So . . . a real world conflict has shown you that pursuing your little "facts and quotes" crusade here has actual outside consequences? As much of a stretch as that is, you're probably the last guy I would have expected to see cave in and compromise his alleged principles. Oh well, I guess if you want to run with the big dogs you have to play by their rules. Too bad - it was shaping up to be some quality entertainment.
You know, I like and respect Isk. I think he is just like the rest of of us and still loves the game which is why he is here. Maybe you and he could find a way to talk about the game in a more diplomatic manner, which would still be entertaining (two knowledgeable players facing off in debate), but would not be painful to watch. Also, if you as senator are trying to promote the game, do you think your manner will appeal to someone who has never played but is thinking of trying it out? You come across as pretty scary, some days. Does that draw people in to play Galaxies, do you think? Just my thoughts, watching all of this.
Originally posted by Unagi Originally posted by iskareot I played this game once or twice already with people here, you of all people will not get that respect to do the same for you as I did for them, proof screen shots, time spent etc. As I said, there is other cross issues that was brought to light to me. I cannot be part of one thing and do some things in a certain matter. It is that simple, no need to worry your little head about it sport, although I do apriciate the time given to do so. A simple statement of "A conflict of intrests" would cover this issue at this time. Just go worry about your NGE game, that should keep you busy. Let people do thier own thinking though, it's fair that way.
So . . . a real world conflict has shown you that pursuing your little "facts and quotes" crusade here has actual outside consequences? As much of a stretch as that is, you're probably the last guy I would have expected to see cave in and compromise his alleged principles. Oh well, I guess if you want to run with the big dogs you have to play by their rules. Too bad - it was shaping up to be some quality entertainment.
Nope sorry, this one was well above you. However, I think the game and the NGE stands on it's own.
Your input at this stage is moot. As far as entertainment goes, that is what you have the NGE for.
Let me be clear here, I have not in the least bit changed my thoughts on the NGE, oh my no no young paddy. My principles are still the same. But like I said, there was a conflict of intrest in other areas that could be a issue. However, somthing tells me there will still be plenty of people using logic and facts to show what type of gam the NGE is. Somthing tells me, I am far from the only one lol... I just may be the one that you can't match up to thats all. Again, Unagi, as a GS.. you have made me laugh, as just a Joe here, even more so. So for that I should thank you for your entertainment... as it stands.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
So . . . a real world conflict has shown you that pursuing your little "facts and quotes" crusade here has actual outside consequences? As much of a stretch as that is, you're probably the last guy I would have expected to see cave in and compromise his alleged principles. Oh well, I guess if you want to run with the big dogs you have to play by their rules. Too bad - it was shaping up to be some quality entertainment.
You know, I like and respect Isk. I think he is just like the rest of of us and still loves the game which is why he is here. Maybe you and he could find a way to talk about the game in a more diplomatic manner, which would still be entertaining (two knowledgeable players facing off in debate), but would not be painful to watch. Also, if you as senator are trying to promote the game, do you think your manner will appeal to someone who has never played but is thinking of trying it out? You come across as pretty scary, some days. Does that draw people in to play Galaxies, do you think? Just my thoughts, watching all of this.
I do apriciate your comments, but sometimes having to constantly come down to a level to debate is not really a option at this point. I mean really, in this fasion he is wanting, trying (While doing a poor job) of trying to raz me. At one time, he knows I was a careful player of the game, I loved it as much if not more then him. The best part about this is that HE knows this.
The difference is that at a certain point, with the NGE I realized that somthing was not right. But that is what's great about the current comments from the SOE execs, pretty much saying exactly what we thought this would be. I can understand Unagi's defensive attempts. In fact, at this point it must be hard to do what he does after having a exec team of a product he supports call it a "mistake" -- Look at it from his point of view. I give him this, he can take alot more then I could that is for sure. At no way could I have taken as much as he has. The people that respect me know me, they know why and they know that I am not kidding or really ever not sincere about this. They also know that I have taken extra steps to break through all the crap and the glitter spin to find out what the truth is.
Bottom line, so far if NONE of us talked, if none of us gave a opinion, if none of us even said one thing about the game itself. Right now standing on IT'S OWN... I think after 10 months, of everyone seeing it for what it is... IT would be in no different shape. This is speculation, but the worst part about this is that it does not change what somthing is.
But as I said previous there is some things I can and cannot say in light of some conflicts of intrest. I have not kept secret as what my RL Job includes, (Ironic as it is) also it does not make good with emails and dialog with some people I have contact with. Business level, Unagi is not even in this picture but I have to respect those that are. By all means he is the same as he was on Bria.. I am not however, I changed with the NGE like many of us. I had enough, so with that said- I must say that I would not debate what I already know. It serves no purpose.
Again thanks, but no thanks.
I want to add this, I have in the past been harsh with comments made to Mr. Smedley, I want to be clear here and now that I have more respect for him now after dialog had. I posted, it Barron posted some etc.. He was honest and for the first time I think he was sincere when he said he wished he had not done this.
I do think he meant well maybe, business wise and ethical. However, I also think he did not have all the data to make a better choice. (Opinion). But of course all this info is avl on the web countless times over by now.
Thanks again Athela though.
isk
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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Nope sorry, this one was well above you. However, I think the game and the NGE stands on it's own.
Your input at this stage is moot. As far as entertainment goes, that is what you have the NGE for.
Let me be clear here, I have not in the least bit changed my thoughts on the NGE, oh my no no young paddy. My principles are still the same. But like I said, there was a conflict of intrest in other areas that could be a issue. However, somthing tells me there will still be plenty of people using logic and facts to show what type of gam the NGE is. Somthing tells me, I am far from the only one lol... I just may be the one that you can't match up to thats all. Again, Unagi, as a GS.. you have made me laugh, as just a Joe here, even more so. So for that I should thank you for your entertainment... as it stands.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You know, I like and respect Isk. I think he is just like the rest of of us and still loves the game which is why he is here. Maybe you and he could find a way to talk about the game in a more diplomatic manner, which would still be entertaining (two knowledgeable players facing off in debate), but would not be painful to watch. Also, if you as senator are trying to promote the game, do you think your manner will appeal to someone who has never played but is thinking of trying it out? You come across as pretty scary, some days. Does that draw people in to play Galaxies, do you think? Just my thoughts, watching all of this.
I do apriciate your comments, but sometimes having to constantly come down to a level to debate is not really a option at this point. I mean really, in this fasion he is wanting, trying (While doing a poor job) of trying to raz me. At one time, he knows I was a careful player of the game, I loved it as much if not more then him. The best part about this is that HE knows this.
The difference is that at a certain point, with the NGE I realized that somthing was not right. But that is what's great about the current comments from the SOE execs, pretty much saying exactly what we thought this would be. I can understand Unagi's defensive attempts. In fact, at this point it must be hard to do what he does after having a exec team of a product he supports call it a "mistake" -- Look at it from his point of view. I give him this, he can take alot more then I could that is for sure. At no way could I have taken as much as he has. The people that respect me know me, they know why and they know that I am not kidding or really ever not sincere about this. They also know that I have taken extra steps to break through all the crap and the glitter spin to find out what the truth is.
Bottom line, so far if NONE of us talked, if none of us gave a opinion, if none of us even said one thing about the game itself. Right now standing on IT'S OWN... I think after 10 months, of everyone seeing it for what it is... IT would be in no different shape. This is speculation, but the worst part about this is that it does not change what somthing is.
But as I said previous there is some things I can and cannot say in light of some conflicts of intrest. I have not kept secret as what my RL Job includes, (Ironic as it is) also it does not make good with emails and dialog with some people I have contact with. Business level, Unagi is not even in this picture but I have to respect those that are. By all means he is the same as he was on Bria.. I am not however, I changed with the NGE like many of us. I had enough, so with that said- I must say that I would not debate what I already know. It serves no purpose.
Again thanks, but no thanks.
I want to add this, I have in the past been harsh with comments made to Mr. Smedley, I want to be clear here and now that I have more respect for him now after dialog had. I posted, it Barron posted some etc.. He was honest and for the first time I think he was sincere when he said he wished he had not done this.
I do think he meant well maybe, business wise and ethical. However, I also think he did not have all the data to make a better choice. (Opinion). But of course all this info is avl on the web countless times over by now.
Thanks again Athela though.
isk
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1