Originally posted by Gerec QFT. The games animations are being completely reworked at the moment for beta 3 and 4. The new diplomacy system is being unveiled, graphics are constantly being worked on and polished, and new gameplay ideas are being incorporated often. Have you seen the necromancer pet? That thing looks sweet. Not only does it look sweet, it's not some generic pet either. Furthermore, ALL you're seeing is Thestra. Theres been a few screenshots and maybe a bit of video of Kojan and Qalia, but 90% of the stuff they've put out has been in Thestra, and so you're seeing a lot of "generic" midieval europe stuff. Kojan and Qalia will have a completely different feel. All that said, I think the video could have been better.
Problem is that the gameplay is still the same dull hack and slash system, the crafting is almost a copy of EQ2. Dipliomacy is the crafting system, but applied to NPCs (click different icons to move a progress bar...YAY?)
GRAPHICS SHOULDNT BE THE REASON YOU BUY A GAME, THE REASON SHOULD BE GAMEPLAY
Only the most naive and inexperienced of people think a game is good or bad based on graphics.
All I could do was laugh out loud at the combat animations. To say I wasn't impressed would be an understatement.
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And to the above fanboy poster. It's true, gameplay is more important than graphics, but what happens when the graphics AND gameplay both suck equally?
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Originally posted by Gonodil Originally posted by Gerec QFT. The games animations are being completely reworked at the moment for beta 3 and 4. The new diplomacy system is being unveiled, graphics are constantly being worked on and polished, and new gameplay ideas are being incorporated often. Have you seen the necromancer pet? That thing looks sweet. Not only does it look sweet, it's not some generic pet either. Furthermore, ALL you're seeing is Thestra. Theres been a few screenshots and maybe a bit of video of Kojan and Qalia, but 90% of the stuff they've put out has been in Thestra, and so you're seeing a lot of "generic" midieval europe stuff. Kojan and Qalia will have a completely different feel. All that said, I think the video could have been better.
Problem is that the gameplay is still the same dull hack and slash system, the crafting is almost a copy of EQ2. Dipliomacy is the crafting system, but applied to NPCs (click different icons to move a progress bar...YAY?)
GRAPHICS SHOULDNT BE THE REASON YOU BUY A GAME, THE REASON SHOULD BE GAMEPLAY
Only the most naive and inexperienced of people think a game is good or bad based on graphics.
Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet.
Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No.
WOW that was the Shittiest video i have ever seen, it's taking them that long to produce that? that quality looked like something produced in the mid to late 90's. ewww that was just terrible. what a nice new $oe logo and animation it had tho lol i hope they have more instore for this one, because just about every game beats that, especially WoW's new expansion-good luck with that.
I'm not judging the game at all by that video, but by the information from their forums of which I am a member over there. There are elements to this game that I do not find fun, a few being corpse runs, and a focus on forced grouping and raiding, along with 20 minute travel times of which makes up for 1/4 of my total gaming time in the evening after work.
As for the video, the status quo is that a game will produce really cool movies that do not have actual in-game footage until after they get their graphics tweaked enough to give a good impression. If Vanguard plans on tweaking their graphics more, they should not have "unveiled" the in-game footage with examples of stiff animation.
Obviously, this conversation is going to degenerate quickly between the nay-sayers and the fan-bois. I'm somewhere in the middle. I think it will be a great game for some, and a sucky game for others. I just happen to be on the side that lives in "casual gamer" world because of RL career and family where spending 1/4 of my gaming time on travel, corpse runs, and waiting around for a raid to form an incredible waste of time when I could be questing immediately in another game.
Vanguard won't suck for everyone and it won't be a "bad game" for a lot of people. It will suck for people like me. This video, on the other hand, very poorly marketing choice on SOE's part to make in-game footage looks so poor.
I tend to not judge any game solely on graphics alone, however with a mmorpg my decision for buying the game is more heavily based on the graphics than usual (i.e. for chosing an offline game). This is because I will spend considerable amount of time watching it and I want something that's easy on the eye and has smooth animation. Also because mmorpgs tend to have a more sedate pace about them the scenery must be great to look at too.
Take a look at the top 10 mmorpgs on this site on the game list and if you have played any of them you will remember when the fantastic scenery (and atmosphere) in those games.
Originally posted by remyburke And to the above fanboy poster. It's true, gameplay is more important than graphics, but what happens when the graphics AND gameplay both suck equally?
maybe you should try READING my posts before calling me a fanboy? Stupid
Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet. Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No.
Your talk of the necro pet IS you promoting the game based on graphics.
What I've seen of the deplomacy system sucks, maybe they will redo it, but im not keeping my hopes up.
And if you arent bright enough to figure out why I'm talking about the game like I know it, that's not my fault.
I'm not judging the game at all by that video, but by the information from their forums of which I am a member over there. There are elements to this game that I do not find fun, a few being corpse runs, and a focus on forced grouping and raiding, along with 20 minute travel times of which makes up for 1/4 of my total gaming time in the evening after work.
As for the video, the status quo is that a game will produce really cool movies that do not have actual in-game footage until after they get their graphics tweaked enough to give a good impression. If Vanguard plans on tweaking their graphics more, they should not have "unveiled" the in-game footage with examples of stiff animation but instead should have waited to release a vid with in-game footage AFTER the tweaking.
Obviously, this conversation is going to degenerate quickly between the nay-sayers and the fan-bois. I'm somewhere in the middle. I think it will be a great game for some, and a sucky game for others. I just happen to be on the side that lives in "casual gamer" world because of RL career and family where spending 1/4 of my gaming time on travel, corpse runs, and waiting around for a raid to form is an incredible waste of time when I could be questing immediately in another game.
Vanguard won't suck for everyone and it won't be a "bad game" for a lot of people. It will suck for people like me. This video, on the other hand, very poorly marketing choice on SOE's part to make in-game footage looks so poor.
Use the same music for everything they do, it's boring make something new Graphics are generic World looks boring The animations suck The models of people an mobs look horrid The horses have the wrong clothes on them, too long. Looks crap tbh.
Yeah... this is pretty much what I've been thinking all along. (except for the Horse/wrong clothes thing... didn't notice that).
Quite frankly, the entire thing looks old and tired. Having said that, I really think that what is going to distinguish this game is going to be the gameplay. From what I've been reading about the game and the company behind it (no.. not SOE) they are very meticulous about game and story elements.
So for people who don't care about animations or graphics I can see them really getting into this.
I however will pass.
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Originally posted by Gonodil Originally posted by remyburke And to the above fanboy poster. It's true, gameplay is more important than graphics, but what happens when the graphics AND gameplay both suck equally?
maybe you should try READING my posts before calling me a fanboy? Stupid
You're right, I'm sorry about the fanboy comment. I read your post from the ALL CAPS part down. Given the nature of this thread, and starting to read where I did...you can see where I got the fanboy idea. At any rate, don't kid yourself...a game's graphics, in this day and age, mean just as much of the gameplay. People should demand both from their games.
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Originally posted by Gonodil Originally posted by Gerec
Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet. Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No.
Your talk of the necro pet IS you promoting the game based on graphics.
What I've seen of the deplomacy system sucks, maybe they will redo it, but im not keeping my hopes up.
And if you arent bright enough to figure out why I'm talking about the game like I know it, that's not my fault.
Well yes, of course the necro pet has graphics, but I was referring to the ability to customize it by collecting pieces for it, say an arm from a troll or something and slap it on. That's gameplay.
The diplomacy system is being reworked, and being unveiled soon for testing. The old system yes, the devs agreed that it was a bit boring. That's why they're redoing it. It's a new thing for MMO's.
And drop the insults. They aren't getting anyone anywhere.
You're right, I'm sorry about the fanboy comment. I read your post from the ALL CAPS part down. Given the nature of this thread, and starting to read where I did...you can see where I got the fanboy idea. At any rate, don't kid yourself...a game's graphics, in this day and age, mean just as much of the gameplay. People should demand both from their games.
Most cases graphics graphics cost a lot more than making good innovative gameplay...so when a company spends its budget on graphics, whats left over to make the game fun past the first day of playing?
That's what happened with Doom 3, it was graphics Graphics GRAPHICS all the way, and the gameplay was meh at best...this is the direction vanguard is heading in.
Gameplay is more important than graphics, which is why EQ still has a bigger subsciber base than EQ2.
Well yes, of course the necro pet has graphics, but I was referring to the ability to customize it by collecting pieces for it, say an arm from a troll or something and slap it on. That's gameplay.
The diplomacy system is being reworked, and being unveiled soon for testing. The old system yes, the devs agreed that it was a bit boring. That's why they're redoing it. It's a new thing for MMO's.
And drop the insults. They aren't getting anyone anywhere.
Might be different for you, but slapping different parts on a pet isnt exactly innovative for me. All it is, is a gimmick to me.
Listen, if they make the gameplay start going in a decent direction, I'll change my tune.
But I won't be going around hyping up a game that looks like its average AT BEST, just because some marketing folks say its gonna be good at some point.
I've seen too many games turn out like crap because the beta forums for the games were all a bunch of rabid fanboys that freaked out whenever someone critizied their precious little game, screaming "OMG, ITS BETA, JUST BETA, IT WILL ALL CHANGE IF YOU DONT SAY ANYTHING!!"
I'm a consumer, I like to think I'm part of that niche that Brad hopes to target with Vanguard, and I have the right to voice my disaproval with what appears from all angles to be a lack luster product.
If they want to ignore people like me who share the same opinion, then fine, they wont get our business...plenty of other companies want it just as badly.
Might be different for you, but slapping different parts on a pet isnt exactly innovative for me. All it is, is a gimmick to me.
Listen, if they make the gameplay start going in a decent direction, I'll change my tune.
But I won't be going around hyping up a game that looks like its average AT BEST, just because some marketing folks say its gonna be good at some point.
I've seen too many games turn out like crap because the beta forums for the games were all a bunch of rabid fanboys that freaked out whenever someone critizied their precious little game, screaming "OMG, ITS BETA, JUST BETA, IT WILL ALL CHANGE IF YOU DONT SAY ANYTHING!!"
I'm a consumer, I like to think I'm part of that niche that Brad hopes to target with Vanguard, and I have the right to voice my disaproval with what appears from all angles to be a lack luster product.
If they want to ignore people like me who share the same opinion, then fine, they wont get our business...plenty of other companies want it just as badly.
Well when I mentioned the necro pet, it wasn't as a shining example of innovation
Anyway, I'm not exactly a fanboi myself. I'm staff on the so far only Diplomacy related fansite for VG, but I remain healthily skeptical (and looking forward to AoC whether VG is good or not). Maybe its just a side effect of the official vg boards, but I just get tired of people judging games before they're out (not singling you out), based on the small amount of info available or graphics or something. VG isn't gonna be for everyone; Sigil has made that clear from the beginning. But we get a lot of... people who like to scream out about little problems with an obviously in-the-making game.
Anywho kind of rambling here but, I'm not personally expecting VG to be anything revolutionary and breaking new ground etc (except possibly in diplomacy). So I think right off the bat, a lot of people expect that and are disappointed to not see that everything is completely contradictory to the past 10 years of successful MMO games. So yeah, a lot of people are tired of the same old, but IMO we're on the verge of a new era of MMO games (and I personally think AoC is going to be one of the first steps in that direction), but VG is going to be, I'm hoping, the best of what there was before, if that makes any sense. The old school. And a lot of people are still enjoying the old school.
But of course, a lot of people are sick and tired of it, and that's mainly whose bashing the game. Its basically those who want something new and those who think the -unfinished- graphics suck. But theres still a large amount of people who aren't necessarily looking for the next cutting edge step of MMO possibility, who will I think enjoy VG. But all you see are the ones who have nothing better to do than wait for the next awesome thing to come out while wasting their time bashing a game they wouldn't play even if it was perfect for its target audience.
Anywho kind of rambling here but, I'm not personally expecting VG to be anything revolutionary and breaking new ground etc (except possibly in diplomacy). So I think right off the bat, a lot of people expect that and are disappointed to not see that everything is completely contradictory to the past 10 years of successful MMO games. So yeah, a lot of people are tired of the same old, but IMO we're on the verge of a new era of MMO games (and I personally think AoC is going to be one of the first steps in that direction), but VG is going to be, I'm hoping, the best of what there was before, if that makes any sense. The old school. And a lot of people are still enjoying the old school.
But of course, a lot of people are sick and tired of it, and that's mainly whose bashing the game. Its basically those who want something new and those who think the -unfinished- graphics suck. But theres still a large amount of people who aren't necessarily looking for the next cutting edge step of MMO possibility, who will I think enjoy VG. But all you see are the ones who have nothing better to do than wait for the next awesome thing to come out while wasting their time bashing a game they wouldn't play even if it was perfect for its target audience.
That was much longer than intended heh.
Well what would be the point then? If they are targeting people that want an EQ style game...but are sick of what SoE did to it....why go back to SoE again?
Thier target experience and their move back to SoE makes me wounder if many people will want to play vanguard at all? (I know I've lost interest ever since the move to SoE)
(And dont say SoE won't effect vanguard at all -- Even based on the rosy icture being painted by Sigil marketing, SoE will (at the least) be hosting the game and handling billing, ie, they will have sigil by the perverbial cojones)
(Also, who's to say that Brad wouldnt just sell the rights to Vanguard to SoE if the game doesnt end up working out the way he hoped?)
It was not a great video, but I am interested in Vanguard:SoH because of it's features and "vision", and my opinion won't change based on this video. I will be trying it out and then I will make a decision about whether I will play it or not, but telling from the features and overall style of the game, I think I will like it a lot.
I am nota fan of today's casual-friendly, easy for all, mmos that lack challenge and consequences for your failures in the game. Vanguard looks to be a return to good old fashioned games like EQ, and I am excited about that.
I see lots of comparison to EQ2 here, and that isn't a bad thing for me either, I love EQ2, although I will admit that I am getting tired of it because it lacks some of the more hardcore feature that Vanguard seems to have. SO I may be part of the minority here, but Vanguard is looking like it may be the mmorpg for me.
Well, it seems you all covered anything I would have said about this vide, Sigil and/or SOE. Anyone else out there looking into Chronicles of Spellborn?
Originally posted by Gonodil Im realy getting tired of big MMOs wasting their entire budget on graphics.Vanguard not only looks like EQ2 graphic wise, it also plays like EQ2, the crafting system is much like EQ2. It's basicly EQ2 if brad finished it up before selling it to SoE...but now he's working with SoE again, so it kinda makes the game pointless doesnt it? And you know, the rolling of the dice system was FINE for EQ, with what technology could do back then it was O.K. with me. BUT WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO PHOTO REALISTIC GRAPHICS AND MMOS ARE STILL USING TIRED OLD TECHNOLOGY UNDERNEATH THE GRAPHICSI want an MMO with Vanguard graphics + A Tale in the Desert crafting system + Roma victors location based damage system + Age of Conans dismemberment system. UNTIL A GAME LIKE THAT COMES OUT, IM NOT BUYING ANY MORE NEW MMO's. IM DONE. SICK OF THISREPACKAGINGCRAP
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Graphics aren't a huge thing to me. But still, the game just doesn't look like anything special. Maybe they're still planning on cleaning it up before release?
Either way, since it's acknowledged it will be just another giant grindfest'/raidfest, with extra timesinks for travel and such thrown in, I think I will be passing on it.
Iregardless of what Vanguard may or may not be, what they are revamping or going to implement later or even what was promised in the past, a teaser video is supposed to get you excited for a game and this one failed completely. I don't have an issue with the way things look but I have a big issue with the way things moved in that video. The animation was horrible.
Originally posted by WoodenDummy Hero's Journey for me I think.
Amen to that....and Fallen Earth.
Again...the graphics aren't bad. It's the animations that make me shake my head in disgust. I honestly thought the video was a joke the first time I watched it. I just can't understand for the life of me why they would show this video to the public.
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Problem is that the gameplay is still the same dull hack and slash system, the crafting is almost a copy of EQ2. Dipliomacy is the crafting system, but applied to NPCs (click different icons to move a progress bar...YAY?)
GRAPHICS SHOULDNT BE THE REASON YOU BUY A GAME, THE REASON SHOULD BE GAMEPLAY
Only the most naive and inexperienced of people think a game is good or bad based on graphics.
All I could do was laugh out loud at the combat animations. To say I wasn't impressed would be an understatement.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes "Set yourself free! (Just make sure you have a full group first)"
And to the above fanboy poster. It's true, gameplay is more important than graphics, but what happens when the graphics AND gameplay both suck equally?
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Problem is that the gameplay is still the same dull hack and slash system, the crafting is almost a copy of EQ2. Dipliomacy is the crafting system, but applied to NPCs (click different icons to move a progress bar...YAY?)
GRAPHICS SHOULDNT BE THE REASON YOU BUY A GAME, THE REASON SHOULD BE GAMEPLAY
Only the most naive and inexperienced of people think a game is good or bad based on graphics.
Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet.
Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No.
I'm not judging the game at all by that video, but by the information from their forums of which I am a member over there. There are elements to this game that I do not find fun, a few being corpse runs, and a focus on forced grouping and raiding, along with 20 minute travel times of which makes up for 1/4 of my total gaming time in the evening after work.
As for the video, the status quo is that a game will produce really cool movies that do not have actual in-game footage until after they get their graphics tweaked enough to give a good impression. If Vanguard plans on tweaking their graphics more, they should not have "unveiled" the in-game footage with examples of stiff animation.
Obviously, this conversation is going to degenerate quickly between the nay-sayers and the fan-bois. I'm somewhere in the middle. I think it will be a great game for some, and a sucky game for others. I just happen to be on the side that lives in "casual gamer" world because of RL career and family where spending 1/4 of my gaming time on travel, corpse runs, and waiting around for a raid to form an incredible waste of time when I could be questing immediately in another game.
Vanguard won't suck for everyone and it won't be a "bad game" for a lot of people. It will suck for people like me. This video, on the other hand, very poorly marketing choice on SOE's part to make in-game footage looks so poor.
I tend to not judge any game solely on graphics alone, however with a mmorpg my decision for buying the game is more heavily based on the graphics than usual (i.e. for chosing an offline game). This is because I will spend considerable amount of time watching it and I want something that's easy on the eye and has smooth animation. Also because mmorpgs tend to have a more sedate pace about them the scenery must be great to look at too.
Take a look at the top 10 mmorpgs on this site on the game list and if you have played any of them you will remember when the fantastic scenery (and atmosphere) in those games.
No annoying animated GIF here!
maybe you should try READING my posts before calling me a fanboy? Stupid
Your talk of the necro pet IS you promoting the game based on graphics.
What I've seen of the deplomacy system sucks, maybe they will redo it, but im not keeping my hopes up.
And if you arent bright enough to figure out why I'm talking about the game like I know it, that's not my fault.
I'm not judging the game at all by that video, but by the information from their forums of which I am a member over there. There are elements to this game that I do not find fun, a few being corpse runs, and a focus on forced grouping and raiding, along with 20 minute travel times of which makes up for 1/4 of my total gaming time in the evening after work.
As for the video, the status quo is that a game will produce really cool movies that do not have actual in-game footage until after they get their graphics tweaked enough to give a good impression. If Vanguard plans on tweaking their graphics more, they should not have "unveiled" the in-game footage with examples of stiff animation but instead should have waited to release a vid with in-game footage AFTER the tweaking.
Obviously, this conversation is going to degenerate quickly between the nay-sayers and the fan-bois. I'm somewhere in the middle. I think it will be a great game for some, and a sucky game for others. I just happen to be on the side that lives in "casual gamer" world because of RL career and family where spending 1/4 of my gaming time on travel, corpse runs, and waiting around for a raid to form is an incredible waste of time when I could be questing immediately in another game.
Vanguard won't suck for everyone and it won't be a "bad game" for a lot of people. It will suck for people like me. This video, on the other hand, very poorly marketing choice on SOE's part to make in-game footage looks so poor.
Quite frankly, the entire thing looks old and tired. Having said that, I really think that what is going to distinguish this game is going to be the gameplay. From what I've been reading about the game and the company behind it (no.. not SOE) they are very meticulous about game and story elements.
So for people who don't care about animations or graphics I can see them really getting into this.
I however will pass.
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maybe you should try READING my posts before calling me a fanboy? Stupid
You're right, I'm sorry about the fanboy comment. I read your post from the ALL CAPS part down. Given the nature of this thread, and starting to read where I did...you can see where I got the fanboy idea. At any rate, don't kid yourself...a game's graphics, in this day and age, mean just as much of the gameplay. People should demand both from their games.
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Your talk of the necro pet IS you promoting the game based on graphics.
What I've seen of the deplomacy system sucks, maybe they will redo it, but im not keeping my hopes up.
And if you arent bright enough to figure out why I'm talking about the game like I know it, that's not my fault.
Well yes, of course the necro pet has graphics, but I was referring to the ability to customize it by collecting pieces for it, say an arm from a troll or something and slap it on. That's gameplay.
The diplomacy system is being reworked, and being unveiled soon for testing. The old system yes, the devs agreed that it was a bit boring. That's why they're redoing it. It's a new thing for MMO's.
And drop the insults. They aren't getting anyone anywhere.
Most cases graphics graphics cost a lot more than making good innovative gameplay...so when a company spends its budget on graphics, whats left over to make the game fun past the first day of playing?
That's what happened with Doom 3, it was graphics Graphics GRAPHICS all the way, and the gameplay was meh at best...this is the direction vanguard is heading in.
Gameplay is more important than graphics, which is why EQ still has a bigger subsciber base than EQ2.
Might be different for you, but slapping different parts on a pet isnt exactly innovative for me. All it is, is a gimmick to me.
Listen, if they make the gameplay start going in a decent direction, I'll change my tune.
But I won't be going around hyping up a game that looks like its average AT BEST, just because some marketing folks say its gonna be good at some point.
I've seen too many games turn out like crap because the beta forums for the games were all a bunch of rabid fanboys that freaked out whenever someone critizied their precious little game, screaming "OMG, ITS BETA, JUST BETA, IT WILL ALL CHANGE IF YOU DONT SAY ANYTHING!!"
I'm a consumer, I like to think I'm part of that niche that Brad hopes to target with Vanguard, and I have the right to voice my disaproval with what appears from all angles to be a lack luster product.
If they want to ignore people like me who share the same opinion, then fine, they wont get our business...plenty of other companies want it just as badly.
Might be different for you, but slapping different parts on a pet isnt exactly innovative for me. All it is, is a gimmick to me.
Listen, if they make the gameplay start going in a decent direction, I'll change my tune.
But I won't be going around hyping up a game that looks like its average AT BEST, just because some marketing folks say its gonna be good at some point.
I've seen too many games turn out like crap because the beta forums for the games were all a bunch of rabid fanboys that freaked out whenever someone critizied their precious little game, screaming "OMG, ITS BETA, JUST BETA, IT WILL ALL CHANGE IF YOU DONT SAY ANYTHING!!"
I'm a consumer, I like to think I'm part of that niche that Brad hopes to target with Vanguard, and I have the right to voice my disaproval with what appears from all angles to be a lack luster product.
If they want to ignore people like me who share the same opinion, then fine, they wont get our business...plenty of other companies want it just as badly.
Well when I mentioned the necro pet, it wasn't as a shining example of innovation
Anyway, I'm not exactly a fanboi myself. I'm staff on the so far only Diplomacy related fansite for VG, but I remain healthily skeptical (and looking forward to AoC whether VG is good or not). Maybe its just a side effect of the official vg boards, but I just get tired of people judging games before they're out (not singling you out), based on the small amount of info available or graphics or something. VG isn't gonna be for everyone; Sigil has made that clear from the beginning. But we get a lot of...
Anywho kind of rambling here but, I'm not personally expecting VG to be anything revolutionary and breaking new ground etc (except possibly in diplomacy). So I think right off the bat, a lot of people expect that and are disappointed to not see that everything is completely contradictory to the past 10 years of successful MMO games. So yeah, a lot of people are tired of the same old, but IMO we're on the verge of a new era of MMO games (and I personally think AoC is going to be one of the first steps in that direction), but VG is going to be, I'm hoping, the best of what there was before, if that makes any sense. The old school. And a lot of people are still enjoying the old school.
But of course, a lot of people are sick and tired of it, and that's mainly whose bashing the game. Its basically those who want something new and those who think the -unfinished- graphics suck. But theres still a large amount of people who aren't necessarily looking for the next cutting edge step of MMO possibility, who will I think enjoy VG. But all you see are the ones who have nothing better to do than wait for the next awesome thing to come out while wasting their time bashing a game they wouldn't play even if it was perfect for its target audience.
That was much longer than intended heh.
Well what would be the point then? If they are targeting people that want an EQ style game...but are sick of what SoE did to it....why go back to SoE again?
Thier target experience and their move back to SoE makes me wounder if many people will want to play vanguard at all? (I know I've lost interest ever since the move to SoE)
(And dont say SoE won't effect vanguard at all -- Even based on the rosy icture being painted by Sigil marketing, SoE will (at the least) be hosting the game and handling billing, ie, they will have sigil by the perverbial cojones)
(Also, who's to say that Brad wouldnt just sell the rights to Vanguard to SoE if the game doesnt end up working out the way he hoped?)
It was not a great video, but I am interested in Vanguard:SoH because of it's features and "vision", and my opinion won't change based on this video. I will be trying it out and then I will make a decision about whether I will play it or not, but telling from the features and overall style of the game, I think I will like it a lot.
I am nota fan of today's casual-friendly, easy for all, mmos that lack challenge and consequences for your failures in the game. Vanguard looks to be a return to good old fashioned games like EQ, and I am excited about that.
I see lots of comparison to EQ2 here, and that isn't a bad thing for me either, I love EQ2, although I will admit that I am getting tired of it because it lacks some of the more hardcore feature that Vanguard seems to have. SO I may be part of the minority here, but Vanguard is looking like it may be the mmorpg for me.
-Naaz
Brad didn't sell EQ 1 to SOE, it was Sony's from inception.
- Scaris
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Graphics aren't a huge thing to me. But still, the game just doesn't look like anything special. Maybe they're still planning on cleaning it up before release?
Either way, since it's acknowledged it will be just another giant grindfest'/raidfest, with extra timesinks for travel and such thrown in, I think I will be passing on it.
Amen to that....and Fallen Earth.
Again...the graphics aren't bad. It's the animations that make me shake my head in disgust. I honestly thought the video was a joke the first time I watched it. I just can't understand for the life of me why they would show this video to the public.
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