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Hold judgement till you see the results. Please
MichaelCr
Member Posts: 32
Game is only in Beta 3 so relax it still has time to be a great game. I think the game has great potential and I believe in Brad's vision for the game.
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The game has an EXTREAMLY strong footing to build on, considering how strong it is at this point... bashing a Beta half way through the cycle is begging future Dev's to keep players out of the Beta as long as possible, rather than including us in the Dev Process.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
The game is 9 months into beta and not too far away from open beta. And they want to release it this fall. If they are going to fix the troubles, they are starting to run out of time.
2nd Vanguard is NOT going to be released this fall, Vanguard is going to be released this winter.
You may not be aware but winter begins in december and ends in march. That leaves sigil 7 months to finish the game.
3rd Acording Sigil Vanguard will be released once is ready, even if it means delaying the release.
Agree.
People are edgy because there have been no quality MMO releases in a LONG time.
2nd Vanguard is NOT going to be released this fall, Vanguard is going to be released this winter.
You may not be aware but winter begins in december and ends in march. That leaves sigil 7 months to finish the game.
3rd Acording Sigil Vanguard will be released once is ready, even if it means delaying the release.
1st: That is even worse.
2nd: Winter/Fall whatever. Plans are to get the game out this year, and most likely at the time when christmas shopping starts to maximise the profits.
3rd: Then they will have to delay it quite some. Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface
hehe GW and VG arnt even in the same ballpark. Give it a chance when it launches and you will see what I mean... You will realise why the comparison isnt even there. Chalk and cheese
As far as graphics being dated goes.. well.. no
I have seen movies and SS recently that look just great by any standards, and they are still have around 5 months (ish) of upgrading, tweaking, and polishing to go.
The difference with how Sigil have approached this, as opposed to other less honest and upfront devs, is that they have been constantly releasing real untoched ingame SS as they go along and not relying on rendered or touched up images to sell you something they havent got. I personally find this really refreshing.
Follow some of the newer links from the mainsite etc, you will see what I mean.
Finally on the waiting around for mobs to respawn... most of the 'special' nameds (called 'golden mobs') that drop the best loots will be triggered by quests etc, so camping should be limited and by your choice only I think.
Despite it's very obvious spiritual heritage to EQ and it's insistance on maintaining an adult perspective, Vanguard is looking like a very modern game to me.
2nd Vanguard is NOT going to be released this fall, Vanguard is going to be released this winter.
You may not be aware but winter begins in december and ends in march. That leaves sigil 7 months to finish the game.
3rd Acording Sigil Vanguard will be released once is ready, even if it means delaying the release.
1st: That is even worse. How? It means they are doing it right... tkaing th time needed.
2nd: Winter/Fall whatever. Plans are to get the game out this year, and most likely at the time when christmas shopping starts to maximise the profits. Actually no, it'll be out AFTER this year, Feb if we're lucky. Brad has said CLEARLY it will not be released this year more than likely.
3rd: Then they will have to delay it quite some. No gain, I play SWG beta, and it's well past that release level at this point. Is it ready? No, but it's doing VERY well compared to other Beta's 7 months out... Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface
Like I said, Beta SWG here... it's VERY close to the PRe-CU SWG feel, and nothing like WoW... I've tried WoW 3 times... I quit after about 2 hours each time....
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
2. It has been said many times that the game won't be released this year. Quit making stuff up it makes you look stupid.
3. They may indeed delay release. Tell me once again, what game can you name that was rushed out of beta to be a successful game with a smooth launch.
You seem to see delays as a bad thing while I see them as something players have been demanding for years. No more paid betas, release the game when it is finished and not a day before.
Therefore forget about a game release with half features working, with more bugs than a nest of ants.
Sigil will release the game when it is ready, which means that if it s not ready for this winter, it might release it next fall.
It won't be necessary most probably, but it is useless to make up dates, bcause they won t be respected.
Brad has his reputation to defend, on and you can bet it won't gamble it for a rushed release of the game.
2. It has been said many times that the game won't be released this year. Quit making stuff up it makes you look stupid.
3. They may indeed delay release. Tell me once again, what game can you name that was rushed out of beta to be a successful game with a smooth launch.
You seem to see delays as a bad thing while I see them as something players have been demanding for years. No more paid betas, release the game when it is finished and not a day before.
1. The longer the better. I'm just saying that the state of the game, after 1 year in beta, is not favourable.
The OP pointed out that the game is just in Beta 3. There are 4 beta stages planned. It's getting closer to release and there is alot to fix.
2. The latest preview I read from GC, said it was due this winter.
3. Again I don't want to see the game rushed. My info is that they plan to release it this winter. And currently I believe the game in no way holds what it promises and top quality.Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface
Like I said, Beta SWG
here... it's VERY close to the PRe-CU SWG feel, and nothing like WoW...
I've tried WoW 3 times... I quit after about 2 hours each time....
The current interface/beginning feels very much like Wow (EQ2).
the interface can be changed, it has already been pointed out that there will be multiple interface styles so that people can use a interface that they are familiar with, wow being one of them.
Before we get started, not flaming you, just observations:
1. The longer the better. I'm just saying that the state of the game, after 1 year in beta, is not favourable.The OP pointed out that the game is just in Beta 3. There are 4 beta stages planned. It's getting closer to release and there is alot to fix. There are 5 Beta Stages, the last being Open Beta. I've Beta'ed 8 Games to date, and VSoH is doing VERY well considering the time they have left.
2. The latest preview I read from GC, said it was due this winter. That may be, but he's right... Sigil & Brad have been clear that the game will not be released by Christmas for the shopping season unless "some miricle happpens, sorry".
3. Again I don't want to see the game rushed. My info is that they plan to release it this winter. And currently I believe the game in no way holds what it promises and top quality. Like I said, I VERY familar with the Beta process in game development, and VSoH is doing well. Like all games, it won't be perfect at launch, but with VSoH that's more due to it's size rather than it's design.Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface
Like I said, Beta SWG here... it's VERY close to the PRe-CU SWG feel, and nothing like WoW... I've tried WoW 3 times... I quit after about 2 hours each time....
The current interface/beginning feels very much like Wow (EQ2).
How does a similar interface make the whole game WoW'ish? It's just the interface, the UI is completely different. DAoC has similar interface as well, but it's not like either game.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
2. Ok, I'm wrongly informed here. But that is only positive for the game, since it needs fixes.
3. Same here, I'm also familiar with beta processes, have been in many, + I have been developing games too.
Ofcourse it won't be perfect at launch, I'm not asking for that either. But what I have experienced so far isn't too good. And I believe there is alot to fix. I kinda got the DnL feel here, not only because of the big generated feeling world. To many big promises, to few deliveries.
To me the whole game seemed like a advanced Wow and EQ2 clone. Ui is similar, hotbars, chat, menus, bags, dialogs, merchants, portraits etc etc. Starting quests and so on. Bah, I said way to much already.
/agree
The game has an EXTREAMLY strong footing to build on, considering how strong it is at this point... bashing a Beta half way through the cycle is begging future Dev's to keep players out of the Beta as long as possible, rather than including us in the Dev Process.
All it takes is regular perusing of the dev quotes to get an idea of the caliber and mindset of the people working on this game. Its rather hard not to anticipate a good outcome.
All the released info so far just cofirms that they have a solid idea of what they are shooting for. Very good things to see.
If there are problems with the game (lacking combat, lag, UI or whatever) it is understandable that this is beta and that everything may be changed at the time of release. If you say things like "combat is lacking, laggy, broken" then many people will assume this is how the game will be after release. Thats one of the main reasons why NDA is in place during beta. Since beta means the game is unfinished, bugged, laggy, devs do not want this information to get out into public for reasons above.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I haven't seen anyone talk about being in Beta here, just knowledge of the Beta... there are MANY sanctioned Screne Shots and movies that show everything we're talking about, as well as "leaked" materials.
I agree, but for me that's a problem generated with the overall MMO Developer community and thier approach to Beta's in the past few years. The recent trend was to allow (and encourage) regular players to join the final Open Betas to test & promote the game. These "testers" for the most part aren't familar with the true purposes of a Beta, and they expect to see a polished nearly finished game. IMO, there are quite a few of these players in the VSoH Beta now, and many of those end up flaming the game for not being "playable".
I feel sorry for Sigil regarding this. They're trying to create an "Open Development" standard, and they are taking an extreamly large amount of bad press about it. Because of it, we may never see this amount of inclusiveness in a Beta program in this industry again.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
yeah, i should believe everything sigil tells me and ignore my lying eyes lol.
I should just fork over the 60 retail price on faith, cause no one every lied to me... lol.
We need to make a new secton on this site
"Fan boy" -- "a place to go were you can be with people who dont think"
when ever someone makes the point that the game looks rather bad... someone just flips out and the fan boy runs wild. I would stick to my own forums but sometimes this place is funny.
Rites of the Four Horsemen
http://www.rotfh.com
Well a lot of people have blinders on (on both sides) there IS a lot of information that has been released. And while no one is perfect the devs so far appear to have been very upfront with what is making release, what isn't and why. Where the graphics/animations are at, what they are working on now, what they are working on later and why.
Typically with comment to use those lying eyes of yours to look at older shots vs currently ones showing the things they are working on.
Ignoring all else it would seem the devs are very commited to this title and have a good focus on what they are shooting for.
Regardless, I was where you were sitting a while ago, focusing on being critical and not getting hopes up because god knows there are going to be some things that just don't work right and no game is a holy grail.
I've read enough, followed enough, done enough homework, that I think it will be a good game.
So now I just follow along here and there. Aion also looks interesting but there is just too little info, same with SUN and gods and heroes. We've only got time to really play one MMO, and even then it will be time casually spent (with maybe a weekend blitz here and there), so we're still looking. If nothing else comes up that looks competetive enough it will probably be VG.
L2 is too plagued with farmers for us to enjoy, we already had 2+ l60 wow chars. We had a l75 EQ char, we each hit l40 something in EQ2 with a bunch of 30ish alts.
Right now we're just playing GW and titan quest casually, and risk 2300AD, twilight imperium, volleyball, biking, blading and other stuff. Oh and burning up time diggin for more MMO info, and posting to much. Which will stop right about now.
Well a lot of people have blinders on (on both sides) there IS a lot of information that has been released. And while no one is perfect the devs so far appear to have been very upfront with what is making release, what isn't and why. Where the graphics/animations are at, what they are working on now, what they are working on later and why.
Typically with comment to use those lying eyes of yours to look at older shots vs currently ones showing the things they are working on.
Ignoring all else it would seem the devs are very commited to this title and have a good focus on what they are shooting for.
Regardless, I was where you were sitting a while ago, focusing on being critical and not getting hopes up because god knows there are going to be some things that just don't work right and no game is a holy grail.
I've read enough, followed enough, done enough homework, that I think it will be a good game.
So now I just follow along here and there. Aion also looks interesting but there is just too little info, same with SUN and gods and heroes. We've only got time to really play one MMO, and even then it will be time casually spent (with maybe a weekend blitz here and there), so we're still looking. If nothing else comes up that looks competetive enough it will probably be VG.
L2 is too plagued with farmers for us to enjoy, we already had 2+ l60 wow chars. We had a l75 EQ char, we each hit l40 something in EQ2 with a bunch of 30ish alts.
Right now we're just playing GW and titan quest casually, and risk 2300AD, twilight imperium, volleyball, biking, blading and other stuff. Oh and burning up time diggin for more MMO info, and posting to much. Which will stop right about now.
im not really talking about graphics so much, my major issue is the combat/casting system that i SEE. The same old shit applys to that.
I dont see how this games combat engine is different then what i currently play (FFXI). I like there design ideas and concepts. I dont like the no zone loading because i KNOW something gets hurt, EQ is not the only game ive played that BM worked on... some game called EQOA, the bastard step child of BM has some things in it that i SEE in vanguard. I think if you played Brads other games... there woould be less Vanbois...
I just would like to be "WoWed" for once, something that shows me that vanguard wont be the same old shit. Like i said in many threads before, its 2006... hear that ... 2 0 0 6 the "same old shit" just aint cuttin it no more.
I just dont get it, why people dont play say a Zelda game and then just rip off nintendo and make a game that uses that type of combat engine... I look at Turbine and DDO i mean thats not what it should be, mmo combat shouldnt be like that lol, thats not even a good engine compared to Phantasy Star Online for the freakin DREAMCAST that uses a 56k modem lol.
Why cant Sigil release gameplay footage that really make me say "Holly shit i gota play that"... you know like how Tabula Rasa did at E3...
Rites of the Four Horsemen
http://www.rotfh.com
You know, we'd probably have a damn good conversation in person if we ever met.
I liked some of TR's footage as well it seemed a lot like a GW/planetside hybrid. But I have a strong suspision it will become routine all too quickly, not enough branching creation options from what I can tell on the official site and probably not a ton of content/quest variation. But it's still being worked on so ya never know right? Huxley looks like it will be a strong competitor with TR. Will be interesting to see how they both shape up.
I played L2 which doesn't have loading and I never saw a problem from it. /shrug
They used a similar concept programming wise so I suspect it will work just fine.
VG seems to have a lot going for it's combat. Position matters, both in relation to mobs and party members (flanking manuvers become available etc.) everyone has combos (especially the monk) everyone has their own bag of tricks to bring to the table. Sympathy system to combine and augment the ability of another player. Weather affecting gameplay. A lot of reactive combat (perceptions) to respond to enemy actions.
I think what will really make or break the combat sys as it stands ironically will be the AI.
There has been very little info released specifically focused on the casting system. So I can't say much in regards to it. In fact there is very little info about the primary casting classes at all. (other than the neccro which is the main pet class so I don't feel it counts as a primary caster, though it does sound rather neat playing frankenstein with your pet).
One of the best things to read (I feel) for how the systems are being designed is reading up on the monthly beta info releases, it often releases pretty specific info on updates to specific classes and abilities. Gives a feel for what direction things are going. Its nearly the end of aug so we'll be seeing another issue of it soon enough one would hope.
I don't think we're going to be WOWed by any videos however until beta 5 and everything is finally more or less together and /shudder "working as intended".
I'm not worried either way, beta 5 will be damn near an open beta and then I can make up my own mind on exactly what I think of the spell and combat system.
I do like the notion that a lot of special class abilities have to be quested and explored for. And that "supposedly" all stats matter for all characters. There is valid cause to make a fighter that has decent Int etc. A lot of build choices etc.
The videos to date to me haven't shown squat in terms of combat, at least nothing that is impressive (short of the giant falling down...that was slick). The flying and horse animations are stiff...really stiff, though I like the idea that most creatures that look like they could be mounts can be. (though I think that comment was reaching and won't believe it until I see a confirmation on an official thread)
I see the results of raiding granting better rewards in: EQ, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, FFXI, CoH.
I can pass judgment on another game that come and give "SOME" of the best rewards to raiders exclusively, I know it is a mistake.
1 + 1 = 2
If someone is telling me he is jumping off the bridge with no protection, I can tell him right away this is wrong and I am not going to wait that he actually does his jump to comment. If that kid did that jump of the bridge in the past and hurt himself on the landing (EQ), even if he is in denial, it is my duty to at least tell him that jumping off a bridge with no protection isn't wise at all.
Enforced raiding on every player (which is giving SOME of the best rewards to raiders only) is a mistake and poorly thinked, I am not afraid to state it, to repeat it and to hammer it down until it is understood.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
haha, i think you have made that quite apparent.