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http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001365.php
Okay, everyone who has played the game would know who the "popular" races are, that's not interesting. But look at the very bottom of the page, the part about the average age of the player.
Hmmm, now isn't that interesting. I guess maturity isn't the direct correlation to age that some of you people thought it was.
Okay, everyone who has played the game would know who the "popular" races are, that's not interesting. But look at the very bottom of the page, the part about the average age of the player.
Hmmm, now isn't that interesting. I guess maturity isn't the direct correlation to age that some of you people thought it was.
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What it DOES say is that the average age of a game's population, doesn't really affect the overall maturity of the community. That just feels good to say.
The next question would be whether "immature, clueless children" who play WoW are more vocal on WoW chat and on internet sites than "immature, clueless adults" who play WoW. That may call for another survey.
This isn't just a random survey. One of the main purposes of this site are surveys like this.
It's been doing these surveys since EQ, and I'm sure they have secured measures to make sure the results are accurate. They're not amatuers is what I'm saying. Most of there data directly corresponds with that of warcraftrealms actually, which most people to consider to be at least somewhat accurate.
The honest fact of the matter is... being anonymous brings out the worst in people. I know several people who play WOW on a pvp server where I used to work and they're some of the nicest, most mature people you could hope to meet... on a personal basis... online they're compete moron retards and one has 3 kids who are almost old enough to play. They like to head into the newbie areas or lowbie areas and gank as many people as they can, because it happened to them when they started and its alot of fun to "gank the n00bz, lol"
Shadus
Yes, this is a good MISREPRESENTATION of the facts. If you do a bit more digging you'll see that Nick Yee took his figures from WarcraftRealms.com (as he mentions on that page you have linked here). So then, if you choose to go to WarcraftRealms.com yourself, then check under the Community heading and find "Poll Archive". Find the poll titled "How old are you?" The poll figures are shown below:
How old are you? 8660 total votes
18 - 25 4311 50%
26 - 30 1516 18%
13 - 17 1395 16%
31 - 40 1085 13%
41 - 50 211 2%
51 or over 84 1%
12 or under 58 1%
Here's the link for yourself: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/pollarchive.php
As you can see, this poll was taken from only 8660 votes, which is a FAR, FAR cry from the WoW subscriber base. What about the thousands upon thousands who did not participate, or did not even know about the existence of such a poll? Or those who knew about the poll and may have simply ignored it? Nomadian also mentioned that perhaps adults are more than likely to take the poll anyway.
Also, polls are never guaranteed accurate because there is nothing to police the people who participated in the poll to make sure that they gave an accurate response. Kids...who might like pretending they're older than they actually are...may have falsified their age. The same for goes for those who may be older than they want to admit. Some people may have just wanted to screw up the poll results no matter what. What this means is just that a poll is only one means of measurement of something, but this alone cannot be taken as Gospel....which is how you wanted to push off that website's information which you posted.
So no matter what the reason may be for someone's behavior in games, or on forums, or in life in general, the information from a single source (which you've shown) is not fact simply because it's on a website somewhere.
Still WoW is filled with inmature people.
First maturity isn't really directly related too age sins you still can be inmature at age 80 some people never grow up
Second mature people tend to have a RL and if they play there not playing as much as the inmature people.
The average age is just taken from all the accounts not counting anything else. It doesn't say anything about how much these people are playing. So if a inmature person plays for 8 hours a day and 4 mature players play for 1 hour a day there still be twice as much inmature people on the server. Going from that if the inmature one is age 12 and the mature ones are age 32 that would be ((4x32)+12)/5=ooh geuss what an average age of 28
WoW is a game filled with imature people peroid no qeustions about it. It's build to appeal to inmature people not to mature ones. For inmature people it's just a major part of there live, for mature people it's a fun game to get there mind of the problems in RL
Yes, this is a good MISREPRESENTATION of the facts. If you do a bit more digging you'll see that Nick Yee took his figures from WarcraftRealms.com (as he mentions on that page you have linked here). So then, if you choose to go to WarcraftRealms.com yourself, then check under the Community heading and find "Poll Archive". Find the poll titled "How old are you?" The poll figures are shown below:
How old are you? 8660 total votes
18 - 25 4311 50%
26 - 30 1516 18%
13 - 17 1395 16%
31 - 40 1085 13%
41 - 50 211 2%
51 or over 84 1%
12 or under 58 1%
Here's the link for yourself: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/pollarchive.php
As you can see, this poll was taken from only 8660 votes, which is a FAR, FAR cry from the WoW subscriber base. What about the thousands upon thousands who did not participate, or did not even know about the existence of such a poll? Or those who knew about the poll and may have simply ignored it? Nomadian also mentioned that perhaps adults are more than likely to take the poll anyway.
Also, polls are never guaranteed accurate because there is nothing to police the people who participated in the poll to make sure that they gave an accurate response. Kids...who might like pretending they're older than they actually are...may have falsified their age. The same for goes for those who may be older than they want to admit. Some people may have just wanted to screw up the poll results no matter what. What this means is just that a poll is only one means of measurement of something, but this alone cannot be taken as Gospel....which is how you wanted to push off that website's information which you posted.
So no matter what the reason may be for someone's behavior in games, or on forums, or in life in general, the information from a single source (which you've shown) is not fact simply because it's on a website somewhere.
If you want to blame somebody at least get your facts right. If you take these figures and even if you take the highest age to calculated the average you only get too an age 26. It's obvious these figures where NOT used for getting the average age used in the article.
The way he got his data for the ages he says is from his "survey-data"
Thats how the surveys are conducted.(also note the survey of WoW people only used 1000 ish on Nickyees site)
His only information from warcraftrealms if he did also use that in his analysis of ages would be that poll since warcraftrealms doesn't use real life data, just the choices of what class/race/side people have chosen to play. Also of note the poll was done in April 2005, he posted his article July 2005, so there is a chance it could have been used as well as his survey data.
But in all, I think that poll on warcraftrealms is probably the best picture of all surveys of the people that play WoW(in the West probably). Unfortunately its not completely accurate as the picture is only made up of people who visit warcraft realms, much like the picture of Nickyees surveys is only made up of people who filled out his surveys. So its not a completely accurate picture but its probably the largest survey done and therefore much more closer to the real average than a lot of surveys out there.
http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/data/wow_data/index.htmlJust found this, a very thorough parsing of WoW data, but doesn't include real life data just events ingame and that.
Maybe a bit less then.Average time to reach level 60, 16 days??
So 24 hours x 16=384 hours ish.
More fascinating facts!
Levels 1-20 average playtime in a week around 650 mins
Level 41-60 average playtime in a week around 1300 mins.
So 10 hours 1-20, and 20 hours 41-60.
Yes, this is a good MISREPRESENTATION of the facts. If you do a bit more digging you'll see that Nick Yee took his figures from WarcraftRealms.com (as he mentions on that page you have linked here). So then, if you choose to go to WarcraftRealms.com yourself, then check under the Community heading and find "Poll Archive". Find the poll titled "How old are you?" The poll figures are shown below:
How old are you? 8660 total votes
18 - 25 4311 50%
26 - 30 1516 18%
13 - 17 1395 16%
31 - 40 1085 13%
41 - 50 211 2%
51 or over 84 1%
12 or under 58 1%
Here's the link for yourself: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/pollarchive.php
As you can see, this poll was taken from only 8660 votes, which is a FAR, FAR cry from the WoW subscriber base. What about the thousands upon thousands who did not participate, or did not even know about the existence of such a poll? Or those who knew about the poll and may have simply ignored it? Nomadian also mentioned that perhaps adults are more than likely to take the poll anyway.
Also, polls are never guaranteed accurate because there is nothing to police the people who participated in the poll to make sure that they gave an accurate response. Kids...who might like pretending they're older than they actually are...may have falsified their age. The same for goes for those who may be older than they want to admit. Some people may have just wanted to screw up the poll results no matter what. What this means is just that a poll is only one means of measurement of something, but this alone cannot be taken as Gospel....which is how you wanted to push off that website's information which you posted.
So no matter what the reason may be for someone's behavior in games, or on forums, or in life in general, the information from a single source (which you've shown) is not fact simply because it's on a website somewhere.
If you want to blame somebody at least get your facts right. If you take these figures and even if you take the highest age to calculated the average you only get too an age 26. It's obvious these figures where NOT used for getting the average age used in the article.
Okay. Go to Warcraftrealms.com and find me WHERE is this survey which includes the players ages. Hm...can't find it? That's because the "survey" is a poll. What to do you think a survey is? It's questions being answered. Just because it's a single question, or that he doesn't specifically say it was from the pol,l is just a matter of semantics because it's still a survey. You're really picking at straws there buddy in trying to say the poll wasn't the survey. The information Rick Yee used was from both Warcraftrealms.com and from surveys on his own site.
Here, I'll help you out a bit by process of elimination: First go to Warcraftrealms.com and do a general search on the entire site for "age". This should hit every reference to the word "age" used on the site. Here's the link: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/search.php?search=age. Doesn't give you proof of a "survey"? Okay, well that's one thing eliminated. Next...
In regards to the Community section of Warcraftrealms.com there is a specific article in their forums regarding players ages: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1359&highlight=player+age but this is also subjective to who visits Warcraftrealms.com, and those who actually decide to post on their forums, and if they do post it's been at different times over a long period. Unless you specifically say "In a survey of those who have ever visited Warcraftrealms.com in their lifetime and took the time to post to the forums and mention their age, these are the results of that subjective survey", then your statement would be correct. But even then, you're trying to apply one small "survey" to the whole community. In addition, doing a search for "age" on thier forums will bring up the list of following articles: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/forum/search.php?mode=results and select "age" as the keyword , but this includes any mention of the word age, not just relative to a players age. So, there is no "survey" gleaned from the forums and now you won't have to spend any time looking there. Of course, remember...the Poll section is there (which I mentioned in my previous post as the only possible source of the "survey" info) but you say that it is not the "survey" information. Okay, so the Community section is now eliminated from the search for this elusive info. Two down. Next...
Lets look at Realm Data. Any census information is in regards to characters only. Taken specifically fromt their site, I quote: "This is a graphical display of data submitted from the Warcraft CensusPlus UI Mod. The collected World of Warcraft Census information gives a general view of server, faction and overall population trends. Only characters level 10 and up that have been seen in the past 30 days are included in this data. You can select/filter by race, class, level, server, faction and guild." So in this section there is no useage of players age either. Okay, so that eliminates the Realm Data category. Next...
What about the Graphs section? Well, none of those selections also mention a players age. Again quoting the site: "Data is collected using the latest version of the CensusPlus UI Mod." That means this section is eliminated from the search. Next...
The Mods section is also irrelevant. It only lists several mods, one of which the CensusPlus UI Mod has already been explained to only deal with character statistics. Next...
The Developers section only deals with information obtained through the use of these previously mentioned mods, so that eliminates the chance of finding any information regarding a players age in this section. Next...
The Drawings section applies only to random drawings for prizes, and as such will not have any player age references for "surveys". Next...
The Links section is self explanatory.Next...
The Language section is self explanatory. Next...
The Sponsors section is self explanatory. Next...hey wait, there is NO "next"...the entire site has been searched. Where is the "survey" you mention Nick Yee took his information from Warcraftrealms.com? Nowhere, except the poll which I mentioned in my previous post and which you claim is not the survey.
On Rick Yee's website is the only place he could have come up with his own figures by doing his own surveys. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001530.php quoting here "Thanks to all of you who help spread the word of this site and those who continue to participate in the surveys." The following link shows his exact figures for coming up with his information regarding his own surveys (not a very unbiased thing either, imo): http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001525.php
Anyway, the information is there for you to check out if you choose to look for it. On Nick Yee's site, in his own forum, somone addresses the issue quite clearly: The problem with analysing data like this is that it only comes from a biased sample i.e., the people willing to download a census/logging client. In other words, you're talking about people who are move "into" the game than perhaps your average player might be. Remember that WoW's strength as an MMORPG has always been it's market penetration, thanks to the massive publicity simply having the word "Warcraft" in the title gives it. The only people who have the numbers to be able to do a statistical analysis of WoW players are Blizzard, and they aren't talking :P
Now say I don't have all the facts.
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Thats how the surveys are conducted.(also note the survey of WoW people only used 1000 ish on Nickyees site)
His only information from warcraftrealms if he did also use that in his analysis of ages would be that poll since warcraftrealms doesn't use real life data, just the choices of what class/race/side people have chosen to play. Also of note the poll was done in April 2005, he posted his article July 2005, so there is a chance it could have been used as well as his survey data.
But in all, I think that poll on warcraftrealms is probably the best picture of all surveys of the people that play WoW(in the West probably). Unfortunately its not completely accurate as the picture is only made up of people who visit warcraft realms, much like the picture of Nickyees surveys is only made up of people who filled out his surveys. So its not a completely accurate picture but its probably the largest survey done and therefore much more closer to the real average than a lot of surveys out there.
So out of 7 million subscibers 2000-4000 people did these surveys.... Also, how many 13 year old kids are going to sit there and take a 15 minute quiz while they could be raiding or ganking n00bs? I'm sorry but IMO this poll is a huge misrepresentation of the truth.
Thats how the surveys are conducted.(also note the survey of WoW people only used 1000 ish on Nickyees site)
His only information from warcraftrealms if he did also use that in his analysis of ages would be that poll since warcraftrealms doesn't use real life data, just the choices of what class/race/side people have chosen to play. Also of note the poll was done in April 2005, he posted his article July 2005, so there is a chance it could have been used as well as his survey data.
But in all, I think that poll on warcraftrealms is probably the best picture of all surveys of the people that play WoW(in the West probably). Unfortunately its not completely accurate as the picture is only made up of people who visit warcraft realms, much like the picture of Nickyees surveys is only made up of people who filled out his surveys. So its not a completely accurate picture but its probably the largest survey done and therefore much more closer to the real average than a lot of surveys out there.
So out of 7 million subscibers 2000-4000 people did these surveys.... Also, how many 13 year old kids are going to sit there and take a 15 minute quiz while they could be raiding or ganking n00bs? I'm sorry but IMO this poll is a huge misrepresentation of the truth.
If you can see by reading what Nomadian said...he mentions that the poll on Warcraftrealms is PROBABLY the best picture of all the surveys, not that it was an entirely accurate representation. He even acknowledges this same fact by stating (in the same paragraph) that it's not completely accurate because it only mentions those who visit Warcraftrealms.com and filled out the survey. He also mentioned in a previous post how it's only adults who would be more inclined to fill out the survey...which is then essentially later paraphrased by yourself.
Maybe you shouldn't have blasted him like that without reading more into what he said instead, of just taking a few of his lines out of context. You and he are both on the same page here, as is everyone else who does not take the results of any poll seriously, not to mention any survey for that matter.