Originally posted by grinreaper Originally posted by Slythe Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
After getting to only level 26 in EQ2, I never wanted to see Thundering Steppes again. But back when I used to play, that was like the only zone to level 25-30 in. I think it was the TS that made me stop playing, seriously.
Lets see...Nektolus, Zek, Enchanted Lands, Splitpaw, bottom of Third Gate, top of Nektropos, VOS, Lair of the Necro, One of the instances of FMG...just off the top of my head.
Saying TS is the only place to go 25-30 may be the dumbest thing ever said on the internet
Hmm lets see, I had never played EQ before EQ2, I had no idea where the other zones were (neither did my pretty-noobish guild) so I didnt think there were that many places to level in November-2004 to January 2005. The only zone I saw after Antonica was TS, that and the dungeon that was in Antonica ( I forget the name, where you kill some mobs for your first AQ) .
Besides that, I didnt know of anywhere else to level. And you know what? I didnt want to go around looking for another place, because the game had no soul. And another problem with the game is people like you grin, total elitist a-holes make up 90% of the community.
But at least I won the stupid internet post EVER award.
Originally posted by Ranma13 Everquest 2 has nice-looking graphics from a technical standpoint, but bland, brown textures and boring zone designs makes it an ugly game to play.
As I liked Lineage 2 graphic it is such a non interactive world it hardly can be fun. You can't enter any buildings, you can't talk to anyone you meet on your way, 95% of things you pass by in the world have plain decorative meaning. So yes world looks nice but it gives very limited possibilities.
WoW is nice looking but have very special funny/cartoonish style and there is whole buch of humor everywhere from character animations to quests. I just don't like it. Though I agree graphic is nice but it is different cathegory then other games, makes it rather impossible to compare.
In EQ2 I gonna agree that textures like the grass in Anotnica are just bad. But on other hand you it is all so interactive and interesting. All over you have things you can harvest, dungeons, houses etc. you can enter, NPCs you can talk to who often give you quest as well - that what makes it so much more alive. And yet places like Nektualos Forest are really well made. You don't see those bad textures there and Nektulos for example is propably the best looking forest in any game I seen so far. Engine is capable of rendering nice effects though sadly it is very slow one as well. No matter how high end machine you have.
The one thing that was not mentioned are very limited character cutomization options of Lineage 2 and WoW. You just have few things you can change about the look of character that's it. EQ2 beats both games by far in this area. Same comes to creatures design and their battle animations. Mobs in EQ2 actully looks as if they were figthing, and are very well rendered as well. WoW and L2 have very, very simplistic mobs animations.
EQ2 armors/weapons are bit to similar among all the levels. I would like to see the impressive armors, weapons that looks so nice in WoW. But if you actully play the game you are able to notice the little differences in look of your equipment and it makes it fun enough, though I agree it could be better.
To sum up though maybe the world of EQ2 is not the best looking one in every area but no other game is. And honestly I found the EQ2 world the most interactive and interesting to explore of all three games.
And I'm not SOE fun, rather opposite. But just have to be fair here. EQ2 is just good game both in graphical and game play aspects. (though the engine performance is bad)
PS And I so hate the fact I can't customize controlls in L2 that I don't play it!!! (I know it is off topic but it annoys me greately )
Hey adolf, nice post. If you don't mind I would like to comment
As I liked Lineage 2 graphic it is such a non interactive world it hardly can be fun. You can't enter any buildings, you can't talk to anyone you meet on your way, 95% of things you pass by in the world have plain decorative meaning. So yes world looks nice but it gives very limited possibilities. It depends what you expect. L2 isn't designed with the explorer type gamer in mind unfortunately. Although the world is vast and beautiful. You are correct in a way that its primary job is to level you along. As far as the buildings. Most of the building are enterable. Sure they don't have doors but you can go into almost all of them. Many of the "doors" in town you can not enter are usually Guild halls and you must be a member of that guild to interact with them. No L2 doesn't have collectable items scattered around but the games doesn't promote that sort of gameplay. Its conflict based. I don't get what you mean by "you can't talk to anyone you meet on your way" The NPC's are interactive like in any other MMO....not sure here.
WoW is nice looking but have very special funny/cartoonish style and there is whole buch of humor everywhere from character animations to quests. I just don't like it. Though I agree graphic is nice but it is different cathegory then other games, makes it rather impossible to compare. Ah, WoW is a blast, who doesn't like who the male dwarf flirts? In EQ2 I gonna agree that textures like the grass in Anotnica are just bad. But on other hand you it is all so interactive and interesting. All over you have things you can harvest, dungeons, houses etc. you can enter, NPCs you can talk to who often give you quest as well - that what makes it so much more alive. True, maybe the quest/NPC interaction in EQII is better, I agree (although it is for the mostpart busy work) It SHOULD be, its a PvE game!!!! It SHOULD have THE BEST PvE content. EDIT - Now I love a good quest and great story, One of the things that disappointed about EQII is that it didn't really have either. I should have sat back in my chair and said to myself "wow, that was a great quest". Instead I got a bunch of kill task, just like WoW and L2. You can not currently get quality content in an MMO. You gotta play a real RPG like Neverwinter nights or obilivion to get that. What a shame. Part of what I liked about EQII was the voice over. More MMO's need voiceovers and cutscenes. Unfortunately as the the expansions came out, they dropped doing voice overs. Part of what makes L2 compelling is the fact that its is player conflict based. The entire point of L2 (which most western players missed) is the castle control and the guild politics / conflicts. Its not a strong PvE game. It looks good but you fight. You gain control of the castles, why? not for bragging rights like in DAoC but because it gives you CONTROL of the local economy. You tax. You manage the manor system (the verion of resourse gathering) You basically regulate trade in your town. It empowers the guilds. You impact the game world. L2 players could care less about collecting trinkets or delivering crispy bat wings, we fight for control of the game world. We MUST form strong guilds. We must band together. And yet places like Nektualos Forest are really well made. You don't see those bad textures there and Nektulos for example is propably the best looking forest in any game I seen so far. Engine is capable of rendering nice effects though sadly it is very slow one as well. No matter how high end machine you have. The one thing that was not mentioned are very limited character cutomization options of Lineage 2 and WoW. You just have few things you can change about the look of character that's it. EQ2 beats both games by far in this area. Same comes to creatures design and their battle animations. Mobs in EQ2 actully looks as if they were figthing, and are very well rendered as well. WoW and L2 have very, very simplistic mobs animations. Well first when it comes to customization you need to understand that L2 is a mass combat game. We have siege with literally hundreds of players fighting at a time. (that is no exaggeration, there are many movies and if you played you know that) You simply can not have the level of customization you have in EQII. Once you understand that, it makes more sense. Much of the "customization" is pre-built in the race/sex/class and in the gear (like WoW) Its not as much as most of us would like but what there is, is very good looking. The Mob animations I totally disagree. Have you seen some of the mobs in L2? Please take a look at some of the videos. Simply fantastic. EQII isn't "bad" but they use the same models for several different mobs. I was very disappointed when I first tried EQII and found many of the mobs in the lower level areas had the same models but different names. (Gnolls for example) Yes, we have some of that in L2 but overall not so soon in gameplay and not as much. I felt mob battles in EQII went very blandly. On top of it, you spend entirely to much time managing your heroic opportunities. Watching "cool downs" and "flashing specials" to put in sequence was no fun. EQ2 armors/weapons are bit to similar among all the levels. I would like to see the impressive armors, weapons that looks so nice in WoW. But if you actully play the game you are able to notice the little differences in look of your equipment and it makes it fun enough, though I agree it could be better. To sum up though maybe the world of EQ2 is not the best looking one in every area but no other game is. And honestly I found the EQ2 world the most interactive and interesting to explore of all three games. True. I would say EQII is definately designed with the socializer/explorer in mind. However where they drop the ball with the exploration is the linear zone design. You can not have a truely explorable world (like old AC for example) if everything is sectioned off by level. Here is L2's strength in world design. You are free to roam where you like at will. With 6 different and unique starter zones, it takes awhile to see everything. (which is very strange for L2 given its not focused on exploring at all) It unfortunate that SOE went for the linear zone design. EQII would have been much stronger free roaming. And I'm not SOE fun, rather opposite. But just have to be fair here. EQ2 is just good game both in graphical and game play aspects. (though the engine performance is bad) Based on taste, sure its a decent game PS And I so hate the fact I can't customize controlls in L2 that I don't play it!!! (I know it is off topic but it annoys me greately ) LoL, yeah, alot of people don't like that. I didn't either at first. L2 does have arrow movement but it "acts" very wierd.
Originally posted by Slythe Originally posted by grinreaper Originally posted by Slythe Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
After getting to only level 26 in EQ2, I never wanted to see Thundering Steppes again. But back when I used to play, that was like the only zone to level 25-30 in. I think it was the TS that made me stop playing, seriously.
Lets see...Nektolus, Zek, Enchanted Lands, Splitpaw, bottom of Third Gate, top of Nektropos, VOS, Lair of the Necro, One of the instances of FMG...just off the top of my head.
Saying TS is the only place to go 25-30 may be the dumbest thing ever said on the internet
Hmm lets see, I had never played EQ before EQ2, I had no idea where the other zones were (neither did my pretty-noobish guild) so I didnt think there were that many places to level in November-2004 to January 2005. The only zone I saw after Antonica was TS, that and the dungeon that was in Antonica ( I forget the name, where you kill some mobs for your first AQ) .
Besides that, I didnt know of anywhere else to level. And you know what? I didnt want to go around looking for another place, because the game had no soul. And another problem with the game is people like you grin, total elitist a-holes make up 90% of the community.
But at least I won the stupid internet post EVER award.
Yup, I will cop to acting like an eliteist A-hole on that one...but, dude, how can you complain about a zone being boring when you clearly didnt even look for another zone to play in.
The orginal design of EQ2(which they have dumbed down massivly) was great...but most people never got it because they just ground in TS or whatever and never tried to figure it all out...same with the graphics...I will compare Lavastorm on high graphics with any game (online or not)...but I am betting less than 20% of the population has really seen it. This game wont get props for its graphics till what is todays high end machine is the standard...and by then, WoW will be looked at the way EQ1 is today.
These are taken at my group play settings. If you have a fast enough machine (and I mean fast!) then EQ2 incredibly inefficiently engine can be one of the best looking in any genre.
The best way to sum up EQ2 garphics are dull and boring. I would hardly call them realistic, just higher polygon. The team behind EQ2 have a severe lack of artistic talent and it shows in every bit of the game.
This game wont get props for its graphics till what is todays high end machine is the standard...and by then, WoW will be looked at the way EQ1 is today.
No, it won't. Blizzard is a very talented team with highly skilled artists and animators who truly care about their game. On the other hand, EQ2 is just something that was thrown together to grab your money. The graphics suck, the animation sucks, the quests suck, and the game performace sucks.
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Lets see...Nektolus, Zek, Enchanted Lands, Splitpaw, bottom of Third Gate, top of Nektropos, VOS, Lair of the Necro, One of the instances of FMG...just off the top of my head.
Saying TS is the only place to go 25-30 may be the dumbest thing ever said on the internet
Hmm lets see, I had never played EQ before EQ2, I had no idea where the other zones were (neither did my pretty-noobish guild) so I didnt think there were that many places to level in November-2004 to January 2005.
The only zone I saw after Antonica was TS, that and the dungeon that was in Antonica ( I forget the name, where you kill some mobs for your first AQ) .
Besides that, I didnt know of anywhere else to level. And you know what? I didnt want to go around looking for another place, because the game had no soul. And another problem with the game is people like you grin, total elitist a-holes make up 90% of the community.
But at least I won the stupid internet post EVER award.
As I liked Lineage 2 graphic it is such a non interactive world it hardly can be fun.
You can't enter any buildings, you can't talk to anyone you meet on your way, 95% of things you pass by in the world have plain decorative meaning.
So yes world looks nice but it gives very limited possibilities.
WoW is nice looking but have very special funny/cartoonish style and there is whole buch of humor everywhere from character animations to quests. I just don't like it. Though I agree graphic is nice but it is different cathegory then other games, makes it rather impossible to compare.
In EQ2 I gonna agree that textures like the grass in Anotnica are just bad. But on other hand you it is all so interactive and interesting. All over you have things you can harvest, dungeons, houses etc. you can enter, NPCs you can talk to who often give you quest as well - that what makes it so much more alive.
And yet places like Nektualos Forest are really well made. You don't see those bad textures there and Nektulos for example is propably the best looking forest in any game I seen so far.
Engine is capable of rendering nice effects though sadly it is very slow one as well. No matter how high end machine you have.
The one thing that was not mentioned are very limited character cutomization options of Lineage 2 and WoW. You just have few things you can change about the look of character that's it. EQ2 beats both games by far in this area. Same comes to creatures design and their battle animations. Mobs in EQ2 actully looks as if they were figthing, and are very well rendered as well. WoW and L2 have very, very simplistic mobs animations.
EQ2 armors/weapons are bit to similar among all the levels. I would like to see the impressive armors, weapons that looks so nice in WoW. But if you actully play the game you are able to notice the little differences in look of your equipment and it makes it fun enough, though I agree it could be better.
To sum up though maybe the world of EQ2 is not the best looking one in every area but no other game is. And honestly I found the EQ2 world the most interactive and interesting to explore of all three games.
And I'm not SOE fun, rather opposite. But just have to be fair here. EQ2 is just good game both in graphical and game play aspects. (though the engine performance is bad)
PS
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And I so hate the fact I can't customize controlls in L2 that I don't play it!!! (I know it is off topic but it annoys me greately
Regards,
adolf
Lets see...Nektolus, Zek, Enchanted Lands, Splitpaw, bottom of Third Gate, top of Nektropos, VOS, Lair of the Necro, One of the instances of FMG...just off the top of my head.
Saying TS is the only place to go 25-30 may be the dumbest thing ever said on the internet
Hmm lets see, I had never played EQ before EQ2, I had no idea where the other zones were (neither did my pretty-noobish guild) so I didnt think there were that many places to level in November-2004 to January 2005.
The only zone I saw after Antonica was TS, that and the dungeon that was in Antonica ( I forget the name, where you kill some mobs for your first AQ) .
Besides that, I didnt know of anywhere else to level. And you know what? I didnt want to go around looking for another place, because the game had no soul. And another problem with the game is people like you grin, total elitist a-holes make up 90% of the community.
But at least I won the stupid internet post EVER award.
Yup, I will cop to acting like an eliteist A-hole on that one...but, dude, how can you complain about a zone being boring when you clearly didnt even look for another zone to play in.
The orginal design of EQ2(which they have dumbed down massivly) was great...but most people never got it because they just ground in TS or whatever and never tried to figure it all out...same with the graphics...I will compare Lavastorm on high graphics with any game (online or not)...but I am betting less than 20% of the population has really seen it. This game wont get props for its graphics till what is todays high end machine is the standard...and by then, WoW will be looked at the way EQ1 is today.
The best way to sum up EQ2 garphics are dull and boring. I would hardly call them realistic, just higher polygon. The team behind EQ2 have a severe lack of artistic talent and it shows in every bit of the game.
No, it won't. Blizzard is a very talented team with highly skilled artists and animators who truly care about their game. On the other hand, EQ2 is just something that was thrown together to grab your money. The graphics suck, the animation sucks, the quests suck, and the game performace sucks.