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An SWG, Vanguard curiosity.

EchobeEchobe Member Posts: 262

Having just watched the trailer for Vanguard: SOH. I couldn't help but notice that SOE now had top billing over Sigil, but that's not all. Watch it again, and pay close attention to the look of PC's, how they look and how they move. Anyone else notice the similarities to SWG's engine? Maybe it's just me...

Portal to Vanguard's Site

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  • JediGeekJediGeek Member Posts: 446
    I think the site requires flash 8 since it doesn't work on my linux box.  

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  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304
    Once down the dark path you start, forever will it dominate your destiny.



  • JediGeekJediGeek Member Posts: 446


    Originally posted by Wildcat84
    Once down the dark path you start, forever will it dominate your destiny.





    If you're going to quote Star Wars, especially the holy trilogy, get it right.
    "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
    Yes, I'm that much of a SW geek. 

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  • VastarVastar Member Posts: 176
    "Freedom"
    "The only limits are your own"
    "Set yourself free"

     I didn't know they switched over to a pure skill based system...

    ...yeah, I'm guessing they'll fit in well with SOE.


  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by Vastar
    "Freedom"
    "The only limits are your own"
    "Set yourself free"

     I didn't know they switched over to a pure skill based system...

    ...yeah, I'm guessing they'll fit in well with SOE.




    There are two possibilities:

    1. Vanguard is a huge hit, and SOE buys it out because they have the cash to do so.

    2. Vanguard is a failure and SOE buys it out (cheap) to keep it as a station pass game, and either cuts the development to nothing or uses it as a lab rat test for future gameplay systems in other games.

    There is no third possibility.

  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485


    Originally posted by Wildcat84

    Originally posted by Vastar
    "Freedom"
    "The only limits are your own"
    "Set yourself free"

     I didn't know they switched over to a pure skill based system...

    ...yeah, I'm guessing they'll fit in well with SOE.

    There are two possibilities:

    1. Vanguard is a huge hit, and SOE buys it out because they have the cash to do so.

    2. Vanguard is a failure and SOE buys it out (cheap) to keep it as a station pass game, and either cuts the development to nothing or uses it as a lab rat test for future gameplay systems in other games.

    There is no third possibility.



    You saying Sigil will jump ship out the gate?
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  • RinicRinic Member Posts: 715
    Looks more like EQ2 movement/etc rather than SWG.

  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941


    Originally posted by Vastar
    "Freedom"
    "The only limits are your own"
    "Set yourself free"

     I didn't know they switched over to a pure skill based system...

    ...yeah, I'm guessing they'll fit in well with SOE.


    Well seeming they didn't switch to a skill based system they should fit in perfectly on that part at least

  • RekrulRekrul Member Posts: 2,961
    It's just you...

    But, since it allows you to fly a dragon over the terrain in such a manner, it'll be D&L killer. After all, that's the only feature that game has.


  • ebenholtebenholt Member Posts: 312
    Talking about flying mounts... what crap wing movements is that? Looks like a 50s horror movie with puppets on strings, lol

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  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by tillamook

    Originally posted by Wildcat84

    Originally posted by Vastar
    "Freedom"
    "The only limits are your own"
    "Set yourself free"

     I didn't know they switched over to a pure skill based system...

    ...yeah, I'm guessing they'll fit in well with SOE.

    There are two possibilities:

    1. Vanguard is a huge hit, and SOE buys it out because they have the cash to do so.

    2. Vanguard is a failure and SOE buys it out (cheap) to keep it as a station pass game, and either cuts the development to nothing or uses it as a lab rat test for future gameplay systems in other games.

    There is no third possibility.



    You saying Sigil will jump ship out the gate?


    Yep.  Sigil is a startup.  They aren't an established business with a revenue stream, and they exist on borrowed money from venture capitalists.  If Vanguard is a hit (say it exceeds 300K subs) they will pressure Brad to sell so they can get a profit on their money.  If Vanguard tanks, they will pressure Brad to get what he can out of it.

    In either scenario, the purchaser will be SOE.

  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529


    Originally posted by Wildcat84

    Originally posted by tillamook

    Originally posted by Wildcat84

    Originally posted by Vastar
    "Freedom"
    "The only limits are your own"
    "Set yourself free"

     I didn't know they switched over to a pure skill based system...

    ...yeah, I'm guessing they'll fit in well with SOE.

    There are two possibilities:

    1. Vanguard is a huge hit, and SOE buys it out because they have the cash to do so.

    2. Vanguard is a failure and SOE buys it out (cheap) to keep it as a station pass game, and either cuts the development to nothing or uses it as a lab rat test for future gameplay systems in other games.

    There is no third possibility.



    You saying Sigil will jump ship out the gate?


    Yep.  Sigil is a startup.  They aren't an established business with a revenue stream, and they exist on borrowed money from venture capitalists.  If Vanguard is a hit (say it exceeds 300K subs) they will pressure Brad to sell so they can get a profit on their money.  If Vanguard tanks, they will pressure Brad to get what he can out of it.

    In either scenario, the purchaser will be SOE.



    Yup.

    Brad will either sell when...

    1. It launches to good numbers and $OE thinks it is hot.
    or
    2. It looks like the iceberg is almost there... either before or after launch.

    Either way.. most bang for the buck.

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  • RekrulRekrul Member Posts: 2,961
    Vanguard has a place. It's more classic, EQ-like, with good visuals, and the quest, exploration touch to it.

    It could serve as EQ2 successor, DnL killer, SWG refuge, and a break from WoW for more casual players.

    It is no WoW killer, but it doesn't need to be, especially in light of Warhammer. It's a solid investment, that will pay itself off. Fantasy genre still has lots of followers, despite being primary offering of MMOs.


  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489


    Originally posted by Rekrul
    Vanguard has a place. It's more classic, EQ-like, with good visuals, and the quest, exploration touch to it.

    It could serve as EQ2 successor, DnL killer, SWG refuge, and a break from WoW for more casual players.

    It is no WoW killer, but it doesn't need to be, especially in light of Warhammer. It's a solid investment, that will pay itself off. Fantasy genre still has lots of followers, despite being primary offering of MMOs.


    DnL needs a killer?

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489


    Originally posted by Echobe

    Having just watched the trailer for Vanguard: SOH. I couldn't help but notice that SOE now had top billing over Sigil, but that's not all. Watch it again, and pay close attention to the look of PC's, how they look and how they move. Anyone else notice the similarities to SWG's engine? Maybe it's just me...
    Portal to Vanguard's Site


    Well, that's the Vid on the SOE site... the other 4 Vid's don't even have SOE's name, except for the Sigil E3 one where they have a brief blub... it's just marketing...

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • RekrulRekrul Member Posts: 2,961


    Originally posted by MX13

    Originally posted by Rekrul
    Vanguard has a place. It's more classic, EQ-like, with good visuals, and the quest, exploration touch to it.

    It could serve as EQ2 successor, DnL killer, SWG refuge, and a break from WoW for more casual players.

    It is no WoW killer, but it doesn't need to be, especially in light of Warhammer. It's a solid investment, that will pay itself off. Fantasy genre still has lots of followers, despite being primary offering of MMOs.

    DnL needs a killer?


    As a game that will deliver what DnL didn't.
  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941


    Originally posted by Rekrul
    Vanguard has a place. It's more classic, EQ-like, with good visuals, and the quest, exploration touch to it.

    It could serve as EQ2 successor, DnL killer, SWG refuge, and a break from WoW for more casual players.

    It is no WoW killer, but it doesn't need to be, especially in light of Warhammer. It's a solid investment, that will pay itself off. Fantasy genre still has lots of followers, despite being primary offering of MMOs.




    I mostly agree Rekrul

    but

    SWG refuge? Class based system .... loot based economy? Sounds like what the NGE was trying to do to me.

    and

    a break from WoW for more casual players? The only game I've seen that looks more anti casual play then Vanguard is DDO. I know they are saying they are adding more solo content but '20%' does not make for casual player friendly and I doubt the devs they have their hearts in making that content any good.

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