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Bull VS Bullfighter (VIDEO)

HocheteHochete Member CommonPosts: 1,210
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Following on from my 'Lion VS Hunter' thread, I'm now posting a couple of AWSOME video's from the world of bull fighting.

I just hope this hurt..

I KNOW this did..

The guy in the first video died of his injuries (yay), the second guy just looks like he won't be reproducing (woot, no more bull fighters).

Just had to share these videos, I know alot of you out there are like me and can't stand to see such unneccessary cruelty to animals. It's just so good when they get their own back so successfully.

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  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267
    I feel bad for the horse. I also feel bad for the bull who must put up with these stupid idiots.

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253
    Fighting a cow with a sword is so manly.

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  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695

    Originally posted by Hohbein

    The guy in the first video died of his injuries (yay),

    This from the guy who said this:

    "But I can show compassion, and more importantly respect for the other creatures that inhabbit this world with me"


  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Originally posted by daeandor

    Originally posted by Hohbein

    The guy in the first video died of his injuries (yay),


    This from the guy who said this:

    "But I can show compassion, and more importantly respect for the other creatures that inhabbit this world with me"


    Well those bull fighters weren't showing any respect for the animals...so...

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  • HocheteHochete Member CommonPosts: 1,210

    Originally posted by daeandor

    Originally posted by Hohbein

    The guy in the first video died of his injuries (yay),


    This from the guy who said this:

    "But I can show compassion, and more importantly respect for the other creatures that inhabbit this world with me"


    I wouldn't consider this bull fighter to be even a creature, he's below any form of life and I have no respect at all for him, or anybody that agrees with what he does.

  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    So being a hypocrite is not a problem for you I see.  So let me get this straight, if you judge a human to be of a lower order of lifeform than another animal, it is okay to celebrate that human's death.  Oh yeah, you obviously are the compassionate one on these boards.


  • PibblePibble Member Posts: 285

    I hate bullfighting, or rodeos. I only like it when the animals are winning. I love animals, and would never hurt them, or irritate them. They have feelings too...

    I'm not vega, that's because it's allright to eat animals, that's nature, lions eat deers and stuff, we eat cows, piggs and chicken, and more. But the way they threat the animals, is soooo bad. Little cages and stuff, they need to have a good life, then they taste better.

    Hope you guys learn from this, lol.

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  • HocheteHochete Member CommonPosts: 1,210

    Originally posted by daeandor
    So being a hypocrite is not a problem for you I see.  So let me get this straight, if you judge a human to be of a lower order of lifeform than another animal, it is okay to celebrate that human's death.  Oh yeah, you obviously are the compassionate one on these boards.


    If I were a hypocrite, I would have said at some point that I have no problem with unfair cruelty toward animals. It'd be great if you could let me know when exactly I said that.

    Compassion isn't limitless. I would show as much compassion toward a bull fighter as I would a murderer or rapist, because in my mind they both share the same disrespect for other life and as such, aren't fit to be shown any compassion.

  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    You said it in your Lion vs Hunter thread.  Essentially you were stating that if someone kills without a purpose that you recognize as acceptable, they have no compassion.  Of course, you get the final say as to what circumstances are acceptable, which I disagree with.

  • HocheteHochete Member CommonPosts: 1,210

    Originally posted by daeandor
    You said it in your Lion vs Hunter thread.  Essentially you were stating that if someone kills without a purpose that you recognize as acceptable, they have no compassion.  Of course, you get the final say as to what circumstances are acceptable, which I disagree with.


    If I said it in my Lion VS Hunter thread, quote it. I don't remember stating that I have no problem with cruelty to animals. I did say that hunting without a purpose does convey a lack of compassion, I never once said that I'd have compassion for them now, did I?

  • CowinspaceCowinspace Member Posts: 671
    What most people don't realise about bullfights is its not a quick kill. The bull is run into the ground, stabbed repeatedly until it can barely stand. The Matadors (or whatever they are called in spain or elsewhere) only stop taunting the animals when they fall over dead (or as near as dammit).

    This is one of the few 'sports' where everyone (and I mean everyone) that participates in or defends should be made to die a slow, lingering, painful death. There is no reason to do it, none at all.


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  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695

    Originally posted by Hohbein

    If I said it in my Lion VS Hunter thread, quote it. I don't remember stating that I have no problem with cruelty to animals. I did say that hunting without a purpose does convey a lack of compassion, I never once said that I'd have compassion for them now, did I?



    I did quote you originally.  If you don't remember what you wrote, you can read it again yourself.

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    here is the thread for you

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92729
  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Originally posted by daeandor
    You said it in your Lion vs Hunter thread.  Essentially you were stating that if someone kills without a purpose that you recognize as acceptable, they have no compassion.  Of course, you get the final say as to what circumstances are acceptable, which I disagree with.
    Daeander wtf are you talking about? Do you like bull fighting or not? You're from texas so I bet you enjoy rodeo, right? Just come out and say it if you must.

    I don't know what the hell he said about compassion but when people are not compassionate to the suffering animals, then for the most part compassion goes out the door for the suffering human.

    Maybe you enjoy cruel-animal-entertainment, so you don't see what's wrong with it.

    btw your link doesn't work.

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  • HocheteHochete Member CommonPosts: 1,210

    Originally posted by AlexAmore

    Originally posted by daeandor
    You said it in your Lion vs Hunter thread.  Essentially you were stating that if someone kills without a purpose that you recognize as acceptable, they have no compassion.  Of course, you get the final say as to what circumstances are acceptable, which I disagree with.
    Daeander wtf are you talking about? Do you like bull fighting or not? You're from texas so I bet you enjoy rodeo, right? Just come out and say it if you must.

    I don't know what the hell he said about compassion but when people are not compassionate to the suffering animals, then for the most part compassion goes out the door for the suffering human.

    Maybe you enjoy cruel-animal-entertainment, so you don't see what's wrong with it.

    btw your link doesn't work.
    All I said about compassion was that I can feel compassion toward the other creatures that inhabbit the planet with me. I said nothing about showing compassion to people that enjoy causing suffering to such animals. Deandor is just being argumentative without a real argument behind him.
  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    No.  Neither of you get it.  In one thread you have Hohbein stating that he is a compassionate person.  In the next thread he says "yay" at the death of another human.  If you can't see anything wrong with that, then so be it, but I will try to explain.

    The bottom line is that Hobhein feels that anyone who does not agree with his stance on "animal cruelty" is subhuman and deserves a similar fate as an animal killed in cruel way.  The funny thing is that animals technically are subhuman, but yet he does not want a cruel death for them.  Do you see the duplicity?

    If he were true to his compassionate nature, he would say something like, "I would not even wish that kind of death to a person who committed such a cruel act."  But he does not.  So, I say he is not a compassionate person, but rather a facade here on the forums trying to create arguments where he can claim a moral high ground he himself does not even uphold.  That is is hypocrisy and duplicity.


  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Originally posted by daeandor
    No.  Neither of you get it.  In one thread you have Hohbein stating that he is a compassionate person.  In the next thread he says "yay" at the death of another human.  If you can't see anything wrong with that, then so be it, but I will try to explain.

    The bottom line is that Hobhein feels that anyone who does not agree with his stance on "animal cruelty" is subhuman and deserves a similar fate as an animal killed in cruel way.  The funny thing is that animals technically are subhuman, but yet he does not want a cruel death for them.  Do you see the duplicity?
    Just because an animal is different than the animal called "human", does not mean the human should be allowed to take advantage of the other animal and use that animal for cruel entertainment. "Subhuman" is an opinion btw, it means they are less than us.

    If he were true to his compassionate nature, he would say something like, "I would not even wish that kind of death to a person who committed such a cruel act."
    On the otherhand Hohbein would say "Maybe this ought to teach those idiots to stop fucking around with mother nature. It hurts the humans and the animals."
    But he does not.  So, I say he is not a compassionate person, but rather a facade here on the forums trying to create arguments where he can claim a moral high ground he himself does not even uphold.  That is is hypocrisy and duplicity.

    Your problem is you degrade animals and feel you are superior, therefore it is ok to do whatever one wants to animals and still be a morally higher human being.

    I see that you quoted "animal cruelty" as though it really wasn't cruel. How would you feel being the horse beaten over by a bull, or the bull being stabbed? Would you enjoy being forced to the center of that kind of "entertainment", instead of your natural habitat?

    What is "animal cruelty" in your opinion? How bad must it be?

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  • abbabaabbaba Member Posts: 1,143


    Whatever happened to cultural acceptance and understanding?

    Spanish Bullfighting is a holdover from the games in the Roman Colliseum. You need to understand the Roman Empire, indeed the whole world before the medical revolution of the 20th century.

    People died every day, often very young and for no reason. Death was a very common thing. Life was nasty, brutal, and short. Most people slaughtered animals themselves for food. In those circumstances, killing a bull for ritualized entertainment was hardly shocking.

    Take off your damned rose colored goggles and see things as they are, and were. Animals fight and kill each other all the time in nature. Every watch the Discovery Channel? The world isn't a magical, sparkling fairy tale where Disney characters dance and sing.

     We went from watching PEOPLE die for entertainment in Roman times to bullfighting today. Bullfighting is a part of Spanish history, and if they have to kill some bulls to preserve their traditions and culture then so be it.

    And if you think animals have the same rights or are in anyway equal to humans you're nuts.





  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

    Originally posted by AlexAmore
    Just because an animal is different than the animal called "human", does not mean the human should be allowed to take advantage of the other animal and use that animal for cruel entertainment. "Subhuman" is an opinion btw, it means they are less than us.
    Last time I checked Humans were on Top of the Food chain hench other animals are subhuman... Humans by science are also the smartest animals on the planet So therefore other animals are also subhuman.... And I CAN SWEar i read some people in the hunter vs lion thread saying that If they were hunting with just bare hands or a sword then it would be fair....

    I dont think animal cruelty is right but i for dang sure know that praising the fact that someone died is wrong.... I'm sure everyone in here has done something at some point in their life that was probably worth death to someone somewhere else... But i wouldn't want or wish death upon any of you... You guys are living breathing people with a family and friends and dependants... I could never say "yay" when a person dies... No matter who it is... Because you know what You never know what a person is or has gone through.

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  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Originally posted by methane47

    Originally posted by AlexAmore
    Just because an animal is different than the animal called "human", does not mean the human should be allowed to take advantage of the other animal and use that animal for cruel entertainment. "Subhuman" is an opinion btw, it means they are less than us.
    Last time I checked Humans were on Top of the Food chain hench other animals are subhuman... Humans by science are also the smartest animals on the planet So therefore other animals are also subhuman.... And I CAN SWEar i read some people in the hunter vs lion thread saying that If they were hunting with just bare hands or a sword then it would be fair....
    It doesn't matter if we are smarter, because that doesn't mean "better". Men can beat the crap out of most woman, men are top of the food chain...does that mean men are better than woman? Black people are better at sports...does that mean black people are better than white people? You're taking a characteristic and then concluding that must mean we are better than other animals.

    I dont think animal cruelty is right but i for dang sure know that praising the fact that someone died is wrong.... I'm sure everyone in here has done something at some point in their life that was probably worth death to someone somewhere else... But i wouldn't want or wish death upon any of you... You guys are living breathing people with a family and friends and dependants
    Those Bulls and horses (and all the other poor animals) are also living breathing animals with family, friends, and dependents. They are then stolen from their environment and forced into slavery. Hmm kinda sounds like when we stole Africans from Africa and forced them into slavery.
    ... I could never say "yay" when a person dies... No matter who it is... Because you know what You never know what a person is or has gone through.



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  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

    Originally posted by AlexAmore
    It doesn't matter if we are smarter, because that doesn't mean "better". Men can beat the crap out of most woman, men are top of the food chain...does that mean men are better than woman? Black people are better at sports...does that mean black people are better than white people? You're taking a characteristic and then concluding that must mean we are better than other animals.

    Lions and Tigers and Gorrillas and Sharks dont seem to care too much about the animals they kill... I bet they think they're better than the little babies they eat all day.. I'm not taking a characteristic... It's just the way the world works... A human kills an animal for food it's A o.k. An animal kills a human for food... Humans go back and kill the animal... So much for all animals being equal...

    Those Bulls and horses (and all the other poor animals) are also living breathing animals with family, friends, and dependents. They are then stolen from their environment and forced into slavery. Hmm kinda sounds like when we stole Africans from Africa and forced them into slavery.

    Ya sure... having a pet is alot like slavery as well... I hope you never had a pet... Forcing your animal to Sit, stand, shake, rollover... WTF... Thats some mean crap... The animal isn't even allowed to take a piss where ever they want... You give them no control over their lives... and about a year after their born you force them to get their balls chopped off or their ovaries removed... So much for Equality for All animals...

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  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Originally posted by methane47

    Originally posted by AlexAmore
    It doesn't matter if we are smarter, because that doesn't mean "better". Men can beat the crap out of most woman, men are top of the food chain...does that mean men are better than woman? Black people are better at sports...does that mean black people are better than white people? You're taking a characteristic and then concluding that must mean we are better than other animals.

    Lions and Tigers and Gorrillas and Sharks dont seem to care too much about the animals they kill... I bet they think they're better than the little babies they eat all day..
    Oh c'mon. We humans kill eachother and kill babies and kill woman all the time. It's called war and it's stupid.
     I'm not taking a characteristic... It's just the way the world works... A human kills an animal for food it's A o.k. An animal kills a human for food... Humans go back and kill the animal... So much for all animals being equal...
    Equal, as in biologically speaking. If you think fighting it out means showing who is better, then you maybe you should join Fight Club or something, and show who is the best person in the world. So I guess Mr. Universe is a better person than you because he can kill you methane?

    Those Bulls and horses (and all the other poor animals) are also living breathing animals with family, friends, and dependents. They are then stolen from their environment and forced into slavery. Hmm kinda sounds like when we stole Africans from Africa and forced them into slavery.

    Ya sure... having a pet is alot like slavery as well... I hope you never had a pet...
    I've only had two pets and I saved them both from abusive owners.
    Forcing your animal to Sit, stand, shake, rollover... WTF... Thats some mean crap...
    I don't do that.
    The animal isn't even allowed to take a piss where ever they want...
    I let her out and run her and she can go piss wherever she must.
     You give them no control over their lives... and about a year after their born you force them to get their balls chopped off or their ovaries removed...
    They do it because the dog is more resistant to cancer and infections, and because if they reproduce then that means more dogs going to the shelter.
     So much for Equality for All animals...
              All I am saying about is that animals don't deserve to be beaten and abused for entertainment. You can say all you want about animals being inferior but you're coming from an extremely biased viewpoint and i'm sure all animals feel they are superior. I'm looking at this objectively.




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  • OneMuslimOneMuslim Member Posts: 426
    This is called torturing, it is prohibited in my religion, you can only kill an animal for food, period, these people will face a great punishment equal or more to their doings.
  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,050
    Alex, I tend to agree with you, but saving a pet from an abusive owner doesn't mean it's not a slave. That's like moving to a better slave owner. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I own a Chinese Pug and a tabby cat, both of which are great pets, but don't try to act like you don't treat your pets as inferiors. If you make them go outside to piss, you see them as lower than you.
    Laughing the death of any being is fucked up.
    What am I arguing? Fuck it.


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  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Originally posted by modjoe86
    Alex, I tend to agree with you, but saving a pet from an abusive owner doesn't mean it's not a slave. That's like moving to a better slave owner. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I own a Chinese Pug and a tabby cat, both of which are great pets, but don't try to act like you don't treat your pets as inferiors.
    That must mean i'm a slave to my Mom and Dad then (there is no difference in how we treat our dogs, because we are the "parents"). I do treat my pets like they are in my family because I love them and play with them (fetch), and I can tell they are happy (lick kisses, tail wagging). You could say they are forced and never asked to be a part of my family but it's the same thing as adopting a baby.
     If you make them go outside to piss, you see them as lower than you.
    My Dog's highlights of the day is when we go outside. We play fetch, we exercise, and we travel in the car (she loves it). At some point she goes to take a piss.
    Laughing the death of any being is fucked up.
    Well, I never laughed.
    What am I arguing? Fuck it.

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  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,050

    Originally posted by AlexAmore

    Originally posted by modjoe86
    Alex, I tend to agree with you, but saving a pet from an abusive owner doesn't mean it's not a slave. That's like moving to a better slave owner. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I own a Chinese Pug and a tabby cat, both of which are great pets, but don't try to act like you don't treat your pets as inferiors.
    That must mean i'm a slave to my Mom and Dad then (there is no difference in how we treat our dogs, because we are the "parents"). I do treat my pets like they are in my family because I love them and play with them (fetch), and I can tell they are happy (lick kisses, tail wagging). You could say they are forced and never asked to be a part of my family but it's the same thing as adopting a baby.
     If you make them go outside to piss, you see them as lower than you.
    My Dog's highlights of the day is when we go outside. We play fetch, we exercise, and we travel in the car (she loves it). At some point she goes to take a piss.
    Laughing the death of any being is fucked up.
    Well, I never laughed.
    What am I arguing? Fuck it.

    Well good, the black woman that cooks my pancakes every morning is a new pet. <3 Jemima.
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