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jonaku
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This blog http://hgamer.blogspot.com/2006/05/vanguard-beta-in-trouble.html set up a storm of controversy about Vanguard.
I'd like to share with you some the feedback in the comments section http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13266751&postID=114841587331739233 to further validate what is being said about the unhealthy self-destructive nature of the Vanguard community and the alleged failure of the beta thus far.
========================================================Anonymous said...This was posted by Progenitor and I thought it was funny how he knew the flames would be incoming even before he hit the send button:
Grats to all the freeloading fanbois. You just lost the internets.
If this place is in the state this guy's forum post depicts, then Brad, Shut down the forums.
Seriously, your health and the health of your team is much more important than the trolls on here. Time would be better spent letting the designer-wannabes write emails, to which you can set an autoreply saying 'thanks' rather than having your own development team savaged on the forums.
I'd clear out all the beta players too and start a fresh line, disallowing the most agressivly vocal players back.
I work as a designer on another rather large mmorpg project and if you read this, do try to take note: We can all see what youre trying to do with the 'open forum' method for the game but really, kids shouldnt have the control of the design of a game as they don't have the maturity to actually create a balanced world.
...and to all the fanbois ready to throw knives at me for scorning you, remember, pretty much every other mmorpg community right now thinks you lot are asshats for what youre pushing the developers to do all out of your own selfishness. Think of that while you furiously reply.
I didn't even read the replies, but then again, I don't have to. You know already they're going to rip him apart. Savages know no better.
Hey Vanbois! When you get into beta, be sure to come back here and apologize because the number logging in is exactly as this guy reported.
I'm in that beta. Why the hell would I lie? I wish like hell there were more. I wish like hell what he wrote wasn't true. I don't wanna group with those assholes. I dare anyone in that beta to say it's not true. It happens to be very true. In fact he was being KIND!
just read Anyen's retort on FoH calling this guy a liar. Says he knows cuz he's in beta. Well so am I. Every word of that article is true. Anyen is the one that is lying. Sh--, there are so many posts screaming at people and shoving that vision down everyone's throats, it's not even funny anymore.
There's several guys that beat up on everyone if they feel the game isn't hard enough and they don't agreed with. /shrug Maybe Anyen is one of them.
Anyen, WTF is wrong with you? You gotta be friggin **BLIND** not to see the patronizing bullsh-- and witch hunt those vanbois are on, especially towards anyone who plays WOW!
========================================================Anonymous said... This was pasted first from the dev that I guess was shot down by the beta player. The dev said, supposedly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nino [*a Vanguard dev*]
For every ONE person that says CRs [*Corpse Runs*] are needed and somehow hardk0re, there are ONE HUNDRED who completely disagree.
Uh, this is the beta player, by the way:
Be very careful, the line your crossing Nino, out of the 100 hundred you talking about how many would you think you win over?
IF/When you cross that line, if you believe that your going to compete against wow, your thinking wrong. They got more money, more Dev's, and they got the market, they got there fan based built.
You might have the most talent Dev's on the market, but your small, now have a weak reputation, regardless if is true or fair, your label with soe now.
Make the game too easy, then us so called hardcore (funny thing your the ones that always gives us, these labels, we only want a game that is truly challenging) are gone, and I am sure you lose some of the cores with it. Then you left with the rest of the cores and casuals, other games are around the corner, you may have a nice bursts of subs at first, but you wont keep it.
Maybe your right, the genre pool has change so much, that there is no choice.
But at end, i be making my choice, and wont be for a easy game.
After saying all this, I am willing to test, and see your new ideas, with a open mind.
I mean come on, here. That's definitely rude and disrespectful, just like the article says. This guy is basically threatening the dev.
When sh-- like this goes on and it's apologized for, you gotta KNOW the beta jerk is gonna walk all over you!
Brad, man, turn on the lights! You wanna lose the chance at a decent playerbase because this jerk wants to TELL you how to make a game? I can't believe this.
========================================================Anonymous said...
Another friend in beta confirming on AIM now that every bit of that article on Heartless's site is true.
Apparently the posts were reported too, but the beta player is unaware of any action taken and the bully posters continued to beat up on testers.
I'm told if you play WoW and admit it, you're ostracized.
Like HELL that beta jerk has an "open mind". Did you know he and his buddies went bonkers about a freakin DOT on the map? You know the DOT that shows YOU ARE HERE? Yeah, that dot. These guys went ballistic for 4 freakin pages!!! OVER A DOT!!
yup, that's how bad it is in there. [*Vanbois went crazy upset at the mere suggestion of putting a GPS dot on the map so that players knew where they were, they felt it was too much like WOW and broke immersion*]
========================================================Anonymous said...
I've seen this before. They keep telling people to go play WOW long enough and that's exactly what they'll wind up doing.
Who the f--- needs that sh--? Fuck it. Play the game yourself, b-----.
Do they have any clue how psychotic they sound to the average reader? Scarey sh-- when they cling to an FAQ like the words from Sun-Yung-Moon.
HAHA, this is f---ing hilarious -
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacquelyn
Many of them can be found RIGHT HERE http://www.silkyvenom.com/pages/faq.php, smart guy.
The game described in that FAQ (made up of specific DEVELOPER QUOTES on just about every game issue under the Sun) is the game I am looking forward to playing.
I know Vanguard will require tweaks while it is in Beta, and that some concepts are not fully fleshed out in that FAQ (and are thereby sekret sauce or in the realm of Beta-Only now under NDA), but the concepts that are, and the overarching Vision(tm) behind them, are sound.
Go change someone elses game... =P
And Xelloss responds,
So why are the 'fans' on the beta boards flaming Sigil devs when the devs suggest changes, then?
GOOD POINT! You win the parley! bwahahhahaha
Here's a couple blurbs from my favorite Vanboi asshole, his name is Grax.
In response to a thread about the in-game map having a "You Are Here" dot where some tester dared to go against the vanboi collective and say they liked the feature:
"And so the beta testers stepped back for a moment and looked at their wond'rous creation. The carebears smiled, the achievers rejoiced, the casual players with amazing real lives hurrah'd, and all held hands and shouted: "Yay for WoWguard!"
The true explorers and competent players looking for a game that might be worthy of their attention kept huddled in the corner, aware that they had suffered yet another defeat. A few more battles lost to the McDonalds-loving WoW-indoctrinated players, and the game would have to be abandoned to rot in its own filth."
Same thread, this time he felt compelled to take a WoW player who was bold enough to post down a peg or three:
"If I had more respect for the average person on this board I would guess that this is a troll...
It will be interesting to see how much of Vanguard gets torn away by the newbie vultures. Unfortunately, many of us knew that newbies have been designing MMOGs for a while now, so we can't really say that Vanguard will end up being all that much of a lesson."
Makes you wonder what his credentials are, no? Clearly he's not a newbie like the rest of us! Ahh, his next post makes it clear -- he read Bartle's article. Perhaps read isn't the right word, it seems more like his religion:
"MMOGs are being designed by the collective bad taste of newbies. Richard Bartle's article on the subject is required reading for anyone who dislikes WoW (or some other recent MMOG) and is wondering why it is the way it is.
There are two main types of players on display in this particular thread: those who welcome automation and those who don't. There are those who want the player to have to interact and adapt to the game world, and then there are those who want the game world to adapt to their individual preferences ("I don't play to trade! I don't play to figure out where I am in the game world!").
Someone at the top will have to decide: "Do I want a game that people with a bad playstyle will enjoy? .. or I could have a more open game where the player is forced to actually get involved in the game world, where he is not fed all the relevant information through an ezmodetube. Hmm, this choice is more difficult than that time I was given a magical ticket for a free meal and couldn't decide whether I wanted to eat garbage or something tasty."
I am thoroughly amused at the number of posters I see every day on these boards who have never been educated in thought, cannot analyze an entire gameworld, have terrible terrible taste, and basically say: "Please make this game trash! I will not be satisfied until I taste garbage!"
Remember kids, if you're not playing Grax's way, your playstyle is BAD.
I can only hope that every single feature he hates is added to VG, so that he quits the game (and possibly life?) when he finally realizes that it "might not be the game" for him.
Ok, I need to say something here.
Posted on that Grimwell.com site you referenced, Heartless.
At this point, I'm thinking it's too early for me to judge Vanguard one way or the other. All beta boards, it seems, are infected with fanboys who can be interpretted as trying to like the game. World of Warcraft was no exception. So, again, it's too early for me to draw many conclusions.
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Geldonyetich
Staff: Grimwell.com
Infected with fanbois? Let me tell you something. I was IN World of Warcraft Beta. That game was a blast even in BETA! There was no one there "trying to like the game". Where the hell does this guy come up with this stuff?
It's totally bogus information.
My friends and I have literally hundreds of SS's showing just how much we were "trying" to like it.
WoW beta was a party.
Vanguard beta is a funeral.
Another example, same thread:
Originally Posted by Jacquelyn
All I can say after reading the OP is, if true:
THANK GOD FOR THE DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH IN BETA!
If I wanted to play WoW I would be doing so...
If I wanted to zap all over the map I would play Guild Wars...
If I wanted to avoid corpse runs I would play EQ2...
When are these people going to learn!? The original game concept (as advertised by developers) is why we are here.
Fell free to tweak armour appearances, but not core game concepts!
Ask yourself what are the "essential" and "accidental" properties of Vanguard?
A "more challenging game" is, I would argue, essential to what it is we are all waiting patiently for.
The anonymous poster quoted by the OP sounds like a baby to me...
Well of course the OP of the article sounds like a baby to you, Jacquelyn. You put him down as childish only in an effort to raise yourself up to some sort of mature level.
When the truth is, you fear what he says because it exposes your motives and the damage it has added to a developer's reputation.
Get it through your thick head. This is NOT your game. You have no more right to the game you wish to see than anyone else who may disagree with you.
There is NO vision set in stone, especially during the stages of developement. Hell, even after a game has gone to market, changes and entire revamps can and do occur.
There is nothing you can do about it, which is why you spout your elitist drivel. Because you think that by drowning out others and kicking your feet and crying over it, you will somehow get the I WIN button.
And just to clear up how this game will stand in terms of timesink:
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthMuhh
Grrrr!! I want death penalty tha will make my eyes bleed. I want long travel times. I want corpse retrieval to suck. Gah, please dont water Vanguard down, or hell, have a server with hard core rule sets. Challenge desired, not a cake walk.
McQuaid reassures the poster with,
Don't worry, nobody is watering the game down. What I outlined has been our plan from the start. Remember -- challenge does not have to equal tedium. We can make a challenging and rewarding game (both short and long term) but at the same time remove needless tedium. They don't have to go hand in hand.
__________________
Brad McQuaid
CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Exec. Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
With that, I've heard exactly what I wanted to know. I will not have TIME for Vanguard's timesinks.
That's not to say someone else may love it. Obviously this DarthMuhh will. I just don't have the time. It looks like this game is going to require tons of it.
That crowd in there is crazy. They get everything they deserve. I feel bad for the devs but I don't feel sorry for Brad or his entourage of fans. He's never put them in their place and now they're out of control.
They blame WoW, they blame SOE, they blame the OP of this article. They blame EVERYONE but themselves.
These are the absolute worst denizens of the MMORPG world. Be forewarned because it's worse then WoW forums.
Most of those people should be institutionalized. And the ones that are sane, won't be if they stay.
They're nuts, plain and simple.
After reading slashdot and a few others, I'm sickened by the judgemental jackasses who claim the OP and other Beta testers who spoke here aren't worthy of their attention.
You know what? It wasn't for YOU asshole! If you weren't so f---ing nosey, you wouldn't have read it. But just like every rubber-necking driver that has to slow down at an accident for a glimpse to see some blood, you couldn't contain yourselves, could you? And just like them, you drive away with your pompous opinions after you've taken a good look. You even can't wait to write your own spin on it.
Had that article never been written, no one would probably had the nerve to speak. Vanguard members would have decayed further then what was happening already.
It woke Sigil up. Already they are starting to step up the enforcement of rules. And that will save their game.
Go ahead and deny the thousands of posts written that came out from everywhere to admit some of this was true, if not all.
Then turn around and fault every Beta poster who came forth to agree claiming they broke a NDA. [my emphasis]
NDA's don't have anything to do with writing about Beta morale. Even if not in Beta, look at your own forums and see what others see of you. Clean that up first before you wallow in your own stench while pointing fingers at everyone else. Get it straight and get off your high horses.
What drastic decisions did you ever make for the greater good? Probably none.
Here's my name. Look me up and ban me. Ostracize all you want. I could care less.
Things have really gotten out of hand. I wish I could contradict all the comments here but I can't. I want Vanguard to succeed so much, I want another game that I can fall in love with, but at this rate, it's never going to happen.
It seems the developers have defined the position of beta tester as uncredited associate game designer. They constantly and repeatedly post on the forums that they "ignore bad feedback". Saying that a specific mechanic "isn't fun and needs to be looked at" isn't good enough. They want a 10 page essay on what you would do to make it better, complete with citations and full documentation. No beta test I've been in thus far has asked this much from testers. It's ridiculous.
So you do what you're told and write excellent feedback detailing what's not working for you, what doesn't feel right, and how you would change it. You get blasted on sight for having an opinion that differs with the vanbois. It's pathetic, and worse, the dev team tolerates it. The beta forums aren't moderated. At all. Ever.
And at the core of all of this, is those deemed worthy enough to become affiliate sites. These people encompass the most kiss-ass of the sycophants. They act like the cock of the walk on the beta forums because Sigil goes out of their way to kiss their ass. They get trips to San Diego, personal meetings with Brad and crew. They all seem to have each others heads up their asses. If I had to put my finger on the single biggest flaw of the dev crew so far, it was the affiliate program. More often than not it's these asses that are berating people and getting away with it, and if it's not them, it's one of their associated cronies from their forums.
So, to summarize this rambling and to firmly point the finger at whose to blame, look no farther that Sigil itself. It's easy to say that the fanboy testers are ruining the game, but the fact that they allow this behaviour by looking the other way when they run the forums, places blame solely in their own laps.
FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T READ THROUGH ALL MY RAMBLING...
SUMMARY: Sigil is to blame for Vanguard's slow death, they don't moderate their own beta board.
I don't how to say this, so I'll just blurt out the truth instead of running around the bush like I did in the last post.
The discussion over hardcore or softcore, it's just stupid. Because the only thing that's in there to discuss was the CR. And while they were castrating Nino about that, Nino gets them good. He told them all how he knew they were using the in-game sysop commands to cheat and call their corpse. THAT'S how hardcore Luisagos is. Uh huh. Bitch about keeping CR's in but go ahead and cheat to get your own. Nino got him.
The only thing after that was the GPS map DOT. That's it! There was NOTHING else besides a crappy quest journal. That's all that told me anything about how hard it would be. That and the fact you spend a ton of time running around. It's dead. There's no real content. Feels like alpha with better graphics. There is no way of telling how this game will turn out by looking at it today. NONE. No could disclose shit about it if they wanted to.
When I read posts stating, "I'm really liking this game. I HATED [insert ANY major popular MMO here, except EQ]" I flip the bird at the monitor and say, "You're full of sh--, ya liar."
I'll tell you the truth. I don't even GET his combat system! Why? Because it doesn't even work yet.
You can't get into the player housing. You're not even allowed on the island. I haven't seen the boats. Some idiot said someone had made a boat already and at the same time, a dev clicked send and said they weren't in the game yet. So he's a liar.
The parley thing will drive you up the wall. If I hear hmm... ahhhh.. huuummm... uhhuh.. hmmmm.. ahhhh.. huuummm... uhuh, ONE more time, I'm gonna blow my friggin brains out!
Then you logout to the forums and you make a post honestly asking, WTF is this sh--? And SURE enough, some nerdy dork whose voice hasn't even changed yet, will jump you two seconds later and say, "I'm liking this parley. It's so unique!" Flip the monitor the bird again, kick the frigging computer and the neighbor's dog just because and I'm out.
It's true about the mobs. The caves are mess. You go in and you can't see the mobs but you can see them screaming for help with the little I'm "STUCK!" over their heads. You wonder why there's like a 100 tombstones all over the place. Then you pull one and 50 come out of NOWHERE and you've just added your corpse to the pile in about 2 seconds flat.
/shrug.. If anything, it'll scare the crap out of you.
He asked for it when he didn't have a thing done and brought in testers. All the testers did after seeing a world waiting to be designed was debate how they were going to design it. When CR's were getting tiring and people brought that up post after post, the fights started. One side called them carebears and the other side called them vanbois. That article is QFT, except the writer doesn't know Brad.
========================================================Miele said...I don't check anymore VG forums, I'm disgusted by them.
I can just tell you that about 100+ players I know (a whole huge guild) lost interest completely in the game, basically the reply was "I'll wait few months after launch and read some reviews, but it's likely not going to be my new game..."
Found this over at BetaWatcher while I was looking to see how many MMO's were in closed Beta right now.
http://www.betawatcher.com/game.aspx?gameid=158
The comment by "bug" is rather interesting. I wonder what his source is?
V:SoH
currently in "Beta2.5" with about 4k testers, early April it was stated within two weeks 10k more were going to be invited (in fact about 2k invites went out last weekend Apr8,9) and expecting the remaining 8k invites (MicroSoft is doing the beta screening/invites) by Apr 17 for the beta3 major phase of testing. A 4.8GB beta3 client will be avail for d/l through Fileplanet to those with invites. They are looking for people with high-end PC systems for this "longest" beta3 phase. Beta2 went four months. Expect retail before end of 2006.
--bug 4/12/2006 2:14:00 AM
4,000 testers. hehehe
Frankly, I'm getting sick of the attitude that everyone has to hang on every word McQuaid writes. They interpret it like it's a science, shove it down the throats of every gamer to cross their paths and then wonder why everyone hates them.
I've heard of groupies before, but this is the biggest bunch of morons on the net.
This is about the only sensible piece I've read, with the comments too. It's realistic and doesn't demand people bow down to the almighty MMOG gods looking for an ego-boost and some followers.
I quit the beta this first week because besides that I don't know what I'm doing, they started asking us to write up quests and give ideas about stuff I know nothing about.
How the hell do I answer, Give the vertical interdependencies for community building mechanics or activities, list 5, explain your answer. this is inside the box. EHHHH??
I failed that test quick. lol
When they said beta TEST they weren't kidding! :0
OMG! They asked for quest writeups and ideas? From beta testers? Tell me you're joking man. Never have I heard of such a thing before.
========================================================Design Dummy said...No. I'm not joking. This was my first beta so I didn't know what to expect.
There was a bunch of outlines in the form of questions and they were pretty specific about the data they wanted.
ONe was quests but it was about thinking up your own quest idea, not the ones that are in the game. One was that thing I wrote and I don't know what a vertical interdependency is, lol. One was how many creatures you should fight before resting in levels 1-5 and should you have to understand reactions at that level. Another one you had to give ideas for titles and a bunch of other junk. Oh and one where you had to think up a reason why you'd go to the boring "edges of the world". Make up a good reason why people would have to travel there. I guess some were easy but some were over my head.
There are a lot of them to choose from but it wasn't like they asked you how many DID you kill before you had to rest. It was how many do you THINK you should have to kill before resting and why.
Lots of people in there look pretty good at it, but I'm not that smart. Like I said, I failed. lol So if you're gonna go in beta, you should be aware they're gonna ask you that stuff or you're gonna look like the design dummy I am. lol
Don't wanna break the NDA or anything because I don't have money for a lawsuit so I'm not saying anything about the game. lol but since you still want to get in beta, you should know you're gonna need to be smarter then I am.
They will ask you to take part in a lot of questions that require you to think like a designer. I'm not a designer so I can't help in this beta.
I can test stuff after it's done but I can't think up how to write the game from scratch. That stuff is over my head. IF you scroll way up, there's another person who said they couldn't do a 10 page essay either. I think that person means the stuff about the developer questions. I'm just saying I'm not qualified for that either, so don't feel bad.
So fair warning to you before you go. Good luck.
The questions did kind of keep people from bashing each other, so I guess that was a great idea if that's the motive behind this. You're not allowed to reply to someone else's ideas in the designers post and they were warned about that, so it did bring order to chaos in there.
I guess maybe they got fed up with reading the arguements so they said, fine, you want to be designers, answer this. lol
Or maybe it's just so borked they have to go back to square one again and ask you for help. I have no clue what to make of it, sorry.
Comments
Months behind.
And a simple link would have sufficed....I think you just broke my mouse wheel.
Has Vanguard replaced its much loved community since the end of May?
No?
K. Then this is still relevent?
It is?
Cool.
Has Vanguard replaced its much loved community since the end of May?
No?
K. Then this is still relevent?
It is?
Cool.
Perhaps relevant...but we don't need a new thread for every lil' thing that pops into your head or comes across your IE window.
Jonaku, why is the success or failure of Vanguard so important to you?
Why are you going to such lengths to discredit the developers and the testers?
People take the time to read your posts, surely for doing so they deserve an answer to these questiions.
Tam
Jonaku,
Exactly how is anything you just quoted in your post worse then your one intent in the way you presented this information? You seem to have a hatred for Sigil's community, I suggest you take a deep breath, a step back, and get your own perspective back instead of justifying yourself by trying to tear down others.
The whole "I know better then you and you are an idiot because you don't see it how I do" thing generally isn't a very healthy attitude to go through life with.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Has Vanguard replaced its much loved community since the end of May?
No?
K. Then this is still relevent?
It is?
Cool.
Perhaps relevant...but we don't need a new thread for every lil' thing that pops into your head or comes across your IE window.
The post topic wasn't lil'. It was actually big, which it why, by your own admission, it almost broke your mouse wheel.
Thanks for confirming that the post is still relevent.
And it wouldn't have sufficed to have linked to the blog comments page. There were over 200 comments. I went through and aggregated the comments most relevent to the point of this thread. I did the reader a favor. It's not my fault that there SO MANY LONG comment reinforcing the dysfunctional nature of the vanguard community. It takes up a lot of space !
its relevant to his world renowned trolling effort!
Has Vanguard replaced its much loved community since the end of May?
No?
K. Then this is still relevent?
It is?
Cool.
Perhaps relevant...but we don't need a new thread for every lil' thing that pops into your head or comes across your IE window.
The post topic wasn't lil'. It was actually big, which it why, by your own admission, it almost broke your mouse wheel.
Thanks for confirming that the post is still relevent.
And it wouldn't have sufficed to have linked to the blog comments page. There were over 200 comments. I went through and aggregated the comments most relevent to the point of this thread. I did the reader a favor. It's not my fault that there SO MANY LONG comment reinforcing the dysfunctional nature of the vanguard community. It takes up a lot of space !
Couldn't you have posted it in the other topic you brought this up in =P
That way I don't have to keep repeating myself about how you really can't tell how a games community will turn out by the community that develops in early beta.
its relevant to his world renowned trolling effort!
Allow me to paraphrase from your post here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/856526#856526
"there you go with yet another attack on vanguard critics, good job and keep on trolling."
A criticism isnt horrifying to me... its a game i might enjoy when its released. I have no emotional attachment.
So you claim to be on a crusade to save Vanguard?
You may be doing as much harm as the people you post about.
"Those who fight monsters should take care that they never become one. For when you stand and look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." ~ Frederich Nietsche
[quote]Originally posted by jonaku
[b]
Allow me to paraphrase from your post here: [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/856526#856526]
"there you go with yet another attack on vanguard critics, good job and keep on trolling."
[/b][/quote]
nice try but i wasn't attacking you, you do know what the word "attack" means right?
LoL Jonaku, your agenda and psyche are far more fascinating than the game you are 'crusading' for.
and as for you accusing another of pedantry... lol.. too funny.
Tam
[quote]Originally posted by jonaku
[b]
Originally posted by baphamet
[quote]Originally posted by jonaku[b]
Allow me to paraphrase from your post here: [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/856526#856526]"there you go with yet another attack on vanguard critics, good job and keep on trolling." [/b][/quote]
nice try but i wasn't attacking you, you do know what the word "attack" means right?
you said "its relevant to his world renowned trolling effort! " which means i intentionally trolling which means i am troll which is not a good thing. this is an attack from you against me as punishment for criticizing the game.[/b][/quote]
hahaha okay buddy! you are just being desperate now, and yeah you can say i was trolling your topic....i am not denying that but personally attacking you? like you attack vanguard fans? nope not even close.
p.s I'm done feeding you attention, this is gone on far to long. see ya
I enjoyed reading it- but I see alot of the same type of people on other forums and in other games too- Guild Wars comes to mind- or anyone who uses the term "CareBear".
-W.
No doubt...but Jonaku has started two topics about this particular issue, both are on the front page. o.O I'm suprised nobody has repoted him for spamming.
Correction: 3 Posts made about this, all of the front page of the forums...all made by Jonaku.
No doubt...but Jonaku has started two topics about this particular issue, both are on the front page. o.O I'm suprised nobody has repoted him for spamming.
Correction: 3 Posts made about this, all of the front page of the forums...all made by Jonaku.
wow. why am i not surprised that a vanboi is lying and distorting the truth about my post in an attempt to get my posts locked/deleted?
how sad....
No doubt...but Jonaku has started two topics about this particular issue, both are on the front page. o.O I'm suprised nobody has repoted him for spamming.
Correction: 3 Posts made about this, all of the front page of the forums...all made by Jonaku.
wow. why am i not surprised that a vanboi is lying and distorting the truth about my post in an attempt to get my posts locked/deleted?
how sad....
o.O Lying? Dude....You've got 3 topics started about how crappy the community is, Lemme edit in the links.
Edit: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79436
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/85847
There you have it. 3 counting this one, all started by Jonaku and all are links either refering to or directly related to the Heartless Blog. GJ, dude.
No doubt...but Jonaku has started two topics about this particular issue, both are on the front page. o.O I'm suprised nobody has repoted him for spamming.
Correction: 3 Posts made about this, all of the front page of the forums...all made by Jonaku.
wow. why am i not surprised that a vanboi is lying and distorting the truth about my post in an attempt to get my posts locked/deleted?
how sad....
o.O Lying? Dude....You've got 3 topics started about how crappy the community is, Lemme edit in the links.
Edit: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79436
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/85847
There you have it. 3 counting this one, all started by Jonaku and all are links either refering to or directly related to the Heartless Blog. GJ, dude.
stop lying, they're all about different things. saying they're all the same is like saying EVERY post in this forum is the same and thus considered spamming just because they're ALL somehow related in vanguard in topic.
-_- kay... not feeding the trolls anymore. Try to make conversation and you get assailed with generalizations, personal attacks, and the like.
Anyone know if there is an ignore function on these boards?
Guys, you have to understand something I've come to realise about Jonaku.
Jonaku is a Game Evangalist, he truly sees himself as a shining Knight on his charger of truth, riding out to do battle for Vanguard on all our behalf. He will not be disuaded, he is in no way in error. He is truth and integrity. He is never wrong. He is like all crusaders, ignorant to the damage he leaves in his wake, as long as he believes his cause to be just.
There is no arguing with people like this, you may as well beat your own head on a wall.
Joel and Second Life = Jonaku and his Vanguard crusade
Hilariously he cant see how similar he is to the very people he is campaigning against.
Have fun all )
Tam