Originally posted by Crickets The only way you can lose the carebear title is to quit hiding behind fake restrictions and play a real role playing game.
well lets see...
I played PnP D&D from age 12, any form of roleplay game i could get my hands on in Spectrum/Com 64 days, then on to Amigas and Ataris (Eye of the Beholder anyone?)
From then into early consoles (NES, SNES Megadrives) then onto PC games (Baldurs Gate 1&2, Diablo, NWN etc), around the same time i was playing MUDs, then onto EQ, SWG, EQ2, CoH/Cov.
In between all this i used to help out with a friends faction at LARP events, even the fun of donning an Oorc/Ogre suit and helping with the kiddies role playing quests. (Nothing more fun than leaping out on a bunch of kids with foam rubber swords and getting the crap beaten out of you)
I could list possibly hundreds of games ive been part of in the past 25 years.
But according to you, i haven't played a 'real' RPG?
Players who go out and buy a game knowing that it has non-consentual PvP but act like they didnt know and are traumatized when someone kills them and takes their stuff. They spend the next few months demanding the developers start changing the game to fit their "protected" playstyle.
That's not a carebear. There's already a word for those people, they're called "morons." There's descriptions on the back of boxes, fansites, public forums, and professional game reviews that are available online and at any news outlet. If you buy a game without any idea what it's like you're just a fool, period. Don't waste time inventing new colloquialisms for people who don't deserve it. They're idiots.
Light carebears - Try out a game and get pissed and cancel after dying the first time to another player.
Emotional, impulsive, or sore losers. No need for new and inaccurate insults.
Medium carebears - Play the game and mostly stay in town or go out in groups for protections. Occassionally add their suggestions on the messageboards on how to make the game more "friendly/carebear."
This is where e-rednecks start to go wrong. Players are A) free to play the game however they want. If they stick to groups that’s usually called “smart,” not a carebear. If you’re too stupid to compensate then perhaps you ought to look into derisive nouns for yourself instead of other people.
Also, forum posts are a grey area. Anyone, PvP, PvE, good, bad, experienced, inexperienced, can make a bad post with a crappy suggestion. Don’t try to link that with anything, the two aren’t related.
Heavy carebears - These want to like the game but don't want PvP in it at all, even though the developers have coded it into the game. They spend most of the time on the messageboards crying about balance issues and demanding developers change the game. They make the statement, "Things better change or alot of people will leave."
Neurotic carebears - Buy the game and have their own vision of how the game should be changed. Everytime they die to another player they trample the messageboards almost threatening lawsuits if the developers don't "improve" the game or fix the balance. They spend so much time on the messageboards making demands and suggestions more than they play the game. Most of their topics end up being locked and people telling them to "Learn to Play the Game." These usually spam the messageboards attempting to compare an online game to real life. Often times claiming people who PvP are greifers and actually kill people in real life.
Both of these are pretty much the same, so I’m combining them. Neither of these are any different than what you listed first. People should know in advance what they’re buying. If they deliberately buy a game to try to change it they’re an idiot. Whether it’s to add PvP to a game like A Tale in the Desert, or take PvP away from a game like Shadowbane, is immaterial. Both people are fools and should find a game to suit their needs, instead of meddling in things they clearly don’t comprehend.
Signs of a carebear usually include spamming on heavy PvP game messageboards before the game is even in beta. They try to get a resistance going and swear people won't be playing that game. They claim certain game features need to be changed in order for the game to be successful like heavy PvE/light PvP games.
These people just simply don't exist. Sounds more like the typical panic attack players have while the game they've chosen prematurely to worship is in beta. Tough luck.
The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night.
Originally posted by Entreri28 I don't really use carebear much. The definition though I think of people who want easy games whether they are pvp or pvm. Don't you wish you PvMers hadn't created the term carebear to refer to the newbs?
carebears are carebears.
newbies are hopefully not newbies for too long.
kewldoods are always going to be kewldoods.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Originally posted by Tamalan Im so very, very tired of being labeled a 'Carebear' by PvP enthusiasts, just because i prefer (but not exclusively) co-operative MMO's. I'll be blunt, it irriatates and insults the hell out of me, especially when I or people like me are accused of being 'not real gamers'. Its especially insulting when ive been gaming since Spectrum/Commodore 64 days through MUD's, EQ and beyond. But rather than continue to be bothered about this, ive decided to embrace it. So here I am, in all my Carebear glory! Enjoy!
Contrary to popular beleif,A carebare is not a Gamer that likes to have fun,.its a Gamer that plays to make cash.
They are Gamers that farm or exploit area's of the game to get rich,They need safe enviroments to thrive,they need to be left alone. they need the freedom to hog spawns,they need the freedom to hog anything that will make other players cash.
They will effect the game,they will make other new players think thats what there supossed to do,and you as the PVE player will compeat over spawns or the market by killing.crafting/selling things faster.The best loot becomes the Carebears goldmine,anything that make them cash faster becomes theres and they pay anything for it. the game is ruined,. Ebay owns your sweet lil pve game so hope ya injoy it ,. ya stupid carebares...
Originally posted by Lt.Deadend Contrary to popular beleif,A carebare is not a Gamer that likes to have fun,.its a Gamer that plays to make cash. They are Gamers that farm or exploit area's of the game to get rich,They need safe enviroments to thrive,they need to be left alone. they need the freedom to hog spawns,they need the freedom to hog anything that will make other players cash. They will effect the game,they will make other new players think thats what there supossed to do,and you as the PVE player will compeat over spawns or the market by killing.crafting/selling things faster.The best loot becomes the Carebears goldmine,anything that make them cash faster becomes theres and they pay anything for it. the game is ruined,. Ebay owns your sweet lil pve game so hope ya injoy it ,. ya stupid carebares...
lol
I think quite a few are going to disagree with that particular definition...PVE or PVP player
and thats carebear, if your going to hurl insults and accusations, at least spell it right
Originally posted by Tamalan Originally posted by Lt.Deadend Contrary to popular beleif,A carebare is not a Gamer that likes to have fun,.its a Gamer that plays to make cash. They are Gamers that farm or exploit area's of the game to get rich,They need safe enviroments to thrive,they need to be left alone. they need the freedom to hog spawns,they need the freedom to hog anything that will make other players cash. They will effect the game,they will make other new players think thats what there supossed to do,and you as the PVE player will compeat over spawns or the market by killing.crafting/selling things faster.The best loot becomes the Carebears goldmine,anything that make them cash faster becomes theres and they pay anything for it. the game is ruined,. Ebay owns your sweet lil pve game so hope ya injoy it ,. ya stupid carebares...
lol I think quite a few are going to disagree with that particular definition...PVE or PVP player and thats carebear, if your going to hurl insults and accusations, at least spell it right
Bhmhbla,. whats spelling good for anyway,..And yes a true careBARE is one that solo's and grinds cash.That dont roleplay,they dont party,they dont join guilds/clans and the only freind they make is ebay.They may just buy off ebay to pay for the best loot,or sell on ebay,.
Crafters are not careBARE's
PVE party nutballs are not careBARE's
PLayers that roleplay are not careBARES's
PvP players have had the sh*t end of the stick for some time now,alot of them are mad,.But in the end,the players that make a buisness out of the game or the ones that feed on ebay have a large voice and non suspecting pve players help that voice.
I seen way to many games from start to mid,And I seen it happen over and over.Rince and repeat.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Truly, im fascinated now, does anyone else support this definiton of the 'CareBEAR' tag?
Im not disputing your opinion at all, in fact i welcome it, means im not a CareBEAR after all . Your list of what a CareBEAR isnt, is basically... well, me. Although i dont understand why someone who likes to group should be described as a 'nutjob'.
Curse you Briansho, i was hoping a bigger hole would be dug before that link was Tdropped in
The article looks a little short. Maybe we all could add some valuable information haha
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Originally posted by Tamalan Truly, im fascinated now, does anyone else support this definiton of the 'CareBEAR' tag? Im not disputing your opinion at all, in fact i welcome it, means im not a CareBEAR after all . Your list of what a CareBEAR isnt, is basically... well, me. Although i dont understand why someone who likes to group should be described as a 'nutjob'. Still, its a refreshing angle. Tam
was not a flame,.I call everyone nutballs or meatheads.I dont care about wikki this wikki that,.A carebear as it stands is a player that dont want other players to effect there game AT ALL,.Guildwars is perfect,.I dont have to deal with them,and they dont have to deal with me,.
Carebears complaine about everything that may stand in there way of easy relaxed cash grinding.They hate forced partying,they hate pvp,they hate looting,they hate crafting based games,.they hate spwn killers they hate level restrictions they hate farming restrictions they hate everything about a mmo.but they play to make cash,and not to have fun.
Oh dam,. they do like something,.well 2 things Intance worlds and ebay,. *cough*
Maby I will redo the Wikki,.O dam did I say that? Zzzzz Maby carebear meens Player killer,. yea thats it ,. Ill go change it right now,.Zzzzz Wikki blows.
here's a question. if all these pvp people are so skilled and great, why aren't they playing fps games instead? i mean, what mmo takes any skill to beat another character? 90% of the time, whoever has the better gear or higher level wins. where's the skill in that?
i bet the reason they play mmo's is because they suck at any type of game that takes skill so they just flock to mmos, level quick, then beat on helpless other players and call it skill.
1 - Truely PVE oriented 2 - The casual PVPer 3 - The hardcore PVP griefer
LOL! What if someone likes a little pvp, but not too much. Like an hour on a wednesday. Are they a truely casual pvper?
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Originally posted by grimboj Originally posted by joejccva 1 - Truely PVE oriented 2 - The casual PVPer 3 - The hardcore PVP griefer LOL! What if someone likes a little pvp, but not too much. Like an hour on a wednesday. Are they a truely casual pvper?
Hehe I was just speaking generally of course. There are many people that don't have alot of time to play and perhaps they only pvp for an hour on a friday night. I guess this means they are an extremely casual pvper.
Well, it really sucks to be a hardcore gamer for the following reasons: The demand for a product is determined by most of you "carebears", so that products that are optimal for the "hardcore" gamer, like myself, never have a chance to hit the market.
By hardcore, I mean permadeath BTW. Eve comes close, but not close enough.
Carebear is almost always a subset of "hardcore": It's much easier to make a game for carebears.
Why is this so?
1. The difficulty of tasks/mobs in a carebear game can span groups/raids, meaning that in some cases, trial and error are necessary for completion. Hardcore doesn't allow as much trial for obvious reasons.
2. PVP balancing is more crucial and the solo-survivability of each class must be assured. The only game I can think of that has come close to implementing this property would be WoW.
3. Consequences for PVP must be dire and measures must be implemented to prevent higher lvl players from precluding lower leveling without merely restricting rules to a portion of the world (pvp zones in WoW, AO etc.).
So, higher production costs with less purchased. Not a profitable venture
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Just to make a last stand in this topic,.Thats a funny and a vary intresting story on Wikk.But its nothing more then a story of roleplayers in the golden days of Ultima online.The "Carebear" guild was ROLEPLAYING and they took there own action "IN GAME" to combat the pk or griefer as some may call it.
The only thing exploited there was freedom,and that would never happen in a pvp restricted game ,and im betting the "carebear" guild had loads of fun.well,.Zzzzz They were giving hugs? to combat pk? dam sounds like roleplaying to me.
Edit: I just put more into the wikki,.And what I put is painfully true.
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well lets see...
I played PnP D&D from age 12, any form of roleplay game i could get my hands on in Spectrum/Com 64 days, then on to Amigas and Ataris (Eye of the Beholder anyone?)
From then into early consoles (NES, SNES Megadrives) then onto PC games (Baldurs Gate 1&2, Diablo, NWN etc), around the same time i was playing MUDs, then onto EQ, SWG, EQ2, CoH/Cov.
In between all this i used to help out with a friends faction at LARP events, even the fun of donning an Oorc/Ogre suit and helping with the kiddies role playing quests. (Nothing more fun than leaping out on a bunch of kids with foam rubber swords and getting the crap beaten out of you)
I could list possibly hundreds of games ive been part of in the past 25 years.
But according to you, i haven't played a 'real' RPG?
really....
That's not a carebear. There's already a word for
those people, they're called "morons." There's descriptions on
the back of boxes, fansites, public forums, and professional game reviews that are
available online and at any news outlet. If you buy a game without any
idea what it's like you're just a fool, period. Don't waste time
inventing new colloquialisms for people who don't deserve it. They're
idiots.
Light carebears - Try out a game and get pissed and cancel after dying the first time to another player.
Emotional, impulsive, or sore losers. No need for new and inaccurate insults.
Medium
carebears - Play the game and mostly stay in town or go out in groups
for protections. Occassionally add their suggestions on the
messageboards on how to make the game more "friendly/carebear."
This is where e-rednecks start to go wrong. Players are A) free to play the game however
they want. If they stick to groups that’s
usually called “smart,” not a carebear.
If you’re too stupid to compensate then perhaps you ought to look into derisive
nouns for yourself instead of other people.
Also,
inexperienced, can make a bad post with a crappy suggestion. Don’t try to link that with anything, the two
aren’t related.
Heavy
carebears - These want to like the game but don't want PvP in it at
all, even though the developers have coded it into the game. They spend
most of the time on the messageboards crying about balance issues and
demanding developers change the game. They make the statement, "Things
better change or alot of people will leave."
Neurotic carebears
- Buy the game and have their own vision of how the game should be
changed. Everytime they die to another player they trample the
messageboards almost threatening lawsuits if the developers don't
"improve" the game or fix the balance. They spend so much time on the
messageboards making demands and suggestions more than they play the
game. Most of their topics end up being locked and people telling them
to "Learn to Play the Game." These usually spam the messageboards
attempting to compare an online game to real life. Often times claiming
people who PvP are greifers and actually kill people in real life.
Both of these are pretty much the same, so I’m combining
them. Neither of these are any different
than what you listed first. People
should know in advance what they’re buying.
If they deliberately buy a game to try to change it they’re an
idiot. Whether it’s to add PvP to a game
like A Tale in the Desert, or take PvP away from a game like Shadowbane, is
immaterial. Both people are fools and
should find a game to suit their needs, instead of meddling in things they
clearly don’t comprehend.
Signs of a carebear usually include spamming on heavy PvP game
messageboards before the game is even in beta. They try to get a
resistance going and swear people won't be playing that game. They
claim certain game features need to be changed in order for the game to
be successful like heavy PvE/light PvP games.
The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night.
I don't really use carebear much. The definition though I think of people who want easy games whether they are pvp or pvm.
Don't you wish you PvMers hadn't created the term carebear to refer to the newbs?
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
newbies are hopefully not newbies for too long.
kewldoods are always going to be kewldoods.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Well to reply to the original title, I'm Apathy Bear.
I couldn't think of a symbol for his chest that says apathy.
Contrary to popular beleif,A carebare is not a Gamer that likes to have fun,.its a Gamer that plays to make cash.
They are Gamers that farm or exploit area's of the game to get rich,They need safe enviroments to thrive,they need to be left alone. they need the freedom to hog spawns,they need the freedom to hog anything that will make other players cash.
They will effect the game,they will make other new players think thats what there supossed to do,and you as the PVE player will compeat over spawns or the market by killing.crafting/selling things faster.The best loot becomes the Carebears goldmine,anything that make them cash faster becomes theres and they pay anything for it. the game is ruined,. Ebay owns your sweet lil pve game so hope ya injoy it ,. ya stupid carebares...
Bhmhbla,. whats spelling good for anyway,..And yes a true careBARE is one that solo's and grinds cash.That dont roleplay,they dont party,they dont join guilds/clans and the only freind they make is ebay.They may just buy off ebay to pay for the best loot,or sell on ebay,.
Crafters are not careBARE's
PVE party nutballs are not careBARE's
PLayers that roleplay are not careBARES's
PvP players have had the sh*t end of the stick for some time now,alot of them are mad,.But in the end,the players that make a buisness out of the game or the ones that feed on ebay have a large voice and non suspecting pve players help that voice.
I seen way to many games from start to mid,And I seen it happen over and over.Rince and repeat.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Truly, im fascinated now, does anyone else support this definiton of the 'CareBEAR' tag?
Im not disputing your opinion at all, in fact i welcome it, means im not a CareBEAR after all
. Your list of what a CareBEAR isnt, is basically... well, me. Although i dont understand why someone who likes to group should be described as a 'nutjob'.
Still, its a refreshing angle.
Tam
Curse you Briansho, i was hoping a bigger hole would be dug before that link was dropped in
Curse you Briansho, i was hoping a bigger hole would be dug before that link was Tdropped in
The article looks a little short. Maybe we all could add some valuable information haha
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
was not a flame,.I call everyone nutballs or meatheads.I dont care about wikki this wikki that,.A carebear as it stands is a player that dont want other players to effect there game AT ALL,.Guildwars is perfect,.I dont have to deal with them,and they dont have to deal with me,.
Carebears complaine about everything that may stand in there way of easy relaxed cash grinding.They hate forced partying,they hate pvp,they hate looting,they hate crafting based games,.they hate spwn killers they hate level restrictions they hate farming restrictions they hate everything about a mmo.but they play to make cash,and not to have fun.
Oh dam,. they do like something,.well 2 things Intance worlds and ebay,. *cough*
here's a question. if all these pvp people are so skilled and great, why aren't they playing fps games instead? i mean, what mmo takes any skill to beat another character? 90% of the time, whoever has the better gear or higher level wins. where's the skill in that?
i bet the reason they play mmo's is because they suck at any type of game that takes skill so they just flock to mmos, level quick, then beat on helpless other players and call it skill.
Generalizing is stupid GL ,only closed minds or under educated fools do that.
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This guy is not chinese.
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Hehe I was just speaking generally of course. There are many people that don't have alot of time to play and perhaps they only pvp for an hour on a friday night. I guess this means they are an extremely casual pvper.
Well, it really sucks to be a hardcore gamer for the following reasons: The demand for a product is determined by most of you "carebears", so that products that are optimal for the "hardcore" gamer, like myself, never have a chance to hit the market.
By hardcore, I mean permadeath BTW. Eve comes close, but not close enough.
Carebear is almost always a subset of "hardcore": It's much easier to make a game for carebears.
Why is this so?
1. The difficulty of tasks/mobs in a carebear game can span groups/raids, meaning that in some cases, trial and error are necessary for completion. Hardcore doesn't allow as much trial for obvious reasons.
2. PVP balancing is more crucial and the solo-survivability of each class must be assured. The only game I can think of that has come close to implementing this property would be WoW.
3. Consequences for PVP must be dire and measures must be implemented to prevent higher lvl players from precluding lower leveling without merely restricting rules to a portion of the world (pvp zones in WoW, AO etc.).
So, higher production costs with less purchased. Not a profitable venture
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Just to make a last stand in this topic,.Thats a funny and a vary intresting story on Wikk.But its nothing more then a story of roleplayers in the golden days of Ultima online.The "Carebear" guild was ROLEPLAYING and they took there own action "IN GAME" to combat the pk or griefer as some may call it.
The only thing exploited there was freedom,and that would never happen in a pvp restricted game ,and im betting the "carebear" guild had loads of fun.well,.Zzzzz They were giving hugs? to combat pk? dam sounds like roleplaying to me.
Edit: I just put more into the wikki,.And what I put is painfully true.