Originally posted by Tactis um... both companies are horrible but I would choose EA just because I think what SOE did to SWG was wrong and EA hasn’t done that yet.
Originally posted by swimjoint92 I can never say that anyone is better game creator then Electronic Arts (EA). If you look at the games they have not only created on the PS2, X-box 360, but also on he computer, there is almost no comparison. With the merger EA has gone through, this will only help create greater games, possibly the best we have ever seen, but that is still all up to them and how they use there new asests.
That's nice. Don't forget to pick up your EA paycheck on the way out.
Originally posted by Tactis um... both companies are horrible but I would choose EA just because I think what SOE did to SWG was wrong and EA hasn’t done that yet.
Talk to players of: Auto Assault Earth & Beyond Multiplayer Battletech 3025
Oh wait... you can't... EA cancelled all those games. Within 2 years of releasing them (in the case of MPBT literally 1 week BEFORE it's projected release).
Then there's UO, which has gone through FAR more radical changes than SWG has.
Next is DAOC... they bought Mythic out... less than a month after that was announced Mark Jacobs, former CEO of Mythic is gone.... Wonder where THIS one is heading.
Yeah, SOE screwed up SWG but everyone keeps forgetting that LEC owns that game, not SOE. SOE just does their damndest to implement the changes LEC asks for by the deadline that LEC sets. Not saying that absolves SOE of any blame but if you compare SWG to any other SOE title you see: SWG: Crappy game that is poorly managed, has no direction and constantly changes direction verses: All other SOE games which have remained true to their vision, are generally pretty well managed and have, by and large, improved over time.
So is it really SOE's fault that SWG is where it is? Yah... partially... but not 100% Why ? Because if it were 100% their fault ALL of their titles would have these same problems. And they don't.
EA, however, has a proven track record of: 1) Releasing relatively bad MMO's 2) Cancelling their MMO's on very short notice 3) Cancelling popular MMO's literally weeks before they're slated for release, after hyping the hell out of them.
EA has cancelled no less than FIVE MMORPGs and has, arguably, destroyed one of the greatest MMO's of all time: UO (There are, literally, more people playing 'unnoficial' versions of UO than there are playing the real game)
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Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Tactis um... both companies are horrible but I would choose EA just because I think what SOE did to SWG was wrong and EA hasn’t done that yet.
Talk to players of: Auto Assault Earth & Beyond Multiplayer Battletech 3025
Oh wait... you can't... EA cancelled all those games. Within 2 years of releasing them (in the case of MPBT literally 1 week BEFORE it's projected release).
Then there's UO, which has gone through FAR more radical changes than SWG has.
Next is DAOC... they bought Mythic out... less than a month after that was announced Mark Jacobs, former CEO of Mythic is gone.... Wonder where THIS one is heading.
Yeah, SOE screwed up SWG but everyone keeps forgetting that LEC owns that game, not SOE. SOE just does their damndest to implement the changes LEC asks for by the deadline that LEC sets. Not saying that absolves SOE of any blame but if you compare SWG to any other SOE title you see: SWG: Crappy game that is poorly managed, has no direction and constantly changes direction verses: All other SOE games which have remained true to their vision, are generally pretty well managed and have, by and large, improved over time.
So is it really SOE's fault that SWG is where it is? Yah... partially... but not 100% Why ? Because if it were 100% their fault ALL of their titles would have these same problems. And they don't.
EA, however, has a proven track record of: 1) Releasing relatively bad MMO's 2) Cancelling their MMO's on very short notice 3) Cancelling popular MMO's literally weeks before they're slated for release, after hyping the hell out of them.
EA has cancelled no less than FIVE MMORPGs and has, arguably, destroyed one of the greatest MMO's of all time: UO (There are, literally, more people playing 'unnoficial' versions of UO than there are playing the real game)
Isn't Auto Assault done by NCSoft? Has it already been cancelled?
My posts related to SWG and to some extent EQ2 haven't been kind.
However, to people that played UO before EA put their hands directly into the cookie jar...
They ruined that game as much as SOE/LA ruined SWG.
They didn't as suggested shut down Auto Assault.. EA had I believe it was Motor City or close to that.
They cancelled UO2 (kinda made sense at the time) and later UXO. OSI (origin systems inc.) had actually been working on a Privateer online which was cancelled before it got far by EA. They shut down Earth and Beyond a game that easily had as much if not more (currently) than DAoC. (edit: the remark about Earth and Beyond compared to DAoC is about subscriber base).
Oh I figure making it so that someone like Richard Garriott say "I was literally run out of a company I co-founded" is a strike against you too.
I mean among others on UO you had:
Richard Garriott (starr long went with him sorry I forget how to spell his name exactly)
Raph Koster
Gordon Walton
and they all fled the sinking ship. There are others I didn't list.. they are all still in the gaming industry and some still work together. Yet its amazing the kind of talent that EA drove off of UO.
My biggest reason is this...
EA bought Mythic for Warhammer Online.
DAoC does not have enough of a player base to warrant that kind of investment.
However, if you as someone (this is an example) had never played DAoC. Then went to look at the game because the same company is making WAR.
What you would see on a daily basis going on, on the Gareth server would make you sick.
The amount of cheating and exploiting that is going on and not being dealt with. I can understand with the almost non existant world wide population that maybe they can't afford to ban people.
Its just something that can work out to a lot of negative word of mouth. I've had a lot of personal friends say they won't even buy WAR now. That's just my personal experience it doesn't mean its the same as yours.
I just personally don't believe that if you let people cheat to that extent in your current money farm... That you can honestly expect people to believe you'll deal with it in your next pvp game.
That's just my 2 copper again.. and what I see in that game and how I feel in general.
Don't forget what EA did to Ultima Online 2 and Ultimate X: Odyssey , both canceled and UXO could have honestly gave WoW a run for it's money and from all reports was extremely stable and playable in it's Alpha stage then some released MMORPGs. This from people that played it when it was showcased by EA and the UXO team, even allowing fans that were at the event to play. It was canceled in favor of put more support behind UO?! They canceled a great or possibly great mmorpg that wasn't even similar to UO as UXO was focused on adventuring and quest due to it being a follow up of the single player series of games (reason it was named Ultima 10 ala FF11 for example) where UO cleary is something else. All in favor of the horribl coded, poor graphic, crowded world game UO. What was released as a result the Samurai expansion and Modren(sp?) Legacy.
The Ultima series is just rotting in the hands of EA. I wish someone would but it from them, let them have UO, but just get the series from their hands.
Originally posted by Ulujain SOE...they can actually announce games, and then make them and release them to the public, not like EA who announce stuff, build 90% of it, hype the world up and then release it.
EA sucks - they need to sell Origin back to someone so we may see some innovation in gaming once more. "We Create Words"...and they weren't kidding.
Fixed, I added a release. EA make games 90% complete, then release them all full of nice nasty bugs and errors. They also seem to release games for "seasons" instead of "when its done". I can bitch and moan about Duke Nukem Forever being late on release for the past 10 years, but at least they didn't make 10 crappy duke nukem games in the process.
Actually, they did. Most of them for Nintendo. And one really crappy one Duke Nukem Manhattan Project for the PC.
Oh, and I choose SOE, if nothing else they have the track record of making some good games (and then ruining them), but they usually start well and stay really good for a while.
Originally posted by Nicod3mus Both their track records suck. Here are the highlights: EA - messes up every game they touch minus BF2 Sony - FFXI....what a joke EA should stay out of the arena all together and Sony should get in touch or get out.
Sony is not responsible for FFXI. Blame that on Square Enix.
I will come clean ahead of time and say that I have played SOE games more than all other games combined as a long time vet of EQ1 and a recent player of EQ2. I do feel bad for the SWG folks, but I don't really have a lot of complaints about SOE with regard to the games I play most. As I said recently, I did complain that EQ was getting "dumbed down", but I have changed my tune on that.
On the other hand, I don't like what happened to UO, and I was looking forward to UO2 and (as if I hadn't learned my lesson) UXO... so, not much of a fan of EA.
... This is where I draw the line: __________________.
had to go for Sony. 1. They keeps alll there crappy games. 2. you can pay 1 fee to play them all which will include Vanguard. I really enjoyed EQ2 and EQlive. They both had great expansions and keep tossing out content. Vanguard is going to look great.
Easily SOE. Even if all the problems with SWG were SOE’s fault, and Lucas Arts had no part in the decision to Ewok things up a little, they still wouldn’t be worse then the damage did to UO. Now consider that E&B subscribers were treated to things far worse then UO was ever subjected to.
EA has never made a successful MMO all they have done is buy them and damage tem beyond repair. SOE and it’s predecessor within Sony, on the other hand, has made some of the best and most successful MMO’s ever.
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QFE. I won't play a game by either.
That's nice. Don't forget to pick up your EA paycheck on the way out.
Chris Mattern
Heck, let's not forget the sequel to Ultima Online. Twice!
Chris Mattern
SOE. They are just the lesser of the two evils. It's at the point where I refuse to buy any EA game.
Auto Assault
Earth & Beyond
Multiplayer Battletech 3025
Oh wait... you can't... EA cancelled all those games. Within 2 years of releasing them (in the case of MPBT literally 1 week BEFORE it's projected release).
Then there's UO, which has gone through FAR more radical changes than SWG has.
Next is DAOC... they bought Mythic out... less than a month after that was announced Mark Jacobs, former CEO of Mythic is gone.... Wonder where THIS one is heading.
Yeah, SOE screwed up SWG but everyone keeps forgetting that LEC owns that game, not SOE. SOE just does their damndest to implement the changes LEC asks for by the deadline that LEC sets. Not saying that absolves SOE of any blame but if you compare SWG to any other SOE title you see: SWG: Crappy game that is poorly managed, has no direction and constantly changes direction verses: All other SOE games which have remained true to their vision, are generally pretty well managed and have, by and large, improved over time.
So is it really SOE's fault that SWG is where it is? Yah... partially... but not 100% Why ? Because if it were 100% their fault ALL of their titles would have these same problems. And they don't.
EA, however, has a proven track record of:
1) Releasing relatively bad MMO's
2) Cancelling their MMO's on very short notice
3) Cancelling popular MMO's literally weeks before they're slated for release, after hyping the hell out of them.
EA has cancelled no less than FIVE MMORPGs and has, arguably, destroyed one of the greatest MMO's of all time: UO (There are, literally, more people playing 'unnoficial' versions of UO than there are playing the real game)
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
Auto Assault
Earth & Beyond
Multiplayer Battletech 3025
Oh wait... you can't... EA cancelled all those games. Within 2 years of releasing them (in the case of MPBT literally 1 week BEFORE it's projected release).
Then there's UO, which has gone through FAR more radical changes than SWG has.
Next is DAOC... they bought Mythic out... less than a month after that was announced Mark Jacobs, former CEO of Mythic is gone.... Wonder where THIS one is heading.
Yeah, SOE screwed up SWG but everyone keeps forgetting that LEC owns that game, not SOE. SOE just does their damndest to implement the changes LEC asks for by the deadline that LEC sets. Not saying that absolves SOE of any blame but if you compare SWG to any other SOE title you see: SWG: Crappy game that is poorly managed, has no direction and constantly changes direction verses: All other SOE games which have remained true to their vision, are generally pretty well managed and have, by and large, improved over time.
So is it really SOE's fault that SWG is where it is? Yah... partially... but not 100% Why ? Because if it were 100% their fault ALL of their titles would have these same problems. And they don't.
EA, however, has a proven track record of:
1) Releasing relatively bad MMO's
2) Cancelling their MMO's on very short notice
3) Cancelling popular MMO's literally weeks before they're slated for release, after hyping the hell out of them.
EA has cancelled no less than FIVE MMORPGs and has, arguably, destroyed one of the greatest MMO's of all time: UO (There are, literally, more people playing 'unnoficial' versions of UO than there are playing the real game)
Isn't Auto Assault done by NCSoft? Has it already been cancelled?
I chose SOE.
My posts related to SWG and to some extent EQ2 haven't been kind.
However, to people that played UO before EA put their hands directly into the cookie jar...
They ruined that game as much as SOE/LA ruined SWG.
They didn't as suggested shut down Auto Assault.. EA had I believe it was Motor City or close to that.
They cancelled UO2 (kinda made sense at the time) and later UXO. OSI (origin systems inc.) had actually been working on a Privateer online which was cancelled before it got far by EA. They shut down Earth and Beyond a game that easily had as much if not more (currently) than DAoC. (edit: the remark about Earth and Beyond compared to DAoC is about subscriber base).
Oh I figure making it so that someone like Richard Garriott say "I was literally run out of a company I co-founded" is a strike against you too.
I mean among others on UO you had:
Richard Garriott (starr long went with him sorry I forget how to spell his name exactly)
Raph Koster
Gordon Walton
and they all fled the sinking ship. There are others I didn't list.. they are all still in the gaming industry and some still work together. Yet its amazing the kind of talent that EA drove off of UO.
My biggest reason is this...
EA bought Mythic for Warhammer Online.
DAoC does not have enough of a player base to warrant that kind of investment.
However, if you as someone (this is an example) had never played DAoC. Then went to look at the game because the same company is making WAR.
What you would see on a daily basis going on, on the Gareth server would make you sick.
The amount of cheating and exploiting that is going on and not being dealt with. I can understand with the almost non existant world wide population that maybe they can't afford to ban people.
Its just something that can work out to a lot of negative word of mouth. I've had a lot of personal friends say they won't even buy WAR now. That's just my personal experience it doesn't mean its the same as yours.
I just personally don't believe that if you let people cheat to that extent in your current money farm... That you can honestly expect people to believe you'll deal with it in your next pvp game.
That's just my 2 copper again.. and what I see in that game and how I feel in general.
It doesn't have to mesh with your experience.
Don't forget what EA did to Ultima Online 2 and Ultimate X: Odyssey , both canceled and UXO could have honestly gave WoW a run for it's money and from all reports was extremely stable and playable in it's Alpha stage then some released MMORPGs. This from people that played it when it was showcased by EA and the UXO team, even allowing fans that were at the event to play. It was canceled in favor of put more support behind UO?! They canceled a great or possibly great mmorpg that wasn't even similar to UO as UXO was focused on adventuring and quest due to it being a follow up of the single player series of games (reason it was named Ultima 10 ala FF11 for example) where UO cleary is something else.
All in favor of the horribl coded, poor graphic, crowded world game UO. What was released as a result the Samurai expansion and Modren(sp?) Legacy. 
The Ultima series is just rotting in the hands of EA. I wish someone would but it from them, let them have UO, but just get the series from their hands.
Actually, they did. Most of them for Nintendo. And one really crappy one Duke Nukem Manhattan Project for the PC.
Oh, and I choose SOE, if nothing else they have the track record of making some good games (and then ruining them), but they usually start well and stay really good for a while.
Both their track records suck. Here are the highlights:
EA - messes up every game they touch minus BF2
Sony - FFXI....what a joke
EA should stay out of the arena all together and Sony should get in touch or get out.
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Sony is not responsible for FFXI. Blame that on Square Enix.
I will come clean ahead of time and say that I have played SOE games more than all other games combined as a long time vet of EQ1 and a recent player of EQ2. I do feel bad for the SWG folks, but I don't really have a lot of complaints about SOE with regard to the games I play most. As I said recently, I did complain that EQ was getting "dumbed down", but I have changed my tune on that.
On the other hand, I don't like what happened to UO, and I was looking forward to UO2 and (as if I hadn't learned my lesson) UXO... so, not much of a fan of EA.
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This is where I draw the line: __________________.
had to go for Sony. 1. They keeps alll there crappy games. 2. you can pay 1 fee to play them all which will include Vanguard. I really enjoyed EQ2 and EQlive. They both had great expansions and keep tossing out content. Vanguard is going to look great.
EA needs to stick with there crap sports games
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Easily SOE. Even if all the problems with SWG were SOE’s fault, and Lucas Arts had no part in the decision to Ewok things up a little, they still wouldn’t be worse then the damage did to UO. Now consider that E&B subscribers were treated to things far worse then UO was ever subjected to.
EA has never made a successful MMO all they have done is buy them and damage tem beyond repair. SOE and it’s predecessor within Sony, on the other hand, has made some of the best and most successful MMO’s ever.