Permadeath for FFA PVP server!

bugzonlsd · September 2006

Permadeath option announced for FFA pvp permadeath server! read more here

http://community.godsandheroes.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=3018&tstart=0

carebears my ass nOObs! GETCHA SOME!

neuronomad · September 2006

From what I read the PD thing is still kinda carebear. You have to flag yourself for PD first, or attack a person flagged PD. The server will not be PD by default.

apocalance · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad
From what I read the PD thing is still kinda carebear. You have to flag yourself for PD first, or attack a person flagged PD. The server will not be PD by default.

If you call PD carebear you're trolling, that's all there is to it. How can "PD" be carebear? When you die, you're dead. Re-roll, game over for that character.

Now, if you were to say, PvP is still carebear, unless you're one of the hardcore that flagged PD. Even saying that is a little premature since they're not in final stages of the beta to know enough about how they're going to implement death penalties for regular PvE and/or PvP deaths.

Keep in mind, once you flag PD, there's no going back. It's done.. you're now a PD character. One death from extinction. Yeah, that's carebear.. pft..

bugzonlsd · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad
From what I read the PD thing is still kinda carebear. You have to flag yourself for PD first, or attack a person flagged PD. The server will not be PD by default.

Its cool bro i see where your coming from there. All I can say is this...wow and guildwars dont have pd at all

Come on out when your ready if you ever will be

neuronomad · October 2006

I don't think you guys understood what I was getting out. Permadeath isn't carebear itself, but what I was getitng at is from reading up on G&H's PD server stuff it isn't going to be PD for everyone by default. You will have to either flag yourself for PD or attack someone that is flagged for PD. That is the carebear part.

Why do I say it is carebear? Because if it was a true PD PvP server everyone would be defaulted for PD. This is only concential permadeath. It isn't the same as full PD.

Sure for those that choose to play flagged for PD they ain't carebears for sure, but eveyrone else that isn't flagged playing on the PD server are carebears.

Good god learn 2 read the links.

I am hyped about G&H don't get me wrong, I think it is going to be a GREAT game. I will play flagged for PD but just knowing that others playing on the PD server don't have to be flagged is still carebear to me.

neuronomad · October 2006

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Originally posted by neuronomad
From what I read the PD thing is still kinda carebear. You have to flag yourself for PD first, or attack a person flagged PD. The server will not be PD by default.

Its cool bro i see where your coming from there. All I can say is this...wow and guildwars dont have pd at all

Come on out when your ready if you ever will be

What does the fact that WoW and GW not having Permadeath have to do with anything? Are you trying to say that just because I play two MMOs that don't have permadeath and that are carebear that, that means I can't comment on Permadeath at all?

bugzonlsd · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Originally posted by neuronomad
From what I read the PD thing is still kinda carebear. You have to flag yourself for PD first, or attack a person flagged PD. The server will not be PD by default.

Its cool bro i see where your coming from there. All I can say is this...wow and guildwars dont have pd at all

Come on out when your ready if you ever will be

What does the fact that WoW and GW not having Permadeath have to do with anything? Are you trying to say that just because I play two MMOs that don't have permadeath and that are carebear that, that means I can't comment on Permadeath at all?

Nope... just sayin

apocalance · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad
I don't think you guys understood what I was getting out. Permadeath isn't carebear itself, but what I was getitng at is from reading up on G&H's PD server stuff it isn't going to be PD for everyone by default. You will have to either flag yourself for PD or attack someone that is flagged for PD. That is the carebear part. Why do I say it is carebear? Because if it was a true PD PvP server everyone would be defaulted for PD. This is only concential permadeath. It isn't the same as full PD. Sure for those that choose to play flagged for PD they ain't carebears for sure, but eveyrone else that isn't flagged playing on the PD server are carebears.Good god learn 2 read the links.I am hyped about G&H don't get me wrong, I think it is going to be a GREAT game. I will play flagged for PD but just knowing that others playing on the PD server don't have to be flagged is still carebear to me.

If this is what you meant, it's not what you originally stated. I read only what you had written and quoted you, highlighting exactly what I had issue with. In the future, take time to compose your thoughts so that there aren't misunderstandings that completely invalidate what you're saying.

I also addressed what you followed up with. We don't know enough about the death penalty in G&H to call it carebear just yet. Should they decide there's no loss of gear, or any penalty, yeah, that's carebear and some may like it, some won't.

dink · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad
I don't think you guys understood what I was getting out. Permadeath isn't carebear itself, but what I was getitng at is from reading up on G&H's PD server stuff it isn't going to be PD for everyone by default. You will have to either flag yourself for PD or attack someone that is flagged for PD. That is the carebear part.

Why do I say it is carebear? Because if it was a true PD PvP server everyone would be defaulted for PD. This is only concential permadeath. It isn't the same as full PD.

Sure for those that choose to play flagged for PD they ain't carebears for sure, but eveyrone else that isn't flagged playing on the PD server are carebears.

Good god learn 2 read the links.

I am hyped about G&H don't get me wrong, I think it is going to be a GREAT game. I will play flagged for PD but just knowing that others playing on the PD server don't have to be flagged is still carebear to me.

Here's the thing. If there are enough people on the FFA PvP server that want to play with PD on, then they'll give these people their own server. However, Stieg Hedlund, the designer of Diablo and Diablo II knows exactly how many players actually ever even try the PD ruleset. . . It's LESS than 1%. That includes players who simply put their feet in the water, get burned, and never play again.

So unless the game is wildly popular like WoW, so that there are hundreds of normal servers, there simply won't be enough players to make a pure PD server viable.

You can get the EXTREMELY high risk that you want on this server if that is what you seek. Hopefully the game will be successful enough with the broader player base that those 1 in 1000 that like playing with PD will eventually get their own servers, but they are doing the right thing in not estimating their success to be as high as WoW's (at least at ship).

While Stieg Hedlund definitely has his followers, most people don't realize that he created Diablo and Diablo II. G&H won't have the initial following that WoW acheived through player's familiarity with the Warcraft universe. It will take G&H longer to be that successful - if they ever reach it. My guess is that though Rome and mythology are awesome, people have voted with their dollars for elves and more elves.

Tinybina · October 2006

Originally posted by apocalance

Originally posted by neuronomad
I don't think you guys understood what I was getting out. Permadeath isn't carebear itself, but what I was getitng at is from reading up on G&H's PD server stuff it isn't going to be PD for everyone by default. You will have to either flag yourself for PD or attack someone that is flagged for PD. That is the carebear part. Why do I say it is carebear? Because if it was a true PD PvP server everyone would be defaulted for PD. This is only concential permadeath. It isn't the same as full PD. Sure for those that choose to play flagged for PD they ain't carebears for sure, but eveyrone else that isn't flagged playing on the PD server are carebears.Good god learn 2 read the links.I am hyped about G&H don't get me wrong, I think it is going to be a GREAT game. I will play flagged for PD but just knowing that others playing on the PD server don't have to be flagged is still carebear to me.

If this is what you meant, it's not what you originally stated. I read only what you had written and quoted you, highlighting exactly what I had issue with. In the future, take time to compose your thoughts so that there aren't misunderstandings that completely invalidate what you're saying.

Wow how much clearer does he have to be, especially the part where he states. "The server
will not be PD by default".

I see exactly what he meant the first time, if your going to have a PD server everyone should be PD by default on it they first time the step foot ingame. Having some put themselves out there for the PD ruleset and then others that will hide(yet joined a FFA PD seve from it and still advance is BS.

If there are enough people that want this type of gameplay then they need to do it make 1 dedictated server and get rid of the tag crap.

bugzonlsd · October 2006

Well the guy who proposed PD asked for the option and P.E gave the option. Anyone and I mean ANYONE who wants to go PD at anytime on that server simply has to turn it on or just attack someone who is already flagged. I dont think its carebear at all and I think pd will spread like a plague on the ffa server. If anyone is gonna be carebears its the people who login to that ffa server and wont turn it on then run their mouths and wont back it up.

If those people are crying carebear at they're choice to partake in pd pvp then they're the carebears because they're only pointing out that they wont use it. Or atleast thats what Im gathering I'd invite anyone and everyone who isnt scared to buy the game, login to the ffa server, flip that baby on and roll that beautiful bean footage. Otherwise stay on the pve server where its safe and cozy where you can trashtalk like the house hidin trammies you are. STOP MAKIN EXCUSES AND GETCHA SOME.

rock_harry · October 2006

I,m a carebeare player and proude if you want to go round pking eachothe that fine but i just hope they be a place where i can run about in bubble wrap waway from the nutters. i think they should be a place were we can all enjoy playing the game

bugzonlsd · October 2006

Originally posted by rock_harry

I,m a carebeare player and proude if you want to go round pking eachothe that fine but i just hope they be a place where i can run about in bubble wrap waway from the nutters. i think they should be a place were we can all enjoy playing the game

No worries Rock_Harry there will be a pve server, the perma death option is for the pvp ffa server, sorry if i gave the impression that the game wont be friendly to all types of gamers. For the record my use of the term carebear only applies to those that want to come in pointing fingers at others. On the pve servers you'll be able to enjoy the game in your own ways, roleplay, hunting, questing and even grinding if thats the route you prefer, not to mention lots of customization options for you and your minions. happy huntin bro

Moirae · October 2006

The moment you resort to insults like carebear is the moment when whatever you say is no longer important.

bugzonlsd · October 2006

Originally posted by Moirae
The moment you resort to insults like carebear is the moment when whatever you say is no longer important.

"carebears my ass nOObs! GETCHA SOME!"

Yea I thought it was pretty obvious that I'm pointing out people are NOT carebears for playing this mmo.

I guess sometimes you just have to type it all out, oh thats right there it is.

Tinybina · October 2006

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Permadeath option announced for FFA pvp permadeath server! read more here
http://community.godsandheroes.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=3018&tstart=0
carebears my ass nOObs! GETCHA SOME!

And how is having a OPTION to turn PD on not carebear in itsself?

I love these so called 'HARD CORE' pvpers that brag about how they want FFA PVP but then try to draw a line where FFA stops.. FFA to mean means anywhere, anything, anytime and the outcome is life of death. Having a option to no die is retarded. There should be no freaking option in a FFA PD server there should only be life or death nothing else.

All this is is another cruch for "griefers" whats going to stop people from avoiding PVP all the way up to the max level just so they can attain max level so that when they run around ganking low levels it will be easier from them.. Its a 'carebear' feature that will enable cowards to hide in peace untill they can pick and choose what time they want to put it on the line...

If you so called 'Hardcore PVPers' had any nuts, you would do what ever it took to make sure that that option is never in game..But the fact is you and others like you won't cry untill the remove it, cowards always need there cruch.. /laff and you have the nerve to use the term 'Carebear'

apocalance · October 2006

Just making sure everone understands.

No one is saying that G&H is a hardcore game. G&H is very much a game designed for fun and it's trying to break the mold of 40 players versus one boss mob. It's also introducing the best AI minion system to date for any MMO.

The topic of this discussion is the fact that PE decided to, based on community request, add permanent death as an optional play style for those wanting to put everything on the line. They're not creating rules on when you have to do it. They're apparently not giving you anything for doing it either.

G&H will have FFA PvP servers. On those servers, you will have the option to make your character flagged PD. You will not have the option of going back. There is no quick grind for PD players. Getting to the top is not advertised as being easy or quick. So, if you decide to get to the highest level (50) and flag PD, you're just as vulnerable as anyone else who has flagged PD, only you've certainly spent more time on your PD character than anyone. Saying that someone is less of a PD player because they waited until they were topped out only means they were willing to give up more of an invested character than someone who flags it at the beginning and dies 10 levels later.

Just my 2¢.

Hives · October 2006

First of all it's just a thought and they haven't said it's a done deal so calm down people. I do like the way they're thinking about adding the system of pd because when you turn it on it's on for good so no one can run around and turn it off and on, plus the fact if you attack someone that has it on then you activate your pd. Where does carebear come into play? You turn it on and it's on and if you attack someone it's turned on so where does that leave carebears on that type of server? Running around hunting? I know some people think it would be a great idea to have a ffa pd server with pd automatically on and that's super but you know as well as I do that the griefing in starting areas would be a big headache.

neuronomad · October 2006

Originally posted by Hives

First of all it's just a thought and they haven't said it's a done deal so calm down people. I do like the way they're thinking about adding the system of pd because when you turn it on it's on for good so no one can run around and turn it off and on, plus the fact if you attack someone that has it on then you activate your pd. Where does carebear come into play? You turn it on and it's on and if you attack someone it's turned on so where does that leave carebears on that type of server? Running around hunting? I know some people think it would be a great idea to have a ffa pd server with pd automatically on and that's super but you know as well as I do that the griefing in starting areas would be a big headache.

Still say it is carebear unless everyone on the server is set for PD by default. I am sticking to that, sorry that some of you disagree.

All that is going to happen is that the majority of people will play with PD off until they reach level cap and then flag themselves for PD and then go about ganking the few lower level players that are brave enough to be set for PD.

I still call it carebear that EVERYONE isn't set for PD by default.

neuronomad · October 2006

Originally posted by apocalance

Just making sure everone understands.
No one is saying that G&H is a hardcore game. G&H is very much a game designed for fun and it's trying to break the mold of 40 players versus one boss mob. It's also introducing the best AI minion system to date for any MMO.
The topic of this discussion is the fact that PE decided to, based on community request, add permanent death as an optional play style for those wanting to put everything on the line. They're not creating rules on when you have to do it. They're apparently not giving you anything for doing it either.
G&H will have FFA PvP servers. On those servers, you will have the option to make your character flagged PD. You will not have the option of going back. There is no quick grind for PD players. Getting to the top is not advertised as being easy or quick. So, if you decide to get to the highest level (50) and flag PD, you're just as vulnerable as anyone else who has flagged PD, only you've certainly spent more time on your PD character than anyone. Saying that someone is less of a PD player because they waited until they were topped out only means they were willing to give up more of an invested character than someone who flags it at the beginning and dies 10 levels later.
Just my 2¢.

While I agree that anyone that is flagged for PD at level 50 is risking a lot, I still think that either you should be flagged for PD from level 1 on or none at all. I think it is stupid to let someone play PD free all the way up to level cap and then once they get to level cap allow them to flag for PD and start ganking those that are lower levels and that were brave enough to be flagged from the start.

Tinybina · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad

Still say it is carebear unless everyone on the server is set for PD by default. I am sticking to that, sorry that some of you disagree.

All that is going to happen is that the majority of people will play with PD off until they reach level cap and then flag themselves for PD and then go about ganking the few lower level players that are brave enough to be set for PD.

I still call it carebear that EVERYONE isn't set for PD by default.

Bing Freaking O

One of the most retarded ideas I have heard in a while was that PD on/off option..

Whats next somone makes a FFA server were you can turn full loot on/off. Someone makes a FFA server were someone can turn FFA on/off....

Foolish idea and like you, me, and others have said lots of people will just leave it off until they reach level cap and then start to gank low levels once they and in alot of cases the big arse guild are all capped. How can that not be seen as a exploit is beyond me.. But it just goes to show you the mental capacity of alot of these Developers that make MMORPG's..

Simple put do these people even think...I'm starting to see how almost ever MMORPG I have ever played eventually was ruined by some pee brain idea of the very people that made it.

Aquila26 · October 2006

Originally posted by Tinybina

Originally posted by neuronomad

Still say it is carebear unless everyone on the server is set for PD by default. I am sticking to that, sorry that some of you disagree.

All that is going to happen is that the majority of people will play with PD off until they reach level cap and then flag themselves for PD and then go about ganking the few lower level players that are brave enough to be set for PD.

I still call it carebear that EVERYONE isn't set for PD by default.

Bing Freaking O

One of the most retarded ideas I have heard in a while was that PD on/off option..

Whats next somone makes a FFA server were you can turn full loot on/off. Someone makes a FFA server were someone can turn FFA on/off....

Foolish idea and like you, me, and others have said lots of people will just leave it off until they reach level cap and then start to gank low levels once they and in alot of cases the big arse guild are all capped. How can that not be seen as a exploit is beyond me.. But it just goes to show you the mental capacity of alot of these Developers that make MMORPG's..

Simple put do these people even think...I'm starting to see how almost ever MMORPG I have ever played eventually was ruined by some pee brain idea of the very people that made it.

Tellya what there TinaBina Fo Fina I'll make a deal with ya... if your really wanting to play Gods & Heroes and are seriously put off by the "option"of pd... Just bust up in there ( Gods & Heroes forums) and state your case and make it good and you'll have my backing.

On the other hand if your just flaming to flame folks here on mmorpg.com and dont plan on playing this game at all then your just wasting my time and yours with all this hot air right?

Up to you. make a choice, make a suggestion, make a difference. Your certainly doing nothing here whats it gonna be?

neuronomad · October 2006

I can't speak for Tinybina but I for one don't like the ability to have the PD flag off on a FFA PD server and I have posted such on G&H forums. I am a big supporter of the game and I will be there on day one and have already signed up for the beta (via Massive Mag). I am not a hater of the game but the facts are the facts, either have it where everyone is set for PD or don't do it at all.

Aquila26 · October 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad
I can't speak for Tinybina but I for one don't like the ability to have the PD flag off on a FFA PD server and I have posted such on G&H forums. I am a big supporter of the game and I will be there on day one and have already signed up for the beta (via Massive Mag). I am not a hater of the game but the facts are the facts, either have it where everyone is set for PD or don't do it at all.

Well heres the real question. How many players will actually use a full blown pd server? Many people will post that they will in a forum and never step into that server at all. Many will call the option carebear, many will callit hardcore but how many people are really going to use it? One guy in the forums asked for the option, he may be very well the one guy who uses that option. Deo's posted the stats bro its 1% and the guy who wanted the option is more than likely that 1%. Is it even smart for P.E to provide something 99% of the playerbase will never use? Maybe not, but they took into account that 1 player asked for the option and many others said its ok with me if he does. I think it was nice of Stieg and Deo to even consider it. And here you have Tina insulting their intelligence? cmoooon people. Jeez

Noones for bashing anothers playstyle, you know that. P.E wants us all to enjoy the game in our own ways, if one guy wants to have his character die permanently whats the problem with him having it. I think the option satisfies both those who wont use it and the very very few who will. But thats the standpoint many have, if you wanna use it, go for it, if not...dont, but let those people who will have the option. Dont you agree?

Tinybina · October 2006

Originally posted by Aquila26

Up to you. make a choice, make a suggestion, make a difference. Your certainly doing nothing here whats it gonna be?

Make a difference???? /laff to who?.. Developers don't listen, to people like me anyways.. Me and tons of others told Funcom not to come up with that horrible fantasy expansion (Shadowlands) for their sci-fi game.. Did they listen? Hell no.. End result like a year later they're having to give their game away for no monthly fee since tons of people left shortly after they launched EQ 1.5

Me and tons of others tried to tell the Developers of Planetside that there expansion Core Combat was a horrible idea. That we needed more infantry weapons not weapons like the flail... We tried to tell them that we did not need the BFR in the game and it would cause tons of people to leave..The result? Looks like I wasn't wrong there boy, tons of people left the game after BFR's were introduced. Not to mention the Developers suddenly left (fired probably more like it) that game has had like what 3 head developers now.

Make a difference.....Me and alot of others tried to convince the Developers of COH (Calling Mr. Lambert) that this game did not have enough depth.. The needed to add more content or people will get bored soon and leave... We even gave them ideas, and they still did not listen.. Guess I was not wrong there either, since most of the people that left the game complained about it not having enough content..I won't even talk about the arguements I had about why this game should have PVP at launch and was told that the developers don't think PVP fits in this setting and the fanbois rejoiced and partied with the Developers choice.. But oh wait, there very next expansion has what... PVP???!!!! PVP that was gimped to hell since all they did was split there already shrinking population into two games, which made it difficult at times since everyone and there mother was playing as a villian.. People actually used to have to ask villians to log their heros in so we could fight agianst someone....

I won't even talk about the difference I tried to make in WOW, Face of Mankind, and MXO.. Same old story I and others like me make valid points and are ignored by the devs and their Fanbois. Im running into the same problems with LOTR, and AOC right now.. Im sick of trying to make them see things my way, they will never listen they have their family and friends early beta testing there game and stroking their egos so they don't want to hear Jack shit.

Most of those games with the exception of WOW could have been so much more, if they would have actually took time to listen and make some much needed changes.. But instead for the most part they failed to produce or live up to the potential. So far as im concerned screw trying to give the Dev suggestions and ideas they will ignore me and others like me anyways, I just laugh and make fun of them now, I call it my DarknLight approach.

Tinybina · October 2006

Originally posted by Aquila26
Well heres the real question. How many players will actually use a full blown pd server? Many people will post that they will in a forum and never step into that server at all.

Are you kidding? Take a look at the people following Darkfall, strole on over to the AOC pvp board, look up the people that played Shadowbane... There is a huge market for 'Hardcore PVP players' out there.. Make a PD server (a real one) and when people begin to find out about it, they will come.. And lets just say they don't come, lets just say thatt for a second.... All they have to do is add the toggle in a patch a few months later.. Or *gasp* shut the server down.. Not like games haven't done that before.. But I guess that would be to difficult aye?..

Many will call the option carebear, many will callit hardcore but how many people are really going to use it? One guy in the forums asked for the option, he may be very well the one guy who uses that option.

Your a fool if you think people will not use that option.. People are cowards in general and will seek to take the easy road.. And what road will be easier then not using the toggle unitll you reach cap so that you can then unleash your furry and grief others that are trying to reach the cap.. Whole guilds will do this.. And to be honest if your a guild who plans on dominating (which many PVP guilds do) it makes since not to toggle untill your READY.. why do only a few of this understand this concept....

I think it was nice of Stieg and Deo to even consider it. And here you have Tina insulting their intelligence? cmoooon people. Jeez

You can sit back and believe the garbage they spew MMO noob all you want but I have heard it all before.. Untill they actually post a real life poll on the boards I won't belive its only 1%... If they have the poll up link it so you can shut me up.. Other then that keep believing the gargabe these Devs toss at you..Only a fool would believe everything he is told.

Noones for bashing anothers playstyle, you know that. P.E wants us all to enjoy the game in our own ways, if one guy wants to have his character die permanently whats the problem with him having it. I think the option satisfies both those who wont use it and the very very few who will.

Here is a freaking question for you turbo.. If you don't want your charaacter dying permanently WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU JOIN A PD SERVER.... In diablo I didn't want to make a PD character and those that could did.. But here is the kicker.. I could not join their server and they could no join mine... WOW what a amazing concept...

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