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I quit RV
Loona35
Member Posts: 55
in Roma Victor
I've been playing RV since the beta test.. i waited until last week when the game got released officialy hoping it was improved. Guess what, it didn't.
- RedBedlam (RB) states (on their site) they try to be realistic as possible and above all: you don't have to be a hardcore gamer.
...to gain skill you must repeat the same boring actions again and again. It beats Everquest 2 in this if u ask me. For example: if you want to built a house you must gather lots of different resources (you can't handle it on your own to built a simple small house). Then ofcourse your 'construction' skill has to be high otherwise the projectsite, or later on the hut itself, will colapse quickly. So you gotta get your 'construction' skill up.. and how is that done? buy building hundreds of useless things. Building a 'clay pile' could get your construction skill up.. it will take between 40 and 80 minutes to complete a simple pile of clay, which will give you 0-1 construction points. (If you get 1.. you're lucky)
- RB stated the fighting system was fair and was all about the players skills and not the ingame char. skills
...yeah right. I've been training and got my ingame skill up to 48 (spear) and still i couldn't hit a guy with 99 block. Even in WOW you've more change of doing some damage with a low lvl against a high lvl. This state is a big fat lie from RB is you ask me.
- Attending
...you've to do some attending before you can play the real game. Every game has such thing. Only in RV you've to craft for 1 day. The problem is that you've low construction skills which means the projectsites you built will colapse very quickly. So if you wanna built a clay pile and log pile to do the attending quests you've to do it in one time. You cannot log off and finish it tomorrow coz by tomorrow it will have been collapsed. No hardcore gaming right? Note: you can only attend by crafting.
- Vigor
...to add some realism to the game RB thought it would be nice to add the vigor system. Its like stamina in other games. The fun thing is, you char can only run up to 2km. Then its tired... and gues what! talking also costs you vigor which means if you run with a group you cannot talk when running OR resting coz then your vigor will drop. Big fun! Not.
- Dark all the time
...the graphics are bad but thats no problem to me. But its freaking dark all the time. And i mean really dark! i've set my monitor brightness up to 100% and still i couldnt see much. (There isn't much to see btw, as everything is flat and empy exept couple small area's.) I've been playing couple hours everyday since the launch and i've only seen a full light day ONCE >> against 10-15 dark days.
- money system
...you don't have to pay montly. That sounds nice but this game lets you pay for ingame money so after all you probally lose more money on it. Its the same point only different way to it. Also note that the money you get when you start will be lost on the attending quests. You've to buy lots of stuff and skills.
- Wannabe realistic
...RB says the focus on realism. A game is a game so my opinion is that it shouldn't be over-realistic. RV tries to be extreme realistic by letting you craft even the smallest screw. Ok thats realistic and it can be fun. But being only able to walk 2km and then rest isn't realistic if you're not a fat guy. Taking 1 full minute to add a firewoodstick to a firewood pile isn't realistic. etc. etc. BUT! Some things are realistic... for example cooking a fish! It takes 30minutes to cook a fish. it works like this:
1) waste a complete new spear on fishing one fish becoz you havn't enough skill yet
2) you just buy the fish coz you couldnt catch one normally
3) you attach the fish to the stove
4) you've to wait 30 minutes to complete the cooking
5) you fill 30 minutes by reading a book or something
6) you bring back the cooked fish to the master
7) you get rewarded nothing
You can better cook a fish in real life.. i can do that in 20minutes and then i've a real nice fish to eat myself
- maintenance
... i just read you've to maintening huts too. I havn't got that far yet but i guess you'll be more busy maintaining your huts and tools then really playing. And note: you gotta rebuilt the hut couple times before you've enough skill to built a descent hut.
- wicked merchant prices
... merchant charge wicked prices! for example: a normal spear will be good if its level is 50-80. Such spear costs like 5000 ingame money for a level 50. Which would be about 10 - 15 €
all to all: bad game if you're not a real hardcore gamer who likes to craft.
note: the community is nice.. RB works hard and close with the particpants.. but working hard and having a nice community doesnt make it a good game.
note2: i didnt post this to flame.. i post it coz i payed 25€ to play
it and feel dissapointed now. i do hope the game gets better by the
time but i've my doubts about that. Good luck to KFR and his team,
really liked and respect their input!
note3: i also posted this on the RV participants forum.. but i felt worth it sharing this with others who didnt played yet, therefor i posted it here
Comments
Well i have stopped playing for time being to watch whats RB next move myself.In its current state its not very playable and quite boring.
First i would want to see the memory leak fixed at least to make the game playable without me having to reboot my pc every 15-30 mins.
Then i know most have complained about attending.RB is suppose to be a company that listens.I want to see what they do about this.
Reason i would return is i want to see what the combat has to offer and if the crafting skills show any sign of been more fun further on.
Ok my question as with many games is this then:
If they are company that listens how did this attend system make it through beta? Did all the beta testers like it?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
At this point to me RV is looking like the Anarchy Online launch all over again. AO had abit more going for it though then RV does.
Launching a niche game is fine, launching a niche game that doesn't live up to what was promised and doesn't even work is a very bad place to be in for the developers.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Even better, put it on with no feedback on how it works before throwing it into the release.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Its not...
They promised us a fighters way out of attending, but its nowere to be seen.
I will keep reading the RV forums daily and see if any improvment has been made.
Memory Leak fixed.
Thats it, I am remaining for certain!
By the way guys, if anything come back in a few weeks. I am sure they'll have all the content they promised in by then, but the game is running like a charm.
All thats missing are features, but if they could fix mega issues like that memory leak and that server issue, within a week, then they definitley can provide this game with what they promised for release.
Keep in mind, these devs treasure their community. They sometimes promise things which unfortunately they can't keep to, but hey, I never seen a game with an on time release, meeting every promise on time. These guys are a very small team of defintiley around 10 people and they've made a game that in my opinion replaces UO (though there are those who just are into fantasy and nothing else).
By the way, the person who made this thread has inaccurate information, which is partially not true. The devs never stated this is an FPS, but it does involve twitch combat. It involves a lot of player skill since combat is real time, and you must think when fighting in battle. But you must also depend on your skill levels. Again the devs never said this was an FPS! A second thing, how does a game even like wow not depend on the player's own skils of thought and strategy with all those different types of skills. RV is kind of similar, but instead of 30 skills, you have 5 different kinds of attack, and you also must depend on your vigour and fatigue levels to beat your enemy.
I agree combat system still needs to improve, but its there and for now I am going to enjoy it. But I definitley love the fact that RV is what it promised to be....a true virtual world! We can expect within the next few months to start building our own player towns and such, because the possibilities are there, even though not all the skills are in.
Graphics, is something unfortunate. I don't care, I used to play WWII Online and the graphics never bothered me. I feel the same for RV. To me, RV is the great alternative to UO and thats all that counts.
I hate hearing the word potential for a game, but seeing how the devs managed to fix those issues this week that were ruining the game experience for most players....in my opinion there is a future for this game. I think there is potential. Its not a game with quests....its a sandbox type game, and a brilliant replacement for UO. All thats missing is the loot system.
I don't know what to put here yet.
In otherwords, there is a lot of hope for this game. I say if you don't like it, come back in another few weeks and you'll probably find improvements!
Of course if you are a graphics person, then all I can say is, you either don't mind them and not let spoil your fun or you're just too fussy. Exception for those carebears who just find the game too hard.....and for those players who are more into questing rather then a sandbox style game (Virtual World).
I don't know what to put here yet.
That does make sense. Have you asked around to check if building huts is really the best way to raise your construction skill? I wouldn't be surprised that you could do it by doing something else.
I won't go in details, but right now, I don't really know where you got the idea that you have 48 spear and he has 99 block. It is a lie. Server tops are not that high. Besides, I don't even know if you're hitting with a spear or not. There are quite some skills taken in account when fighting, and he must have a big advantage on all of them over you, otherwise you WOULD hit him with a bit of luck. Also, this is not WoW. Really, it isn't. In RL, you can't take 4382042 "weak hits" and survive. When you are hit, it is for real and serious.
Attending is the most flawed system I've ever seen in any game. Agreed.
Hah. So you want to run forever? Balance. Balance. Balance. No, even though the vigour system needs a little tweaking, I love it - it presents a whole new variable to deal with in combat etc.
It's not "dark all the time", nothing like it. True, there are no torches. And yes, night is supposed to be dark. You should try and raise your Gamma & Brightness slider.
Of course it's a way for RB to make money, it's a Revenue System after all. However, with this VERM you are not forced to pay, meaning that you play, and thus pay, at your own pace, instead of paying a fixed monthly value from which you may, or not, take full advantage of.
You never cooked a goddamned fish. Really. Cooking a fish takes 10 minutes. RL time == RV Time * 3. Also, of course you don't know how to fish. Hell, you want to do everything at first try? That's not RV, that's not RL. You can not catch a fish at your first real first try.
When it is hut, we will talk. Not before, as we don't know how it'll be implemented.
lol. I'm glad to know you tried your guesses, but as you obviously didn't even bother to check. However, it's inaccurate. A good spear will not cost above 600-700.
Cya around. You can come back anytime, your account will still be there and accessible.
- Starcius
I'll exagerate, it will probably take around a month at most to get what they promised implemented. We know the RB team, and they will work their ass off to deliver a great game to their community!
Delays were obviously caused by serious issues, so I don't mind.
The game is comming together and in my opinion thats whats most important, especially since you can leave and come back whenever you desire! So you never wasted your 20-25 Euros......I spent double that on games like WoW. And players spent double that on a game called DnL! Worst MMO to have ever released.
Atleast RV can suit the Crafter players of the MMO community.
I don't know what to put here yet.
i am glad to hear the memory leak is fixed and would try it on 2 systems today .
I however will not advance until the attending is sorted.
As for no monthly fee lets see what happens.Its way too early in the game to see if its possible to have adequate fun in the game without the use of real cash considering you are not willing to sit in front of the computer crafting 8 hrs a day.
I think its wrong for me to say the game can be fun without use of real cash .Maybe playing 1-2 hrs a day will be adequate to do withour real cash or something like $15 a month ,i have no idea yet.
Atm all i can is in just my first 2 hrs of play to save my sanity i have already withdrawn some cash that came with my pre order as it halved my firewood pile construction which still took almost 90 mins to do despite that.
Otherwise i would not even try due to how boring construction is.I ofc still have more to do!but this is where i decided to draw the line and stop till its sorted.
So yes it can be said you could gather it yourself but thats what i mean can the game be any fun without spending real cash?Only time will tell .
I agree that no one cheated anyone.Simply put you come into a mmorpg you expect problems only time you can say cheated is if you buy a game and it does not work when it comes to mmorpg.Not the state of the game then becomes another issue .
If the memory leak(not checked yet) was never fixed i would say yes you been cheated because its not playable.
I think the word that should be used is dissapointed and from there just show your degree of dissapointment.
Like i can say currently i am hugely dissapointed in RV.But i will never go as far as say i was cheated.The product exists is somewhat playable(emphasis on somewhat here),features exist.So no i was not cheated.But i can say dissapointed because the features are boring and clunky.
p.s have left RV running just to check the memory leak and it seems stable at 38fps and not dipping to the 1fps stand still after 25 mins which is a good indication that its been fixed.For this i praise the devs and also shows actually acknowledging the problem is the key to solutions rather then paint an amazing picture of a game.
And i am not gonna react to much again on Ordie.. he posted the same reply on the RV forums...just these couple:
.. i did cook ofcourse
... needs for a hut are already shown at the forums
....obviously Ordie never fought in RV while checking out his skills and the ones from his opponent.. you can max up your fighting skills.. no problem. and the gap between low and high level skills is huge!
etc.
I actually was one of the best fighters in the test. Not to be presumptuous, but I kind of know what I'm talking about. I posted the exact same response because you posted the exact same post :P and you didn't answer it with anything concrete, and you aren't answering with anything concrete here either.
- Starcius
"Rome wasn't coded in a day"
- Kanoth
anyway.. you prolly never played many other mmo's, rgp's and FPS's.. try UT or Quake once.. then you really feel waht playerskill fighting is.. RV says it has player skilled fighting.. well.. it hasn't much.. maybe a little if you're both max up in dodge, block etc. As they say: in the land of the blind, the one-eye is king
For example:
Player A: spear 25
Player B: block 50, dodge 75
changes are prolly about 1-5% player will ever hit player b.. even when from hitting in the back player B will just dodge it.
Those are FPSs. Are you -really- trying to compare a FPS to a MMO?
And no, you never cooked. Your argument fails because:
" 4) you've to wait 30 minutes to complete the cooking
5) you fill 30 minutes by reading a book or something "
30 minutes real time. Means 10 minutes in RV time. If you had ever tried to cook a fish you would have noticed that it takes 10 minutes. As you didn't notice, it shows that you never tried to cook one.
- Starcius
the message said "30min" and i didn't know the time was only a third of the real time.. so i went down to read a book. You don't need a villa to 'go down to another chamber'.. and i checked back in about 45mins after and it was done. So don't try to hanging out the FBI guy here.. coz you're not
.. and i'm indeed trying to compare the RV fighting part to FPS.. check the RV forum .. we had that discussion there.. thought it was with you
Despite I have many issues with this game i would like people to know such rude people are NOT the usual RV community.
The community is generally mature ,polite and very helpful.People like this give the community a bad name which is not a true reflection of RV community .