By the time this EMU is up and running (if it ever is) the other MMOs on the market will have already killed it off.
The way I see SWG Pre-cu EMU is like people talking about how they used to play Donkey Kong as kids and how great it was. Yeah great so if there was a Donkey Kong Online MMORPG that's a 2D game exactly like the old arcade game I suppose everyone would drop their current MMOs and start playing it? I doubt it, why? Because Donkey Kong was good for 25 years ago (I didn't like it much even then) but no-ones gonna spend time playing it with other people like a current MMO.
This EMU is the same thing, SWG both pre-cu and NGE are dead. Ressurecting the pre-cu corpse won't make a difference to the $OE version as that's flatlining as I type this! It may make a difference to a few people but the playerbase would be tiny within months, hacked and exploited to hell and back and even more unstable than the version you pay for. It would be more like work than fun.
At the rate the market changes, by the time this EMU is running it'll be like Donkey Kong compare to Street Fighter 2.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
And again, what I currently have housed on my server for MY friends is much better than what I had a few months back and much much better than what was handed to me by SOE after my loyal patronage.
So a company that did all of the artwork, design, implementation, not to mention that ran the game for 2 years did less than a simple emulator that allows you to move around a dead world?
Originally posted by Rekrul And again, what I currently have housed on my server for MY friends is much better than what I had a few months back and much much better than what was handed to me by SOE after my loyal patronage.
So a company that did all of the artwork, design, implementation, not to mention that ran the game for 2 years did less than a simple emulator that allows you to move around a dead world?
Interesting.
No, what they did do was take my game away from me because as you well know I was an acceptable loss in an effort for mythical audience. And just exactly how did they run it? You need to keep it less than simple in the descriptions. Did they run it well?
Originally posted by Agricola1 By the time this EMU is up and running (if it ever is) the other MMOs on the market will have already killed it off. The way I see SWG Pre-cu EMU is like people talking about how they used to play Donkey Kong as kids and how great it was. Yeah great so if there was a Donkey Kong Online MMORPG that's a 2D game exactly like the old arcade game I suppose everyone would drop their current MMOs and start playing it? I doubt it, why? Because Donkey Kong was good for 25 years ago (I didn't like it much even then) but no-ones gonna spend time playing it with other people like a current MMO. This EMU is the same thing, SWG both pre-cu and NGE are dead. Ressurecting the pre-cu corpse won't make a difference to the $OE version as that's flatlining as I type this! It may make a difference to a few people but the playerbase would be tiny within months, hacked and exploited to hell and back and even more unstable than the version you pay for. It would be more like work than fun. At the rate the market changes, by the time this EMU is running it'll be like Donkey Kong compare to Street Fighter 2.
Got a game coming out in the next year worth a damn? I'm interested.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde Got a game coming out in the next year worth a damn? I'm interested.
Well there is Eve Online which has been out as long as SWG and is definatly worth a whole lot of damn... Then there is STO and Fallen Earth that will be out next year and they both look to be worth way more than any out of the ordinairy damn lol...
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde Got a game coming out in the next year worth a damn? I'm interested.
Well there is Eve Online which has been out as long as SWG and is definatly worth a whole lot of damn... Then there is STO and Fallen Earth that will be out next year and they both look to be worth way more than any out of the ordinairy damn lol...
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
Eve is worth a look by most; I have tried it three different times. I even got to the point where I could run around in some of the bigger ships. But to me, it suffers from the same problem as post-CU SWG - I don't feel purpose. To me it was a major grind.
Eve has a great backstory. I am rather entertained by all the background info you get on the website and sometimes in game, but it just does not gel with what everybody does in the game. You choose to be one of the 4 races, but it truly has little impact on what you do. Something is just missing.
At least when base raids were happening in SWG you could feel like you were a Rebel or Imperial. Or when you got TEF'd and hunted down by an overt of the other side. Nothing in Eve made me feel like I was Gallentean or Amarrian. I think the newer MMOs coming should concentrate on integrating people into the backstory somehow. It's a big challenge, but well worth it.
Bottom line: For me the pre-CU made me feel like I was THERE. Eve and post-CU made me feel like a guy at a keyboard watching pixels.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Originally posted by Obraik Apart from molestering Darth Vader, I'm not seeing anything I can't do in the Live version of SWG
You know sometime you make me wonder if you'd willing or able to admit to disliking anything that has happend to SWG or that might happen to it. I know you like the NGE, I know you dodn't feel like it effected you at all but you come across to me like you don't think anyone was effected by it and that absolutly everything you could do pre NGE can be done post NGE and that the entire design focus of the game didn't change.
Originally posted by maxanto
Originally posted by Shayde Got a game coming out in the next year worth a damn? I'm interested.
Well there is Eve Online which has been out as long as SWG and is definatly worth a whole lot of damn... Then there is STO and Fallen Earth that will be out next year and they both look to be worth way more than any out of the ordinairy damn lol...
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
As well as EvE is put together and as glad I am to see a company like CPP out there and as much as I want that type of company to be rewarded for treating it's players well, I just can't develope any intrest in playing EvE and I'm not the only one. It's probably never going to be develope past being a niche game (not that being a niche game is wrong, I wish SoE had been happy with SWG preNGE being one and anyway anything but the same old same old fantasy setting seems to be one too), although a very long lasting niche game as I can't see the players that love it going anywhere else.
Originally posted by Obraik Apart from molestering Darth Vader, I'm not seeing anything I can't do in the Live version of SWG
You know sometime you make me wonder if you'd willing or able to admit to disliking anything that has happend to SWG or that might happen to it. I know you like the NGE, I know you dodn't feel like it effected you at all but you come across to me like you don't think anyone was effected by it and that absolutly everything you could do pre NGE can be done post NGE and that the entire design focus of the game didn't change.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
Originally posted by SODAofBRIA Fallen Earth looks really crappy... STO is still like a year and a half off or something.. The combat in Conan looks interesting, but I'm not holding my breath..plus it's in the "fantasy" genre, which doesn't exactly "pump my nads".
Good so I won't worry about seeing you there right? Public beta release is summer of 2007.
Originally posted by jrscott Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Shayde Got a game coming out in the next year worth a damn? I'm interested.
Well there is Eve Online which has been out as long as SWG and is definatly worth a whole lot of damn... Then there is STO and Fallen Earth that will be out next year and they both look to be worth way more than any out of the ordinairy damn lol...
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
Eve is worth a look by most; I have tried it three different times. I even got to the point where I could run around in some of the bigger ships. But to me, it suffers from the same problem as post-CU SWG - I don't feel purpose. To me it was a major grind.
Eve has a great backstory. I am rather entertained by all the background info you get on the website and sometimes in game, but it just does not gel with what everybody does in the game. You choose to be one of the 4 races, but it truly has little impact on what you do. Something is just missing.
At least when base raids were happening in SWG you could feel like you were a Rebel or Imperial. Or when you got TEF'd and hunted down by an overt of the other side. Nothing in Eve made me feel like I was Gallentean or Amarrian. I think the newer MMOs coming should concentrate on integrating people into the backstory somehow. It's a big challenge, but well worth it.
Bottom line: For me the pre-CU made me feel like I was THERE. Eve and post-CU made me feel like a guy at a keyboard watching pixels.
Eve has a ncie steep learning curve. This is what I have found to be the main reason why people don't play it. Its also toon free so cyber pervs won't have any interest in it either. Besides that it has everything. A GREAT crafting system a player dominated market, amazing PvP, wonderful community of gamers from all around the world... The more I learn about the game the more addicted I become, and yea I am still learning tons and I have been playing for 6 months.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by War_Dancer
Originally posted by Obraik Apart from molestering Darth Vader, I'm not seeing anything I can't do in the Live version of SWG
You know sometime you make me wonder if you'd willing or able to admit to disliking anything that has happend to SWG or that might happen to it. I know you like the NGE, I know you dodn't feel like it effected you at all but you come across to me like you don't think anyone was effected by it and that absolutly everything you could do pre NGE can be done post NGE and that the entire design focus of the game didn't change.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
I don't disagree with that on the EMU (I'm neutral when it comes to the NGE) but I didn't ask what I did just because of your opinion of the EMU though and a more general feeling from having read lots of your posts. Maybe this is the wrong place to have asked but I do sometimes get the feeling from you think that SWG NGE is just perfect and no one has a legitimite complaint about what was done with the NGE.
Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by War_Dancer
Originally posted by Obraik Apart from molestering Darth Vader, I'm not seeing anything I can't do in the Live version of SWG
You know sometime you make me wonder if you'd willing or able to admit to disliking anything that has happend to SWG or that might happen to it. I know you like the NGE, I know you dodn't feel like it effected you at all but you come across to me like you don't think anyone was effected by it and that absolutly everything you could do pre NGE can be done post NGE and that the entire design focus of the game didn't change.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
I don't disagree with that on the EMU (I'm neutral when it comes to the NGE) but I didn't ask what I did just because of your opinion of the EMU though and a more general feeling from having read lots of your posts. Maybe this is the wrong place to have asked but I do sometimes get the feeling from you think that SWG NGE is just perfect and no one has a legitimite complaint about what was done with the NGE.
No, the current SWG is not perfect but it wasn't perfect before the NGE either. I fully understand that the NGE is not everyones cup of tea and that there were things about pre-nge/cu that were appealing to others that aren't in the game anymore and they do have things to complain about
Originally posted by kefkah 1. The pictures shown are from earlier builds - early 100 to be exact so several of the milestones that have come about especially in the 140's are not present. For those who are actually building the code and reading the logs given with each version, the progress is no less than astounding. They have installed states which are vital to the combat system, inventory, items, coloration of items, stabalized the client, revealed some of the reasons of the lag that was present in SOE's version of SWG and went about fixing it. Each of these fixes and claims are backed up with the presentation and comparison of code. Currently right now, the combat coding classes has begun. As it is open source, the community has been submitting fixes and help and the project is going much stronger than any other emu effort I ever witnessed. That may not mean much to you but to me - it has my interest and respect. Main point - before you knock it - download the source every day for a week, build it and take a look. If its against your ethics - then fine but don't bother complaining about progress or code. 2. The pictures shown were from someone's private server. There are now hundreds of those. So any humor or tasteless joke should be considered isolated to that server. Yes, there will be quite a few bad examples. But then again, that happens with anything. My first week on SOE's version had me receiving a screenshot that had a person seemingly doing a questionable act to Vader. Had I based my entire opinion on this screenshot and the actions of others - I probably would not have grown to love the Eclipse community. 3. The guys running THE site aren't models of personality. Frankly, I don't care. I called the phone guy out to look at my troubled line. The man was rude and gruff. He still fixed my line. Had my tire changed at walmart last week thanks to a nail. The guy who put my info into their system looked at my as if I was an unbrand microwave meal. I don't think he would have stopped to save me out of a burning car. But after 1/2 an hour - my tire was fixed. He did his job according to MY needs. I don't want the devs to be flower children. I want them to code. Code it right. Yeah, they could learn to shrug off some of that god complex but as long as they meet the needs and put out the product - I don't care. Its working for free. And SOE has taught me well in matters of dealing with arses. The difference is these guys are doing what I want. Finally for the record, the progress being that it is. I would be surprised if we didnt see a rudimentary combat system in place by mid August. I didnt say balanced or complete but one none the less. And again, what I currently have housed on my server for MY friends is much better than what I had a few months back and much much better than what was handed to me by SOE after my loyal patronage.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by War_Dancer
Originally posted by Obraik Apart from molestering Darth Vader, I'm not seeing anything I can't do in the Live version of SWG
You know sometime you make me wonder if you'd willing or able to admit to disliking anything that has happend to SWG or that might happen to it. I know you like the NGE, I know you dodn't feel like it effected you at all but you come across to me like you don't think anyone was effected by it and that absolutly everything you could do pre NGE can be done post NGE and that the entire design focus of the game didn't change.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
I don't disagree with that on the EMU (I'm neutral when it comes to the NGE) but I didn't ask what I did just because of your opinion of the EMU though and a more general feeling from having read lots of your posts. Maybe this is the wrong place to have asked but I do sometimes get the feeling from you think that SWG NGE is just perfect and no one has a legitimite complaint about what was done with the NGE.
No, the current SWG is not perfect but it wasn't perfect before the NGE either. I fully understand that the NGE is not everyones cup of tea and that there were things about pre-nge/cu that were appealing to others that aren't in the game anymore and they do have things to complain about
Ok that's all fair, thanks for the answer Obraik. I thought I was probably being unfair to you with that feeling.
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By the time this EMU is up and running (if it ever is) the other MMOs on the market will have already killed it off.
The way I see SWG Pre-cu EMU is like people talking about how they used to play Donkey Kong as kids and how great it was. Yeah great so if there was a Donkey Kong Online MMORPG that's a 2D game exactly like the old arcade game I suppose everyone would drop their current MMOs and start playing it? I doubt it, why? Because Donkey Kong was good for 25 years ago (I didn't like it much even then) but no-ones gonna spend time playing it with other people like a current MMO.
This EMU is the same thing, SWG both pre-cu and NGE are dead. Ressurecting the pre-cu corpse won't make a difference to the $OE version as that's flatlining as I type this! It may make a difference to a few people but the playerbase would be tiny within months, hacked and exploited to hell and back and even more unstable than the version you pay for. It would be more like work than fun.
At the rate the market changes, by the time this EMU is running it'll be like Donkey Kong compare to Street Fighter 2.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Interesting.
Interesting.
No, what they did do was take my game away from me because as you well know I was an acceptable loss in an effort for mythical audience. And just exactly how did they run it? You need to keep it less than simple in the descriptions. Did they run it well?
This simple emulator give the game back to me.
Far more Interesting.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Fallen Earth looks really crappy...
STO is still like a year and a half off or something..
The combat in Conan looks interesting, but I'm not holding my breath..plus it's in the "fantasy" genre, which doesn't exactly "pump my nads".
Love, Sodapop
Eve is worth a look by most; I have tried it three different times. I even got to the point where I could run around in some of the bigger ships. But to me, it suffers from the same problem as post-CU SWG - I don't feel purpose. To me it was a major grind.
Eve has a great backstory. I am rather entertained by all the background info you get on the website and sometimes in game, but it just does not gel with what everybody does in the game. You choose to be one of the 4 races, but it truly has little impact on what you do. Something is just missing.
At least when base raids were happening in SWG you could feel like you were a Rebel or Imperial. Or when you got TEF'd and hunted down by an overt of the other side. Nothing in Eve made me feel like I was Gallentean or Amarrian. I think the newer MMOs coming should concentrate on integrating people into the backstory somehow. It's a big challenge, but well worth it.
Bottom line: For me the pre-CU made me feel like I was THERE. Eve and post-CU made me feel like a guy at a keyboard watching pixels.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Originally posted by Obraik
Apart from molestering Darth Vader, I'm not seeing anything I can't do in the Live version of SWG
You know sometime you make me wonder if you'd willing or able to admit to disliking anything that has happend to SWG or that might happen to it. I know you like the NGE, I know you dodn't feel like it effected you at all but you come across to me like you don't think anyone was effected by it and that absolutly everything you could do pre NGE can be done post NGE and that the entire design focus of the game didn't change.
Originally posted by maxanto Well there is Eve Online which has been
out as long as SWG and is definatly worth a whole lot of damn... Then
there is STO and Fallen Earth that will be out next year and they both
look to be worth way more than any out of the ordinairy damn lol...
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
As well as EvE is put together and as glad I am to see a company like CPP out there and as much as I want that type of company to be rewarded for treating it's players well, I just can't develope any intrest in playing EvE and I'm not the only one. It's probably never going to be develope past being a niche game (not that being a niche game is wrong, I wish SoE had been happy with SWG preNGE being one and anyway anything but the same old same old fantasy setting seems to be one too), although a very long lasting niche game as I can't see the players that love it going anywhere else.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
Public beta release is summer of 2007.
Amazed that this thread is still open though since it breaks the "No free server links" rules...
Eve is worth a look by most; I have tried it three different times. I even got to the point where I could run around in some of the bigger ships. But to me, it suffers from the same problem as post-CU SWG - I don't feel purpose. To me it was a major grind.
Eve has a great backstory. I am rather entertained by all the background info you get on the website and sometimes in game, but it just does not gel with what everybody does in the game. You choose to be one of the 4 races, but it truly has little impact on what you do. Something is just missing.
At least when base raids were happening in SWG you could feel like you were a Rebel or Imperial. Or when you got TEF'd and hunted down by an overt of the other side. Nothing in Eve made me feel like I was Gallentean or Amarrian. I think the newer MMOs coming should concentrate on integrating people into the backstory somehow. It's a big challenge, but well worth it.
Bottom line: For me the pre-CU made me feel like I was THERE. Eve and post-CU made me feel like a guy at a keyboard watching pixels.
Eve has a ncie steep learning curve. This is what I have found to be the main reason why people don't play it. Its also toon free so cyber pervs won't have any interest in it either. Besides that it has everything. A GREAT crafting system a player dominated market, amazing PvP, wonderful community of gamers from all around the world... The more I learn about the game the more addicted I become, and yea I am still learning tons and I have been playing for 6 months.
Eve isnt missing anything.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
I don't disagree with that on the EMU (I'm neutral when it comes to the NGE) but I didn't ask what I did just because of your opinion of the EMU though and a more general feeling from having read lots of your posts. Maybe this is the wrong place to have asked but I do sometimes get the feeling from you think that SWG NGE is just perfect and no one has a legitimite complaint about what was done with the NGE.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
I don't disagree with that on the EMU (I'm neutral when it comes to the NGE) but I didn't ask what I did just because of your opinion of the EMU though and a more general feeling from having read lots of your posts. Maybe this is the wrong place to have asked but I do sometimes get the feeling from you think that SWG NGE is just perfect and no one has a legitimite complaint about what was done with the NGE.
No, the current SWG is not perfect but it wasn't perfect before the NGE either. I fully understand that the NGE is not everyones cup of tea and that there were things about pre-nge/cu that were appealing to others that aren't in the game anymore and they do have things to complain about
Very well said.
John Smedley beat up my grandmother.
I'm speaking about at this time. At this time, there's nothing in the EMU that you can't do in the current version of SWG. At this time, all the EMU allows you to do is explore around the planets. Someday in the future maybe it'll allow more but until then the only difference is that it's free.
I don't disagree with that on the EMU (I'm neutral when it comes to the NGE) but I didn't ask what I did just because of your opinion of the EMU though and a more general feeling from having read lots of your posts. Maybe this is the wrong place to have asked but I do sometimes get the feeling from you think that SWG NGE is just perfect and no one has a legitimite complaint about what was done with the NGE.
No, the current SWG is not perfect but it wasn't perfect before the NGE either. I fully understand that the NGE is not everyones cup of tea and that there were things about pre-nge/cu that were appealing to others that aren't in the game anymore and they do have things to complain about
Ok that's all fair, thanks for the answer Obraik. I thought I was probably being unfair to you with that feeling.