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French Army to Market 'Ultimate Surrender' Video Game

outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

Paris - Inspired by the commercial success of the United States Army’s "Boot Camp" video game, the General Staff of the French Army has announced plans to market "Ultimate Surrender," a video game based upon the proud military traditions of the Gauls.

In the game we follow the exploits of Lucky Pierre, an apprentice garlic salesman from Marseilles, as he joins the French Army and begins a rigorous course of combat training. The First Level of the game is called "Survival School," and the players have to help Lucky Pierre survive 24 hours without red wine or crème brulé. The Second Level is "Capitulation," and the goal here is to see which player can have Lucky Pierre surrender the fastest without firing a shot or getting his uniform dirty. Level Three is "Collaboration." Here the players battle to see who can collect the largest numbers of pairs of nylon stockings and packages of chocolates by having Lucky Pierre perform sexual favors for members of the occupying forces. Level Four is "Be Ungrateful to America for Rescuing Your Sorry French Ass Once Again." In this extremely challenging part of the game contestants vie with one another to see who can make Lucky Pierre behave in the surliest manner when the United States inevitably comes to the rescue of the defeated French. The Final Level is "Pretending to Have Been in the Resistance." Here contestants compete in a battle of tall tales and whoppers as they try to protect Lucky Pierre from treason charges.

Marketing tests show that "Ultimate Surrender" is a big hit with French teenagers and young adults who are too young to have experienced France’s lightening surrender to the Germans in 1940 or its defeat by the Vietnamese in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu. "Zees is a great tool to inspire ze patriotism in ze youths, n’est ce pas?" said General Jean-Jacques Loseur, Commander-in-Chief of the French Army, during his weekly press conference. "Since ze end of ze Cold War we French have not had many opportunities to surrender or to show great cowardice in the face of much weaker opponents."

When questioned about comments made in the French Chamber of Deputies that "Ultimate Surrender" makes the French Army look like a bunch of gutless mama’s boys, General Loseur pulled out a white handkerchief, put his hands over his head and said, "Oh heck, I give up."

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  • WakizashiWakizashi Member Posts: 893

    Apprentic garlic salesman

    ROFL

    We will shzow zem who are zee frogs no?  UH HO HO HO!

  • MeonMeon Member Posts: 993


    Originally posted by outfctrl
    Paris - Inspired by the commercial success of the United States Army’s "Boot Camp" video game, the General Staff of the French Army has announced plans to market "Ultimate Surrender," a video game based upon the proud military traditions of the Gauls.
    In the game we follow the exploits of Lucky Pierre, an apprentice garlic salesman from Marseilles, as he joins the French Army and begins a rigorous course of combat training. The First Level of the game is called "Survival School," and the players have to help Lucky Pierre survive 24 hours without red wine or crème brulé. The Second Level is "Capitulation," and the goal here is to see which player can have Lucky Pierre surrender the fastest without firing a shot or getting his uniform dirty. Level Three is "Collaboration." Here the players battle to see who can collect the largest numbers of pairs of nylon stockings and packages of chocolates by having Lucky Pierre perform sexual favors for members of the occupying forces. Level Four is "Be Ungrateful to America for Rescuing Your Sorry French Ass Once Again." In this extremely challenging part of the game contestants vie with one another to see who can make Lucky Pierre behave in the surliest manner when the United States inevitably comes to the rescue of the defeated French. The Final Level is "Pretending to Have Been in the Resistance." Here contestants compete in a battle of tall tales and whoppers as they try to protect Lucky Pierre from treason charges.
    Marketing tests show that "Ultimate Surrender" is a big hit with French teenagers and young adults who are too young to have experienced France’s lightening surrender to the Germans in 1940 or its defeat by the Vietnamese in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu. "Zees is a great tool to inspire ze patriotism in ze youths, n’est ce pas?" said General Jean-Jacques Loseur, Commander-in-Chief of the French Army, during his weekly press conference. "Since ze end of ze Cold War we French have not had many opportunities to surrender or to show great cowardice in the face of much weaker opponents."
    When questioned about comments made in the French Chamber of Deputies that "Ultimate Surrender" makes the French Army look like a bunch of gutless mama’s boys, General Loseur pulled out a white handkerchief, put his hands over his head and said, "Oh heck, I give up."

    I don't know if i should call this funny or just plain anti french...

  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079
    I would go with the latter....

    I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.

  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217


    Originally posted by Meon


    Originally posted by outfctrl
    Paris - Inspired by the commercial success of the United States Army’s "Boot Camp" video game, the General Staff of the French Army has announced plans to market "Ultimate Surrender," a video game based upon the proud military traditions of the Gauls.
    In the game we follow the exploits of Lucky Pierre, an apprentice garlic salesman from Marseilles, as he joins the French Army and begins a rigorous course of combat training. The First Level of the game is called "Survival School," and the players have to help Lucky Pierre survive 24 hours without red wine or crème brulé. The Second Level is "Capitulation," and the goal here is to see which player can have Lucky Pierre surrender the fastest without firing a shot or getting his uniform dirty. Level Three is "Collaboration." Here the players battle to see who can collect the largest numbers of pairs of nylon stockings and packages of chocolates by having Lucky Pierre perform sexual favors for members of the occupying forces. Level Four is "Be Ungrateful to America for Rescuing Your Sorry French Ass Once Again." In this extremely challenging part of the game contestants vie with one another to see who can make Lucky Pierre behave in the surliest manner when the United States inevitably comes to the rescue of the defeated French. The Final Level is "Pretending to Have Been in the Resistance." Here contestants compete in a battle of tall tales and whoppers as they try to protect Lucky Pierre from treason charges.
    Marketing tests show that "Ultimate Surrender" is a big hit with French teenagers and young adults who are too young to have experienced France’s lightening surrender to the Germans in 1940 or its defeat by the Vietnamese in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu. "Zees is a great tool to inspire ze patriotism in ze youths, n’est ce pas?" said General Jean-Jacques Loseur, Commander-in-Chief of the French Army, during his weekly press conference. "Since ze end of ze Cold War we French have not had many opportunities to surrender or to show great cowardice in the face of much weaker opponents."
    When questioned about comments made in the French Chamber of Deputies that "Ultimate Surrender" makes the French Army look like a bunch of gutless mama’s boys, General Loseur pulled out a white handkerchief, put his hands over his head and said, "Oh heck, I give up."

    I don't know if i should call this funny or just plain anti french...


    It's plain anti french. =)

    No longer visiting MMORPG.com.

  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079

    I saw an advertisement for WWII vintage Italian rifles for sale….Only dropped once!

    I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.

  • Vertex1980Vertex1980 Member Posts: 951
    Oh come on, it's funny though.

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  • honzolohonzolo Member Posts: 321
    LOL, I found it funny AND anti-French (which by its very nature is funny).
  • MeonMeon Member Posts: 993


    Originally posted by honzolo
    LOL, I found it funny AND anti-French (which by its very nature is funny).

    I live 400 km north of Paris...
    Trust me... They make alot of anti American jokes there too...

    Oh wait, that gives me an excuse to laugh :)
    Ok, i admit, it's funny ::::20::

  • JackcoltJackcolt Member UncommonPosts: 2,170
    Lol !! That's so funny! Laughed out loud.

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  • honzolohonzolo Member Posts: 321


    Originally posted by Meon


    Originally posted by honzolo
    LOL, I found it funny AND anti-French (which by its very nature is funny).

    I live 400 km north of Paris...
    Trust me... They make alot of anti American jokes there too...

    Oh wait, that gives me an excuse to laugh :)
    Ok, i admit, it's funny ::::20::


     Hehe, exactly. I think we're all grown up enough that we can take it. Canadians make fun of us here in the States all the time and vice versa. C'est la vie.
  • HocheteHochete Member CommonPosts: 1,210

    rofl, hillarious and VERY true. God I hate the french.

  • DinivanDinivan Member Posts: 91


    rofl, hillarious and VERY true. God I hate the french.

    Written by an american:


    The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like "I Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military history, supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If you want to see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this:

    www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

    Well, I'm going to tell you guys something you probably don't want to hear: these sites are total bullshit, the notion that the French are cowards is total bullshit, and anybody who knows anything about European military history knows damn well that over the past thousand years, the French have the most glorious military history in Europe, maybe the world.

    Before you send me more of those death threats, let me finish. I hate Chirac too, and his disco foreign minister with the blow-dry 'do and the snotty smile. But there are two things I hate more than I hate the French: ignorant fake war buffs, and people who are ungrateful. And when an American mouths off about French military history, he's not just being ignorant, he's being ungrateful. I was raised to think ungrateful people were trash.

    When I say ungrateful, I'm talking about the American Revolution. If you're a true American patriot, then this is the war that matters. Hell, most of you probably couldn't name three major battles from it, but try going back to when you read Johnny Tremaine in fourth grade and you might recall a little place called Yorktown, Virginia, where we bottled up Cornwallis's army, forced the Brits' surrender and pretty much won the war.

    Well, news flash: "we" didn't win that battle, any more than the Northern Alliance conquered the Taliban. The French army and navy won Yorktown for us. Americans didn't have the materiel or the training to mount a combined operation like that, with naval blockade and land siege. It was the French artillery forces and military engineers who ran the siege, and at sea it was a French admiral, de Grasse, who kicked the shit out of the British navy when they tried to break the siege.

    Long before that, in fact as soon as we showed the Brits at Saratoga that we could win once in a while, they started pouring in huge shipments of everything from cannon to uniforms. We'd never have got near Yorktown if it wasn't for massive French aid.

    So how come you bastards don't mention Yorktown in your cheap webpages? I'll tell you why: because you're too ignorant to know about it and too dishonest to mention it if you did.

    The thing that gets to me is why Americans hate the French so much when they only did us good and never did us any harm. Like, why not hate the Brits? They're the ones who killed thousands of Americans in the Revolution, and thirty years later they came back and attacked us again. That time around they managed to burn Washington DC to the ground while they were at it. How come you web jerks never mention that?

    Sure, the easy answer is because the Brits are with us now, and the French aren't. But being a war buff means knowing your history and respecting it.

    Well, so much for ungrateful. Now let's talk about ignorant. And that's what you are if you think the French can't fight: just plain ignorant. Appreciation of the French martial spirit is just about the most basic way you can distinguish real war nerds from fake little teachers'pets.

    Let's take the toughest case first: the German invasion, 1940, when the French Army supposedly disgraced itself against the Wehrmacht. This is the only real evidence you'll find to call the French cowards, and the more you know about it, the less it proves. Yeah, the French were scared of Hitler. Who wasn't? Chamberlain, the British prime minister, all but licked the Fuhrer's goosesteppers, basically let him have all of Central Europe, because Britain was terrified of war with Germany. Hell, Stalin signed a sweetheart deal with Hitler out of sheer terror, and Stalin wasn't a man who scared easy.
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    The French were scared, all right. But they had reason to be. For starters, they'd barely begun to recover from their last little scrap with the Germans: a little squabble you might've heard of, called WW I.

    WW I was the worst war in history to be a soldier in. WW II was worse if you were a civilian, but the trenches of WW I were five years of Hell like General Sherman never dreamed of. At the end of it a big chunk of northern France looked like the surface of the moon, only bloodier, nothing but craters and rats and entrails.

    Verdun. Just that name was enough to make Frenchmen and Germans, the few who survived it, wake up yelling for years afterward. The French lost 1.5 million men out of a total population of 40 million fighting the Germans from 1914-1918. A lot of those guys died charging German machine-gun nests with bayonets. I'd really like to see one of you office smartasses joke about "surrender monkeys" with a French soldier, 1914 vintage. You'd piss your dockers.

    Shit, we strut around like we're so tough and we can't even handle a few uppity Iraqi villages. These guys faced the Germans head on for five years, and we call them cowards? And at the end, it was the Germans, not the French, who said "calf rope."

    When the sequel war came, the French relied on their frontier fortifications and used their tanks (which were better than the Germans', one on one) defensively. The Germans had a newer, better offensive strategy. So they won. And the French surrendered. Which was damn sensible of them.

    This was the WEHRMACHT. In two years, they conquered all of Western Europe and lost only 30,000 troops in the process. That's less than the casualties of Gettysburg. You get the picture? Nobody, no army on earth, could've held off the Germans under the conditions that the French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land border with Germany. The English survived because they had the English Channel between them and the Wehrmacht. When the English Army faced the Wermacht at Dunkirk, well, thanks to spin the tuck-tail-and-flee result got turned into some heroic tale of a brilliant British retreat. The fact is, even the Brits behaved like cowards in the face of the Wermacht, abandoning the French. It's that simple.

    Here's a quick sampler of some of my favorite French victories, like an antidote to those ignorant websites. We'll start way back and move up to the 20th century.

    Tours, 732 AD: The Muslims had already taken Spain and were well on their way to taking the rest of Europe. The only power with a chance of stopping them was the French army under Charles "the Hammer" Martel, King of the Franks (French), who answered to the really cool nickname "the Hammer of God." It was the French who saved the continent's ass. All the smart money was on the Muslims: there were 60,000 of them, crazy Jihadis whose cavalry was faster and deadlier than any in Europe. The French army was heavily outnumbered and had no cavalry. Fighting in phalanxes, they held against dozens of cavalry charges and after at least two days of hand-to-hand combat, finally managed to hack their way to the Muslim center and kill their commander. The Muslims retreated to Spain, and Europe developed as an independent civilization.

    Orleans, May 1429: Joan of Arc: is she the most insanely cool military commander in history or what? This French peasant girl gets instructions from her favorite saints to help out the French against the English invaders. She goes to the King (well, the Dauphin, but close enough) and tells him to give her the army and she'll take it from there. And somehow she convinces him. She takes the army, which has lost every battle it's been in lately, to Orleans, which is under English siege. Now Joan is a nice girl, so she tries to settle things peaceably. She explains in a letter to the enemy commanders that everything can still be cool, "...provided you give up France...and go back to your own countries, for God's sake. And if you do not, wait for the Maid, who will visit you briefly to your great sorrow." The next day she put on armor, mounted a charger, and prepared to lead the attack on the besiegers' fortifications. She ordered the gates opened, but the Mayor refused until Joan explained that she, personally, would cut off his head. The gates went up, the French sallied out, and Joan led the first successful attack they'd made in years. The English strongpoints were taken, the siege was broken, and Joan's career in the cow-milking trade was over.

    Braddock's Defeat (aka Battle of Monongahela) July 1755: Next time you're driving through the Ohio Valley, remember you're passing near the site of a great French victory over an Anglo-American force twice its size. General Edward Braddock marched west from Virginia with 1,500 men -- a very large army in 18th-c. America. His orders were to seize French land and forts in the Valley -- your basic undeclared land-grab invasion. The French joined the local tribes to resist, and then set up a classic ambush. It was a slaughter. More than half of Braddock's force -- 880 men -- were killed or wounded. The only Anglo officer to escape unhurt was this guy called George Washington, and even he had two horses shot out from under him. After a few minutes of non-stop fire from French and Indians hidden in the woods, Braddock's command came apart like something out of Nam, post-Tet. Braddock was hit and wounded, but none of his troops would risk getting shot to rescue him.

    Austerlitz, Dec. 1805: You always hear about Austerlitz as "Napoleon's Greatest Victory," like the little guy personally went out and wiped out the combined Russian and Austrian armies. The fact is, ever since the Revolution in 1789, French armies had been kicking ass against everybody. They were free citizens fighting against scared peasant and degenerate mercenaries, and it was no contest. At Austerlitz, 65,000 French troops took on 90,000 Russians and Austrians and destroyed them. Absolutely annihilated them. The French lost only 8,000, compared to 29,000 of the enemy. The tactics Bonaparte used were very risky, and would only have worked with superb troops: he encouraged the enemy to attack a weak line, then brought up reinforcements who'd been held out of sight. That kind of tactical plan takes iron discipline and perfect timing -- and the French had it.

    Jena, Oct. 1806: just a quick reminder for anybody who thinks the Germans always beat the French. Napoleon takes on the Prussian army and destroys it. 27,000 Prussian casualties vs. 5,000 French. Prussian army routed, pursued for miles by French cavalry.

    You might want to remember that the French under Napoleon are still the only army ever to have taken all of continental Europe, from Moscow to Madrid. I could keep listing French victories till I had a book. In fact, it's not a bad idea. A nice big hardback, so you could take it to the assholes running all the anti-French-military sites and bash their heads in with it.


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  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

    Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when NOT led by a Frenchman."

    Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars -- when fighting Italians.

    Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

    Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

    War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flower pots as chapeaux.

    The Dutch War - Tied.

    War of the Augsburg League / King William's War / French and Indian War -Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

    War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

    American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

    French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

    The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

    The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

    World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

    World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

    War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.

    Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

    War Against Greenpeace - Lost. 1985, the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior  prepares to sail for Moruroa Atoll for a major campaign against French nuclear testing. Agents of the DGSE [secret service] bomb and sink the ship in Auckland Harbor. I tree-hugger sans tree drowns. Six weeks later agents Prieur and Mafart  plead guilty to charges of manslaughter and willful damage. They get sentences of 10 years and 7 years.  French Prime Minister Fabius admits to state terrorism on TV.

    War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in
    a McDonald's.

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  • DinivanDinivan Member Posts: 91


    Yep outfctrl, this is an example of bullshit written by stupid people. I recommend you and anyone who cares about knowing the truth to go here and look for those wars mentioned (thirty years' war "tied"? war of devolution "tied"? dutch war "tied"?... etc) and for all the wars not mentioned because they were won by France ;)
    And before you say anything about wikipedia, I think it's far better to trust in it than trusting in webpages like the one you quoted, don't you think? And if you don't trust the article, look for the books used as references, they are there for that.




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  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619


    Originally posted by Dinivan
    Yep outfctrl, this is an example of bullshit written by stupid people. I recommend you and anyone who cares about knowing the truth to go here and look for those wars mentioned (thirty years' war "tied"? war of devolution "tied"? dutch war "tied"?... etc) and for all the wars not mentioned because they were won by France ;)
    And before you say anything about wikipedia, I think it's far better to trust in it than trusting in webpages like the one you quoted, don't you think? And if you don't trust the article, look for the books used as references, they are there for that.


    Its all in jest.  I am sure there is allot of stuff on the US too.  I would never desire harm to anyone.  I have just been feeling a little rightwing lately.  I am sorry if I offended anyone, if I did, I apologize.

    I wont post this junk anymore.  To all the french on here.....again, I apologize.

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  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457

    Partypooper that I am I find no amusement in this. In fact I find it pretty disgraceful, French soldiers have been and are currently risking their lives for your country for no gain and very possible terrorist reprisals in their homelands, and you insist on mocking them for cowardice.

  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    Well, this could have been a fun thread if it hadn't turned into a flame / bash-fest.

  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    I was just messing around.   I cracked up when I saw that spoof game, then I went overboard on french bashing.  My bad. 

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  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    Let's take the toughest case first: the German invasion, 1940, when the French Army supposedly disgraced itself against the Wehrmacht. This is the only real evidence you'll find to call the French cowards, and the more you know about it, the less it proves. Yeah, the French were scared of Hitler. Who wasn't? Chamberlain, the British prime minister, all but licked the Fuhrer's goosesteppers, basically let him have all of Central Europe, because Britain was terrified of war with Germany. Hell, Stalin signed a sweetheart deal with Hitler out of sheer terror, and Stalin wasn't a man who scared easy.
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    The French were scared, all right. But they had reason to be. For starters, they'd barely begun to recover from their last little scrap with the Germans: a little squabble you might've heard of, called WW I.

    ......



    I call bullshit. Maybe whoever wrote it should have done some real research into this? Rather than posting useless arguments based on spin? Chamberlain was not scared of the man, he was doing what any sane politician in the British position at the time would have done. Germany was out number one trading partner. It's not a good idea to put trade sanctions on your trade partner now, is it? And aside from invasion, this was the only real threat toward Germany that the League could impose. Also, America would not have respected the trade sanctions - they never did - and it would have been pointless. Also Britain was not terrified - we were being realistic. Our forces were still recovering from WWI, and more importantly, our economy was awful because of the 1929 Crash (another reason NOT to blockade your best trade partner). If we were scared of Hitler, why on God's earth would we send hundreds of thousands of soldiers into a war that - if we stayed out of - would only have benefitted us? Another reason not to blockade of course was that it would CLEARLY drive the Germans either into all-out war, or into rebellion because of their political situation at the time. Stalin was not scared by Hitler. That idea made me giggle... Lots... Try and understand how politicians desiring expansion work. Hitler promised him a half of Poland as well as several other countries he was set to conquer if the USSR did not raise arms against them.  Yes, the French WERE scared of the Germans, and of Hitler (both individually). They had actually recovered reasonably well - the Maginot Line (sp?) was the most substancial border defense ever established at the time, and the Germans knew it was impenetrable. The problem was, the french were too damn stupid in estimating German intentions, and only thought of themselves when building the Line, leaving themselves open to attack through the lands NE of them.



    When the sequel war came, the French relied on their frontier fortifications and used their tanks (which were better than the Germans', one on one) defensively. The Germans had a newer, better offensive strategy. So they won. And the French surrendered. Which was damn sensible of them.

    This was the WEHRMACHT. In two years, they conquered all of Western Europe and lost only 30,000 troops in the process. That's less than the casualties of Gettysburg. You get the picture? Nobody, no army on earth, could've held off the Germans under the conditions that the French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land border with Germany. The English survived because they had the English Channel between them and the Wehrmacht. When the English Army faced the Wermacht at Dunkirk, well, thanks to spin the tuck-tail-and-flee result got turned into some heroic tale of a brilliant British retreat. The fact is, even the Brits behaved like cowards in the face of the Wermacht, abandoning the French. It's that simple.



    As said, their frontier fortifications were non-existant in the area that the Germans Blitzkrieg'd. Their tanks were no better than the German Tigers or the British/American Grants in fact... The Russians also had an equivalent, but I forget the name of it... T-51 or something like that... They were all pretty much equal, with different weaknesses (the french of course having the problem of having 2 forward gears and 5 reverse.... ;) ) The Germans offensive strategy was nothing special, EXCEPT for the fact that the French left themselves open to it. If they'd tried the same tactic on the Maginot Line... You know when you throw an apple at a wall... It woulda looked something like that...

    They conquered all of Western Europe so fast because they were conquering countries with tiny populations/standing militaries who had no chance to survive such an attack. As said, had they tried the same tactic on a properly defended country, it would never have worked. The French couldn't hold them off because of their own ineffective defensive strategies. They could have done a fair bit more than they did in fact though. Had they held the Germans off for another month or two - easily possible if they had actually stood up and fought instead of letting the Germans waltz into Paris - then the British would have been able to re-enter and open a front at the north or at least have been prepared to face the Luftwaffe.

    The English army did not 'face' the Wehrmacht at Dunkirk, we had withdrawn to there pending pick-up. It was priorly arranged. It was not a battle that went bad. The Germans were in fact commiting war crimes there, firing on unarmed and withdrawing soldiers. The beaches were total carnage thanks to mass bombing and shelling of unarmed troops. It was agreed between the French and British Prime Ministers that the BEF had fulfilled it's purpose and should return home to prepare to retake France/repel German invasion. Also, we did not survive because we had the Channel. Had the French been on our Island, they would have been taken. Our airforce and navy are what stopped us being captured - along with the 'bulldog' attitude and the Germans not having a substancial enough Navy at the time.

  • hazmatshazmats Member Posts: 1,081

    I'm an American myself and love to make fun of France.  But I never say anything about WWI, they fought hard in that one and lost a lot of brave people.

  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079


    Originally posted by Dinivan


    rofl, hillarious and VERY true. God I hate the french.

    Written by an american:





    Actually, I think Huhbein is a Brit...

    Lighten up! They are jokes!

    I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.

  • DinivanDinivan Member Posts: 91


    Germany was out number one trading partner. It's not a good idea to put trade sanctions on your trade partner now, is it? [...]
    It's not that I doubt about you, but it's the first time I hear that England and France did not attack Germany because... you were trading partners, and I think it's a bit strange, because by those times trade was not nearly as important as today, and we should consider that by 1937 the value of trade was half of that in 1929.


    Our forces were still recovering from WWI, and more importantly, our economy was awful because of the 1929 Crash (another reason NOT to blockade your best trade partner).
    Then imagine how were the french. After 1929 they still supported the gold standard, causing the french economy to recover very slowly from the crisis (in 1938 only France and the US had a GDP lower than that of 1929), they had so many troubles that even when they knew Germany was rearming, they had to suspend some modernization plans for the french army.


    If we were scared of Hitler, why on God's earth would we send hundreds of thousands of soldiers into a war that - if we stayed out of - would only have benefitted us?
    Because your leaders were not stupid, they knew what would have happened next if they let Hitler control all of Europe from Lisbon to Helsinki.


    Yes, the French WERE scared of the Germans, and of Hitler (both individually). They had actually recovered reasonably well - the Maginot Line (sp?) was the most substancial border defense ever established at the time, and the Germans knew it was impenetrable. The problem was, the french were too damn stupid in estimating German intentions, and only thought of themselves when building the Line, leaving themselves open to attack through the lands NE of them.
    As said, their frontier fortifications were non-existant in the area that the Germans Blitzkrieg'd. Their tanks were no better than the German Tigers or the British/American Grants in fact... The Russians also had an equivalent, but I forget the name of it... T-51 or something like that... They were all pretty much equal, with different weaknesses (the french of course having the problem of having 2 forward gears and 5 reverse.... ;) ) The Germans offensive strategy was nothing special, EXCEPT for the fact that the French left themselves open to it. If they'd tried the same tactic on the Maginot Line... You know when you throw an apple at a wall... It woulda looked something like that...
    The Maginot line wasn't initially built along the border with Belgium because France had signed an alliance with that country so they knew french troops would move there in case of war, but from 1936 France started to extend the Maginot line along the belgian border but due to technical and economical problems it was not as strong as the defensive line between Germany and France. Anyway the french plan to move british, belgian and french troops along the KW line in Belgium was right, initially Hitler planned to attack there, but then a german plane carrying the invasion plans crashed in Belgium, so Hitler had to change his plan, making a new one in which he would invade through the Ardennes, something he didn't think about before and wouldn't have done initially if his plans wouldn't have been discovered.
    Oh, and of course at the start of the war french tanks had better firepower and armor than their german counterparts, but the advantage finally had little importance due to the poor french command. Although I don't know why did you mentioned the Tiger, as when it was introduced the war with France was already over


    The English army did not 'face' the Wehrmacht at Dunkirk, we had withdrawn to there pending pick-up. It was priorly arranged. It was not a battle that went bad. The Germans were in fact commiting war crimes there, firing on unarmed and withdrawing soldiers. The beaches were total carnage thanks to mass bombing and shelling of unarmed troops. It was agreed between the French and British Prime Ministers that the BEF had fulfilled it's purpose and should return home to prepare to retake France/repel German invasion. Also, we did not survive because we had the Channel. Had the French been on our Island, they would have been taken. Our airforce and navy are what stopped us being captured - along with the 'bulldog' attitude and the Germans not having a substancial enough Navy at the time.
    Huh? you fought the germans and you lost every battle until you got to dunkirk where finally you were able to stop them for a time, but british were so scared that you withdrew the troops as soon as you could (and it was a good decision, but that does not change the fact that you fled) . And you are completely right, you stopped the germans because your navy was superior to the german, and it was superior first, because you knew that anyone wanting to invade the UK had to cross the sea so the best defense was having a good navy, and second because the treaty of versailles limited the numbers for the german navy. Of course if the french were on the island maybe they would have lost because their navy, although strong, was not as good as yours simply because they had to invest more money in the army. For the same reason, if the british were in the continent, you would have lasted less than the french because your army was poorly equiped (specially with tanks, all of them were ridiculous until the UK produced the cromwell and comet)

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  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079

    Geezzzzz…sounds like someone is still butthurt from losing their armada back in the late 1500s’.

    I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457

    Dunkirk went badly, it went really badly, it was a disaster where we lost thousands of men and all of our equipment. We did no better than the French or anyone else against the Germans in 1939. Unlike the French, we had somewhere to run to. Plenty of British surrendered. The germans whupped everyone. You either ran surrendered or died.

    We didn't just lose in France to the Germans, but we lost all over Asia against the Japanese, where the bulk of our armies surrendered without a fight. We're British, we play by our own rules of war, we try and be nice to our enemies, so that if they catch us with out pants down, rather than die, we can surrender also.

    This is why prosecuting your enemies for war crimes and torturing or murdering your captives is so deeply unwise. One day it will be our turn. No one wins every fight. 

    No army is invincible. Most armies do not fight to the very last man. Dying for the sake of it isn't very smart and not what they are paid for.

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    Trade has always been massively important in every time throughout history.

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457


    Originally posted by WantsumBier

    Originally posted by Dinivan


    rofl, hillarious and VERY true. God I hate the french.

    Written by an american:


    Actually, I think Huhbein is a Brit...

    Lighten up! They are jokes!


    Unfortunately all these jokes have become too politicised. They are no longer funny. Had you said them in 1999 I would have laughed.

    Your President and my Prime Minister played the race card and abused the French rather than admit they were lying about WMD. Cheap and easy, scapegoat the foreigner. Hitler would have been proud. And then a good number of our society all jumped on the idiot wagon and joined in. Really poor.

    It would be funny if these jokes weren't so readily used to display contempt towards a country of people who tried to talk us out of going into an an unjust war for the wrong reasons. Especially when those same people you call cowards were on deployment fighting to defend you at the time and still are. They were right, you were wrong. You are too cowardly to admit it. Your taking the piss out of the French priviliages have been revoked. You abused it, and now you need to re earn the right as nation.

    Deeply scummy, I love to hate on the French, but this century I'm just a little too ashamed of being English.

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