and over, and over again by the same posters; over, and over, and over, and over. ad nauseum. Basically, "Farlan sucks!", "Pix, we luv you man!", and "Anybody who disagrees with us is a lying asshat!" Got it. I figured it out after the first ten--or twenty, --or fifty posts saying the same thing!
[*looks at the post count of 1339 vs. 23*]
I find it odd that you should chastise me for repeating my opinions too often, for I find that I must bow to the master of endlessly stating their opinion 1339 times; over 55 times in this thread alone if I count correctly; which, by the way, is significantly higher than my 5 posts in this thread or even Pix', who has a vested interest in the topic. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Pix was able to explain the situation clearly, concisely, and politely in one post, for which I thanked him.
You, however, have been abrasive, arrogant, rude, and insulting. One cannot help but wonder why you have let this issue consume you to such a degree. You act as if a woman scorned!
You talk of schills, and IP addresses, and Reunion Island. Well, I will take your word for it, as I have no idea whatever on how to find someone's IP address, or what it would mean if I did. However, if you are as knowledgible as you claim, then you should know that my IP address is not from Reunion Isalnd, but from Yuma, Arizona. I do not work for Farlan, I am a history teacher.
You have made it very clear that this is a private club, and that I am not welcome here.
Very well, I will acquiesce and leave you all to your own private hate-fest and move on. I will waste no more time on you. Ironically, my views on DnL are probably close to your own; however, your attitude has more than sufficed to put me off from attempting to continue any type of productive discussion.
Pix, thank you again, I am sorry, but I must say candidly that you are being tarred by association. I really had a fairly low opinion of DnL as a game, and said as much in other threads. Indeed, I ranked it lower than the rating MMORPG gave it.
I do like your world engine, very much. I came here to ask about the technical capabilities that it had which I did not see present in DnL. You answered those questions for me. I may give the game that is developing using it a try, (even though it is in a genre not to my tastes). However, if it brings a crowd such as I encountered here along with it, I will avoid it like the plague. A game is only as good as the people who play it, no matter how good or how poor the graphic engine may be. You may be able to suffer fools gladly, but I choose not to.
Adieu, and bonne chance with your legal issues.
Dude, give it a rest. You think Im rude, abrasive and insulting? LOL You aint seen nuttin yet hon. Just keep going with your "this game is great, try it out!" posts and you will see I aint the only one who is tired of the bs.
Give it a rest.
Too lazy to read the first two pages of the same thread he posts a question about whats going on but he can go and count how many posts another poster has made?
Quit trying to discredit _Pix_ == its been proven that Farlan has lied and weaseled their way through these last few years regarding the use of stolen property. No amount of attempted discredit towards _Pix_ is going to change that fact. All of Farlan, NPC and even Alchemic Dreams have tried the same crap for quite some time and have not succeeded. Same crap, different wording but still the same crap, And the same methods.
_Pix_ will have his day. Farlan and NPC are already known as the losers of the mmo industry.
BigWorld better watch out. When the world finally figures out Farlan and NPC are buddybuddy with them, BW will given a wide berth also. Farlan and NPC are poison.
Aye, seems they have them out in full force yet again
Must be needing to show someone just how "popular" and "amazing" ths game is so they need people to make it look like its actually working with the stolen tech that they dont know how to work even tho they claim to have produced it themselves 
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Hehe I think you might have jumped too that conclusion too fast :P.
No I am not agh50 and I can prove it with a single statement, "I don't play DnL".
Also yeah I didn't get to thank Pix for the info ( so thank you Pix, was very helpfull getting up to speed. Also I'm hoping you win the case
), but like you yourself mentioned, Agh50 pretty much did thank for me and everyone else who read the sum up.
Anyway hope that clears up that confusion :P