Actually, I think it does take longer to get to 60 in WoW then it takes to get to 20 in GW. If not, then I think that is a big waste in time and a result of lazy Devs.
There are months worth of game left in Guild Wars once you hit twenty. Truthfully speaking, everything before that is more of a tutorial. Character progression does not end at 20, the player continues to accumilate experience, and with each experience threshold reached, recieves skill points which can be used to buy new skills. But to become truly competitive in pvp, one must delve into the deepest limits of the endgame pve content to unlock the most powerful of skills. Getting the right armor and weapons in this game is crucial as well, and again, can take months of gameplay, and quite alot of preplanning.
As for how long it takes to get to 60 in WoW, my personal record is 151 hours played, though admitedly I never really tried to get there as fast as possible. I personally know someone who has done it in 80 hours, and I've heard there was someone who managed it in just under 50. Overall, the easiest grind I've seen.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
WoW the game where you are sectioning yourself off with a RESTRICTED number of people in both instances and battlegrounds. Yes, its called a balance issue with the battle grounds, that and the fact that an area can only FIT so many people... And instances, perhaps that is so someone cant go in an instance and overwhelm everything so they can get rare items and sell them then do it all over again. It's to prevent it from being as much of a zerg fest, which is what MMORPG boss fights are.
Gahaha what a copout, and this isn't what Guild wars is doing?
So to what extent do you class WoW as a proper mmorpg?
You are meant to discuss this question not answer it with a simple question. How you will do in your GCSE's writing that I don't know.
Actually... there can be pretty much any number of people in a given zone...I mean, I suppose it can overload sometimes...but pretty much every zone is built to withstand a very large amount of people. So, actually the number of people in these zones are determined by...who walks into the zone...Have you even played EQ?
Not sure what your beef is with me as your questions are provocative but I will answer yes I played EQ and you missed the point of what I'm saying. Its not a seamless world, it may as well be compared to Gunzonline where it has rooms of up to 32 people. The zones in EQ ARE limited, if you put too many people in they crash and did happen on a few occasions in EQ. The zones that will have a lot of people in them will typically be prepared for that eg the bazaar which has been especially designed to hold a large number of people.
What? lol
You don't seem to be understanding the argument, you're throwing daggers but without much thought.
EQOA is persistant, and it an mmorpg in all respects...but it's not on here...probably just because its for a console. Just because an online game is persistant doesn't mean its an MMO.
Can you possibly read my argument again, here it is again:
To be honest, I think people are perhaps being overly pedantic about the term 'mmorpg' and really I think the measure which this site uses and many games which class themselves as 'mmo' use is that they just have persistance. To which probably, persistant online gaming would perhaps be a more apt term but still. (By the way I think this board is much the better for including Guild Wars and DDO)
By many people's terms many mmos could be dismissed as non mmos but they're being branched because they share a characteristic of mmos in being persistant. To which I argue that perhaps there should be a new more apt definition.
Edit: By the way I acknowledged in my original post 'by true mmorpg rules WoW has already won'. What I'm trying to do here is discuss and I bring up a valid point, to which I know there are arguments that would be able to perhaps assert Guild Wars doesn't deserve to fall under the term 'mmorpg' but your arguments are less than persuasive in my opinion and I have replied to that degree.
By many people's terms many mmos could be dismissed as non mmos but they're being branched because they share a characteristic of mmos in being persistant. To which I argue that perhaps there should be a new more apt definition.
I agree with you here. And I do not believe that different "branches" should be compared with each other. Truthfully, I don't care what the heck people call GW, I don't think its an MMO, but it does share qualities. If it is in fact an MMO its a branch far away from WoW, and it gets on my nerves when anyone would suggest comparing the two. They are two TOTALLY different branches of MMO.
Actually, I think it does take longer to get to 60 in WoW then it takes to get to 20 in GW. If not, then I think that is a big waste in time and a result of lazy Devs.
There are months worth of game left in Guild Wars once you hit twenty. Truthfully speaking, everything before that is more of a tutorial. Character progression does not end at 20, the player continues to accumilate experience, and with each experience threshold reached, recieves skill points which can be used to buy new skills. But to become truly competitive in pvp, one must delve into the deepest limits of the endgame pve content to unlock the most powerful of skills. Getting the right armor and weapons in this game is crucial as well, and again, can take months of gameplay, and quite alot of preplanning.
As for how long it takes to get to 60 in WoW, my personal record is 151 hours played, though admitedly I never really tried to get there as fast as possible. I personally know someone who has done it in 80 hours, and I've heard there was someone who managed it in just under 50. Overall, the easiest grind I've seen.
If you take on end-game development, WoW got a few months of work too. Lets say.. You want Thunderfury. Start working on it, go go go go go.
I agree with you here. And I do not believe that different "branches" should be compared with each other. Truthfully, I don't care what the heck people call GW, I don't think its an MMO, but it does share qualities. If it is in fact an MMO its a branch far away from WoW, and it gets on my nerves when anyone would suggest comparing the two. They are two TOTALLY different branches of MMO.
To be honest, you can't really compare the two as they are two different games, but my intent was to create a fun, interesting cup along the lines of Azpunk's but a little more organized and include the majority of the mmos on this site of which Guild Wars is one, and WoW is another, and I have stretched that to include certain mmofps'.
Originally posted by Theodoryk Damn, you again, still flaming anyone who disagrees with your opinion and puking up the same tired old phrases in an ineffective attempt to sound intelligent. BTW, it is not my opinion, those are facts, learn the difference. You will might sound intelligent.
You only make a fool of yourself arguing against the fact that Guild Wars is MMORPG. Apparently, you can't fit it inside your little head that a CORPG could possibly be a kind of MMORPG, no "OMFG ITs NOT A MMORPG teh PRDICuder sed so NUUB!". You're one of those people that froths at the mouth when you see a Shaggy record in the "Pop" section, aren't you? I have Casper on the phone, he wants his bedsheet back.
In conclusion, keep dancing monkey, its funny as hell.
LMAO, I think you are the one who makes himself look like a fool. You have all the proof and fact in your face and you still claim that GW is an MMORPG, a CORPG can't be a kind of MMORPG, it says it is a CORPG. You are the one who can not fit the fact inside your mind.
Right now you look pretty stupid being the only one claiming GW is an MMORPG, and yes I will say the same fact over and over again because even if I show thousand of fact you are too stubborn you will never understand. In fact I don't care if you think GW is an MMORPG, but you can stop screaming it everywhere. You sound like religeous ppl who knocks at everyone's door to tell them "God is reel, join us if you want to be save" they believe in it and I don't care, but when they come to my place, it's another story. So instead of trying to counter my fact with your opinion, get some fact to opose yourself to me.
At the end, everyone knows GW is a CORPG, so keep telling nice story to yourself and sleep well My Friend. You do not worth the time spent arguing with you, because to defend you point of you, you will attack not the fact but myself, this is too lame. I thought I could have a good fact challenge with but no.
Oh BTW, I forgot to mention. I have been playing GW since the launch, not since 3 weeks. That might disturb you, I am sorry.
PS: 1- I never called you NUUB, because I am not disrespectful. 2- Because you do not have any facts to prove your point you have to attack ppl directly by calling them name. You know these are just typed word, does not affect me realy.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
LMAO, I think you are the one who makes himself look like a fool. You have all the proof and fact in your face and you still claim that GW is an MMORPG, a CORPG can't be a kind of MMORPG, it says it is a CORPG. You are the one who can not fit the fact inside your mind.
And your response to my counter is....the same shit you said the first three times. Copy and paste for the win.
Right now you look pretty stupid being the only one claiming GW is an MMORPG, and yes I will say the same fact over and over again because even if I show thousand of fact you are too stubborn you will never understand.
I'm not the only one arguing that Guild Wars is an MMORPG, take the blinders off your eyes. As for "you will never understand", I understand, I disagree. Sorry you have a hard time stomaching the fact that someone might actually disagree with you.
In fact I don't care if you think GW is an MMORPG but you can stop screaming it everywhere.
Ah, I see, you don't care what I think, you would simply like to deny me the right to express my opinions.
You sound like religeous ppl who knocks at everyone's door to tell them "God is reel, join us if you want to be save" they believe in it and I don't care, but when they come to my place, it's another story.
First of all, you're the one who pursued this argument with me, so according to your analogy, you're the "religeous ppl", as you so quantly put it. Secondly, this isn't your place. If you don't like it, I recommend you piss off. Lastly, what a pathetic fucking argument. "You disagree with me, I will compare you to a religious fundamentalist!" Could you discredit yourself any more?
So instead of trying to counter my fact with your opinion, get some fact to opose yourself to me.
Well, since you've suddenly grown so fond of a scientific approach, allow me to respond in kind. This argument is not your "fact" against my "opinion", it is your interpretation of available data against my interpretation of available data. This is something I've clearly stated more than once, and something you are apparently unable to respond to. Our conversation looks something like this: 1) I state an opinion, 2) you counter my opinion with an interpretation of available data, 3) I counter your interpretation with an alternative interpretation, 4) having no counter to my alternative interpretation, you restate your own, effectively returning us to step 2. You are not seeking to come to conclusions by way of logical analysis and debate, you are simply trying to force your interpretation on me, disclaiming any interpretation other than your own as heresy. You know who else takes this approach in debates? Religous fundamentalists. Who's door-knocking now?
At the end, everyone knows GW is a CORPG, so keep telling nice story to yourself and sleep well My Friend. You do not worth the time spent arguing with you, because to defend you point of you, you will attack not the fact but myself, this is too lame. I thought I could have a good fact challenge with but no.
Slow down, your writing so furiously that I can hardly understand what the hell you're trying to say anymore. Butchering the Enlgish language is not called for, imo. As for the other points in this particular segment of your irrational flaming, I feel I've already addressed them above. I, unlike you, don't feel the need to repeat myself.
Oh BTW, I forgot to mention. I have been playing GW since the launch, not since 3 weeks. That might disturb you, I am sorry.
And why would that disturb me? Would it disturb you? If so, you're rather easily shaken.
PS: 1- I never called you NUUB, because I am not disrespectful.
Actually, you're quite direspectful, rude, and arrogant. I recommend you read over the things you've written before trying to bullshit your way to sainthood.
2- Because you do not have any facts to prove your point you have to attack ppl directly by calling them name. You know these are just typed word, does not affect me realy.
The "facts" thing I've already addressed. As for my having to "attack ppl directly", I don't have to, I just like to watch you squirm. I think its cute that after flaming me nonstop across two seperate threads, and calling me everything ranging from "stupid", "fool", to "religious ppl", you have the audacity to make this self-righteous statement. Pardon me for responding in kind to your bullshit. As the old saying goes, don't dish out what you can't take.
So in conclusion, keep pushing your dogmatic agenda while simultaniously butchering the English language, and I'll keep laughing at you.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Thanatosx33 Originally posted by logangregor Originally posted by Thanatosx33All do respect, but anyone who compares GW to WoW obviously isn't too bright. My reasons. A. GW is free, a free game versus one with monthly fees should never be compared to one another. It should be compared to other free games that you have to buy the disc for. What do you consider to be free? I paid 50 dollars for GuildWars and its still a huge waste of money. What part about what I posted didn't answer the question you just asked? Are you blind? Or did you neglect to read anything past the word "free game". By including what I highlighted I think it's more than obvious what I consider Free. B. GW is totally instance based...It should not be compared to a non-instance based game. Many online games have instanced areas. At what point did I say they didn't? But, whatever point you may have had...I will rebuddle with this. most mmorpgs, are not; however....TOTALLY ISNTANCE BASED, which is the point that I was trying to make if you can grasp it. The general idea of GW is the same as any other online game. You fight monsters that give you xp...so you can lvl...gain more skills etc etc- Its all the same. Yes. C. Only 20 levels, and you can start at 20 anytime you want to, so the character "building" aspect can be totally blown out of the water. 20 lvls right off the bat-- VERY MISLEADING. For starters its a lvl 20 GIMP charachter with not HALF the skills you need to pvp. And the idea that 20 lvls of GW is quicker than wow's 60 is absurd Actually, I think it does take longer to get to 60 in WoW then it takes to get to 20 in GW. If not, then I think that is a big waste in time and a result of lazy Devs. D. GW is all about pvp, raiding aspects are considerably smaller, Whereas WoW has very much raiding. Guildwars is the lamest pvp Ive ever played. 8 skills....bleh. Picking what skills I want for my charachter so I can make a overpowered SPEC group with my guild?--BLEH. I agree raiding aspects of GW are tiny compared to wow. Not that I care...I play wow for one thing -PvP- and its a absolute blast compared to the yawn fest of GW Agreed, I hate GW. That doesn't change the fact that it is the overall premise of the game, just because it sucks. E. GW is not an MMORPG. Really? Your so sure of yourself. MMORPG= Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Just going by your abbrievitation, yeah...it is. Going by the typical idea of an MMORPG, however...It is not. And if it is truely and MMO, then I think its a rather pitiful excuse for one.
Well I have nothing really to argue about because as soon as I saw you hate GW too-- well your my new best friend
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There are months worth of game left in Guild Wars once you hit twenty. Truthfully speaking, everything before that is more of a tutorial. Character progression does not end at 20, the player continues to accumilate experience, and with each experience threshold reached, recieves skill points which can be used to buy new skills. But to become truly competitive in pvp, one must delve into the deepest limits of the endgame pve content to unlock the most powerful of skills. Getting the right armor and weapons in this game is crucial as well, and again, can take months of gameplay, and quite alot of preplanning.
As for how long it takes to get to 60 in WoW, my personal record is 151 hours played, though admitedly I never really tried to get there as fast as possible. I personally know someone who has done it in 80 hours, and I've heard there was someone who managed it in just under 50. Overall, the easiest grind I've seen.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
You are meant to discuss this question not answer it with a simple question. How you will do in your GCSE's writing that I don't know.
Not sure what your beef is with me as your questions are provocative but I will answer yes I played EQ and you missed the point of what I'm saying. Its not a seamless world, it may as well be compared to Gunzonline where it has rooms of up to 32 people. The zones in EQ ARE limited, if you put too many people in they crash and did happen on a few occasions in EQ. The zones that will have a lot of people in them will typically be prepared for that eg the bazaar which has been especially designed to hold a large number of people.
You don't seem to be understanding the argument, you're throwing daggers but without much thought.
Can you possibly read my argument again, here it is again:
By many people's terms many mmos could be dismissed as non mmos but they're being branched because they share a characteristic of mmos in being persistant. To which I argue that perhaps there should be a new more apt definition.Edit: By the way I acknowledged in my original post 'by true mmorpg rules WoW has already won'. What I'm trying to do here is discuss and I bring up a valid point, to which I know there are arguments that would be able to perhaps assert Guild Wars doesn't deserve to fall under the term 'mmorpg' but your arguments are less than persuasive in my opinion and I have replied to that degree.
There are months worth of game left in Guild Wars once you hit twenty. Truthfully speaking, everything before that is more of a tutorial. Character progression does not end at 20, the player continues to accumilate experience, and with each experience threshold reached, recieves skill points which can be used to buy new skills. But to become truly competitive in pvp, one must delve into the deepest limits of the endgame pve content to unlock the most powerful of skills. Getting the right armor and weapons in this game is crucial as well, and again, can take months of gameplay, and quite alot of preplanning.
As for how long it takes to get to 60 in WoW, my personal record is 151 hours played, though admitedly I never really tried to get there as fast as possible. I personally know someone who has done it in 80 hours, and I've heard there was someone who managed it in just under 50. Overall, the easiest grind I've seen.
If you take on end-game development, WoW got a few months of work too. Lets say.. You want Thunderfury. Start working on it, go go go go go.
No argument here. All I'm saying is that there's alot more depth in gameplay in Guild Wars than is suggested by the level 20 cap.
edit: I miss my Tier 2....
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Right now you look pretty stupid being the only one claiming GW is an MMORPG, and yes I will say the same fact over and over again because even if I show thousand of fact you are too stubborn you will never understand. In fact I don't care if you think GW is an MMORPG, but you can stop screaming it everywhere. You sound like religeous ppl who knocks at everyone's door to tell them "God is reel, join us if you want to be save" they believe in it and I don't care, but when they come to my place, it's another story. So instead of trying to counter my fact with your opinion, get some fact to opose yourself to me.
At the end, everyone knows GW is a CORPG, so keep telling nice story to yourself and sleep well My Friend. You do not worth the time spent arguing with you, because to defend you point of you, you will attack not the fact but myself, this is too lame. I thought I could have a good fact challenge with but no.
Oh BTW, I forgot to mention. I have been playing GW since the launch, not since 3 weeks. That might disturb you, I am sorry.
PS: 1- I never called you NUUB, because I am not disrespectful.
2- Because you do not have any facts to prove your point you have to attack ppl directly by calling them name. You know these are just typed word, does not affect me realy.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
And your response to my counter is....the same shit you said the first three times. Copy and paste for the win.
I'm not the only one arguing that Guild Wars is an MMORPG, take the blinders off your eyes. As for "you will never understand", I understand, I disagree. Sorry you have a hard time stomaching the fact that someone might actually disagree with you.
Ah, I see, you don't care what I think, you would simply like to deny me the right to express my opinions.
First of all, you're the one who pursued this argument with me, so according to your analogy, you're the "religeous ppl", as you so quantly put it. Secondly, this isn't your place. If you don't like it, I recommend you piss off. Lastly, what a pathetic fucking argument. "You disagree with me, I will compare you to a religious fundamentalist!" Could you discredit yourself any more?
Well, since you've suddenly grown so fond of a scientific approach, allow me to respond in kind. This argument is not your "fact" against my "opinion", it is your interpretation of available data against my interpretation of available data. This is something I've clearly stated more than once, and something you are apparently unable to respond to. Our conversation looks something like this: 1) I state an opinion, 2) you counter my opinion with an interpretation of available data, 3) I counter your interpretation with an alternative interpretation, 4) having no counter to my alternative interpretation, you restate your own, effectively returning us to step 2. You are not seeking to come to conclusions by way of logical analysis and debate, you are simply trying to force your interpretation on me, disclaiming any interpretation other than your own as heresy. You know who else takes this approach in debates? Religous fundamentalists. Who's door-knocking now?
Slow down, your writing so furiously that I can hardly understand what the hell you're trying to say anymore. Butchering the Enlgish language is not called for, imo. As for the other points in this particular segment of your irrational flaming, I feel I've already addressed them above. I, unlike you, don't feel the need to repeat myself.
And why would that disturb me? Would it disturb you? If so, you're rather easily shaken.
Actually, you're quite direspectful, rude, and arrogant. I recommend you read over the things you've written before trying to bullshit your way to sainthood.
The "facts" thing I've already addressed. As for my having to "attack ppl directly", I don't have to, I just like to watch you squirm. I think its cute that after flaming me nonstop across two seperate threads, and calling me everything ranging from "stupid", "fool", to "religious ppl", you have the audacity to make this self-righteous statement. Pardon me for responding in kind to your bullshit. As the old saying goes, don't dish out what you can't take.
So in conclusion, keep pushing your dogmatic agenda while simultaniously butchering the English language, and I'll keep laughing at you.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Well I have nothing really to argue about because as soon as I saw you hate GW too-- well your my new best friend