While I do agree -all- religion causes too many problems, I can see why Muslims were upset by the pope's comments. Basically saying that they are all evil murdering scumbags really isn't good for PR. Whether he likes it or not, he's now indirectly responsible for multiple deaths.
(note, i'm not in ANY way condoning the actions of any radical Muslims)
Originally posted by lardmouth I'm sorry, why does it crack you up? I hope you're not suggesting that christians can't comment on threats, brutality, etc, stemming from another group in the present, because of historical wrongs. Americans shouldn't speak out against slavery and racisim? After all, the US has plenty of it in it's history. It's called learning from history, not being gagged by it. And no, the Pope wasn't slamming Islam.
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Christians are no position to judge Islam as an evil religion. Just because modern times have forced Christian Churches (most of them anyway) to toe the line of secular law doesn't forgive them of 1900 years of genocide, bigotry, racism and intolerance. It's one of the biggest regrets of the Roman Catholic Church that they no longer hold sway over the lives and laws of the common people and their Popes and other bishops have bemoaned as much.
Originally posted by lardmouth I'm sorry, why does it crack you up? I hope you're not suggesting that christians can't comment on threats, brutality, etc, stemming from another group in the present, because of historical wrongs. Americans shouldn't speak out against slavery and racisim? After all, the US has plenty of it in it's history. It's called learning from history, not being gagged by it. And no, the Pope wasn't slamming Islam.
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Christians are no position to judge Islam as an evil religion. Just because modern times have forced Christian Churches (most of them anyway) to toe the line of secular law doesn't forgive them of 1900 years of genocide, bigotry, racism and intolerance. It's one of the biggest regrets of the Roman Catholic Church that they no longer hold sway over the lives and laws of the common people and their Popes and other bishops have bemoaned as much.
You know what cracks me up? Arrogant self-righteousness.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Full quoting fifteen or so lines with one line of your own come under that, does it?
I had one observation to make, which could be summed up in one sentence. I don't feel the need to dress up my observations in multiple layers of pretty sounding bullshit. Don't worry, I'm sure one day you might actually write something worth addressing at length.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Respect is earned. Islam must earn, not demand, my respect. So far, Islam has earned contempt which I did not feel towards this religious group five years ago.
If they want to burn a flag, then fine, I'll go burn a Quran. If they shoot a nun, then okay, I'll draw a caricature of Allah as a snorting, squealing, fire-breathing giant pig demon, running back and forth on dark shiny hooves.
Do not fear Islam. Let Islam know that they can share this world, but not dominate it.
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Uh, there isn't a Christian alive that lived during the inquisition, witchhunting, crusades, etc. Hypocrisy isn't some sort of genetic disease. I'm not a hypocrite if I claim that murder is wrong, though my own grandfather is a murderer (fiction, just an example). I noticed you didn't touch me slavery/civil rights example. We aren't talking history here, we're talking about the present day. You're making poor use of the word "hypocrisy."
Originally posted by lardmouth Originally posted by baff That's it? The hell of a lot of people I see being put to death for converting from Islam, turns out to be one obscure link on the internet that only you has seen? Doesn't really compare well to the amount that I've heard about Alien Abductions. Or Anti Gravity Rays. In fact I believe it's more widely held that Elvis lives, than what you are trying sell. I think your opinion has neither a sense of proportion or a realistic perspective. In short it is propaganda, an exageration of the truth used to vilify ones enemies. Muslims are not my enemies.
These are but examples. Apostacy, honor killings, etc, are damn common. They are major issues according to various human rights orginizations. By the way, the link he provided may have been obscure, but that particular story was widely reported.
You're mixing up culture for religion. Like that wiki one says the Qu'ran says they'll be punished in the afterlife, not ripped to shreads by frothing fanatics who forget what they're suppost to believe in. And honor killing is also a major thing in India. It has nothing to do with Islam but the cultural beliefs.
Originally posted by lardmouth Originally posted by Ulujain
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Uh, there isn't a Christian alive that lived during the inquisition, witchhunting, crusades, etc. Hypocrisy isn't some sort of genetic disease. I'm not a hypocrite if I claim that murder is wrong, though my own grandfather is a murderer (fiction, just an example). I noticed you didn't touch me slavery/civil rights example. We aren't talking history here, we're talking about the present day. You're making poor use of the word "hypocrisy." How many men did your grandfather kill? What was his weapon of choice? I know it was fictional, but I want to hear the rest of this story. You can't just hypothetically say something so outlandish and not give any details abotu it. Was he ever caught? How long did he last in the electric chair?
Personally, even though it was a quote, I think the pope was a bit arrogant about the whole thing. But it also seems dumb that there are some Muslims that blame the all chirstians for this. He is one man, and he doesn't speak for everyone...
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Aelfinn because your religion doesnt support execution for adultury does not mean a 16 year old girl wasnt hanged in a square. Just like because your religion doesnt support violence in general doesnt mean people arent willing to kill in cold blood for it.
Not all Muslims are aware of the full teachings of Islam, you're blaming people which is relevant, and is in place, but blaming the religion for what it's practicers do and claim it's from that religion is total ignorance.
I don't blame the native indian massacre that the christians were responsible of on christianity, i blame those fools who commited this homocide.
Untill the good Muslims step up and try to do something about the ones causing all of the trouble everyone in the religion is wrong, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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While I do agree -all- religion causes too many problems, I can see why Muslims were upset by the pope's comments. Basically saying that they are all evil murdering scumbags really isn't good for PR. Whether he likes it or not, he's now indirectly responsible for multiple deaths.
(note, i'm not in ANY way condoning the actions of any radical Muslims)
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Christians are no position to judge Islam as an evil religion. Just because modern times have forced Christian Churches (most of them anyway) to toe the line of secular law doesn't forgive them of 1900 years of genocide, bigotry, racism and intolerance. It's one of the biggest regrets of the Roman Catholic Church that they no longer hold sway over the lives and laws of the common people and their Popes and other bishops have bemoaned as much.
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Christians are no position to judge Islam as an evil religion. Just because modern times have forced Christian Churches (most of them anyway) to toe the line of secular law doesn't forgive them of 1900 years of genocide, bigotry, racism and intolerance. It's one of the biggest regrets of the Roman Catholic Church that they no longer hold sway over the lives and laws of the common people and their Popes and other bishops have bemoaned as much.
You know what cracks me up? Arrogant self-righteousness.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Full quoting fifteen or so lines with one line of your own come under that, does it?
I had one observation to make, which could be summed up in one sentence. I don't feel the need to dress up my observations in multiple layers of pretty sounding bullshit. Don't worry, I'm sure one day you might actually write something worth addressing at length.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Respect is earned. Islam must earn, not demand, my respect. So far, Islam has earned contempt which I did not feel towards this religious group five years ago.
If they want to burn a flag, then fine, I'll go burn a Quran. If they shoot a nun, then okay, I'll draw a caricature of Allah as a snorting, squealing, fire-breathing giant pig demon, running back and forth on dark shiny hooves.
Do not fear Islam. Let Islam know that they can share this world, but not dominate it.
It cracks me up because of one lovely word that derives from Classical Greek: hypocrisy.
Uh, there isn't a Christian alive that lived during the inquisition, witchhunting, crusades, etc. Hypocrisy isn't some sort of genetic disease. I'm not a hypocrite if I claim that murder is wrong, though my own grandfather is a murderer (fiction, just an example). I noticed you didn't touch me slavery/civil rights example. We aren't talking history here, we're talking about the present day. You're making poor use of the word "hypocrisy."
http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webasacountries/PAKISTAN?OpenDocument Talks about apostacy and other tid-bits, such as honor kilings.
http://www.iheu.org/node/1540 An Antheist speaking about Apostacy laws
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html It's even a problem in Britain. That, and honor killing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam An entry giving a general look at Apostacy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm not apostacy, but something to be aware of. 16 year old executed in Iran. For what, you ask? Read it and find out.
These are but examples. Apostacy, honor killings, etc, are damn common. They are major issues according to various human rights orginizations. By the way, the link he provided may have been obscure, but that particular story was widely reported.
You're mixing up culture for religion. Like that wiki one says the Qu'ran says they'll be punished in the afterlife, not ripped to shreads by frothing fanatics who forget what they're suppost to believe in. And honor killing is also a major thing in India. It has nothing to do with Islam but the cultural beliefs.
How many men did your grandfather kill? What was his weapon of choice? I know it was fictional, but I want to hear the rest of this story. You can't just hypothetically say something so outlandish and not give any details abotu it. Was he ever caught? How long did he last in the electric chair?
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Not all Muslims are aware of the full teachings of Islam, you're blaming people which is relevant, and is in place, but blaming the religion for what it's practicers do and claim it's from that religion is total ignorance.
I don't blame the native indian massacre that the christians were responsible of on christianity, i blame those fools who commited this homocide.
Untill the good Muslims step up and try to do something about the ones causing all of the trouble everyone in the religion is wrong, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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