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Are MMORPGS that poor now or do I need a new hobby?
Xenduli
Member Posts: 654
MMORPGS just don't cut it with me anymore. Yes there is no perfect mmorpg, but I think that I've been there and done that too many times. I'm a semi-hardcore player, not really a PvPer but if a game has it then that doesn't bother me. I tend to only have at the very very most 20 hours a week to spare with a MMO, most times less. If a MMO is really good I can stretch a little more.
I think I need a new hobby, there really is only so many times that you will go "oohh that was cool 
" or "how on earth did I survive THAT" in a game. I've met some truly great people online and I'm glad to have known them, but I've also met some real slimebags. Thankfully I've been in some terrific guilds, just to say that there are some great players in DDO, you know who you are. Thing is, even casual players get bored, it's a myth to think they hang around longer because they haven't seen as much as someone more hardcore. Game designers take note. I enjoyed Guild Wars when it came out, no travelling between zones is a godsend for a casual player but on the same token I do like to explore a little and the excessive instancing started to grate as I progressed. Great game, just a little too simplistic for me and in the end was deceptively pretty hardcore. Tried EVE, that was just too boring but I get how it could be good. I had to use a known method to kill engine noise, that was silly, but being a spaceship just felt cramped. Now Anarchy Online, terrific game, oddball of a community but on the whole a sound bunch, not everyone liked Shadowlands but to me that was the best part of it.
Ahh World of Warcraft, what's been said about it I can't expand on, everyone knows about the split personality it has when you get to level 60. Trouble is everyone has got to level 60. There was something about progressing in a MMO knowing that you are behind and that to get to the end level was an acheivement in itself, a reward to gloat about it was as if the player who got to the end level was magical themselves [sadly WoW broke that delusion]. Aside from Guild Wars and Horizons, World of Warcraft is the only MMO where I reached the end level. I've been pretty close in others. Nothing else can be said that hasn't already been.
So I don't want anyone to tell me "Just wait until X is released", because chances are that it won't deviate enough to be interesting or to justify paying a monthly fee. I've even done the holiday/cold turkey thing, I just ended up doing a few trials of lesser known MMO's going "meh I can see where this is going, no thanks". The magic really has gone, so with all the bitching that goes on just remember that you will all lose out one day. Never to return....
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Can I have your stuff?
you are right about games today, they seem to be failing, but there are some promissing ones, and there is one game comming out that is doing something truly unique, if you havent heard of project offset, i suggest you check it out, first MMO medevil based fps.
I could big it up, but the ingame movie clips speak for themself - http://www.projectoffset.com/
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I sure hope, when I run my business, that I fail with the same growth rate the online gaming industry is "failing" at.
Everything else is simply mediocre bullshite.
OP:
Same feeling here. Just trying to get back that 'feeling', but more often than not, i quit an MMORPG after a month.
I know how you feel. I've been reading posts on MMORPG.com religiously looking for a game to play and even trying one or two and I just feel that there are no good games out there right now. I don't think we've grown out of them, I think the games companies are making today aren't true MMORPGs but the "hollywood movie" cookie cutter games they "think" the masses want to play.
okay
anyways..i've gone back to playing single player rpg's, fps's..whatever is a timesink game (besides mmorpgs).
im just waiting for AoC or whatever is coming next
I think the sandbox type mmo's are the kind that people eventually migrate over to, which is why I play EVE.
Once upon a time....
I'm not singling you out, because another said something about AC also, but why don't you all keep playing AC if it is so good? Surely you all must have developed close relationships with others that still play that game and surely you wouldn't be as shallow as to suggest that you don't play it anymore because of the outdated graphics. So if it is the best game for you, how come you all don't play it anymore.
I quit playing DAoC because they kept releasing expansion packs, which spread out the community even more thin than it already was. Plus they implemented some pretty stupid things that destroyed the game for new comers. I thought since I am questioning you on why you left AC, that I owe it to you to explain why I left my first game.
I'm not singling you out, because another said something about AC also, but why don't you all keep playing AC if it is so good? Surely you all must have developed close relationships with others that still play that game and surely you wouldn't be as shallow as to suggest that you don't play it anymore because of the outdated graphics. So if it is the best game for you, how come you all don't play it anymore.
I quit playing DAoC because they kept releasing expansion packs, which spread out the community even more thin than it already was. Plus they implemented some pretty stupid things that destroyed the game for new comers. I thought since I am questioning you on why you left AC, that I owe it to you to explain why I left my first game.
When I started playing Asheron's Call the game world was full of life, it was packed with people trading, talking, doing quests, you name it. I was in a very closely knit allegiance in the game and if they indeed still played AC, I wouldn't have left. The truth of the matter is, Asheron's Call took several population hits, starting with the releases of SWG and AC2, but the real AC killer was WoW. The release of WoW caused not only my allegiance to be uprooted, but the majority of my AC server also. They are still playing World of Warcraft today, a game which I can't stomach post level 59. The current population of AC is dismal. According to MMOGChart.com, AC is one of the least subscribed to MMO's, having around 10,000 subscribers as of Feb. 06. Sadly, AC is a shadow of it's former self. I assume it will eventually be closed and have the servers shut down just like AC2.
short version: wow pwned me rofflezzz
When World of Warcraft was released and the market spiked, there have been many companies trying to clone that success by using the same techniques. Since WoW is, in my opinoin, a mediocre game at best, you can expect less than original or interesting titles from the MMO industry for years to come.
It's how business works... they look at what the masses buy and try to emulate the most popular product. While most businesses are damned to the path of mimicry, there are still a few small companies who want to make the next legendary benchmark by asking actual people (in forums and other public places) about what they want to see in a game, not what is assumed.
I can dream, right?
I sure hope, when I run my business, that I fail with the same growth rate the online gaming industry is "failing" at.
There are A LOT of people who stomach online games with the small hope that maybe it will get better with a later expansion, reason they keep paying that monthly fee, look at swg, that game should be dead right now but it isnt, people bash warcraft so much, on forums and ingame, yet people still play, why?
" I heard X patch will make this better?" " you did, cool, i will hang around i hope they add that".. "oh they didnt do it, well there are talks that it will be in a later patch, alright i will stick around, lets get ready for naxxramas"
The games out today are terrible, personally i am hopeing end of 2006, begining 2007 brings some great games, Heros journey, Age of conan, i guess vangaurd, all look promissing. Online gaming industry makes a lot of money sure, doesnt mean the games being released arent failures, or failing.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
" I heard X patch will make this better?" " you did, cool, i will hang around i hope they add that".. "oh they didnt do it, well there are talks that it will be in a later patch, alright i will stick around, lets get ready for naxxramas"
The games out today are terrible, personally i am hopeing end of 2006, begining 2007 brings some great games, Heros journey, Age of conan, i guess vangaurd, all look promissing. Online gaming industry makes a lot of money sure, doesnt mean the games being released arent failures, or failing.
I'm curious what you see in any of the games you listed. They seem to me to be more of the same, level grind to end game/end game/expansions-of-more-of-the-same to keep people happy.
How can these games be promising? It seems to me they are direct continuations of those kinds of promises that current games use to snare players. Am I wrong? What do you see as promising about these games that will possibly make them better to play? Or anyone, the question is open.
Once upon a time....
" I heard X patch will make this better?" " you did, cool, i will hang around i hope they add that".. "oh they didnt do it, well there are talks that it will be in a later patch, alright i will stick around, lets get ready for naxxramas"
The games out today are terrible, personally i am hopeing end of 2006, begining 2007 brings some great games, Heros journey, Age of conan, i guess vangaurd, all look promissing. Online gaming industry makes a lot of money sure, doesnt mean the games being released arent failures, or failing.
I'm curious what you see in any of the games you listed. They seem to me to be more of the same, level grind to end game/end game/expansions-of-more-of-the-same to keep people happy.
How can these games be promising? It seems to me they are direct continuations of those kinds of promises that current games use to snare players. Am I wrong? What do you see as promising about these games that will possibly make them better to play? Or anyone, the question is open.
Hero's Journey is the only one that really sounds interesting to me, primarily because of the Journey System. There really hasn't been a lot of information released on it, but it's supposed to dynamically generate plot points, storylines, and even recurring enemies based on where your character goes and what your character does.
I originally got into MUDs and MMOs because I was looking for a replacement for tabletop gaming that'd be available whenever I had time to play. Unfortunately, the only aspects of tabletop gaming that MMOs have attempted to capture so far are the mechanics and rules sets. What I've been looking for all these years isn't a bunch of game mechanics, it's actual involvement in an ongoing story- the Journey System in Hero's Journey is the first time I've heard of any MMO trying to provide that. Now, whether it actually turns out to be entertaining (or even functional) is yet to be determined.
Yup, you need a hobby. Pretty simple huh. Whats the point of doing anything or playing any sort of game (whatever genre) if your not having fun?
I wonder if FPS's fans constently gripe about how little varation there is in that genre?
Anyways. Personally, I think MMO's are getting nothing but better, there are some great games out there right with amazing community's that surround them. Eve hits me as one, SoR is an amazing experience, EQ2 although it can be a little dull for my taste is a quality game and even L2 has it's moments for many people.
My oppinion, I don't really see how people can look at the amazing titles we have out now, everything from WoW to DoAC and in grotesque sweeping comment say they are all poor, but that's just me, we all have our oppinions.
It's all a matter of perspective, if you can't find any happniness or fun with any of the current crop of games in the genre, yup it's time to move on.
If your looking for a new hobby, motorcycles are wicked fun!!! Go get in trouble
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