Originally posted by lChaosl You do realize that macro mining is against the rules of EvE. He wasn't harassing people in empire. He was harrassing cheaters in empire.
Where in the rules does it say this? I'm quite the macro programmer. But, I don't want to break the rules and have my account deleted. (I wouldn't sell it on eBay)
Originally posted by lChaosl You do realize that macro mining is against the rules of EvE. He wasn't harassing people in empire. He was harrassing cheaters in empire.
Where in the rules does it say this? I'm quite the macro programmer. But, I don't want to break the rules and have my account deleted. (I wouldn't sell it on eBay)
Then I would stop. You can't use Macros to help you mine. That is against EULA.
the EULA states:
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Originally posted by Wargoo Then I would stop. You can't use Macros to help you mine. That is against EULA. the EULA states:(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.Here is a forum link discussing all about it:http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=41063
That's what I thought. But you're confused I don't use Autonomous Macros, I just said I'm good at making Macros and insinuating that it would be easy for me to create a mining macro.
I do however use macros for such things as: Firing my weapons - If I press Windows Button+n I automatically fire all my weapons. Which is good, because looking at the EULA, that's not covered under their standards. It's not at an "accelerated rate" it mearly makes sure I hit all of them.
Logging in - I click one link it opens EVE, types in my password, waits for the screen to load, and presses the Enter Character button or something (I can't remember what that button says on it), which is also not covered in the EULA.
etc.
Macros are a good thing, I use them for other things outside the game as well.
It's a shame that they weren't more thorough in their investigation, and that you were the victim of a knee jerk reaction by CCP, after trying to get rid of a cheater in game.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by BaronJuJu Originally posted by Taram Not buying this... for there to have been a 500m reversal of a donation there had to be 500m in their account from that person. If they're short that means, quite simply, they bought money on Ebay at one point. The person who you are writing about is NOT innocent in this and got exactly what they deserved. I don't buy for a second that they "never bought ISK online before" because if they hadn't then there's nothing that macro miner could have done because there'd have been nothing for the GM to reverse.
In short: GM couldn't have reversed a 500m trade with the "throw-away" alt if the transaction had never happened.
Did you actually read what I wrote or are you just trolling for fun?
Not trolling. According to what you WROTE: The GM *REVERSED* a player trade In order to reverse a player trade of 500mil there had to be an actual 500m transfer at some point TO that character.
In addition: If the character hadn't SPENT the 500m they wouldn't now be in the hole from the reversal, now would they? No... because the 500m would have still been in their account to transfer back and they'd still have positive (or at least 0 balance) cash.
No, in order for a trade REVERSAL to put someone into negative cash-flow the user would have had to GET 500m at some point (otherwise it wouldn't be a reversal) and then would have had to SPEND it for the *reversal* to put them into negative cash territory.
Now: If the GM "Reversed" a 500m transaction that never took place it should be VERY easy for that player to pull their transaction logs and send an email to customer support showing that they never received 500m from anyone. Which would, also, have the fun side affect of getting the macro-miner Banned from the game for using out-of-game means to defraud customer support and harm another player.
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mmm simple question: when someone put some ISK on your ingame account, how can it be "wrong"? How can you proove that it's ISK bought on e-bay? (even if it is really)
If it is so simple, you just have to send some ISK to a guy that you dont like and then petition a GM to get the guy banned, thats... silly
First if you send money to the account and say that they bought it they'll ban your account as a isk seller. Now if you are buying isk through a GTC sale there is a specific set of rules ylou go through that includes ingame mails thats GMs can look at to see that you traded a GTC for it.
Originally posted by Ciredric I agree, there are huge holes in your story. You get no sympathy here for posting nonsense.
Huge holes? Its very simple:
1. He finds a macro miner and kills him, takes his stuff
2. Macro miners is mad, so he spends $50 and buys EBay ISK and has it sent to the killer. Then he reports the killer for buying illegal ISK or CCP notices a sudden $500 mill in a persons account
3. CCP takes the $500 mill then fines him $500 mill for illegal ISK buying
4. The Macro Miner send an email to the killer gloating - "Revenge is $50. Bitch"
5. The killer logs in the next day to see his account at -318,000,000 and CCP saying tough luck
The funniest part is the folks saying this is somehow ok to do to folks. So you're sayings its ok if you kill me to spend $50 on some EBay ISK, forward it to your account then report you of let CCP catch you with illegal ISK for revenge? This is somehow written as an acceptable response?
*By the way it looks like the same individual has sent it to him again (another $500 Mill) but he reported it to CCP and they just took the illegal ISK out again and has repetitioned CCP to go after the sender and miner
Originally posted by myrrdinirl Taram: Originally posted by BaronJuJu Originally posted by Ciredric I agree, there are huge holes in your story. You get no sympathy here for posting nonsense.
Huge holes? Its very simple:
1. He finds a macro miner and kills him, takes his stuff
2. Macro miners is mad, so he spends $50 and buys EBay ISK and has it sent to the killer. Then he reports the killer for buying illegal ISK or CCP notices a sudden $500 mill in a persons account
3. CCP takes the $500 mill then fines him $500 mill for illegal ISK buying
4. The Macro Miner send an email to the killer gloating - "Revenge is $50. Bitch"
5. The killer logs in the next day to see his account at -318,000,000 and CCP saying tough luck
The funniest part is the folks saying this is somehow ok to do to folks. So you're sayings its ok if you kill me to spend $50 on some EBay ISK, forward it to your account then report you of let CCP catch you with illegal ISK for revenge? This is somehow written as an acceptable response?
*By the way it looks like the same individual has sent it to him again (another $500 Mill) but he reported it to CCP and they just took the illegal ISK out again and has repetitioned CCP to go after the sender and miner
One would recommend making one's OP more clear then. I didn't read everyone's reply, I read your OP and responded to it. I missed where the GM fined him 500m after reversing the 500m trade.
BTW nice use of font size. Sorry I trimmed it back down to normal in my quote to save the readers of the forums from eyesore.
Thank you for clarifying, however. Now I understand where the dillema is. However all the player needs to do is contact customer support and send him a transaction log from EBAY to prove he didn't do it. And once again the macro miner winds up banned for using out-of-game resources to defraud customer support.
What I would do: 1) pull transaction log from Ebay for my real account. 2) pull convo log with macro miner where he taunted me about 'payback'. 3) Send above to CCP stating that I had never made an ebay purchase of ISK and that this Macro Miner was getting even with me for destroying his/her ship. 4) do it in a polite and professional manner. (Avoid all-caps... giant font sizes, etc.) Make it as professional and courteous as possible.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I do however use macros for such things as: Firing my weapons - If I press Windows Button+n I automatically fire all my weapons. Which is good, because looking at the EULA, that's not covered under their standards. It's not at an "accelerated rate" it mearly makes sure I hit all of them.
How are you doing that? Are you using something built in to Windows or a separate application?
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Where in the rules does it say this? I'm quite the macro programmer.
But, I don't want to break the rules and have my account deleted. (I wouldn't sell it on eBay)
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(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=41063
That's what I thought. But you're confused I don't use Autonomous Macros, I just said I'm good at making Macros and insinuating that it would be easy for me to create a mining macro.
I do however use macros for such things as:
Firing my weapons - If I press Windows Button+n I automatically fire all my weapons. Which is good, because looking at the EULA, that's not covered under their standards. It's not at an "accelerated rate" it mearly makes sure I hit all of them.
Logging in - I click one link it opens EVE, types in my password, waits for the screen to load, and presses the Enter Character button or something (I can't remember what that button says on it), which is also not covered in the EULA.
etc.
Macros are a good thing, I use them for other things outside the game as well.
Thanks for the info though.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Not trolling.
According to what you WROTE: The GM *REVERSED* a player trade
In order to reverse a player trade of 500mil there had to be an actual 500m transfer at some point TO that character.
In addition: If the character hadn't SPENT the 500m they wouldn't now be in the hole from the reversal, now would they? No... because the 500m would have still been in their account to transfer back and they'd still have positive (or at least 0 balance) cash.
No, in order for a trade REVERSAL to put someone into negative cash-flow the user would have had to GET 500m at some point (otherwise it wouldn't be a reversal) and then would have had to SPEND it for the *reversal* to put them into negative cash territory.
Now: If the GM "Reversed" a 500m transaction that never took place it should be VERY easy for that player to pull their transaction logs and send an email to customer support showing that they never received 500m from anyone. Which would, also, have the fun side affect of getting the macro-miner Banned from the game for using out-of-game means to defraud customer support and harm another player.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
when someone put some ISK on your ingame account, how can it be "wrong"?
How can you proove that it's ISK bought on e-bay? (even if it is really)
If it is so simple, you just have to send some ISK to a guy that you dont like and then petition a GM to get the guy banned, thats... silly
Huge holes? Its very simple:
1. He finds a macro miner and kills him, takes his stuff
2. Macro miners is mad, so he spends $50 and buys EBay ISK and has it sent to the killer. Then he reports the killer for buying illegal ISK or CCP notices a sudden $500 mill in a persons account
3. CCP takes the $500 mill then fines him $500 mill for illegal ISK buying
182,000,000(Starting balance) + 500,000,000(illegal ISK) - 500,000,000(Illegal ISK removed) - 500,000,000(CCP Fine) = -318,000,000
4. The Macro Miner send an email to the killer gloating - "Revenge is $50. Bitch"
5. The killer logs in the next day to see his account at -318,000,000 and CCP saying tough luck
The funniest part is the folks saying this is somehow ok to do to folks. So you're sayings its ok if you kill me to spend $50 on some EBay ISK, forward it to your account then report you of let CCP catch you with illegal ISK for revenge? This is somehow written as an acceptable response?
*By the way it looks like the same individual has sent it to him again (another $500 Mill) but he reported it to CCP and they just took the illegal ISK out again and has repetitioned CCP to go after the sender and miner
One would recommend making one's OP more clear then. I didn't read everyone's reply, I read your OP and responded to it. I missed where the GM fined him 500m after reversing the 500m trade.
BTW nice use of font size.
Thank you for clarifying, however. Now I understand where the dillema is. However all the player needs to do is contact customer support and send him a transaction log from EBAY to prove he didn't do it. And once again the macro miner winds up banned for using out-of-game resources to defraud customer support.
What I would do:
1) pull transaction log from Ebay for my real account.
2) pull convo log with macro miner where he taunted me about 'payback'.
3) Send above to CCP stating that I had never made an ebay purchase of ISK and that this Macro Miner was getting even with me for destroying his/her ship.
4) do it in a polite and professional manner. (Avoid all-caps... giant font sizes, etc.) Make it as professional and courteous as possible.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I do however use macros for such things as:
Firing my weapons - If I press Windows Button+n I automatically fire all my weapons. Which is good, because looking at the EULA, that's not covered under their standards. It's not at an "accelerated rate" it mearly makes sure I hit all of them.
How are you doing that? Are you using something built in to Windows or a separate application?
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