As much as I hate the NGE, its easy to sit and pot shot people when you aren't in the battle anymore. Sadly, his words can easily be disregarded by SOE as Koster stands as the one person who lost the most to the NGE change. His legacy was all but wiped out by the system change. Of course, he should think bad about it, I mean geez when something you have done is replaced by something someone else has done - it generally means that the replacement is better. (Arguably not the case in my eyes but its all POV).
Koster's concepts were great but apparently not enough to attract WoW like numbers. I respect his past efforts and ingenuity but he is a lone man without a game now. You are only an industry leader if you are in the industry LEADING. Past that, you are only a mention in the history books.
He is right about the NGE being a bad idea but again, it is still the opinion of one man. His word alone does not make it fact. Only when the NGE collapses will any of our opinions be made fact or fiction.
Originally posted by Fadeus What find funny is that before everyone bitched about Kostners sandbox gameplay idea's and critisized them and now that he is speaking out against SOE everyone thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Not everyone. I just know what Raph has done and what else is out there. It's pretty clear to me who knows what's going on and has made it happen. The only thing that worries me about Raph now is that he's done so well, he might think he can't fail and try some screwball idea that ends up lame. (=
Originally posted by Agricola1 It puzzles me why so many idolise Ralph since he was employed as a designer on an MMO and then bailed when he saw a train wreck coming. Not that I disagree with what he did, as I'd have done the same if I was in his shoes, get out while the goings good. However I've noticed a similar situation with "Vanbois", they idolise Brad Mcquaid (I think that's his name) like some kind of MMO messiah. Brad this and Brad that and "Brad says it will be the best MMO ever so it must be true!", yet the guy did much the same as Ralph and bailed out 6 months into it going live. I don't have a problem with that, as the guy is just doing a job and maybe he didn't like the job after the game went live and decided to hand in his notice. Why do gamers seem to praise these guys like they know something other designers/developers don't? I mean if I was to believe all the fanbois, the only things Ralph and Brad need to make an MMO are 5 loaves and 2 fish!
Originally posted by Obraik Please explain why I should care what Koster has to say? Never have before...
Rofl he is the GUY THAT MADE THE GAME YOU CLAIM TO LOVE.... In fact without him you would not have a game at all.
This is almost funny though.
I am glad to see the maker and creator of SWG at least agree and bash the NGE....it is the icing on the cake.
In a way it is closure to show that this version of SWG was and is a failure, and coming from the guy that made the freaking game I think this says alot.
Raph left them and I can see why now, the NGE was not his choice.... Good show Raph! Way to grab those nads and speak the truth.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I was just shocked how soon he was out of the picture. They always played it up that he was still involved, but he was out of the loop since right before the holocrons.
The best quote was what most of us were saying...
A while back, you could have pulled together the original core fanbase by just delivering piles of content, cutting back the incredibly high buffs, making sure every professions worked, and tuning up combat to be tighter and faster paced... but changes since those days have closed that path. At this point, it's a different game, with different sorts of expectations. - Raph Koster
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Wildcat84 Raph is a visionary, and his design was the game we all loved, except the NGE fanbois who likely love it becuase they couldn't figure out pre-CU. And you could ? Ask anyone on Bloodfin how well felis played pre-cu :P
And Raph is right... Virtual world games ARE the future because as the MMO market gets more and more saturated it is going to be too expensive to continually create directed content a la WoW.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by Agricola1 It puzzles me why so many idolise Ralph since he was employed as a designer on an MMO and then bailed when he saw a train wreck coming. Not that I disagree with what he did, as I'd have done the same if I was in his shoes, get out while the goings good. However I've noticed a similar situation with "Vanbois", they idolise Brad Mcquaid (I think that's his name) like some kind of MMO messiah. Brad this and Brad that and "Brad says it will be the best MMO ever so it must be true!", yet the guy did much the same as Ralph and bailed out 6 months into it going live. I don't have a problem with that, as the guy is just doing a job and maybe he didn't like the job after the game went live and decided to hand in his notice. Why do gamers seem to praise these guys like they know something other designers/developers don't? I mean if I was to believe all the fanbois, the only things Ralph and Brad need to make an MMO are 5 loaves and 2 fish!
I never thought the day would come, but...
QFE!
Well see there is a story to this and it's legit. Hayden left which was one of his sidekicks and makers of the game as well, they offered Raph one Hell of a promotion and raise to move him up -- they felt they had a good team in place and they could handle SWG from there with input from Raph.. I think he was pushed into promotion because of his creativity with SWG -- so they gave him a broad title and made him into a Exec.
This changed more then I think he knew it would, they did go to him of course BUT not at the same level and they kept him occupied with other things I suppose. He was still there, but his input changed but I do not think it was by his choice as we now know.
I do not look at him as a MMO God, he knows his shit- thats a given BUT as the MAKER and CREATOR of this game is what the credit is for. Not others, the funny thing and great thing is that the Dev that made this all happen even thinks the NGE was a mistake, failure and a joke.. He quit, in part due to it as he states. Not only that but he explains why... again, coming from the guy that was a MAJOR maker of the game itself... that really says alot about the game in it's current state.
Kinda like being the guy that invented the wheel...then some moron turning it into a square and saying "this will work just fine.. you use it".. "it's still a wheel just my version of one".... SWG is not SWG anymore.
It's fucked up people were pushed out of this game, in the name of Marketing to the Masses (or dreaming of it) -- in the end it will always be known as SOE's mistake.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Fadeus What find funny is that before everyone bitched about Kostners sandbox gameplay idea's and critisized them and now that he is speaking out against SOE everyone thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Actually the 'everybody' you're thinking of is "Wepps". I recall him ranting against Koster on numerous occasions because Wepps isn't a fan of sandbox games. Other than that I don't recall too many people blasting Koster's ideas or sandbox gameplay.
Remember that before SWG even released Koster got promoted pretty much out of the development cycle. Had he still been involved at a dev level with SWG I suspect the history of the game would have been much much different.
I don't idolize Raph but I do know enough about MMO's to recognize when someone knows what they're talking about and when someone has a proven track record. As to what he's doing now? He's forming his own gaming studio so we may very well see his dream MMO eventually.
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Originally posted by Elnator Actually the 'everybody' you're thinking of is "Wepps". I recall him ranting against Koster on numerous occasions because Wepps isn't a fan of sandbox games. Other than that I don't recall too many people blasting Koster's ideas or sandbox gameplay.
Remember that before SWG even released Koster got promoted pretty much out of the development cycle. Had he still been involved at a dev level with SWG I suspect the history of the game would have been much much different.
I don't idolize Raph but I do know enough about MMO's to recognize when someone knows what they're talking about and when someone has a proven track record. As to what he's doing now? He's forming his own gaming studio so we may very well see his dream MMO eventually.
Wepps hates Raph because UO had Trammel introduced (Raph had nothing to do with that but Wepps is sure it was his fault anyway) and because Bounty Hunter was not made an alpha class.
Go back and do a search on Wepps and read what he REALLY thought of SWG while Raph was in charge... He loved the game. His bitterness started when his cries for BH to become an alpha class fell on def ears.
Originally posted by Obraik Please explain why I should care what Koster has to say? Never have before...
First, Raph has ALOT more experience than you in the development of MMOs.
Second, he was the driving force behind SWG duringing development.
Third, he publicly stated that he was against the NGE from the get go. And once the NGE was introduced ... bye bye palyerbase. This shows Raph and the playerbase being onthe same page in that respect. and shows $OE as the being the screwed up company that it is.
Forth, There is only like 3 or 4 people here that really care what YOU say or think. This put you in an extremely small minority.
and last but not least, there is nothing .... absolutely nothing that you say that has any intrest or value to me. I am sure I am not alone in this matter as I read alot post from others that clearly point out that if the SWG completely locked up on everyone on a regular basis you would still spew how wonderful this game was.
In addition, When you slammed the USA a few months ago, saying "Who in their right mind would want to live in the US? The healthcare system there sucks." , was not a highlight either.
Sago Mactow Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet 6/26/03 - 1/26/06 Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect DFR Councilman Tarq Server
Originally posted by Sago Originally posted by Obraik Please explain why I should care what Koster has to say? Never have before...
First, Raph has ALOT more experience than you in the development of MMOs.
Second, he was the driving force behind SWG duringing development.
Third, he publicly stated that he was against the NGE from the get go. And once the NGE was introduced ... bye bye palyerbase. This shows Raph and the playerbase being onthe same page in that respect. and shows $OE as the being the screwed up company that it is.
Forth, There is only like 3 or 4 people here that really care what YOU say or think. This put you in an extremely small minority.
and last but not least, there is nothing .... absolutely nothing that you say that has any intrest or value to me. I am sure I am not alone in this matter as I read alot post from others that clearly point out that if the SWG completely locked up on everyone on a regular basis you would still spew how wonderful this game was.
In addition, When you slammed the USA a few months ago, saying "Who in their right mind would want to live in the US? The healthcare system there sucks." , was not a highlight either.
Well as far as the Raph part goes... it's a given.. Who would like hearing that the maker of the game your defending is slammed in it's current state by them? It's a embarssment really.
As far as the US comment, our healthcare system does kinda stink, but this is old news.. BUT if he is from Canada then he should also remind himself of his backing... not to mention what we make for that country besides defend it. All these people cry about the US until they need money, or help in defenses... gotta love that.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Sago Originally posted by Obraik Please explain why I should care what Koster has to say? Never have before...
First, Raph has ALOT more experience than you in the development of MMOs.
Second, he was the driving force behind SWG duringing development.
Third, he publicly stated that he was against the NGE from the get go. And once the NGE was introduced ... bye bye palyerbase. This shows Raph and the playerbase being onthe same page in that respect. and shows $OE as the being the screwed up company that it is.
Forth, There is only like 3 or 4 people here that really care what YOU say or think. This put you in an extremely small minority.
and last but not least, there is nothing .... absolutely nothing that you say that has any intrest or value to me. I am sure I am not alone in this matter as I read alot post from others that clearly point out that if the SWG completely locked up on everyone on a regular basis you would still spew how wonderful this game was.
In addition, When you slammed the USA a few months ago, saying "Who in their right mind would want to live in the US? The healthcare system there sucks." , was not a highlight either.
Just because he's saying he doesn't like the NGE, isn't going to suddenly make me say the same thing As the whole US thing (way to take a thread off topic btw...), I can't help but think I've been misquoted.
Oh, and don't worry, you're not exactly high ranking on my "care about" list either
Originally posted by Fadeus What find funny is that before everyone bitched about Kostners sandbox gameplay idea's and critisized them and now that he is speaking out against SOE everyone thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
This is what im talking about, right on Fadeus. Im in the same mindset...why praise him now if you didnt before?
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Ammon777 Because Koster is the guy that created SWG in the first place. Duh, learn some history... He was lead designer of how SWG was at launch. He also designed Ultima Online. Seriously, if you dont care what he says or ask why you should care, then you are clueless about MMO history. And in that case, ur a newb.
There are a lot of "important" poeple in the world of MMO dev. Ralph is one of them to be sure but who cares what he says. He LEFT the game and now its shit. As far as I am concerned, if he gave one rats ass he should have stayed.
His actions speaks volumes more than his words. I don't care what he thinks any more than I care what Smedly thinks... that makes me a noob eh?
Seriously if you don't care then you probably have a life... something Ammon777 here obviously doesn't have.
Originally posted by maxanto Seriously if you don't care then you probably have a life... something Ammon777 here obviously doesn't have.
Oh yeah, we're all posting on a 3rd party site about SWG during our free time at home or down time at work. We're all *way* above caring what the game's main creative influence during it's development says about it. Believe you don't if you like but know that the line you've drawn for yourself doesn't really put you anywhere else.
Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Fadeus What find funny is that before everyone bitched about Kostners sandbox gameplay idea's and critisized them and now that he is speaking out against SOE everyone thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.Actually the 'everybody' you're thinking of is "Wepps". I recall him ranting against Koster on numerous occasions because Wepps isn't a fan of sandbox games. Other than that I don't recall too many people blasting Koster's ideas or sandbox gameplay. Remember that before SWG even released Koster got promoted pretty much out of the development cycle. Had he still been involved at a dev level with SWG I suspect the history of the game would have been much much different. I don't idolize Raph but I do know enough about MMO's to recognize when someone knows what they're talking about and when someone has a proven track record. As to what he's doing now? He's forming his own gaming studio so we may very well see his dream MMO eventually.
No not just Wepps, everyone was complaining that SWG lack's no content blah blah blah. Now that Raph is piping the anti-NGE jingle everyone all the sudden loves him and has to report every little thing he posts on his site.
I am a fan of Raph, I also never complained about the sandbox style play that it had, or a lack of content. Smugglers being able to smuggle is a perfect example. A smuggler can smuggle if they want to roleplay and make up their own content which really to me is what smuggling should be about just like any other profession. Get the mastery in your 2 professions done and over with so you can really start to enjoy the game and not have to worry about that part of it anymore.
Wepps on the other hand bitched about how horrible Raph was half the time and then did an about face and adored him another like most everything else he ever discussed.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Wepps and I went around and around under my friends alt acct. "adamrk" --- He is no doubt a moron.. 100%.
He was such a backassward fanboi that you never knew where he stood... at least some of us held our ground and stood by our logic. To me Raph had a great vision, it went down wrong based on corporate greed-- past that I can't tell much more.
Do I think Raph was perfect? No , nobody is but his vision from beta was nothing like the NGE and THIS is where there is a problem.
The game I was sold is not the game you have today.. it's this simple, sure as a MMO and online game things change and get altered.. BUT GUYS, you do not change the core of the game 3 times, 4 times if you include Jedi...
They really fucked this up and we need to just start over or get a new SWG. I can't see the future in the game in it's current state at all. All I see is a bunch of bad ideas that were used as a bad attempt to get more people to fool or lie to in the game for a bit longer.
Sure they have a few but sooner or later a Tiger always bears his stripes and this Tiger's stripes are starting to show again.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Fadeus What find funny is that before everyone bitched about Kostners sandbox gameplay idea's and critisized them and now that he is speaking out against SOE everyone thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Actually the 'everybody' you're thinking of is "Wepps". I recall him ranting against Koster on numerous occasions because Wepps isn't a fan of sandbox games. Other than that I don't recall too many people blasting Koster's ideas or sandbox gameplay. Remember that before SWG even released Koster got promoted pretty much out of the development cycle. Had he still been involved at a dev level with SWG I suspect the history of the game would have been much much different. I don't idolize Raph but I do know enough about MMO's to recognize when someone knows what they're talking about and when someone has a proven track record. As to what he's doing now? He's forming his own gaming studio so we may very well see his dream MMO eventually.
No not just Wepps, everyone was complaining that SWG lack's no content blah blah blah. Now that Raph is piping the anti-NGE jingle everyone all the sudden loves him and has to report every little thing he posts on his site.
I am a fan of Raph, I also never complained about the sandbox style play that it had, or a lack of content. Smugglers being able to smuggle is a perfect example. A smuggler can smuggle if they want to roleplay and make up their own content which really to me is what smuggling should be about just like any other profession. Get the mastery in your 2 professions done and over with so you can really start to enjoy the game and not have to worry about that part of it anymore.
Wepps on the other hand bitched about how horrible Raph was half the time and then did an about face and adored him another like most everything else he ever discussed.
Even gamespy has joined that anti-SWG banwagon now
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I agree, Ag.
As much as I hate the NGE, its easy to sit and pot shot people when you aren't in the battle anymore. Sadly, his words can easily be disregarded by SOE as Koster stands as the one person who lost the most to the NGE change. His legacy was all but wiped out by the system change. Of course, he should think bad about it, I mean geez when something you have done is replaced by something someone else has done - it generally means that the replacement is better. (Arguably not the case in my eyes but its all POV).
Koster's concepts were great but apparently not enough to attract WoW like numbers. I respect his past efforts and ingenuity but he is a lone man without a game now. You are only an industry leader if you are in the industry LEADING. Past that, you are only a mention in the history books.
He is right about the NGE being a bad idea but again, it is still the opinion of one man. His word alone does not make it fact. Only when the NGE collapses will any of our opinions be made fact or fiction.
I never thought the day would come, but...
QFE!
Rofl he is the GUY THAT MADE THE GAME YOU CLAIM TO LOVE.... In fact without him you would not have a game at all.
This is almost funny though.
I am glad to see the maker and creator of SWG at least agree and bash the NGE....it is the icing on the cake.
In a way it is closure to show that this version of SWG was and is a failure, and coming from the guy that made the freaking game I think this says alot.
Raph left them and I can see why now, the NGE was not his choice.... Good show Raph! Way to grab those nads and speak the truth.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
The best quote was what most of us were saying...
A while back, you could have pulled together the original core fanbase
by just delivering piles of content, cutting back the incredibly high
buffs, making sure every professions worked, and tuning up combat to be
tighter and faster paced... but changes since those days have closed
that path. At this point, it's a different game, with different sorts
of expectations. - Raph Koster
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I never thought the day would come, but...
QFE!
Well see there is a story to this and it's legit. Hayden left which was one of his sidekicks and makers of the game as well, they offered Raph one Hell of a promotion and raise to move him up -- they felt they had a good team in place and they could handle SWG from there with input from Raph.. I think he was pushed into promotion because of his creativity with SWG -- so they gave him a broad title and made him into a Exec.
This changed more then I think he knew it would, they did go to him of course BUT not at the same level and they kept him occupied with other things I suppose. He was still there, but his input changed but I do not think it was by his choice as we now know.
I do not look at him as a MMO God, he knows his shit- thats a given BUT as the MAKER and CREATOR of this game is what the credit is for. Not others, the funny thing and great thing is that the Dev that made this all happen even thinks the NGE was a mistake, failure and a joke.. He quit, in part due to it as he states. Not only that but he explains why... again, coming from the guy that was a MAJOR maker of the game itself... that really says alot about the game in it's current state.
Kinda like being the guy that invented the wheel...then some moron turning it into a square and saying "this will work just fine.. you use it".. "it's still a wheel just my version of one".... SWG is not SWG anymore.
It's fucked up people were pushed out of this game, in the name of Marketing to the Masses (or dreaming of it) -- in the end it will always be known as SOE's mistake.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Remember that before SWG even released Koster got promoted pretty much out of the development cycle. Had he still been involved at a dev level with SWG I suspect the history of the game would have been much much different.
I don't idolize Raph but I do know enough about MMO's to recognize when someone knows what they're talking about and when someone has a proven track record. As to what he's doing now? He's forming his own gaming studio so we may very well see his dream MMO eventually.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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Go back and do a search on Wepps and read what he REALLY thought of SWG while Raph was in charge... He loved the game. His bitterness started when his cries for BH to become an alpha class fell on def ears.
Former SWG beta tester and player
First, Raph has ALOT more experience than you in the development of MMOs.
Second, he was the driving force behind SWG duringing development.
Third, he publicly stated that he was against the NGE from the get go. And once the NGE was introduced ... bye bye palyerbase. This shows Raph and the playerbase being onthe same page in that respect. and shows $OE as the being the screwed up company that it is.
Forth, There is only like 3 or 4 people here that really care what YOU say or think. This put you in an extremely small minority.
and last but not least, there is nothing .... absolutely nothing that you say that has any intrest or value to me. I am sure I am not alone in this matter as I read alot post from others that clearly point out that if the SWG completely locked up on everyone on a regular basis you would still spew how wonderful this game was.
In addition, When you slammed the USA a few months ago, saying "Who in their right mind would want to live in the US? The healthcare system there sucks." , was not a highlight either.
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
First, Raph has ALOT more experience than you in the development of MMOs.
Second, he was the driving force behind SWG duringing development.
Third, he publicly stated that he was against the NGE from the get go. And once the NGE was introduced ... bye bye palyerbase. This shows Raph and the playerbase being onthe same page in that respect. and shows $OE as the being the screwed up company that it is.
Forth, There is only like 3 or 4 people here that really care what YOU say or think. This put you in an extremely small minority.
and last but not least, there is nothing .... absolutely nothing that you say that has any intrest or value to me. I am sure I am not alone in this matter as I read alot post from others that clearly point out that if the SWG completely locked up on everyone on a regular basis you would still spew how wonderful this game was.
In addition, When you slammed the USA a few months ago, saying "Who in their right mind would want to live in the US? The healthcare system there sucks." , was not a highlight either.
Well as far as the Raph part goes... it's a given.. Who would like hearing that the maker of the game your defending is slammed in it's current state by them? It's a embarssment really.
As far as the US comment, our healthcare system does kinda stink, but this is old news.. BUT if he is from Canada then he should also remind himself of his backing... not to mention what we make for that country besides defend it. All these people cry about the US until they need money, or help in defenses... gotta love that.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
First, Raph has ALOT more experience than you in the development of MMOs.
Second, he was the driving force behind SWG duringing development.
Third, he publicly stated that he was against the NGE from the get go. And once the NGE was introduced ... bye bye palyerbase. This shows Raph and the playerbase being onthe same page in that respect. and shows $OE as the being the screwed up company that it is.
Forth, There is only like 3 or 4 people here that really care what YOU say or think. This put you in an extremely small minority.
and last but not least, there is nothing .... absolutely nothing that you say that has any intrest or value to me. I am sure I am not alone in this matter as I read alot post from others that clearly point out that if the SWG completely locked up on everyone on a regular basis you would still spew how wonderful this game was.
In addition, When you slammed the USA a few months ago, saying "Who in their right mind would want to live in the US? The healthcare system there sucks." , was not a highlight either.
Just because he's saying he doesn't like the NGE, isn't going to suddenly make me say the same thing
As the whole US thing (way to take a thread off topic btw...), I can't help but think I've been misquoted.
Oh, and don't worry, you're not exactly high ranking on my "care about" list either
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
His actions speaks volumes more than his words. I don't care what he thinks any more than I care what Smedly thinks... that makes me a noob eh?
Seriously if you don't care then you probably have a life... something Ammon777 here obviously doesn't have.
Oh yeah, we're all posting on a 3rd party site about SWG during our free time at home or down time at work. We're all *way* above caring what the game's main creative influence during it's development says about it. Believe you don't if you like but know that the line you've drawn for yourself doesn't really put you anywhere else.
No not just Wepps, everyone was complaining that SWG lack's no content blah blah blah. Now that Raph is piping the anti-NGE jingle everyone all the sudden loves him and has to report every little thing he posts on his site.
I am a fan of Raph, I also never complained about the sandbox style play that it had, or a lack of content. Smugglers being able to smuggle is a perfect example. A smuggler can smuggle if they want to roleplay and make up their own content which really to me is what smuggling should be about just like any other profession. Get the mastery in your 2 professions done and over with so you can really start to enjoy the game and not have to worry about that part of it anymore.
Wepps on the other hand bitched about how horrible Raph was half the time and then did an about face and adored him another like most everything else he ever discussed.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Wepps and I went around and around under my friends alt acct. "adamrk" --- He is no doubt a moron.. 100%.
He was such a backassward fanboi that you never knew where he stood... at least some of us held our ground and stood by our logic. To me Raph had a great vision, it went down wrong based on corporate greed-- past that I can't tell much more.
Do I think Raph was perfect? No , nobody is but his vision from beta was nothing like the NGE and THIS is where there is a problem.
The game I was sold is not the game you have today.. it's this simple, sure as a MMO and online game things change and get altered.. BUT GUYS, you do not change the core of the game 3 times, 4 times if you include Jedi...
They really fucked this up and we need to just start over or get a new SWG. I can't see the future in the game in it's current state at all. All I see is a bunch of bad ideas that were used as a bad attempt to get more people to fool or lie to in the game for a bit longer.
Sure they have a few but sooner or later a Tiger always bears his stripes and this Tiger's stripes are starting to show again.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
No not just Wepps, everyone was complaining that SWG lack's no content blah blah blah. Now that Raph is piping the anti-NGE jingle everyone all the sudden loves him and has to report every little thing he posts on his site.
I am a fan of Raph, I also never complained about the sandbox style play that it had, or a lack of content. Smugglers being able to smuggle is a perfect example. A smuggler can smuggle if they want to roleplay and make up their own content which really to me is what smuggling should be about just like any other profession. Get the mastery in your 2 professions done and over with so you can really start to enjoy the game and not have to worry about that part of it anymore.
Wepps on the other hand bitched about how horrible Raph was half the time and then did an about face and adored him another like most everything else he ever discussed.
Even gamespy has joined that anti-SWG banwagon now