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So, what's with Helios saying SWG is ending
Rekrul
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Don't know the details, apparently people have been banned for posting something on topic, but there's still disturbance in the forums.
Could be bogus though, but people here love rumors. The original post was apparently deleted, and nobody seems to be reposting it.
Could be bogus though, but people here love rumors. The original post was apparently deleted, and nobody seems to be reposting it.
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It is time to shut the game down since Helios isn't smart enough to get the subs up like an 80 year old on Viagra.
before you all flame me, just read this. This said this in the other
post.
game down than open a classic server or "rollback," if they can't get
subs up"
blame people for their mistakes, but i ask them to pay for them.
I mean if you think your right about the nge then I guess if you make
I personally think billions will but if you dont wanna admit that you
made
all goes well then, make ALL of the servers pre cu. Your subs will go
another post, not straight from Helios. So its not officialy true.
That's all I know.
Shutdown the game instead of admitting you made a mistake? That sounds like adolescent angst to me, not professionalism. Something perfectly in character for SOE and it's engineering staff.
But, just has SOE tried to set the standard of radical in-game changes, they propably don't want to set the expectation of "rollback" or otherwise caving into its customer base. For SOE,
that would have an immediate effect since us vets are really "terrorists" to them. For the Industry, it would be an example of how customers can force a direction of a game in a radical way. In the end, shutting down SWG is SOEs only viable course of action (and not because of the EMU), but they cannot afford to set the 'rollback' precedent.
But, just has SOE tried to set the standard of radical in-game changes, they propably don't want to set the expectation of "rollback" or otherwise caving into its customer base. For SOE,
that would have an immediate effect since us vets are really "terrorists" to them. For the Industry, it would be an example of how customers can force a direction of a game in a radical way. In the end, shutting down SWG is SOEs only viable course of action (and not because of the EMU), but they cannot afford to set the 'rollback' precedent.
Since "classic servers" are a "rollback", I thought SOE made such a move with another of their online games (was it EQ?). So, if I'm not mistaken, I think the precedent has already been set with regard to SOE and "rollbacks". And from what I can tell, we "terrorists" are not the only ones who are vocally calling for them. Paying customers have been doing it on the suckboards.
Of course, SOE has a knack for making decisions that fly in the face of logic with regard to this game. I wouldn't put it past them to introduce Elves and Orcs and Undead Jedi via some Force Warp Incident.
But, just has SOE tried to set the standard of radical in-game changes, they propably don't want to set the expectation of "rollback" or otherwise caving into its customer base. For SOE,
that would have an immediate effect since us vets are really "terrorists" to them. For the Industry, it would be an example of how customers can force a direction of a game in a radical way. In the end, shutting down SWG is SOEs only viable course of action (and not because of the EMU), but they cannot afford to set the 'rollback' precedent.
That's right. Can you imagine what will happen if the EQ1 players see that a rollback can be gotten in the same way?
You guys are living in a dream world:)
7 months ago you said swg gonna close down
4 months ago you said soe lost licence to swg and bioware gonna make pre cu swg
now you are starting from begining beliving in lies. Do you really beleive that come on?
I heard 10 accounts are canceled today
but you know what we lose 10 whiners everyday instead we get 100 new subs
We had a massive pvp battle today while you are crying.....
Get on with it your grandmas game is dead its real SWG time now.
heh, I wouldnt blame the guy if he did shut down the game. Had I been in the position to do so, believe me, Id have done it. Log into those forums and read the posts people make, its calmed down alot due to canceled subs but for those who remain it seems every other post is...
"Devs are you retarded"
"wtf did you do to the game"
"pls pls pls give us a rollback"
"Good goin SOE YOU RUINED THE GAME!"
"SOE AND THIER LIES!"
"YOU KILLED MY PETS!!"
"Ideas for a better SWG"
"I never thought this day would come"
And this is on a daily basis, people basicly ranting and claiming SOE lies, has lied or is lieing, how they ruined the game and how stupid the devs are, its pathetic..., but basicly all the players are doing is bashing the devs in almost every single post.
Man thats not a game anymore, empty servers, constant griping,whining and complaining on the boards and ingame.... its a RANTFEST and in my mind that game is done. Its not the game everyone used to like so much, sad thing is, the nge system has really made improvements from when it was put in, and thats comin from someone who hates the NGE. But yea like I said ..if i had to put up with people like the current playerbase bashin me all day everyday week after week? Hell yea I'd closer down and never look back lol.
Maybe those who have a personal stake in CUNGE might feel that way, but if NGE sinks to 50K subs (and it's heading there fast) and the beancounters know that loading up half a dozen servers with code they already have would increase that figure to 150K, they WILL be doing classic servers.
And this is exactly it. These new devs like Helios are a bunch of hacks that have been hacking this crap up and putting out half-assed crap since they're coveted NGE. The old people that made the great game are gone.
Helios, and all the rest of the new newb crew of coders they have know that if there's an executive decision to make the game the way it once was, and not this simple crap it is now, then they're screwed and out of the job.
This has been so obvious for so long.
And it's sad too because the old crew like Raph Koster and Co. certainly aren't going to come back. This game is F'ed. That's all there is to it.
The suits at SOE wanted to save a few bucks. They've been trying less to make a great game and more to save a few bucks since that Rage of the Wookies EQ'ish crap expansion came out. It just got way worse with the NGE.
Agentwise
I just think that the SWG team is starting to realize that people really do 'hate' them on a personal level, and its starting to show how it affects the decisions they make thu the fantastic statements being made by them. Some people go too far with the hate ( maybe I'm one who does -shrug-) but then so do they, i dont have a guilty feeling about it anymore.
They have to be stressing it now, almost 8 months after NGE launch , the hatred/bad reviews/horrible posts/etc ... has remained at the same level as it was then. When it hits you(SWG team) that maybe "they"(players) were right ,it tends to mess with your mind, especially when you bet it all on something you "knew" was a winner, like they thought about NGE.
Has got to be a really hostile and stressful workplace at SOE austin. I say not much longer until one of the people there really has an entertaining outburst on the forums or on a chat or a blog. its the only reason i still even check up on this game, to see how they handle it all. Yeah it is sad I do that.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
NGE can't turn the game around they would just mothball it and start
over. Whether SOE and LA could make some money off of classic servers
is really not the issue. It would not be the amount of subs or revenue
they think a Star Wars game should make. So shutting SWG down and
creating a new game seems to make good business sense. For LEC it is
all or nothing.
It is what they should have done in the 1st place. If SWG was not
meeting expectations, they should have just shut it down, and started
over. Instead they strung us along for over a year and forced 2 drastic
changes on its playerbase, and created alot of ill will for both
companies
My personal belief is they are going to give the NGE a full year of
development, then look and see what sub numbers are, and make a
determination. To anyone with any businiess sense, it is obvious that
SOE and LA can never recapture the number of vets and new customers to
ever make SWG a success again, it just is not possible. If the reported
sub #'s are right, and SWG is currently at 110k not including the
station pass, you have to ask yourself; if 350k subs were not enough
for them, how is it possible to even get back to that number from where
they are now? The game is joke to everyone but the few people that
still like the game, and at least half of the current subs hate the
game, but still play becuase of "Star Wars."
Common sense says there is no possible way, with the current state of
the game and the hosility of current and former players, SWG can turn
around and start rebuilding its playerbase. I expect a shut down
announcement in the next few months. I am intrested to see what the
devs have to say at the July meeting in San Diego.
Oh so bashing SOE and its players is on topic , But anyone who bashes you is trolling ? LAWL
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
More times than you can object to it. The community continues to make very clear what they want. So long as LA doesn't allow it, we'll keep posting about it.
I still don't understand why SWG got all the radical changes when it
was EQ/EQ2 most harmed by WoW... EQ's subs have fallen by more than
half. EQ2 did much the same. Those players went to WoW.
SWG held pretty steady at the 250K range for months after WoW came out,
even with the CU. Indeed, had they NOT done the NGE, SWG would likely
be SOE's most subscribed to title, with still around 240-250K subs,
particularly had they fixed bugs and added more content.
At the rate SWG's monthly net subscriber loss, even going by MMORPG's,
imho inflated numbers, SWG is losing 9K a month. At that rate (and I
think we lose more due to the expertise fiasco), SWG is down to
100-120K subs by the first anniversary of the NGE, shedding betwen 40
and 60K more by then. The subs will probably take another big drop in the months before and after, as 1 year pre pays expire.
Basically, when the NGE has it's first birthday, SWG will have lost more than half the subscibers it had before the NGE came out. And those who are left will still be screaming for rollbacks and classic servers.
Classic servers represent their only option at this point. They are guaranteed to bring them more subs than they have now, quickly, and at little cost (they already have lots of empty servers, and they already have the code).
I suspect the only reason why they haven't done it yet is they know that with 80-90% of their remaining (and dwindling) base is made of pre-CUNGE players that the NGE servers will be abandoned, ohh, 5 minutes after the classic servers open
As I said in another thread, the chances are VERY good that Smed will be gone soon, as management is being shaken up all over Sony, and SOE has definately underperformed. Get a new SOE president in there with no personal ties to the decisions made in the past, who sees a quick way to both gain a lot of business back, AND to heal a PR nightmare (SOE is the most reviled MMO company in the world, and it's all from their treatment of SWG), and you will get classic servers and/or rollbacks.
It's time to cut their losses, and run some classic servers with minimal updates, and turn their main effort into developing SWG2 out of what was best of Pre-CU, CU, and NGE. They can get by with a stable 200K player base for the 2-3 years that would take.
I simply cannot see them walking away from the money that classic servers would make them.
Either way, though we are going to get official classic servers or Emu ones, and before too long
More times than you can object to it. The community continues to make very clear what they want. So long as LA doesn't allow it, we'll keep posting about it.
I don't know I can object quite a bit
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Classic servers represent their only option at this point. They are guaranteed to bring them more subs than they have now, quickly, and at little cost (they already have lots of empty servers, and they already have the code).
I suspect the only reason why they haven't done it yet is they know that with 80-90% of their remaining (and dwindling) base is made of pre-CUNGE players that the NGE servers will be abandoned, ohh, 5 minutes after the classic servers open
As I said in another thread, the chances are VERY good that Smed will be gone soon, as management is being shaken up all over Sony, and SOE has definately underperformed. Get a new SOE president in there with no personal ties to the decisions made in the past, who sees a quick way to both gain a lot of business back, AND to heal a PR nightmare (SOE is the most reviled MMO company in the world, and it's all from their treatment of SWG), and you will get classic servers and/or rollbacks.
It's time to cut their losses, and run some classic servers with minimal updates, and turn their main effort into developing SWG2 out of what was best of Pre-CU, CU, and NGE. They can get by with a stable 200K player base for the 2-3 years that would take.
I simply cannot see them walking away from the money that classic servers would make them.
Either way, though we are going to get official classic servers or Emu ones, and before too long
I don't know if classic servers would even help . Look at it this way , The reason most of us are here is we can't find a suitable replacement . This isn't the case for the majority of ex players . They have moved on to other games , Or quit gaming completely .
Most MMO gamers stick to one game at a time , And usually become quite devoted to their current gaming endeavor . You really think all the people who have moved on to EVE , WOW , L2 , EQ , EQ2 and so on . Are going jump back into a game they quit almost a year ago ? Because I don't .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson