Ok against my better judgement i applied for the beta for this game. With the previous company's rep and my luck, my computer will blow up the first time i launch this game
Originally posted by Randd Ok against my better judgement i applied for the beta for this game. With the previous company's rep and my luck, my computer will blow up the first time i launch this game
wow, best of luck my friend.i am just seeing on how everything will pan out really
Originally posted by -exo Originally posted by Randd Ok against my better judgement i applied for the beta for this game. With the previous company's rep and my luck, my computer will blow up the first time i launch this game
wow, best of luck my friend.i am just seeing on how everything will pan out really
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Edit: I was a part of the IT industry and the schemes we did... I was the president of sales in a certain company. Anyway, this game has a similar aproach. The way I figure is they come up with a business plan that actually makes revenue from the get go (something that investors love to see), pitch it to the said investors, get a mill or two and bounce.
I wouldn't pay these people money if they made me CEO.
Originally posted by heartless Originally posted by -exo Originally posted by Randd Ok against my better judgement i applied for the beta for this game. With the previous company's rep and my luck, my computer will blow up the first time i launch this game
wow, best of luck my friend.i am just seeing on how everything will pan out really
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Edit: I was a part of the IT industry and the schemes we did... I was the president of sales in a certain company. Anyway, this game has a similar aproach. The way I figure is they come up with a business plan that actually makes revenue from the get go (something that investors love to see), pitch it to the said investors, get a mill or two and bounce.
I wouldn't pay these people money if they made me CEO.
wow that bad eh? hmmmmm well, i'm just atleast hopeing another company takes their ideas into base atleast. because the PVP base is beautifully told and sounds great lol. But of course we would want something trst worthy and true to their word
We are actually going to be relisted here soon. We are a completely different company. We are not going to rip anyone off. If you dont like the game, you dont have to pay to play it. There is not more we can do then offer a no risk way to play the game.
MMORPG has done their research and we have showed them we are a new company with a complete different staff.
Originally posted by Zorvan No, they go beyond Sony. They purposely ripped people off with no intentions of ever delivering a game. People pre-ordered and got re-writable dvds with the buggy ass client on it. The main people such as Egomancer and Dave were total asshats and did nothing but insult their customers if they dared to speak up about the apparent scam. The advertising for the game is paid by the ToC devs. MMORPG.COM does not endorse them, only charges them money to advertise, which is funny since here it's just a waste of ToCs money In fact, they were here about a week2 weeks while MMORPG.COM investigated and mulled over whether this was a truly new team or just the old asshats. As you can see, MMORPG.COM booted them, so that kinda answered that question.
Originally posted by paade Originally posted by joshuaPhiil
Originally posted by paade like Zorvan allready said, Thrones of Chaos = Mourning and if you have time I suggest you read this (very long) thread.
don't listen to these haters. they have no clue what they're talking about and just sit on internet forums all day long spreading ignorant lies and making up crap they know nothin about.
mourning is NOT thrones of chaos.. Its a completely different IP and game . they bought some art assets from a cancelled project awhile back , mainly the game world. other than that its not related at all......
and thats exactly why they've been advertising here for the last 2 months and are getting listed here again soon
go spread your delusional ignorant propoganda somewhere else zorvan.
mourning wasn't even removed for the reason people make up. it was removed because they requested it to be removed. it had nothing to do with scamming. If thats the case than why is Dark and Light still listed here ? theres no bigger TRUE scam than dnl was.
Different IP? lol, wtf does that prove? The facts are, it looks the same, it has same concept (lore, functions, features etc), it feels the same, mourning has gone by god knows how many name changes by now so ToC is nothing new in that sense.
And mourning was removed from MMORPG.com for the exact reasons mentioned earlier, theres propably dozens of threads about it. Oh and it was removed TWICE.
The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway, they just couldnt deliver what they promised. Mourning devs on the other hand lied, made threaths, insulted, scammed and so on.
And now it seems that there is this one guy with multiple accounts advertising ToC in Darkfall forums and Hypemeter with an obsession that goes far beyond of any ToC vanboi, that is he is propably ToC dev. So excuse me if im little wary when i see someone praising ToC.
The old Mourning Developers took in around 20,000 usd in pre orders, most of which were charged back. The game up to that point cost around 500,000 USD to develop in Romania. We are offering all these guys free life time accounts when Thrones of Chaos gets released.
From what I have been told, Dark and Light took in over 400,000 usd in pre orders and are still trying to get it right. We hope they do as a lot of people have spent money on keys.
Both of these companies didnt offer what they promised and were both poorly run. We have taken the assets from Mourning, fixing all the bugs and redoing many of the graphics. We are going to offer a risk free trial, no credit card required. If you hate the game, then we dont want you to pay for it.
The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway
ahahah your a real funny monkey.
No your right dark and light didn't scam anyone. They just took 9,000 orders at $60 each for SoG which was intentionally falsely advertised as being a stand alone game but was really just the unfinished alpha of DnL.
there is no bigger scam than dnl. It's the king of scammy.
and ToC is gonna be the king of PvP mmog's on 2007.
don't be hatin'.
that is he is propably ToC dev.
blah Bla baddy blah blah. lets see some proof not your BS conspiricy theories.
there was an Age of Conan developer that was makin posts on the darkfall forums making fun of it a while back. funcom even said it was true.. whats your point? everyone makes fun of darkfall. no one cares
I read through all 25+ pages of the old Mourning thread, and if I remember correctly, it was something like... Mourning devs were asking MMORPG.com to hand over the identities of people on MMORPG.com forums who were breaking NDA, so the devs could post their IPs on Mourning forums and ask people to hack them... Mourning devs also threatened MMORPG.com with legal threats for NOT disclosing the identities, MMORPG.com got sick of it, and when Mourning asked them to take them off the site, they gladly obliged.
It was a while ago, but I'm pretty sure it was something like that. The Mourning devs/publicity people were horribly unprofessional, even going so far as to post IPs of people who didn't like their game on their forums, and tell people to do what they wanted to the IPs. They had a huge list of forum rules that were changed constantly, and people got their accounts banned for posting on threads after others who had broken the rules, simply because they did not report the person before them.
They promised a lot of unique features, and delivered none of them. They pretty much charged people to play the alpha. There were a few complaints about people being double charged, or even scammed completely, but there was no proof behind that.
It may or may not be a totally different team behind this game now, and I'm not going to tell anyone how to "invest" their money, but I hope everyone is extremely cautious when giving their credit card to this project, just in case.
Originally posted by joshuaPhiil The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway
ahahah your a real funny monkey.
No your right dark and light didn't scam anyone. They just took 9,000 orders at $60 each for SoG which was intentionally falsely advertised as being a stand alone game but was really just the unfinished alpha of DnL.
there is no bigger scam than dnl. It's the king of scammy.
and ToC is gonna be the king of PvP mmog's on 2007.
Mourning devs were asking MMORPG.com to hand over the identities of people on MMORPG.com forums who were breaking NDA, so the devs could post their IPs on Mourning forums and ask people to hack them
that has gotta be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen posted here. little kids making up stupid stuff and idiots believing it. I'am done with this thread.
Originally posted by joshuaPhiil The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway
ahahah your a real funny monkey.
No your right dark and light didn't scam anyone. They just took 9,000 orders at $60 each for SoG which was intentionally falsely advertised as being a stand alone game but was really just the unfinished alpha of DnL.
there is no bigger scam than dnl. It's the king of scammy.
and ToC is gonna be the king of PvP mmog's on 2007.
don't be hatin'.
Thanks for the confidence but I will be the first to admit we probably wont be the king of PVP mmos in 2007. There are many big titles coming out with much bigger budgets then we have. We just want a close community and a playable game that people will enjoy. I am a confident we can deliver that.
Originally posted by manday Mourning devs were asking MMORPG.com to hand over the identities of people on MMORPG.com forums who were breaking NDA, so the devs could post their IPs on Mourning forums and ask people to hack them
that has gotta be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen posted here. little kids making up stupid stuff and idiots believing it. I'am done with this thread.
Actually, from what I have heard from MMORPG.COM and the old developers what Manday is saying is pretty accurate.
Originally posted by LoudAntSoft Originally posted by paade
Originally posted by joshuaPhiil
Originally posted by paade like Zorvan allready said, Thrones of Chaos = Mourning and if you have time I suggest you read this (very long) thread.
don't listen to these haters. they have no clue what they're talking about and just sit on internet forums all day long spreading ignorant lies and making up crap they know nothin about.
mourning is NOT thrones of chaos.. Its a completely different IP and game . they bought some art assets from a cancelled project awhile back , mainly the game world. other than that its not related at all......
and thats exactly why they've been advertising here for the last 2 months and are getting listed here again soon
go spread your delusional ignorant propoganda somewhere else zorvan.
mourning wasn't even removed for the reason people make up. it was removed because they requested it to be removed. it had nothing to do with scamming. If thats the case than why is Dark and Light still listed here ? theres no bigger TRUE scam than dnl was.
Different IP? lol, wtf does that prove? The facts are, it looks the same, it has same concept (lore, functions, features etc), it feels the same, mourning has gone by god knows how many name changes by now so ToC is nothing new in that sense.
And mourning was removed from MMORPG.com for the exact reasons mentioned earlier, theres propably dozens of threads about it. Oh and it was removed TWICE.
The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway, they just couldnt deliver what they promised. Mourning devs on the other hand lied, made threaths, insulted, scammed and so on.
And now it seems that there is this one guy with multiple accounts advertising ToC in Darkfall forums and Hypemeter with an obsession that goes far beyond of any ToC vanboi, that is he is propably ToC dev. So excuse me if im little wary when i see someone praising ToC.
The old Mourning Developers took in around 20,000 usd in pre orders, most of which were charged back. The game up to that point cost around 500,000 USD to develop in Romania. We are offering all these guys free life time accounts when Thrones of Chaos gets released.
From what I have been told, Dark and Light took in over 400,000 usd in pre orders and are still trying to get it right. We hope they do as a lot of people have spent money on keys.
Both of these companies didnt offer what they promised and were both poorly run. We have taken the assets from Mourning, fixing all the bugs and redoing many of the graphics. We are going to offer a risk free trial, no credit card required. If you hate the game, then we dont want you to pay for it.
that is thin ice mate. be careful with your statements when you represent a company.
Originally posted by LoudAntSoft Originally posted by paade Originally posted by joshuaPhiil Originally posted by paade like Zorvan allready said, Thrones of Chaos = Mourning and if you have time I suggest you read this (very long) thread. Different IP? lol, wtf does that prove? The facts are, it looks the same, it has same concept (lore, functions, features etc), it feels the same, mourning has gone by god knows how many name changes by now so ToC is nothing new in that sense.And mourning was removed from MMORPG.com for the exact reasons mentioned earlier, theres propably dozens of threads about it. Oh and it was removed TWICE. The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway, they just couldnt deliver what they promised. Mourning devs on the other hand lied, made threaths, insulted, scammed and so on. And now it seems that there is this one guy with multiple accounts advertising ToC in Darkfall forums and Hypemeter with an obsession that goes far beyond of any ToC vanboi, that is he is propably ToC dev. So excuse me if im little wary when i see someone praising ToC. The old Mourning Developers took in around 20,000 usd in pre orders, most of which were charged back. The game up to that point cost around 500,000 USD to develop in Romania. We are offering all these guys free life time accounts when Thrones of Chaos gets released.From what I have been told, Dark and Light took in over 400,000 usd in pre orders and are still trying to get it right. We hope they do as a lot of people have spent money on keys.Both of these companies didnt offer what they promised and were both poorly run. We have taken the assets from Mourning, fixing all the bugs and redoing many of the graphics. We are going to offer a risk free trial, no credit card required. If you hate the game, then we dont want you to pay for it.
Well, I'm sorry, but Mourning also said no money 'til the game is made and that there would be no pre-orders. Then all of a sudden they needed money for "development" and the rest is history. So, no matter how many times you make the same claims, they mean nothing until they are actual fact.
As for whether you guys are the same dev team or not, just admitting that "some" of the old team would still be around as advisors is more than enough to make me skeptical at this point. Even if they didn't leave detailed notes on the code, you should have just dumped them and redone the code without them, even though it would take longer. That's what pro developers would have done.
Which brings me to the next point. You guys at LoudAntSoftware, no matter how much you or ToCs fanboys proclaim it to be true, you are NOT pro developers. Your company didn't even exist until recently, and if anyone on the development team actually has the experience and credentials to be considered a pro developer than you should post it here, otherwise the claims can die with this thread.
Not to mention you do not seem to have anyone of any skill as far as PR and marketing, as anyone with any knowledge of Mourning would never have come out and said "We're doing Mourning again", an intelligent marketer and also devs would have waited until thaey had at least a really good working beta to show everyone when the announcement was made so people could see you actually had intentions of making a real game from this. All we have at this time is the same tired crap that Mourning ended with, plus a few pieces of animation which even on your own forums is being criticized because it is nowhere near what a state-of- the- art graphics engine should be able to handle.
In closing, all I can say is you guys need to grow some thick skins and perhaps caution your fans and/or employees to lighten up on the fanboi propaganda such as what started this thread. Because sadly, as you were told here in the beginning by the forum community, you have one hell of challenge to get any respect for this game of yours until significant changes are seen and not just talk and promises. Especially when they are the same promises made for the last incarnation of the game.
Originally posted by LoudAntSoft Originally posted by paade Originally posted by joshuaPhiil Originally posted by paade like Zorvan allready said, Thrones of Chaos = Mourning and if you have time I suggest you read this (very long) thread.
Different IP? lol, wtf does that prove? The facts are, it looks the same, it has same concept (lore, functions, features etc), it feels the same, mourning has gone by god knows how many name changes by now so ToC is nothing new in that sense.And mourning was removed from MMORPG.com for the exact reasons mentioned earlier, theres propably dozens of threads about it. Oh and it was removed TWICE. The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway, they just couldnt deliver what they promised. Mourning devs on the other hand lied, made threaths, insulted, scammed and so on. And now it seems that there is this one guy with multiple accounts advertising ToC in Darkfall forums and Hypemeter with an obsession that goes far beyond of any ToC vanboi, that is he is propably ToC dev. So excuse me if im little wary when i see someone praising ToC. The old Mourning Developers took in around 20,000 usd in pre orders, most of which were charged back. The game up to that point cost around 500,000 USD to develop in Romania. We are offering all these guys free life time accounts when Thrones of Chaos gets released.From what I have been told, Dark and Light took in over 400,000 usd in pre orders and are still trying to get it right. We hope they do as a lot of people have spent money on keys.Both of these companies didnt offer what they promised and were both poorly run. We have taken the assets from Mourning, fixing all the bugs and redoing many of the graphics. We are going to offer a risk free trial, no credit card required. If you hate the game, then we dont want you to pay for it.
Well, I'm sorry, but Mourning also said no money 'til the game is made and that there would be no pre-orders. Then all of a sudden they needed money for "development" and the rest is history. So, no matter how many times you make the same claims, they mean nothing until they are actual fact.
As for whether you guys are the same dev team or not, just admitting that "some" of the old team would still be around as advisors is more than enough to make me skeptical at this point. Even if they didn't leave detailed notes on the code, you should have just dumped them and redone the code without them, even though it would take longer. That's what pro developers would have done.
Which brings me to the next point. You guys at LoudAntSoftware, no matter how much you or ToCs fanboys proclaim it to be true, you are NOT pro developers. Your company didn't even exist until recently, and if anyone on the development team actually has the experience and credentials to be considered a pro developer than you should post it here, otherwise the claims can die with this thread.
Not to mention you do not seem to have anyone of any skill as far as PR and marketing, as anyone with any knowledge of Mourning would never have come out and said "We're doing Mourning again", an intelligent marketer and also devs would have waited until thaey had at least a really good working beta to show everyone when the announcement was made so people could see you actually had intentions of making a real game from this. All we have at this time is the same tired crap that Mourning ended with, plus a few pieces of animation which even on your own forums is being criticized because it is nowhere near what a state-of- the- art graphics engine should be able to handle.
In closing, all I can say is you guys need to grow some thick skins and perhaps caution your fans and/or employees to lighten up on the fanboi propaganda such as what started this thread. Because sadly, as you were told here in the beginning by the forum community, you have one hell of challenge to get any respect for this game of yours until significant changes are seen and not just talk and promises. Especially when they are the same promises made for the last incarnation of the game.
I can tell you we sent all the resumes of the key people on the team to MMORPG.com. I am not sure how you would know if we are Pro Developes or not.
None of our employees are posting on this site except me. I can't control what the fans post.
Mourning devs were asking MMORPG.com to hand over the identities of people on MMORPG.com forums who were breaking NDA, so the devs could post their IPs on Mourning forums and ask people to hack them
that has gotta be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen posted here. little kids making up stupid stuff and idiots believing it. I'am done with this thread.
That's what I would have thought if I weren't around to see it for myself. It was huge, people were posting links to Mourning forums of devs acting like children, and IRC logs. Of course, they had to be rehosted, because the Mourning devs would delete it promptly. One of the devs even went so far as to delete the whole forum once.
I know it's hard to believe, but it's the truth. I don't know if the threads are still around, but there were many on the subject, with links to IRC logs/forum posts/etc that came from the Mourning devs. It really was a disaster.
I'm not going to try to make anyone believe me any more than this. It's not my loss if anything goes wrong, I was just trying to caution those who weren't around to see what really happened.
Originally posted by manday That's what I would have thought if I weren't around to see it for myself. It was huge, people were posting links to Mourning forums of devs acting like children, and IRC logs. Of course, they had to be rehosted, because the Mourning devs would delete it promptly. One of the devs even went so far as to delete the whole forum once.
I know it's hard to believe, but it's the truth. I don't know if the threads are still around, but there were many on the subject, with links to IRC logs/forum posts/etc that came from the Mourning devs. It really was a disaster.
I'm not going to try to make anyone believe me any more than this. It's not my loss if anything goes wrong, I was just trying to caution those who weren't around to see what really happened.
Yup, it was a huge mess. We are trying to sort it out. However, if we dont succeed, we wont be taking anyone down with us though.
all these guys did was buy some art assets. christ get over it. its a completely different game.
It's like saying if a company bought a buggy game engine from someone , would you blame the company that made it or the company that bought it?
If I were these guys I wouldnt even be talking about any of this ebcause it aint even their problem. As soon as they get a publisher and release the game no noe will even question anything so wy even discuss it.
Originally posted by joshuaPhiil who gives a rats ass what the old developers did? all these guys did was buy some art assets. christ get over it. its a completely different game. It's like saying if a company bought a buggy game engine from someone , would you blame the company that made it or the company that bought it? If I were these guys I wouldnt even be talking about any of this ebcause it aint even their problem.
The point is, we have no proof whatsoever that Thrones of Chaos is being done by a completely different team. You should at least try to think about it with no bias. And if you're going to hype the game, don't act like a blind fanboi. The game did have a bad past, and if you look at it objectively, there is a possibility it could have a bad future. I'm not insulting you, I'm not even insulting "your" game.
And your fanboism isn't exactly helping you hype "your" game, either. It's making you look bad, and it may even be making ToC look bad, because you're the kind of person who's hyping it. Congrats. I think you've turned more people off the game than I have.
Originally posted by manday Originally posted by joshuaPhiil who gives a rats ass what the old developers did? all these guys did was buy some art assets. christ get over it. its a completely different game. It's like saying if a company bought a buggy game engine from someone , would you blame the company that made it or the company that bought it? If I were these guys I wouldnt even be talking about any of this ebcause it aint even their problem.
The point is, we have no proof whatsoever that Thrones of Chaos is being done by a completely different team. You should at least try to think about it with no bias. And if you're going to hype the game, don't act like a blind fanboi. The game did have a bad past, and if you look at it objectively, there is a possibility it could have a bad future. I'm not insulting you, I'm not even insulting "your" game.
And your fanboism isn't exactly helping you hype "your" game, either. It's making you look bad, and it may even be making ToC look bad, because you're the kind of person who's hyping it. Congrats. I think you've turned more people off the game than I have.
Well, MMORPG.COM thinks the game is being done by a different team. We have been in touch with them over the last few months. If they believe this is a new team, I would think that is pretty good "proof" we are.
They have also given me an official title on these boards.
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I wouldn't hold my breath.
Edit: I was a part of the IT industry and the schemes we did... I was the president of sales in a certain company. Anyway, this game has a similar aproach. The way I figure is they come up with a business plan that actually makes revenue from the get go (something that investors love to see), pitch it to the said investors, get a mill or two and bounce.
I wouldn't pay these people money if they made me CEO.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Edit: I was a part of the IT industry and the schemes we did... I was the president of sales in a certain company. Anyway, this game has a similar aproach. The way I figure is they come up with a business plan that actually makes revenue from the get go (something that investors love to see), pitch it to the said investors, get a mill or two and bounce.
I wouldn't pay these people money if they made me CEO.
wow that bad eh? hmmmmm well, i'm just atleast hopeing another company takes their ideas into base atleast. because the PVP base is beautifully told and sounds great lol. But of course we would want something trst worthy and true to their word
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
We are actually going to be relisted here soon. We are a completely different company. We are not going to rip anyone off. If you dont like the game, you dont have to pay to play it. There is not more we can do then offer a no risk way to play the game.
MMORPG has done their research and we have showed them we are a new company with a complete different staff.
don't listen to these haters. they have no clue what they're talking about and just sit on internet forums all day long spreading ignorant lies and making up crap they know nothin about.
mourning is NOT thrones of chaos.. Its a completely different IP and game . they bought some art assets from a cancelled project awhile back , mainly the game world. other than that its not related at all......
and thats exactly why they've been advertising here for the last 2 months and are getting listed here again soon
http://www.thronesofchaos.com/community/showthread.php?t=384
go spread your delusional ignorant propoganda somewhere else zorvan.
mourning wasn't even removed for the reason people make up. it was removed because they requested it to be removed. it had nothing to do with scamming. If thats the case than why is Dark and Light still listed here ? theres no bigger TRUE scam than dnl was.
Different IP? lol, wtf does that prove? The facts are, it looks the same, it has same concept (lore, functions, features etc), it feels the same, mourning has gone by god knows how many name changes by now so ToC is nothing new in that sense.
And mourning was removed from MMORPG.com for the exact reasons mentioned earlier, theres propably dozens of threads about it. Oh and it was removed TWICE.
The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway, they just couldnt deliver what they promised. Mourning devs on the other hand lied, made threaths, insulted, scammed and so on.
And now it seems that there is this one guy with multiple accounts advertising ToC in Darkfall forums and Hypemeter with an obsession that goes far beyond of any ToC vanboi, that is he is propably ToC dev. So excuse me if im little wary when i see someone praising ToC.
The old Mourning Developers took in around 20,000 usd in pre orders, most of which were charged back. The game up to that point cost around 500,000 USD to develop in Romania. We are offering all these guys free life time accounts when Thrones of Chaos gets released.
From what I have been told, Dark and Light took in over 400,000 usd in pre orders and are still trying to get it right. We hope they do as a lot of people have spent money on keys.
Both of these companies didnt offer what they promised and were both poorly run. We have taken the assets from Mourning, fixing all the bugs and redoing many of the graphics. We are going to offer a risk free trial, no credit card required. If you hate the game, then we dont want you to pay for it.
ahahah your a real funny monkey.
No your right dark and light didn't scam anyone. They just took 9,000 orders at $60 each for SoG which was intentionally falsely advertised as being a stand alone game but was really just the unfinished alpha of DnL.
there is no bigger scam than dnl. It's the king of scammy.
and ToC is gonna be the king of PvP mmog's on 2007.
don't be hatin'.
that is he is propably ToC dev.
blah Bla baddy blah blah. lets see some proof not your BS conspiricy theories.
there was an Age of Conan developer that was makin posts on the darkfall forums making fun of it a while back. funcom even said it was true.. whats your point? everyone makes fun of darkfall. no one cares
It was a while ago, but I'm pretty sure it was something like that. The Mourning devs/publicity people were horribly unprofessional, even going so far as to post IPs of people who didn't like their game on their forums, and tell people to do what they wanted to the IPs. They had a huge list of forum rules that were changed constantly, and people got their accounts banned for posting on threads after others who had broken the rules, simply because they did not report the person before them.
They promised a lot of unique features, and delivered none of them. They pretty much charged people to play the alpha. There were a few complaints about people being double charged, or even scammed completely, but there was no proof behind that.
It may or may not be a totally different team behind this game now, and I'm not going to tell anyone how to "invest" their money, but I hope everyone is extremely cautious when giving their credit card to this project, just in case.
ahahah your a real funny monkey.
No your right dark and light didn't scam anyone. They just took 9,000 orders at $60 each for SoG which was intentionally falsely advertised as being a stand alone game but was really just the unfinished alpha of DnL.
there is no bigger scam than dnl. It's the king of scammy.
and ToC is gonna be the king of PvP mmog's on 2007.
don't be hatin'.
skipped your pills today ?
ahahah your a real funny monkey.
No your right dark and light didn't scam anyone. They just took 9,000 orders at $60 each for SoG which was intentionally falsely advertised as being a stand alone game but was really just the unfinished alpha of DnL.
there is no bigger scam than dnl. It's the king of scammy.
and ToC is gonna be the king of PvP mmog's on 2007.
don't be hatin'.
Thanks for the confidence but I will be the first to admit we probably wont be the king of PVP mmos in 2007. There are many big titles coming out with much bigger budgets then we have. We just want a close community and a playable game that people will enjoy. I am a confident we can deliver that.
Actually, from what I have heard from MMORPG.COM and the old developers what Manday is saying is pretty accurate.
don't listen to these haters. they have no clue what they're talking about and just sit on internet forums all day long spreading ignorant lies and making up crap they know nothin about.
mourning is NOT thrones of chaos.. Its a completely different IP and game . they bought some art assets from a cancelled project awhile back , mainly the game world. other than that its not related at all......
and thats exactly why they've been advertising here for the last 2 months and are getting listed here again soon
http://www.thronesofchaos.com/community/showthread.php?t=384
go spread your delusional ignorant propoganda somewhere else zorvan.
mourning wasn't even removed for the reason people make up. it was removed because they requested it to be removed. it had nothing to do with scamming. If thats the case than why is Dark and Light still listed here ? theres no bigger TRUE scam than dnl was.
Different IP? lol, wtf does that prove? The facts are, it looks the same, it has same concept (lore, functions, features etc), it feels the same, mourning has gone by god knows how many name changes by now so ToC is nothing new in that sense.
And mourning was removed from MMORPG.com for the exact reasons mentioned earlier, theres propably dozens of threads about it. Oh and it was removed TWICE.
The developers of DnL didnt scam anyone, to my knowledge anyway, they just couldnt deliver what they promised. Mourning devs on the other hand lied, made threaths, insulted, scammed and so on.
And now it seems that there is this one guy with multiple accounts advertising ToC in Darkfall forums and Hypemeter with an obsession that goes far beyond of any ToC vanboi, that is he is propably ToC dev. So excuse me if im little wary when i see someone praising ToC.
The old Mourning Developers took in around 20,000 usd in pre orders, most of which were charged back. The game up to that point cost around 500,000 USD to develop in Romania. We are offering all these guys free life time accounts when Thrones of Chaos gets released.
From what I have been told, Dark and Light took in over 400,000 usd in pre orders and are still trying to get it right. We hope they do as a lot of people have spent money on keys.
Both of these companies didnt offer what they promised and were both poorly run. We have taken the assets from Mourning, fixing all the bugs and redoing many of the graphics. We are going to offer a risk free trial, no credit card required. If you hate the game, then we dont want you to pay for it.
that is thin ice mate. be careful with your statements when you represent a company.
Well, I'm sorry, but Mourning also said no money 'til the game is made and that there would be no pre-orders. Then all of a sudden they needed money for "development" and the rest is history. So, no matter how many times you make the same claims, they mean nothing until they are actual fact.
As for whether you guys are the same dev team or not, just admitting that "some" of the old team would still be around as advisors is more than enough to make me skeptical at this point. Even if they didn't leave detailed notes on the code, you should have just dumped them and redone the code without them, even though it would take longer. That's what pro developers would have done.
Which brings me to the next point. You guys at LoudAntSoftware, no matter how much you or ToCs fanboys proclaim it to be true, you are NOT pro developers. Your company didn't even exist until recently, and if anyone on the development team actually has the experience and credentials to be considered a pro developer than you should post it here, otherwise the claims can die with this thread.
Not to mention you do not seem to have anyone of any skill as far as PR and marketing, as anyone with any knowledge of Mourning would never have come out and said "We're doing Mourning again", an intelligent marketer and also devs would have waited until thaey had at least a really good working beta to show everyone when the announcement was made so people could see you actually had intentions of making a real game from this. All we have at this time is the same tired crap that Mourning ended with, plus a few pieces of animation which even on your own forums is being criticized because it is nowhere near what a state-of- the- art graphics engine should be able to handle.
In closing, all I can say is you guys need to grow some thick skins and perhaps caution your fans and/or employees to lighten up on the fanboi propaganda such as what started this thread. Because sadly, as you were told here in the beginning by the forum community, you have one hell of challenge to get any respect for this game of yours until significant changes are seen and not just talk and promises. Especially when they are the same promises made for the last incarnation of the game.
"That's what pro developers would have done."
because your a pro developer and know?
you people crack me up.
Well, I'm sorry, but Mourning also said no money 'til the game is made and that there would be no pre-orders. Then all of a sudden they needed money for "development" and the rest is history. So, no matter how many times you make the same claims, they mean nothing until they are actual fact.
As for whether you guys are the same dev team or not, just admitting that "some" of the old team would still be around as advisors is more than enough to make me skeptical at this point. Even if they didn't leave detailed notes on the code, you should have just dumped them and redone the code without them, even though it would take longer. That's what pro developers would have done.
Which brings me to the next point. You guys at LoudAntSoftware, no matter how much you or ToCs fanboys proclaim it to be true, you are NOT pro developers. Your company didn't even exist until recently, and if anyone on the development team actually has the experience and credentials to be considered a pro developer than you should post it here, otherwise the claims can die with this thread.
Not to mention you do not seem to have anyone of any skill as far as PR and marketing, as anyone with any knowledge of Mourning would never have come out and said "We're doing Mourning again", an intelligent marketer and also devs would have waited until thaey had at least a really good working beta to show everyone when the announcement was made so people could see you actually had intentions of making a real game from this. All we have at this time is the same tired crap that Mourning ended with, plus a few pieces of animation which even on your own forums is being criticized because it is nowhere near what a state-of- the- art graphics engine should be able to handle.
In closing, all I can say is you guys need to grow some thick skins and perhaps caution your fans and/or employees to lighten up on the fanboi propaganda such as what started this thread. Because sadly, as you were told here in the beginning by the forum community, you have one hell of challenge to get any respect for this game of yours until significant changes are seen and not just talk and promises. Especially when they are the same promises made for the last incarnation of the game.
I can tell you we sent all the resumes of the key people on the team to MMORPG.com. I am not sure how you would know if we are Pro Developes or not.
None of our employees are posting on this site except me. I can't control what the fans post.
That's what I would have thought if I weren't around to see it for myself. It was huge, people were posting links to Mourning forums of devs acting like children, and IRC logs. Of course, they had to be rehosted, because the Mourning devs would delete it promptly. One of the devs even went so far as to delete the whole forum once.
I know it's hard to believe, but it's the truth. I don't know if the threads are still around, but there were many on the subject, with links to IRC logs/forum posts/etc that came from the Mourning devs. It really was a disaster.
I'm not going to try to make anyone believe me any more than this. It's not my loss if anything goes wrong, I was just trying to caution those who weren't around to see what really happened.
EDIT: Sorry, forgot quote.
who gives a rats ass what the old developers did?
all these guys did was buy some art assets. christ get over it. its a completely different game.
It's like saying if a company bought a buggy game engine from someone , would you blame the company that made it or the company that bought it?
If I were these guys I wouldnt even be talking about any of this ebcause it aint even their problem. As soon as they get a publisher and release the game no noe will even question anything so wy even discuss it.
And your fanboism isn't exactly helping you hype "your" game, either. It's making you look bad, and it may even be making ToC look bad, because you're the kind of person who's hyping it. Congrats. I think you've turned more people off the game than I have.
And your fanboism isn't exactly helping you hype "your" game, either. It's making you look bad, and it may even be making ToC look bad, because you're the kind of person who's hyping it. Congrats. I think you've turned more people off the game than I have.
Well, MMORPG.COM thinks the game is being done by a different team. We have been in touch with them over the last few months. If they believe this is a new team, I would think that is pretty good "proof" we are.
They have also given me an official title on these boards.