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A lot of deceit... which of course cost nothing....
You guys really believe that this unknown company will EVER be able to realise such a huge game, with all these features? 5 years are not enough to persuade you for a dropout project?
May I ask please: Who is Aventurine and why isn't it advertised on the Darkfall site? I did a little searching in Google and I found nothing in regard with Aventurine. Does it even exists as an entity? What are it's funds? (remember, we are talking of a company that makes no real profit the last 5 years) How many are it's co-workers? (so far I only see one man: Tassos Flambouras)
May I ask please: Who is Aventurine and why isn't it advertised on the Darkfall site? I did a little searching in Google and I found nothing in regard with Aventurine. Does it even exists as an entity? What are it's funds? (remember, we are talking of a company that makes no real profit the last 5 years) How many are it's co-workers? (so far I only see one man: Tassos Flambouras)
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Keep on trolling, Throne of Chaos fanboi/dev.
I CREATED MYSELF!
"<Claus|Dev> i r pk"
SW:TOR|War40K:DMO|GW2
On the other hand, let off the flybait and prove me I'm wrong
http://www.razorwax.com/
They are also producing Darkfall. Time to do some proper research before making wild assumptions,OP.
Oh wait .... http://www.razorwax.com/webcam/ rofl tell them to change background screens... it seemed they forgot to do it the last 3 years
Other than that, who is Razorwax? What's it's size? It's funds? doh... anyway you really want to believe in myths. Not my problem
what does it really matter what you know or dont know about this company? They, or whoever is funding this project, certainly seem to have not only the money to spend but also enough fate/trust that devs deliver as promised. That is maybe the biggest reason why i believe that DF will come out some day. Like you said, its already 5 years and counting and the devs dont seem to be in any hurry.
Besides, there are plenty of examples that, a well known company !=quality game
And because everyone in the net can claim everything without expense.
And because if you really have such a winner in your hands you advertise it. You don't hide in the dark.
To my eyes it's just a project that went poof in 2003, never being able to produce anything. Him/They who are left behind have their own reasons to keep the project alive, but I won't trust them until I see beta invitations.
Nice still pictures and just one video of rolling landscapes persuade you there is a game out there so phenomenal as he claims?
It seems that they have a solid funding to develop this game but not enough dough to advertize it. And why should they? Df is not even in open beta yet and still they have over 30k people registered to official forums.
So before you start making conspiracy theories, at least come up with a good reason why would they do such a thing? Because at this point theyre not making much money as far as i know.
If DF indeed was a scam, wouldnt they advertise it like no tomorrow?
Did you watch the whole video, it has characters, combat, magic and riding around on mounts. And I find that it seems very legitimate that they have screenshots in game, without flashy looking prerenders. Just screens that look like how a game of its calibre should.
Most mmo's don't advertise until a beta stage, because it leaves the public dissapointed when they get all excited at screenshots and then realize that the game doesn't even have a set date that anyone can play it by.
There is more than one person in Adventurine.
Why would a project that was cancelled in 2003 have a whole set of new screens, that show massive graphical improvement both from 2003 and in the period of time between then and now.
All I can tell is, that from what I see here the whole thing looks very suspicious. And I can't rely in screens nor videos when I see suspicious lack of information for such a huge project.
Of course this is what I believe. And I might be wrong. Only way to prove it is by evidence. W3 came and gone. Rumours about participating there, but instead it's only more interviews and no actual screenshots of the event. Neither there is any participant there, listed under the name aventurine... so... It's either more time to wait or...
Nah,he's not one of them. He posts counter-arguments (take note timber,lysanding,Kidwicked) and hasn't mentioned ToC or DnL. Makes a nice change.
Well ddev,we have to assume that whatever is funding Adventurine/Razorwax (I think it'd be quite natural for them NOT to disclose too much information on their website. If they provide any e-mail/contact phone,feel free to use them) is receiving,it's sufficient to have continued this project for at least 3 years of THIS Darkfall version in-progress. They haven't given up,they haven't quieted away,they continue to impress and show.
And yes ddev,for those who followed since 2001,2003,2005 or even (like myself) joining this year all we have is the updates they give us each week (of which they seem plenty so far),and some faith that it'll turn out OK. Let's hope it does.
However for the sake of clarity and professionalism, they are obliged to present a company of some sort with details, instead of impersonating schemes that have seized to exist years before. Neither Razorwax nor Aventurine exist in the Greek market of today.
Believing in something that WILL eventually get published, which WILL be the best mmorpg of all is what just wishful thinking. By then I will become mr.Gates in place of Bill Gates
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.aventurine.gr/
http://www.aventurine.gr/
Wtf the same troll again? Notice how he keeps making new accounts going on and on about TOC like an idiot and at the same time talking shit about DF. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it's one of the ToC devs - they have done stuff like this before.
Give it up you idiot, no one is gonna buy your shitty game, and trying to seed doubt about DF is not working out too good either, you think?
Khael[SUN]
SUN - peekayin since pong
Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
And no, I don't know this thing.
How is DF a scam you imbecile?
I realize you and the other guys here flaming DF here are probably just trolls, trying to promomte ToC... but just in case you are really as dumb as you appear to be, I will list some facts that I would like you to address.
1) Some of us know the devs personally having played with them in earlier games, and were informed when the 3-4 original norwegian guys started out developing back in 2001. We get regular updates when we talk to them.
2) We had guys from the community (deyth from Combine) visiting their offices in Greece reporting back that it's looking good.
3) They have attended several game conventions with lots of pictures.
4) We have gotten regular updates the last 5 years - slowed down abit from 2003 - 2005 but none the less.
5) They have been featured on the most prominent mmorpg and gaming sites many times - like ign, warcry, mmorpg.com etc.
6) 3 movies have been released at least, showing some of the fast paced pvp we can expect, etc.
7) They have already had guild sign up's preparing for beta.
8) Unlike ToC/Mourning that you guys promote, they have not scammed their users making them pay for beta, or making them pay for cd's they had burned themselves with beta clients on them. And the game server can hold 10k people, not 20-50 people like Mourning/ToC...
How does all this fit into your conspiracy theory?
Khael[SUN]
SUN - peekayin since pong
Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
You did ok until you started calling DF a 'scam'. Stupid idea mate,your credibility no longer exists. Lock this post please.
Only thing i can come up with, as a good answer is that if they indeed somehow work in military industry. Those companies tend to keep things hidden.
But calling DF a scam is farfetched and doesnt really hold ground, unless someone can come up with an answer how could they possibly gain anything from it? Its a project where the funders pay the bills in hope they get their moneys worth. Certainly there are better ways to make a scam than drawing pictures and making false videos for 5 years, yet gain nothing so far?
So basicly you haven't got the first clue because you haven't even checked out their site. You can start by visiting their website, here we go: http://www.darkfallonline.com and click news - here you can read about the gaming conventions etc. Also read the site for any other information you seem to lack.
So let me get this right.... You think the gameplay movie is a fake movie right? And you think that the guys have moved from Norway to Greece, hired about 20 people, and rented offices, paying their salaries and rent for 5 years in order to created "fake" screens and movies, giving "fake" interviews to gaming sites, attending gaming conventions, etc.
So what is the purpose? What are they to gain from this "scam", enlighten me please?
I do agree however that the whole investor thing and Aventurine S.A. contra Razorwax etc. is abit confusing, and something I personally would like to understand. But for some reason they have chosen not to go into details about all that.
The way I understand it is that they found a Greek publisher who's name is unknown, and decided to move to Greece where they created the company Aventurine S.A. in 2002.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/380/380319p1.html
So Aventurine didn't exists before... and their website is empty: http://www.aventurine.gr - I am sure they just want to finish their game instead of making that website..
I personally think they plan on publishing themselves. I would like to know who is financing all this though
Maybe this guy - Jade El Mehdawi?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aventurine_SA
Khael[SUN]
SUN - peekayin since pong
Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
And basically any MMO you ever come across is going to have a period of years of development, where all they release is screens, videos and tidbits of progression information. Games don't put their client up for download as soon as they finish the basic engine...
OMG! Warhammer Online has only shown us screenshots and videos! It must just be a big corporate scam, the game clearly can't exist!
I will agree with you that you don't know about ToC. Khael San, you're getting a bit paranoid
They dont have the time to setup a decent web page for their company, yet they update the website of their game regularly?? Listen to yourself: you really believe what you saying there?
Ok since their time is very limited (LOL) I asked for an address or even a phone number. Where are these? Or are these secret too?
Seriously you find ANYthing in common with Warhammer online? I wonder. On the right there are the awards -from every decent reviewer- on the left every bit of information from the team that makes it to the company itself. So no, its not a scam
Take another example: PoBS, www.burningsea.com these too, have delayed their product but look how they document everything, you see anything like this within DF?
Anyway guys you gotta give me something more than a fake photo of Acropolis taken in 2003 which supposedly shows where these guys work, and a better video than darkfallgameplay.mpg.
I don't have to prove shit to you. I don't really feel like finding all the info in order to convince you, since it's pretty obvious you are too lazy to do it yourself, and too dumb to comprehend even simple arguments.
But when you come here to the DF forums and start spouting "scam" all over the place, you'd better back it up.
You can start by addressing the questions I proposed before.
Let me summarize:
Why would they move to Greece, hire 20 people, go to game conventions, give interviews to gaming sites, etc. if it's a scam.. - what would they gain from it?
Khael[SUN]
SUN - peekayin since pong
Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
Well don't bother finding we ALL got the message
Let me summarize:
Why would they move to Greece, hire 20 people, go to game conventions, give interviews to gaming sites, etc. if it's a scam.. - what would they gain from it?
We are talking of ancient history here. For a thousand of reasons is my answer. Here is my reasoning:
7 years back they did started something. However the project was big and specs were amazing. Evidently they couldnt manage the thing, funds were coming short and then... somewhere in 2003.... They went all puff? No not all. There is still one left fighting, I guess you all know to whom I refering.
What does it have to gain? well a lot of things. Company buyouts, attract venture capitalists, selling of intellectual property, you name it.
However to make things easier for you here's what i found : http://www.sioufas.gr/epikairothta_13_4_05epan432.htm in here as you can see the company which is demoted or more likely, made from the ground up(remember the first one was an SA, this one is Ltd.) participates in a public competition for funding projects and wins a contract of 265.236
euros. I bet EU is also taking part in this progam, and EU are all of us guys.
This all is of course ancient history and I cannot be convinced that what I see, which is already outdated (graphics remind me of wolfenstein
) will hardly ever surface. Anyway I dont want to burst your bubble more than I did I guess we will soon find out. At least do me a favour and tell us how many years more are you willing to wait for this "creme de la creme des jeux"?
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Well don't bother finding we ALL got the message
We are talking of ancient history here. For a thousand of reasons is my answer. Here is my reasoning:
7 years back they did started something. However the project was big and specs were amazing. Evidently they couldnt manage the thing, funds were coming short and then... somewhere in 2003.... They went all puff? No not all. There is still one left fighting, I guess you all know to whom I refering.
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What are you babbling about?
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[i]However to make things easier for you here's what i found : [url=http://www.sioufas.gr/epikairothta_13_4_05epan432.htm] in here as you can see the company which is demoted or more likely, made from the ground up(remember the first one was an SA, this one is Ltd.) participates in a public competition for funding projects and wins a contract of 265.236
euros. I bet EU is also taking part in this progam, and EU are all of us guys.[/i]
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I would answer you, if I had any idea wth you are talking about. And I can't read greek webpages.
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) will hardly ever surface. Anyway I dont want to burst your bubble more than I did I guess we will soon find out. At least do me a favour and tell us how many years more are you willing to wait for this "creme de la creme des jeux"?
This all is of course ancient history and I cannot be convinced that what I see, which is already outdated (graphics remind me of wolfenstein
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It has been delayed a few times and that is all acceptable, when you think about the insane scope of the game, and the small dev team. If beta is not out in before next summer then I will probably loose all hope and give up on the whole thing
Khael[SUN]
SUN - peekayin since pong
Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
Why don't you ask your sort of questions on the OFFICIAL Darkfall forums,where relevant people can answer youand why didn't you do that in the first place? You can't expect us,the non-devs to know about Darkfall's corporate aspects in-depth.
Why have 11/12 posts from you (with a RECENT join date) so far involved around calling Darkfall a scam and complaining about a lack of company website?