In response to the OP. (some of this has already been said)
You are young... so you still have the time to become whatever you want to become. If you really want to make your own MMORPG ... you still have time to accomplish that.
first off... Dreams are everything, And your dream could very well happen. I know some people shot you down... but people also shot down Rudy... and he proved all of them wrong. YOu could do the very same thing. Maybe one day one of those people will be paying your company $15 a month to play your game... imagine that! lol.
2nd. Games cost cost a ton of money to make these days... I have a player's guide to a game called Dungeon Seige and within it, it states that the game took over $ 3 million. YOu can expect that price to be alot more for an MMO.
I know you said in your spare time.. but MMOs are a buisness and just like any buisness you will have to have employees working full time, all the time to get it done and to keep it going.
Now for my advice...
1. Get good grades in school! this is very important... you want have the best GPA you can get.
2. Go to college and get your BS degree. As far as i know, a BS (or equivalent) is required for pretty much all video game positions.
3. Take Speach, language, marketing, and any PR classes you can. MMORPGs rely on building good communities and if you want to make your own, chances are you will have to be good at motivating and talking to people.
4. Play games! Yes, you need to know what makes a good game if you wanna make a good game, Also so you can find out what works and what doesn't.
5. Stay on top of the industry. Computers, and games change faster than the weather. Use websites such as tomshardware to stay on top of current hardware within the industry.
6. Be ready for a tough road. Alot of people think the gaming industry is a easy job and maybe a cheap job. but it is actually very demanding and tough. If you are not expecting to work hard, you are in the wrong industry. It is plagued with tight deadlines and tons of overtime.
7. don't let anyone stop you or tell you no, its not possible. If it is truly what you want to do then anyone who tells you it can't be done, or anyone who tells you it isn't possible is wrong. (<--- notice the period) and again i'll use the Rudy example. He didn't make good grades in high school, and he did try (he had dislexia). Once he got into college he worked super hard and made better grades there then he ever had.
Ok i'm done now... LOL.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
But he would still tell his kids and grandkids to get a degree.
As would I, most definitly. But this isn't an argument against going to college, this is an argument against the assertion that people who drop out of school are doomed to failure.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Theodoryk I want to design and manufacture my own sports car. Ok, first of all I'm only 25 years old. I have no mechanical, design, or engineering knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make cars, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on mechanics, but hes never designed a car before (he doesn't like cars). I drive ALOT of cars and I really like being able to interact with other drivers. I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own sports car, I want to learn how to make a motorcycle first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a car. If anyone has any knowledge of car design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
You know what makes for good humor? A grain of truth. Sadly, you missed that by a mile.
I'm sure you think that was witty, but really it's just snotty. Mostly because what that kid is asking for is reasonable. He can learn how to program and design games by spending just a few hours a week on it, and -- surprise! -- he already has the tools to do so, because he has a computer. A computer and a brain is all he needs.
You know what makes for good humor? A grain of truth. Sadly, you missed that by a mile.
I'm sure you think that was witty, but really it's just snotty. Mostly because what that kid is asking for is reasonable. He can learn how to program and design games by spending just a few hours a week on it, and -- surprise! -- he already has the tools to do so, because he has a computer. A computer and a brain is all he needs.
You're in error, grossly so, I would say. No one can learn the fundamentals of programing and design and then create an mmorpg in "maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day". I congratulate you on attempting to be the valiant self-righteous hero pointing out what a sleeze I am, but I'm afraid you utterly fail to make a valid point. Next time read before shooting off your "position" on my "snottyness".
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by opeth313x Ok, first of all I'm only 13 years old. I have no knowledge of how to program at all. I know that a lot of people want to make games, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on programming, but hes never programmed games before (he doesn't like video games). I play a LOT of games and I really like being able to interact with other players.
I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own MMORPG, I want to learn how to make a game first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to program.
If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
Designing and building an MMO is almost certainly too advanced a project to start with, but if you learn the basics of making a game, it should be fairly easy to design a decent amateur MMO within a few years. My advice is to first learn how to modify game sprites (the characters in games), then learn how to modify the game worlds/tilesets, then move on to creating your own full-blown mods.
Like anything else in life, you have to walk before you can run.
Start with a game that has a built-in game editor, so you can get a feel for it. Most decent games come with this feature nowadays, and a lot of older games have it, too. Dungeon Seige II, WarCraft III, things like that.
There are a lot of tutorials out there on the internet -- just do a search on "how to modify games" or "game engines" and such. There are a lot of free programs to help you out, as well. The GIMP is a graphics program that is similar to Photoshop, but it totally free.
Build your skills and before you know it you'll be designing games.
You know what makes for good humor? A grain of truth. Sadly, you missed that by a mile.
I'm sure you think that was witty, but really it's just snotty. Mostly because what that kid is asking for is reasonable. He can learn how to program and design games by spending just a few hours a week on it, and -- surprise! -- he already has the tools to do so, because he has a computer. A computer and a brain is all he needs.
You're in error, grossly so, I would say. No one can learn the fundamentals of programing and design and then create an mmorpg in "maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day". I congratulate you on attempting to be the valiant self-righteous hero pointing out what a sleeze I am, but I'm afraid you utterly fail to make a valid point. Next time read before shooting off your "position" on my "snottyness".
Well awesome, I'm just going to set aside half an hour a day and make an mmorpg then. Sure, I'll have oodles of subscribers and get rich! And all it will take me is a silly one half of an hour a day. Geez, this is awesome, why isn't everyone doing this?
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Squal'Zell university professor 100k per year and every 5 years they get to take a year off with full salary so thats 100k in his pockets to sit in front of the tv all day if they wish... (most of them are crackheads who would rather spend all 365 days trying to solve this 1 math problem)
umm my mom is a university professor with Ph.D, she doesn't make nearly that much...something only around half that much. Where did you get that number? From MIT?
Also they have no need to take a year off every 5 years. Each semaster has only 15 weeks. So they only work 30 weeks a year out of 52 weeks. That might be the best part of being a university professor. So much free time.
Well awesome, I'm just going to set aside half an hour a day and make an mmorpg then. Sure, I'll have oodles of subscribers and get rich! And all it will take me is a silly one half of an hour a day. Geez, this is awesome, why isn't everyone doing this?
Heh. If only you knew. Many of the big-name game developers who are famous today -- and have created some of the biggest, most popular games in the world, MMOs included -- started out exactly that way. They started monkeying around a little bit each day until they had something to play. Yes, it most cases it took them years to develop their first games. And they now run multi-billion dollar companies, in America, England, South Korea and Japan.
Do a little reading on the history of game development. Even some of the more recent superstars began just as the OP is looking to. It's even easier nowadays because the information is readily available. And as I already pointed out, he doesn't need any other fancy tools. His current computer is fine. No equivalent of a full auto garage is necessary, just the digital version of paper and pencil.
We're talking about two completely different things here, I think. I'm not saying one cannot develop one's skills with only a half an hour a day to do so. What I am saying is that one cannot develop a full blown mmo in half an hour a day, having no prior training or experience in the field, which is what the OP was aiming at.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
Hi Opeth! When i started programming i was about your age. My First computer was a spectrum + , it had 48 KB of ram and 16 KB of rom and you could put it in your school bag. This little computer had only 2 languages you could learn: Assembly and basic. Since i did not know the existence of assembly i started learning basic. When i was at your age i wanted to make my own game too so i started reading Basic more than half hour a day.
Later i realised that making a good and fast game basic was not the language to end so i expanded my knowledge by learning assembly for the Z80 and then when amiga came i started learn the C language and after that C++ on the first pcs.
It took me many years to understand how really programming works and what you can do with it. And even now that i work many years as a computer programmer i learned that making a modern game needs far more knowledge and experience that someone can get by studying one or 2 or 3 or 4 hours a day even for many years.
If you really want to get into this just get a computer and try to learn a little of Basic language, Just the syntax of commands at first and what you can do with them and nothing more. After basic you can expand your knowledge by learning C++ which is actually the language in which many modern games are written. To learn any kind of language you must first get some lessons. When i was at your age there was no internet so i bought books. Now you can download books and tutorials from internet, just very simple ones and NOT ones about games. While you are studying and reading a LOT more than half hour a day and beeing good student at school try to make a very simple Game like checkers or anything else you may want to try but keep it low and simple. If you finally make a simple game you will be amazed how much time it needed to be done!
Games are very hard to make because even in the most simple ones you have to make the computer think like a human. It's not like programming the computer to read your email or draw a picture. Games interact with people. Games have logic inside them which is very different of how computer languages are designed and this is something you will learn as you grow up.
When you study keep in mind that at start will be even difficult to draw a simple line as you want it, at the monitor of your PC but don't give up.
After your knowledge in programming in c or basic or any language you learned gets to the point of Objects and what you can do with them it is time for you to start reading a little theory about computer grafix and sound. However programmers are lucky today since other programmers have created Components called DirectX and openGL that willl really help you make 3d grafix and sound easier.
You also said that you play games. i am sure that many of the games that you play have level designers. These are programs that help you design a new level for a game and this is actually like programming. Try to make a simple level and put things in it like monsters Houses and many other things you can with them. This kind of programming is called visual programming and it will help you understand the use of Objects in a visual manner.
But even with Directx or OpenGL or even Game level designers or any other kind of tools, making games is still hard for the reason i told you before. SO if You really want to get on this boat and start your journey then you will find your way after many years of study and effort.
C++ is computer laguage right like binary the 0's and 1's. I had the same Idea and I did find a couple of drag and drop to make your game of course they did cost 40 bucks I think but sorry I cant remember what the name was but Im sure if you google free mmorpg builder youll find some stuff, dont mind the free part even if your willing to spend money.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature.
droping out of school is the worst thing any one can imagine doing...
Bill Gates, Richard Branson, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, Joseph Pulitzer, Agatha Christie, the list of people who dropped out and became highly successful in their lives goes on and on and on, disproving your bullshit theory.
I read alot of replies about how this kid is nuts and what not. You have to start somewhere and desire is a start. Who knows, maybe in a decade we will all be playing his game.
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In response to the OP. (some of this has already been said)
You are young... so you still have the time to become whatever you want to become. If you really want to make your own MMORPG ... you still have time to accomplish that.
first off... Dreams are everything, And your dream could very well happen. I know some people shot you down... but people also shot down Rudy... and he proved all of them wrong. YOu could do the very same thing. Maybe one day one of those people will be paying your company $15 a month to play your game... imagine that! lol.
2nd. Games cost cost a ton of money to make these days... I have a player's guide to a game called Dungeon Seige and within it, it states that the game took over $ 3 million. YOu can expect that price to be alot more for an MMO.
I know you said in your spare time.. but MMOs are a buisness and just like any buisness you will have to have employees working full time, all the time to get it done and to keep it going.
Now for my advice...
1. Get good grades in school! this is very important... you want have the best GPA you can get.
2. Go to college and get your BS degree. As far as i know, a BS (or equivalent) is required for pretty much all video game positions.
3. Take Speach, language, marketing, and any PR classes you can. MMORPGs rely on building good communities and if you want to make your own, chances are you will have to be good at motivating and talking to people.
4. Play games! Yes, you need to know what makes a good game if you wanna make a good game, Also so you can find out what works and what doesn't.
5. Stay on top of the industry. Computers, and games change faster than the weather. Use websites such as tomshardware to stay on top of current hardware within the industry.
6. Be ready for a tough road. Alot of people think the gaming industry is a easy job and maybe a cheap job. but it is actually very demanding and tough. If you are not expecting to work hard, you are in the wrong industry. It is plagued with tight deadlines and tons of overtime.
7. don't let anyone stop you or tell you no, its not possible. If it is truly what you want to do then anyone who tells you it can't be done, or anyone who tells you it isn't possible is wrong. (<--- notice the period) and again i'll use the Rudy example. He didn't make good grades in high school, and he did try (he had dislexia). Once he got into college he worked super hard and made better grades there then he ever had.
Ok i'm done now... LOL.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
I'm sure you think that was witty, but really it's just snotty. Mostly because what that kid is asking for is reasonable. He can learn how to program and design games by spending just a few hours a week on it, and -- surprise! -- he already has the tools to do so, because he has a computer. A computer and a brain is all he needs.
You're in error, grossly so, I would say. No one can learn the fundamentals of programing and design and then create an mmorpg in "maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day". I congratulate you on attempting to be the valiant self-righteous hero pointing out what a sleeze I am, but I'm afraid you utterly fail to make a valid point. Next time read before shooting off your "position" on my "snottyness".
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Like anything else in life, you have to walk before you can run.
Start with a game that has a built-in game editor, so you can get a feel for it. Most decent games come with this feature nowadays, and a lot of older games have it, too. Dungeon Seige II, WarCraft III, things like that.
There are a lot of tutorials out there on the internet -- just do a search on "how to modify games" or "game engines" and such. There are a lot of free programs to help you out, as well. The GIMP is a graphics program that is similar to Photoshop, but it totally free.
Build your skills and before you know it you'll be designing games.
Good luck!
You're in error, grossly so, I would say. No one can learn the fundamentals of programing and design and then create an mmorpg in "maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day". I congratulate you on attempting to be the valiant self-righteous hero pointing out what a sleeze I am, but I'm afraid you utterly fail to make a valid point. Next time read before shooting off your "position" on my "snottyness".
Nope. You're just wrong on this one.
Well awesome, I'm just going to set aside half an hour a day and make an mmorpg then. Sure, I'll have oodles of subscribers and get rich! And all it will take me is a silly one half of an hour a day. Geez, this is awesome, why isn't everyone doing this?
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
umm my mom is a university professor with Ph.D, she doesn't make nearly that much...something only around half that much. Where did you get that number? From MIT?
Also they have no need to take a year off every 5 years. Each semaster has only 15 weeks. So they only work 30 weeks a year out of 52 weeks. That might be the best part of being a university professor. So much free time.
Well awesome, I'm just going to set aside half an hour a day and make an mmorpg then. Sure, I'll have oodles of subscribers and get rich! And all it will take me is a silly one half of an hour a day. Geez, this is awesome, why isn't everyone doing this?
Heh. If only you knew. Many of the big-name game developers who are famous today -- and have created some of the biggest, most popular games in the world, MMOs included -- started out exactly that way. They started monkeying around a little bit each day until they had something to play. Yes, it most cases it took them years to develop their first games. And they now run multi-billion dollar companies, in America, England, South Korea and Japan.
Do a little reading on the history of game development. Even some of the more recent superstars began just as the OP is looking to. It's even easier nowadays because the information is readily available. And as I already pointed out, he doesn't need any other fancy tools. His current computer is fine. No equivalent of a full auto garage is necessary, just the digital version of paper and pencil.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
Hi Opeth! When i started programming i was about your age. My First computer was a spectrum + , it had 48 KB of ram and 16 KB of rom and you could put it in your school bag. This little computer had only 2 languages you could learn: Assembly and basic. Since i did not know the existence of assembly i started learning basic. When i was at your age i wanted to make my own game too so i started reading Basic more than half hour a day.
Later i realised that making a good and fast game basic was not the language to end so i expanded my knowledge by learning assembly for the Z80 and then when amiga came i started learn the C language and after that C++ on the first pcs.
It took me many years to understand how really programming works and what you can do with it. And even now that i work many years as a computer programmer i learned that making a modern game needs far more knowledge and experience that someone can get by studying one or 2 or 3 or 4 hours a day even for many years.
If you really want to get into this just get a computer and try to learn a little of Basic language, Just the syntax of commands at first and what you can do with them and nothing more. After basic you can expand your knowledge by learning C++ which is actually the language in which many modern games are written. To learn any kind of language you must first get some lessons. When i was at your age there was no internet so i bought books. Now you can download books and tutorials from internet, just very simple ones and NOT ones about games. While you are studying and reading a LOT more than half hour a day and beeing good student at school try to make a very simple Game like checkers or anything else you may want to try but keep it low and simple. If you finally make a simple game you will be amazed how much time it needed to be done!
Games are very hard to make because even in the most simple ones you have to make the computer think like a human. It's not like programming the computer to read your email or draw a picture. Games interact with people. Games have logic inside them which is very different of how computer languages are designed and this is something you will learn as you grow up.
When you study keep in mind that at start will be even difficult to draw a simple line as you want it, at the monitor of your PC but don't give up.
After your knowledge in programming in c or basic or any language you learned gets to the point of Objects and what you can do with them it is time for you to start reading a little theory about computer grafix and sound. However programmers are lucky today since other programmers have created Components called DirectX and openGL that willl really help you make 3d grafix and sound easier.
You also said that you play games. i am sure that many of the games that you play have level designers. These are programs that help you design a new level for a game and this is actually like programming. Try to make a simple level and put things in it like monsters Houses and many other things you can with them. This kind of programming is called visual programming and it will help you understand the use of Objects in a visual manner.
But even with Directx or OpenGL or even Game level designers or any other kind of tools, making games is still hard for the reason i told you before. SO if You really want to get on this boat and start your journey then you will find your way after many years of study and effort.
Good luck
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98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature.
i ran a search . since i'd like to (like everyone else) make an mmorpg... check out Cprogramming.com
seem to be pretty usefull site. maybe it'll help you get started :P now im going to check out the new RYL server. ttfn.
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