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Still worth picking up?
McGrath2004
Member Posts: 38
I am looking for an MMORPG to pick up and was wondering if this game is still worth picking up? It is quite old (I think) and I wonder if anyone still plays it? If not, I'll probably pick up a game like City of Heroes. Thanks!
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The CoX games are alot better. Better stories, graphics, and gameplay.
Kai
Well to be fair to the people that enjoy it right know. At least try the trial although the trial is a bad judge of the game. Seriously the beginging station is fun, but after that it tappers off and if your like me it gets to restrictive and no longer fun. I am a pre nge player yes I tried the nge for 3 or 4 months but I couldnt stomach it after experiecning the diversity that pre nge gave me since the game came out. Like many others I could go on and on bashing it and praising it, but honestly with this game you have to judge for yourself. The main bad point in my opinion is diversity in this game is no longer what it used to be even with the expertise system its still not gonna be diverse enough to satisfy use pre nge fans. Its like taking a UO player and forcing him to play EQ with no AA's, and pre PoP(planes of power for those who dont know).
Playing Fallen Earth.
Can't hurt to give it a try, especially when it's free to try
You can get it at www.tryswg.com
To tell you the truth.... this game shouldn't even be for sale the way it is now. I would pick up DAOC or WOW, hell I would even play AC1 before I would play SWG. The other posters are right, this game is more or I should say worse than a beta test game and when you throw in the way SOE handles their customers, you would be MUCH better off going to another game. It will be a total waste of your time.
The new NGE has killed this game and right now the servers are dead, as a new toon, you will find it hard with no one around to help you on quests, etc.. all the vet players are gone and the only ones left are kids around 9 or 10 years old who seem to run around and not do anything all day. Not that people could do nything in this game because of all the bugs,... but I would look for some other game.
Been there done that:
Asherons Call,SWG,AOC,D&D,COH,Anarchy Online,DAOC,EVE,Guild Wars,LOTRO,POTBS,WAR,WW2, and Rift
Obra:
1) Define "vets"... Then think about this: Prior to the NGE around 250k players played SWG. Post NGE it is now down to somewhere between 110k and 170k players. Neither number indicates growth. Also both numbers indicate a radical drop in the number of "vets" playing the game. Also, if 110k people are playing and only 80% of them are "vets" then less than 100k players that were playing prior to the NGE are still playing now. Which means that almost 200,000 players quit the game over the NGE. Even if there are 150k players playing that would mean that over 130k players quit the game because of the NGE.
2) The game is going downward in subscribers. Has been since it came out actually other than a few growth spikes. But since the NGE released the population has dropped by 50% even the most generous estimates put it at a NET loss of over 75k players since November. The most painful estimates put it at a net loss of over 140k players since November. The servers may not be "empty" but they are certainly a LOT less populated now than even just 5 months ago.
3) The game has numerous bugs. Some that were in during beta and numerous 'new' ones. Not to mention the ones that keep coming back every time they fix them. They get fixed... then 2 patches later they come back. Claims that it's still a "Beta", while a bit extreme, are pointing out a true situation.
The game is not flawless. It's a "decent" game if you enjoy the kind of gameplay it offers.
Personally I recommend that anyone curious about it pick up the Station Kit which includes SWG, EQ2 and all the other SOE games for only like $19.95 or so. You can play the FULL game for 30 days that way, and also have access to EQ2, PlanetSide, MxO, etc. So for around $20 you can play 5 different MMO's for 30 days. That'll let you make an informed decision. And, if you do decide to pick up on 2 or more of them, you can activate the station pass and already have the games so you don't have to buy them on top of paying for the pass.
But don't play the free trial. The free trial is nothing like the real game. Not even close. If the rest of NGE played like the trial did it wouldn't be a failure.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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Still in: A couple Betas
If you are looking for something a little more that you can immerse yourself in, i wouldn't recommend it. You might become one of us.
Sadly, I cannot recomment any other games atm other than Wow and Guild Wars for their quality.
For the Horde!
I'd recommend EQ2 long before recommending WoW... hell I'd recommend tiddlywinks online before WoW
Guild Wars I'd only recommend cuz it's free to play.
There's not much out there though... that much is true. The titles I tend to recommend (if you want a monthly fee) are:
EQ2
DAOC
EVE
SoR
But typically I recommend the ones I'm playing. Because you can play them for free. And, frankly, the fee based ones aren't much, if any, better. SWG used to be.... not any longer.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
And i like Wow real big much kthxbye :P
For the Horde!
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
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Lies, pure and simple. He's a Fanboi who will lie to you and anyone else. The facts are all around if you search for them.
They Lost 75% of players with the NGE, so that 80% is the 25% left. That means the game has a bit over 30% of the players it had less than a year ago. Read up on it, there are dozens of Guild Websites that will confirm this... try ImperialCrackdown.com.
There isn't even one complete Quest line to LVL 90. About 45% of the Quest lines are missing. You have to buy expansion to get to the highest levels, since they have the high level quests.
It's an MMO, without the MM...
Don't let the lieing Fanbois like this fool you. Look around and you'll find the truth. I tried to force myself to play this garbage, and I would have even stayed if the game basicly worked, but it doesn't. The hardest Quests in the game can be soloed due to poor game / combat design. Everyone are cookiecutters of eachother. The new Specialization system they are adding is only for Bounty Hunters & Jedi, and completely unbalances all PVP. The combat system is a joke.
If it was a playable game, even halfway finished I'd have stayed quiet, but ths game isn't even to Beta & people like this will misslead you. Look around. You'll find the truth. Even reading the Offical Forums will tell you a TON, and those are the people that haven't quit.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Lies, pure and simple. He's a Fanboi who will lie to you and anyone else. The facts are all around if you search for them.
They Lost 75% of players with the NGE, so that 80% is the 25% left. That means the game has a bit over 30% of the players it had less than a year ago. Read up on it, there are dozens of Guild Websites that will confirm this... try ImperialCrackdown.com.
There isn't even one complete Quest line to LVL 90. About 45% of the Quest lines are missing. You have to buy expansion to get to the highest levels, since they have the high level quests.
It's an MMO, without the MM...
Don't let the lieing Fanbois like this fool you. Look around and you'll find the truth. I tried to force myself to play this garbage, and I would have even stayed if the game basicly worked, but it doesn't. The hardest Quests in the game can be soloed due to poor game / combat design. Everyone are cookiecutters of eachother. The new Specialization system they are adding is only for Bounty Hunters & Jedi, and completely unbalances all PVP. The combat system is a joke.
If it was a playable game, even halfway finished I'd have stayed quiet, but ths game isn't even to Beta & people like this will misslead you. Look around. You'll find the truth. Even reading the Offical Forums will tell you a TON, and those are the people that haven't quit.
I'll argue with you more in the morning but I'll ask this now. What makes what you say more true then what I am? You call me a fanboi, but you'd be considered the polar opposite: a hater. If you're gonna say I have reason to lie then heh, that's true for you too
Provide me with some morning entertainment :P
I'll argue with you more in the morning but I'll ask this now. What makes what you say more true then what I am? You call me a fanboi, but you'd be considered the polar opposite: a hater. If you're gonna say I have reason to lie then heh, that's true for you too
Provide me with some morning entertainment :P
I don't lie about the game, you do. I'm just tired of it, and I hope more people start calling you out on it. As far as myself, I'm not a hater. If the game played well, and was alive and well, I'd call it that way. It's not. Clearly.
I don't claim Pre-CU was perfect, or the CU. I'll list all of the issues now if you like. But compared to the Crap on the Live servers now, it was a better game. I'll say it again, the CONCEPT of a NGE could have been a great thing for SWG, but what the NGE ended up being is Crap, and isn't getting better. And to that the way SOE / LA have treated people, and I can't even see a reason to play since the gameplay is so poor. If this game ever became even halfway desent again, I'll come back and try/play it. I love SW, and I miss loving this game... all I want a decent game, and NOT LOOSE ALL MY ACOMPLISHMENTS EVERY YEAR.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
If you are going to use this kind of rational, at least be honest about it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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SWG is dead.
The only hope for it is a small team of pre-cu hopefuls that are taking things into their own hands...
It's a sad, sick joke of what it once was. I wouldn't wish the current SWG game on anyone.
I'll argue with you more in the morning but I'll ask this now. What makes what you say more true then what I am? You call me a fanboi, but you'd be considered the polar opposite: a hater. If you're gonna say I have reason to lie then heh, that's true for you too
Provide me with some morning entertainment :P
I don't lie about the game, you do. I'm just tired of it, and I hope more people start calling you out on it. As far as myself, I'm not a hater. If the game played well, and was alive and well, I'd call it that way. It's not. Clearly.
I don't claim Pre-CU was perfect, or the CU. I'll list all of the issues now if you like. But compared to the Crap on the Live servers now, it was a better game. I'll say it again, the CONCEPT of a NGE could have been a great thing for SWG, but what the NGE ended up being is Crap, and isn't getting better. And to that the way SOE / LA have treated people, and I can't even see a reason to play since the gameplay is so poor. If this game ever became even halfway desent again, I'll come back and try/play it. I love SW, and I miss loving this game... all I want a decent game, and NOT LOOSE ALL MY ACOMPLISHMENTS EVERY YEAR.
Heh, you don't lie? Well, neither do I. So that still doesn't answer why you think your opinion is superior to mine or anyone else who still plays the game.
I don't lie about the game, you do. I'm just tired of it, and I hope more people start calling you out on it. As far as myself, I'm not a hater. If the game played well, and was alive and well, I'd call it that way. It's not. Clearly.
I don't claim Pre-CU was perfect, or the CU. I'll list all of the issues now if you like. But compared to the Crap on the Live servers now, it was a better game. I'll say it again, the CONCEPT of a NGE could have been a great thing for SWG, but what the NGE ended up being is Crap, and isn't getting better. And to that the way SOE / LA have treated people, and I can't even see a reason to play since the gameplay is so poor. If this game ever became even halfway desent again, I'll come back and try/play it. I love SW, and I miss loving this game... all I want a decent game, and NOT LOOSE ALL MY ACOMPLISHMENTS EVERY YEAR.
Heh, you don't lie? Well, neither do I. So that still doesn't answer why you think your opinion is superior to mine or anyone else who still plays the game.
You mix up your own preferences with objective analysis. In a little plainer English:
Testimonials, which is what you and other fanbois offer, prove nothing. The radical change in
the number of players and the persistant veterans who continue to guide people away from
the game can actually be measured and quantified (and it is).
Again, all you're offering is testimonials from the other side based on your own preferences. What makes your "testimonials" more important?
Again, all you're offering is testimonials from the other side based on your own preferences. What makes your "testimonials" more important?
How is a radical drop in the number of players a testimonail? That is a fact that corrolates with the release of
the NGW. Even Smedly said people voted with their feet quicker than they expected.
So, it is more important to me because I am not spending money on it. It is more important to the potentail players because they will be let down. And finally, it is important to SOE because the fewer subscribers, the less gross income they get. The less gross income, the less value the game has to SOE to keep.
None of these are disputed facts. And they should be presented as will as the minority of people who play and think the game is good. But, most folks, do not.
I'll argue with you more in the morning but I'll ask this now. What makes what you say more true then what I am? You call me a fanboi, but you'd be considered the polar opposite: a hater. If you're gonna say I have reason to lie then heh, that's true for you too
Provide me with some morning entertainment :P
I don't lie about the game, you do. I'm just tired of it, and I hope more people start calling you out on it. As far as myself, I'm not a hater. If the game played well, and was alive and well, I'd call it that way. It's not. Clearly.
I don't claim Pre-CU was perfect, or the CU. I'll list all of the issues now if you like. But compared to the Crap on the Live servers now, it was a better game. I'll say it again, the CONCEPT of a NGE could have been a great thing for SWG, but what the NGE ended up being is Crap, and isn't getting better. And to that the way SOE / LA have treated people, and I can't even see a reason to play since the gameplay is so poor. If this game ever became even halfway desent again, I'll come back and try/play it. I love SW, and I miss loving this game... all I want a decent game, and NOT LOOSE ALL MY ACOMPLISHMENTS EVERY YEAR.
Heh, you don't lie? Well, neither do I. So that still doesn't answer why you think your opinion is superior to mine or anyone else who still plays the game.
Ok lets try this:
Obraik:
How many people showed up for the SD Summit meeting the other day?
What did people say they wanted at the Indy Fanfest overall the other things given or offered?
What was the goal of the NGE as stated by Nancy Mcyntre the director of SWG?
What was the main reason for Jedi being a free starting class as found out at some of the summits?
Why was the classes changed from 32+ to 9?
Answer these using facts and support from Devs speak or better yet just give me your thoughts and I'm sure we can get some input.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I'll argue with you more in the morning but I'll ask this now. What makes what you say more true then what I am? You call me a fanboi, but you'd be considered the polar opposite: a hater. If you're gonna say I have reason to lie then heh, that's true for you too
Provide me with some morning entertainment :P
I don't lie about the game, you do. I'm just tired of it, and I hope more people start calling you out on it. As far as myself, I'm not a hater. If the game played well, and was alive and well, I'd call it that way. It's not. Clearly.
I don't claim Pre-CU was perfect, or the CU. I'll list all of the issues now if you like. But compared to the Crap on the Live servers now, it was a better game. I'll say it again, the CONCEPT of a NGE could have been a great thing for SWG, but what the NGE ended up being is Crap, and isn't getting better. And to that the way SOE / LA have treated people, and I can't even see a reason to play since the gameplay is so poor. If this game ever became even halfway desent again, I'll come back and try/play it. I love SW, and I miss loving this game... all I want a decent game, and NOT LOOSE ALL MY ACOMPLISHMENTS EVERY YEAR.
Heh, you don't lie? Well, neither do I. So that still doesn't answer why you think your opinion is superior to mine or anyone else who still plays the game.
Ok lets try this:
Obraik:
How many people showed up for the SD Summit meeting the other day?
What did people say they wanted at the Indy Fanfest overall the other things given or offered?
What was the goal of the NGE as stated by Nancy Mcyntre the director of SWG?
What was the main reason for Jedi being a free starting class as found out at some of the summits?
Why was the classes changed from 32+ to 9?
Answer these using facts and support from Devs speak or better yet just give me your thoughts and I'm sure we can get some input.
Um, not sure I see what that has to do with what I asked
Clackamas, I'm talking about the thing as a whole, not the pop numbers specifically. For the record, I've never said there are more people then there were, but that the game isn't exactly lacking people (at least on my server)