Actually, you might know what happens during an all male anal gangbang, but I don't...and still I know I wouldn't like it. By your argument, you'd have to try it first before casting judgement. Wow, gameloading, I think we just had a major breakthrough! Everyone give him a hand and wish him luck at the bottom of the pig pile.
I do know this, I will not take part in a game that lets you buy uber items with real world money IN GAME. That is the rub for me even the free games like hero online don't just let you buy the uber items from the in game system. Granted you can get some ok stuff but honestly nothing that I think is all that necessary. From what I've been hearing Archlord is gonna sell highly desired items which equates to this, player A works his ass off and finally gets the uber sword of owning or whatever it might be, player B spends a bunch of cash and gets the Uber sword the uber armor and whatever else he wants before having to do a damn thing. That to me equals a imbalance in the playing field that I personally will not be part of.
I don't need to try it because the writing is all over the wall the floor and everywhere else. Yes I know that you can buy stuff from outside parties in basically every game but... when the company starts selling the desired stuff not only does that mean players will buy it then turn around and sell the excess for big money which then causes inflation in the game economy but it equals a company trying to cash in beyond a monthly fee.
Spending 15 bucks a month on a game is one thing but having to spend 50 bucks a month(just a example) or more just to keep up with others and have a chance at the title of Archlord, which from what I've read is the whole goal of the game is ridiculous. Those who don't drain their bank account will never be able to hold the title because those that do will be trying to "outpay" each other to the top.
These comments are my opinion and only that but after playing 20 or so MMO's I can get a feel for how the game will pan out and this one has cash scam written all over it. The funny thing is some people will buy it and spend huge amounts of real money trying to climb to the top of a game that will eventually fail due to the system they've decided on.
Oh dude, gameloading has a brilliant argument for your post in the works. Something like, "STFU you haven't tried it. Codemasters is my precious, codemasters can do no wrong. Precious."
But before he starts dry humping Archlord and Codemasters I just wanted to say good post Trey. Don't let the fanboys negate your opinion.
Originally posted by Smirch Oh dude, gameloading has a brilliant argument for your post in the works. Something like, "STFU you haven't tried it. Codemasters is my precious, codemasters can do no wrong. Precious." But before he starts dry humping Archlord and Codemasters I just wanted to say good post Trey. Don't let the fanboys negate your opinion.
I think its funny thats comming from the same guy that compares payment for an mmorpg to anal sex.
but again, you don't know what your talking about. no info has been released. simple fact.
Originally posted by treysmooth I do know this, I will not take part in a game that lets you buy uber items with real world money IN GAME. That is the rub for me even the free games like hero online don't just let you buy the uber items from the in game system. Granted you can get some ok stuff but honestly nothing that I think is all that necessary. From what I've been hearing Archlord is gonna sell highly desired items which equates to this, player A works his ass off and finally gets the uber sword of owning or whatever it might be, player B spends a bunch of cash and gets the Uber sword the uber armor and whatever else he wants before having to do a damn thing. That to me equals a imbalance in the playing field that I personally will not be part of.
Peace
You misunderstood the new payment system. you will not be able to buy "ubar items". Archlord also won't sell "highly desired items".
Archlord will sell non-stackable temporary items, and some equipment . with the new payment system. thats all. all good items will still be need to found inside the game. don't mix up PlayPLUS with cashops or Ebay.
I have lvled every single class above 20 in both the Korean and Chinese betas. I would bet that I know a little more than you do about the game and it's mechanics in general.
Originally posted by Nicod3mus I have lvled every single class above 20 in both the Korean and Chinese betas. I would bet that I know a little more than you do about the game and it's mechanics in general.
Having direct contact with Codemasters, I doubt it. not to mention I too played the Archlord korean game.
Originally posted by Gameloading I think its funny thats comming from the same guy that compares payment for an mmorpg to anal sex.
but again, you don't know what your talking about. no info has been released. simple fact.
Whats funny is that I'm actually replying to a mental deficient such as your self that plays Trickster and RF Online. "Comming" from those games I'd say your opinion on what makes a good game holds as much water as a sieve.
The direct contact with Codemasters that you speak about wouldn't happen to be Ass to Mouth would it?
So, are you actually still going to give a decent reply or are you just going to flame/troll around? because if you do, then it would be better to stop posting in this thread. either that, OR add something useful to this discussion.
Gameloading kinda helps my argument even though he is trying to do the opposite. You can buy stackable items(keeps you from having to farm) which is less a concern and equipment. What is equipment, stuff you normally have to earn. If they were selling junk or basic stuff they wouldn't make money because as we all know normal stuff drops all the time in mmo's, so why would you pay cash for something that you can simply kill a few mobs for or buy from a in game vender with game money.
I have a feeling that "equipment" your mentioning is just what I worry about, stuff that is highly desireable in game, which in most games translates to harder to get than simply killing some mobs or finishing a basic quest.
I stand by my points, read the post and think about what this system is setup to do. The economy will suffer mega inflation, and the people with the real cash will battle with each other to try to be the arch lord. Codemasters will periodically release "new and better" items in the program that can be purchased and the ugly cycle continues.
Honestly your free to hold any opinion you want, I won't be angry nor threatened by your post but saying that you have inside info is kinda silly. I was looking over the article released by the developers and from that I kinda have a feel for what the system boils down to. From that system I drew my conclusions feeling that I made a valid argument. Only those that feel less than secure in there position get upset and irrational with their post my friend, and that is why I say consider my statements, think about them and dismiss them if you like. Time will tell if the system plays out like I see it playing out and if your one of those suckered into spending a large sum of money in your pursuit of archlord enjoy.
C'mon Gameloading, you didn't just say you are in direct contact with Codemasters did you? Man it's one thing to debate on the forums but when you say things like that it just makes you look silly.
BTW I still think there's going to be a HUGE advantage to the people who pay the $40 a month.. if there wasn't no one would pay that. It's just common sense.
Originally posted by BuZZKilgore C'mon Gameloading, you didn't just say you are in direct contact with Codemasters did you? Man it's one thing to debate on the forums but when you say things like that it just makes you look silly. BTW I still think there's going to be a HUGE advantage to the people who pay the $40 a month.. if there wasn't no one would pay that. It's just common sense.
Looks like another Asian MMO haven't we got enough of this siege things already in Lineage?
Didn't see any crafting being mentioned...so I guess equip upgrades is Shop/Drop only?
Payplus sounds broken. since I don't really have much money to invest in these, I wouldn't even be able to compete. Game for rich players IMO. Codemasters pushing the right buttons probably.
Originally posted by wjrasmussen Originally posted by Beatnik59 The game has an audience in mind, which is, the hardcore achiever/killer segment. The same segment that is the most vocal about what they want, and the most ambitious to do it. Whether they come out or not remains to be seen. This game gives them the exact things they lobby for in the MMORPG forums here and in every other game. If they are truly honest with us and say that this type of hardcore PvP and raiding experience is what they are after, the game should do well. However, I don't think the twinking hardcore raiders here are being honest with us. I don't think they want to compete against other hardcores in a hardcore game like Archlord. If EVE is any experience, the hardcore heavies want to compete against amatures, roleplayers, and other "gimped players," which are the very people that will stay away from Archlord. That being said, I agree with the problems with the tiered pricing from a philisophical standpoint, but from a marketing standpoint its brilliant. There are high stakes rewards here, and high stakes competition that will just pay the higher fee because of their guild's ambition to be the Archlord. It will be interesting to see how this game does.
You might be very correct on that. They want to kill sheep and not other quality pvpers. This should be a good game to push at all those people who want a hardcore pvp game and if it is pushed very hard and often, then we can see if they really head over to that game or not...
No, there are two types that fit in the general group you are talking about. There are duelers(note: duelers aren't necessarily all about 1v1 or fair fights) and there are dominators. The duelers want to fight(even sub-par opponenets) and want to win good fights, dominators want to dominate and feel powerful. There is some crossover but the duelers are generally contemptuous of the dominators to some degree.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Smirch
Originally posted by Gameloading I think its funny thats comming from the same guy that compares payment for an mmorpg to anal sex.
but again, you don't know what your talking about. no info has been released. simple fact.
Whats funny is that I'm actually replying to a mental deficient such as your self that plays Trickster and RF Online. "Comming" from those games I'd say your opinion on what makes a good game holds as much water as a sieve.
The direct contact with Codemasters that you speak about wouldn't happen to be Ass to Mouth would it?
So, are you actually still going to give a decent reply or are you just going to flame/troll around? because if you do, then it would be better to stop posting in this thread. either that, OR add something useful to this discussion.
lmao, that is classic coming from someone who has contact with Codemasters (by that I mean other then just forums). just classic. sort of like me telling you to actually answer threads with facts instead of "oh, it just is, go play it if you don't believe me". whatever.
anywho... back to the topic at hand. this game sounds pretty interesting. i like that 4 bodyguards for the current archlord thing. wonder how powerful they'll be? are they more of a prestige thing, or do they actually kick a lot of butt?
the below i find very interesting....
Dae Hwan Kim:Many elements of ArchLord are based around principles of solo play, this includes the crafting skills and many quests. In fact almost 80% of ArchLord is solo play. The rest is made of group play in the form of quests, raid bosses and guild related adventures.
80% of it you can solo (mas ou minos) but what about this group stuff? we talking eq-clone raiding?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Originally posted by treysmooth I do know this, I will not take part in a game that lets you buy uber items with real world money IN GAME. That is the rub for me even the free games like hero online don't just let you buy the uber items from the in game system. Granted you can get some ok stuff but honestly nothing that I think is all that necessary. From what I've been hearing Archlord is gonna sell highly desired items which equates to this, player A works his ass off and finally gets the uber sword of owning or whatever it might be, player B spends a bunch of cash and gets the Uber sword the uber armor and whatever else he wants before having to do a damn thing. That to me equals a imbalance in the playing field that I personally will not be part of.
I don't need to try it because the writing is all over the wall the floor and everywhere else. Yes I know that you can buy stuff from outside parties in basically every game but... when the company starts selling the desired stuff not only does that mean players will buy it then turn around and sell the excess for big money which then causes inflation in the game economy but it equals a company trying to cash in beyond a monthly fee.
Spending 15 bucks a month on a game is one thing but having to spend 50 bucks a month(just a example) or more just to keep up with others and have a chance at the title of Archlord, which from what I've read is the whole goal of the game is ridiculous. Those who don't drain their bank account will never be able to hold the title because those that do will be trying to "outpay" each other to the top.
These comments are my opinion and only that but after playing 20 or so MMO's I can get a feel for how the game will pan out and this one has cash scam written all over it. The funny thing is some people will buy it and spend huge amounts of real money trying to climb to the top of a game that will eventually fail due to the system they've decided on.
Just my two cents
Peace
i don't like paying $15/month for a game, especially since the wife also plays and we might play more than one game each. ya know though... if they're going to sell items ingame... does that mean that the players will get no heat from selling items on ebay? i mean, if they're opening the door, then why can't we walk thru it, level up and sell tons of low-mid level goodies on ebay? if i can do that, and there's actually a market for it, thusly i could play for free... this game MIGHT be worth a second look.
otherwise, i totally agree that selling items ingame for real world money is insane. i don't care if it's wussy heal potions -- play the game, don't sit there and buy your way thru it!
who cares how it's actually implemented... even if it's only the very worst weapons/armors in the game (which it won't be), i still say it's a horrible idea.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by Smirch
Originally posted by Gameloading I think its funny thats comming from the same guy that compares payment for an mmorpg to anal sex.
but again, you don't know what your talking about. no info has been released. simple fact.
Whats funny is that I'm actually replying to a mental deficient such as your self that plays Trickster and RF Online. "Comming" from those games I'd say your opinion on what makes a good game holds as much water as a sieve.
The direct contact with Codemasters that you speak about wouldn't happen to be Ass to Mouth would it?
So, are you actually still going to give a decent reply or are you just going to flame/troll around? because if you do, then it would be better to stop posting in this thread. either that, OR add something useful to this discussion.
lmao, that is classic coming from someone who has contact with Codemasters (by that I mean other then just forums). just classic. sort of like me telling you to actually answer threads with facts instead of "oh, it just is, go play it if you don't believe me". whatever.
yes, because its silly to believe facts are actually found in the game. isn't it, Damian? Its silly to first play the game before you make statements, eh Damian?
are you going to continue to bash and flame me in this thread now? pretty sad.
ok, since i doubt i'm going to get an answer from the guy "that has contact with the codemasters outside of the forums"... does anyone know what it is that forum link is supposed to be showing us?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
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I don't need to try it because the writing is all over the wall the floor and everywhere else. Yes I know that you can buy stuff from outside parties in basically every game but... when the company starts selling the desired stuff not only does that mean players will buy it then turn around and sell the excess for big money which then causes inflation in the game economy but it equals a company trying to cash in beyond a monthly fee.
Spending 15 bucks a month on a game is one thing but having to spend 50 bucks a month(just a example) or more just to keep up with others and have a chance at the title of Archlord, which from what I've read is the whole goal of the game is ridiculous. Those who don't drain their bank account will never be able to hold the title because those that do will be trying to "outpay" each other to the top.
These comments are my opinion and only that but after playing 20 or so MMO's I can get a feel for how the game will pan out and this one has cash scam written all over it. The funny thing is some people will buy it and spend huge amounts of real money trying to climb to the top of a game that will eventually fail due to the system they've decided on.
Just my two cents
Peace
Oh dude, gameloading has a brilliant argument for your post in the works. Something like, "STFU you haven't tried it. Codemasters is my precious, codemasters can do no wrong. Precious."
But before he starts dry humping Archlord and Codemasters I just wanted to say good post Trey. Don't let the fanboys negate your opinion.
but again, you don't know what your talking about. no info has been released. simple fact.
Archlord will sell non-stackable temporary items, and some equipment . with the new payment system. thats all.
all good items will still be need to found inside the game. don't mix up PlayPLUS with cashops or Ebay.
http://codmw3.me
http://codmw3.me
Whats funny is that I'm actually replying to a mental deficient such as your self that plays Trickster and RF Online. "Comming" from those games I'd say your opinion on what makes a good game holds as much water as a sieve.
The direct contact with Codemasters that you speak about wouldn't happen to be Ass to Mouth would it?
So, are you actually still going to give a decent reply or are you just going to flame/troll around? because if you do, then it would be better to stop posting in this thread. either that, OR add something useful to this discussion.
I think several people have brought up worthwhile concerns only to be frowned upon by monosyllabic tards like yourself with lame copy + paste replies.
I could flame you all day, GL, and not get tired of it or run out of source material, but duty calls so I must exit. Was fun Corky.
well then, I'm proud to be a tard then
it looks ok i like most of the features mainly no healers, open pvp
but what exactly is the point of open pking and bounty hunters if you dont lose severe exp from death?
for that reason and the pay system i wont be trying it..
I have a feeling that "equipment" your mentioning is just what I worry about, stuff that is highly desireable in game, which in most games translates to harder to get than simply killing some mobs or finishing a basic quest.
I stand by my points, read the post and think about what this system is setup to do. The economy will suffer mega inflation, and the people with the real cash will battle with each other to try to be the arch lord. Codemasters will periodically release "new and better" items in the program that can be purchased and the ugly cycle continues.
Honestly your free to hold any opinion you want, I won't be angry nor threatened by your post but saying that you have inside info is kinda silly. I was looking over the article released by the developers and from that I kinda have a feel for what the system boils down to. From that system I drew my conclusions feeling that I made a valid argument. Only those that feel less than secure in there position get upset and irrational with their post my friend, and that is why I say consider my statements, think about them and dismiss them if you like. Time will tell if the system plays out like I see it playing out and if your one of those suckered into spending a large sum of money in your pursuit of archlord enjoy.
Peace
C'mon Gameloading, you didn't just say you are in direct contact with Codemasters did you? Man it's one thing to debate on the forums but when you say things like that it just makes you look silly.
BTW I still think there's going to be a HUGE advantage to the people who pay the $40 a month.. if there wasn't no one would pay that. It's just common sense.
and why so? I do have contact with codemasters.
I'm sure this will clear it up:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/member.php?userid=1933380
my Codemasters profile.
(or you can look here, in case you don't want to sign up:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101490&page=1&pp=10 )
Looks like another Asian MMO haven't we got enough of this siege things already in Lineage?
Didn't see any crafting being mentioned...so I guess equip upgrades is Shop/Drop only?
Payplus sounds broken. since I don't really have much money to invest in these, I wouldn't even be able to compete. Game for rich players IMO. Codemasters pushing the right buttons probably.
No, there are two types that fit in the general group you are talking about. There are duelers(note: duelers aren't necessarily all about 1v1 or fair fights) and there are dominators. The duelers want to fight(even sub-par opponenets) and want to win good fights, dominators want to dominate and feel powerful. There is some crossover but the duelers are generally contemptuous of the dominators to some degree.
Whats funny is that I'm actually replying to a mental deficient such as your self that plays Trickster and RF Online. "Comming" from those games I'd say your opinion on what makes a good game holds as much water as a sieve.
The direct contact with Codemasters that you speak about wouldn't happen to be Ass to Mouth would it?
So, are you actually still going to give a decent reply or are you just going to flame/troll around? because if you do, then it would be better to stop posting in this thread. either that, OR add something useful to this discussion.
lmao, that is classic coming from someone who has contact with Codemasters (by that
I mean other then just forums). just classic. sort of like me telling you to actually answer threads with facts instead of "oh, it just is, go play it if you don't believe me". whatever.
anywho... back to the topic at hand. this game sounds pretty interesting. i like that 4 bodyguards for the current archlord thing. wonder how powerful they'll be? are they more of a prestige thing, or do they actually kick a lot of butt?
the below i find very interesting....
Dae Hwan Kim:Many
elements of ArchLord are based around principles of solo play, this
includes the crafting skills and many quests. In fact almost 80% of ArchLord is solo play. The rest is made of group play in the form of quests, raid bosses and guild related adventures.
80% of it you can solo (mas ou minos) but what about this group stuff? we talking eq-clone raiding?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
otherwise, i totally agree that selling items ingame for real world money is insane. i don't care if it's wussy heal potions -- play the game, don't sit there and buy your way thru it!
who cares how it's actually implemented... even if it's only the very worst weapons/armors in the game (which it won't be), i still say it's a horrible idea.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
and why so? I do have contact with codemasters.
I'm sure this will clear it up:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/member.php?userid=1933380
my Codemasters profile.
(or you can look here, in case you don't want to sign up:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101490&page=1&pp=10 )
um, what are we looking for on that forum thread?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Whats funny is that I'm actually replying to a mental deficient such as your self that plays Trickster and RF Online. "Comming" from those games I'd say your opinion on what makes a good game holds as much water as a sieve.
The direct contact with Codemasters that you speak about wouldn't happen to be Ass to Mouth would it?
So, are you actually still going to give a decent reply or are you just going to flame/troll around? because if you do, then it would be better to stop posting in this thread. either that, OR add something useful to this discussion.
lmao, that is classic coming from someone who has contact with Codemasters (by that
I mean other then just forums). just classic. sort of like me telling you to actually answer threads with facts instead of "oh, it just is, go play it if you don't believe me". whatever.
yes, because its silly to believe facts are actually found in the game. isn't it, Damian?
Its silly to first play the game before you make statements, eh Damian?
are you going to continue to bash and flame me in this thread now? pretty sad.
and why so? I do have contact with codemasters.
I'm sure this will clear it up:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/member.php?userid=1933380
my Codemasters profile.
(or you can look here, in case you don't want to sign up:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101490&page=1&pp=10 )
um, what are we looking for on that forum thread?
ok, since i doubt i'm going to get an answer from the guy "that has contact with the codemasters outside of the forums"... does anyone know what it is that forum link is supposed to be showing us?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?