Originally posted by Xpheyel We're back to LOTRO at this point, because the thread isn't about Turbine as a company in some kind of vacuum. You can go back to the original post:
I'd want to get excited about this game, however I know better. Turbine has dropped the ball on everything they have touched aside from AC1 which seems to have been a fluke. Their ideas are never properly implemented and development times to fix said ideas never come to total fruition.
After paying and playing games like Asheron's Call 2 and DDO, I can say that this company is incapable at best and I wonder if they ever actully play thier games long enough to understand how game mechanics even begin to work. Being a huge fan of LOTR I must say I'm grieving the loss of two huge liscenses, D&D and tolkien's work which could have been large splashes in a stagnating mmo pool are simply wasted on a talentless washed up company. sad very sad. However that being said, the sun does shine on a dog's ass every once in a while if they pull it off all the power to em, just wouldn't hold your breath.
This game, properly implemented and development times, if they pull it off. Everything the OP has talked about is in relationship to LOTRO. Your first post was essentially only about Turbine, your second however was a judgement of LOTRO. And if you're trying to say now that the thread has nothing to do with the game, why are you even here? Why is this thread the target for some kind of subtopic exclusively about Turbine and your apparently unpleasant past with it? Why should we trust someone so vehement and caught up with Turbine that they'd proclaim a game trick and a failure months before its release any more than Turbine's press releases about it?
The OP is actually dead on, it makes perfect sense for people to be leery of another Turbine game and not get as hyped up about it as they would if someone else was making it. With the entirely proper caveat that if the game is of quality when it does come out, it should be judged on its merits and not put down in advance because its developer has made bad decisions in the past.
Finally you just are not going to find the legions of LOTRO fans here so you're kind of wasting your time. Shouldn't you be warning the Age of Conan fans about Anarchy Online's buggy launch? Or Vanguard fans about Sony's innumerable sins? What about EA-Mythic and Trammel? They never fixed that did they, and now they're making Warhammer, plus EA high-ups have frequently been ass hats with their exclusive contracts, for instance. I think all three of those games are more anticipated on MMORPG.com than LOTRO.
First off let me apologies for editing your post. It was just to dam long, and half of its not worth a remark.
Just so you know, you're not really making me think twice about being interested in LOTRO at all.
Just so you know I dont care. Your mind was already made up, and I am not here to try and change it.
Its an incredibly unconvincing performance you're putting on littered with insults and personal attacks. All of your valid points are buried under calling other posters names in annoying bright green text.
I didnt start the mud slinging, and I am not going to roll over or let it slide when someone smarts off. I like the green text
You're obviously incredibly emotionally wrapped up in this and it detracts from every point you make.
Emotionally wrapped up? No I just have a low tolerance for BS and people who post BS. I tend to get spun up.
We're back to LOTRO at this point, because the thread isn't about Turbine as a company in some kind of vacuum. You can go back to the original post:
Now you can try to interpret the OP that way, but I dont think you are right. When I read the OP I see the subject in the first paragraph. Not the first sentance. You need to read a bit more than that. What turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. Everything else in the OP is in reference to that. Not LoTRO. AC1 was mentioned also, so are you now going to say this is a thread about AC1? How about DDO, and AC2 they were named as well. Why do you think these other games were brought up? To give as examples to the subject: what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You dont have to agree with me. Its just the way I see it.
Your first post was essentially only about Turbine, your second however was a judgement of LOTRO.
I agree my first post was about turdbine, but this is my second post:
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
Its an illustration I used as a come back to this post:
Originally posted by Moirae You know, it's pretty idiotic to judge a game you haven't even taken part in yet just based on the company that made it.
I am sticking to the topic that is what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You can't see that?
And if you're trying to say now that the thread has nothing to do with the game, why are you even here? Why is this thread the target for some kind of subtopic exclusively about Turbine and your apparently unpleasant past with it?
I am here because the TOPIC of this thread is turdbine. A subject I know something about. If you dont believe me scroll up and look, because its still there. Looks like this:
For some reason some of you are trying to make it a LoTRO thread. When it's not.
Why should we trust someone so vehement and caught up with Turbine that they'd proclaim a game trick and a failure months before its release any more than Turbine's press releases about it?
You dont have to trust me or believe what I say. Turdbine has already proven themselves untrustworthy by there own actions. As for the press releases dont be stupid they are trying to get your money .
Shouldn't you be warning the Age of Conan fans about Anarchy Online's buggy launch? Or Vanguard fans about Sony's innumerable sins? What about EA-Mythic and Trammel? They never fixed that did they, and now they're making Warhammer, plus EA high-ups
No I dont know anything about any of that. Unlike jack I dont put up posts about companies I have no experience or knowledge of.
i watches a program on tv once about the first lotr movies and games and one of the developers of the game was talking about how difficult it is to get permission to use tolkiens work as hiss family do not want his name to be used to sell inferior products i'm sure that tolkiens family will alose be expecting this game to be made to those high standards also so i'm gonna wait till the game is released or i can get on the beta before i pass judgement but be warned turbine me and many other lotr's fans are expecting great things not just an average wow clone
Formatting on this forum is terrible. One more reason to hate the green text. They don't all come with the thread when you quote it and it leaves a bunch of misplaced color= tags everywhere.
Originally posted by AzRaell33
*Snipping my comments and extraneous color tags.*
First off let me apologies for editing your post. It was just to dam long, and half of its not worth a remark.
Just so you know I dont care. Your mind was already made up, and I am not here to try and change it.
I didnt start the mud slinging, and I am not going to roll over or let it slide when someone smarts off. I like the green text
Emotionally wrapped up? No I just have a low tolerance for BS and people who post BS. I tend to get spun up.
Now you can try to interpret the OP that way, but I dont think you are right. When I read the OP I see the subject in the first paragraph. Not the first sentance. You need to read a bit more than that. What turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. Everything else in the OP is in reference to that. Not LoTRO. AC1 was mentioned also, so are you now going to say this is a thread about AC1? How about DDO, and AC2 they were named as well. Why do you think these other games were brought up? To give as examples to the subject: what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You dont have to agree with me. Its just the way I see it.
I agree my first post was about turdbine, but this is my second post:
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
Its an illustration I used as a come back to this post:
Originally posted by Moirae You know, it's pretty idiotic to judge a game you haven't even taken part in yet just based on the company that made it.
I am sticking to the topic that is what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You can't see that?
I am here because the TOPIC of this thread is turdbine. A subject I know something about. If you dont believe me scroll up and look, because its still there. Looks like this:
Section: Lord of the Rings Online
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Turbine
For some reason some of you are trying to make it a LoTRO thread. When it's not.
You dont have to trust me or believe what I say. Turdbine has already proven themselves untrustworthy by there own actions. As for the press releases dont be stupid they are trying to get your money .
No I dont know anything about any of that. Unlike jack I dont put up posts about companies I have no experience or knowledge of.
I'm just letting you know, coming into this thread your points have less weight the way you phrase them and call others liars. Since you're "trying to make people think twice" as you said, I'm just giving you the heads up that the way you're going about it makes you look like a hate boy from my perspective rather than someone trying to warn off people about Turbine. You also miss my point further on, what I am saying is that you sound as reliable as their corporate propaganda.
I can only respectfully disagree, the first part of my post was just as important as any other part and dismissing it out of hand the way you are can only make me think that you don't care to give as much weight to it as it deserves. A major part of your argument is that Turbine is going to rely on the "Lord of the Rings" title to secure a lot of box-sales. I'm questioning if that is a fiscally feasible plan, for several reasons. You would have to go back to their deal with Middle-Earth Online and Sierra, determine the purchasing price and count up development costs and the ultimate distribution and support costs with respect to the box price. MMORPGs typically amortize the costs of their lengthy development cycles over subscription fees. The idea that they are deliberately going to have the game in such a fashion that they get a minimum of long-term subscriptions with a high box price is contra to the normal business model.
Secondly, I point out that I and virtually everyone in this thread so far have been leery of Turbine. We're not preordering here unless we know whats in it and that we like it. Again this is essentially the reverse of what you've been trying to say is Turbine's plan. Yes, because of DDO in particular, which is more recent. AC2 as I understand it failed because it was too different from AC1.
All I can say about the original poster and the rest of the topic is that you are quite wrong. We are considering Turbine and it's past but only because of LOTRO. What determines if LOTRO is a good game or not is whether LOTRO is a good game or not. You can predict it will be shoddy based on developer all you like but it isn't an absolute.
About the OP, I think it is you that needs to read a little farther in, not I. What is his closing remark?
However that being said, the sun does shine on a dog's ass every once in a while if they pull it off all the power to em, just wouldn't hold your breath.
What is he talking about here except for Turbine and LOTRO?
That is exactly what me, Jack, and several other posters are saying. If they make a good game, we'll be very happy and possibly buy it. We aren't going to make up our minds not to buy it now just because it is being developed by Turbine.
As for you, you are definitely talking about LOTRO:
I only wish they would just roll over before they take anymore money from kids that just look at the game titles. You know that is the core of there marketing strategy, show them the title and make a sale
Like Lord of the Rings?
Furthermore I dont expect to be able to influence everyone not to buy this game. But I will get a few people that didnt know before to stop and think a bit before ordering a turdbine game.
Hmmm... An upcoming Turbine game... Lord of the Rings Online?
Please Dont kid yourself this game has nothing whatsoever to do with Tolkien.
"This game" being... DDO? Well, you'd be right in that case. Except insofar as Tolkien influences a lot of fantasy. Something makes me think you were talking about Lord of the Rings Online there though.
If you're not trying to convince some small number of people that read this thread to not get Lord of the Rings Online because Turbine is producing it, then it might be nice to know what you are doing. Because every time you say "this thread is about Turbine" I start wondering why LOTRO keeps popping up and why it is in the LOTRO forum except for that it is because we only care about Turbine because they are developing LOTRO.
Originally posted by Xpheyel Formatting on this forum is terrible. One more reason to hate the green text. They don't all come with the thread when you quote it and it leaves a bunch of misplaced color= tags everywhere.
Originally posted by AzRaell33
*Snipping my comments and extraneous color tags.* First off let me apologies for editing your post. It was just to dam long, and half of its not worth a remark.
Just so you know I dont care. Your mind was already made up, and I am not here to try and change it.
I didnt start the mud slinging, and I am not going to roll over or let it slide when someone smarts off. I like the green text
Emotionally wrapped up? No I just have a low tolerance for BS and people who post BS. I tend to get spun up.
Now you can try to interpret the OP that way, but I dont think you are right. When I read the OP I see the subject in the first paragraph. Not the first sentance. You need to read a bit more than that. What turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. Everything else in the OP is in reference to that. Not LoTRO. AC1 was mentioned also, so are you now going to say this is a thread about AC1? How about DDO, and AC2 they were named as well. Why do you think these other games were brought up? To give as examples to the subject: what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You dont have to agree with me. Its just the way I see it. I agree my first post was about turdbine, but this is my second post: Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
Its an illustration I used as a come back to this post: Originally posted by Moirae You know, it's pretty idiotic to judge a game you haven't even taken part in yet just based on the company that made it. I am sticking to the topic that is what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You can't see that?
I am here because the TOPIC of this thread is turdbine. A subject I know something about. If you dont believe me scroll up and look, because its still there. Looks like this: Section: Lord of the Rings Online Forum: General Discussion Topic: Turbine For some reason some of you are trying to make it a LoTRO thread. When it's not.
You dont have to trust me or believe what I say. Turdbine has already proven themselves untrustworthy by there own actions. As for the press releases dont be stupid they are trying to get your money . No I dont know anything about any of that. Unlike jack I dont put up posts about companies I have no experience or knowledge of.
I'm just letting you know, coming into this thread your points have less weight the way you phrase them and call others liars. Since you're "trying to make people think twice" as you said, I'm just giving you the heads up that the way you're going about it makes you look like a hate boy from my perspective rather than someone trying to warn off people about Turbine. You also miss my point further on, what I am saying is that you sound as reliable as their corporate propaganda.
I can only respectfully disagree, the first part of my post was just as important as any other part and dismissing it out of hand the way you are can only make me think that you don't care to give as much weight to it as it deserves. A major part of your argument is that Turbine is going to rely on the "Lord of the Rings" title to secure a lot of box-sales. I'm questioning if that is a fiscally feasible plan, for several reasons. You would have to go back to their deal with Middle-Earth Online and Sierra, determine the purchasing price and count up development costs and the ultimate distribution and support costs with respect to the box price. MMORPGs typically amortize the costs of their lengthy development cycles over subscription fees. The idea that they are deliberately going to have the game in such a fashion that they get a minimum of long-term subscriptions with a high box price is contra to the normal business model.
Secondly, I point out that I and virtually everyone in this thread so far have been leery of Turbine. We're not preordering here unless we know whats in it and that we like it. Again this is essentially the reverse of what you've been trying to say is Turbine's plan. Yes, because of DDO in particular, which is more recent. AC2 as I understand it failed because it was too different from AC1.
All I can say about the original poster and the rest of the topic is that you are quite wrong. We are considering Turbine and it's past but only because of LOTRO. What determines if LOTRO is a good game or not is whether LOTRO is a good game or not. You can predict it will be shoddy based on developer all you like but it isn't an absolute.
About the OP, I think it is you that needs to read a little farther in, not I. What is his closing remark?
However that being said, the sun does shine on a dog's ass every once in a while if they pull it off all the power to em, just wouldn't hold your breath.
What is he talking about here except for Turbine and LOTRO?
That is exactly what me, Jack, and several other posters are saying. If they make a good game, we'll be very happy and possibly buy it. We aren't going to make up our minds not to buy it now just because it is being developed by Turbine.
As for you, you are definitely talking about LOTRO:
I only wish they would just roll over before they take anymore money from kids that just look at the game titles. You know that is the core of there marketing strategy, show them the title and make a sale
Like Lord of the Rings?
Furthermore I dont expect to be able to influence everyone not to buy this game. But I will get a few people that didnt know before to stop and think a bit before ordering a turdbine game.
Hmmm... An upcoming Turbine game... Lord of the Rings Online?
Please Dont kid yourself this game has nothing whatsoever to do with Tolkien.
"This game" being... DDO? Well, you'd be right in that case. Except insofar as Tolkien influences a lot of fantasy. Something makes me think you were talking about Lord of the Rings Online there though.
If you're not trying to convince some small number of people that read this thread to not get Lord of the Rings Online because Turbine is producing it, then it might be nice to know what you are doing. Because every time you say "this thread is about Turbine" I start wondering why LOTRO keeps popping up and why it is in the LOTRO forum except for that it is because we only care about Turbine because they are developing LOTRO.
I'm just letting you know, coming into this thread your points have less weight the way you phrase them and call others liars. Since you're "trying to make people think twice" as you said, I'm just giving you the heads up that the way you're going about it makes you look like a hate boy from my perspective rather than someone trying to warn off people about Turbine.
You opinion of the way I go about getting my point across means little to me.
You also miss my point further on, what I am saying is that you sound as reliable as their corporate propaganda.
Thats funny, it almost sounds like you are agreeing with my opinion of turdbines integrity in an attempt to insult me.
I can only respectfully disagree, the first part of my post was just as important as any other part and dismissing it out of hand the way you are can only make me think that you don't care to give as much weight to it as it deserves.
I dismissed the majority of the first part of your previous post because you made no points worth debate.
A major part of your argument is that Turbine is going to rely on the "Lord of the Rings" title to secure a lot of box-sales. I'm questioning if that is a fiscally feasible plan, for several reasons. You would have to go back to their deal with Middle-Earth Online and Sierra, determine the purchasing price and count up development costs and the ultimate distribution and support costs with respect to the box price. MMORPGs typically amortize the costs of their lengthy development cycles over subscription fees. The idea that they are deliberately going to have the game in such a fashion that they get a minimum of long-term subscriptions with a high box price is contra to the normal business model.
Your reasons are meaningless. You are trying to make it sound more complex than it is. You put a name on the box that has a large following associated with it and will sale. Its that simple.
I am not wasting my time to address each question in the rest of your post because its just a repeat of your previous post. You are still trying to debate over the topic of this thread, and the meaning of the OP. Your argument is pointless filler since I made it clear in my last post how I interpret the OP.
Originally posted by AzRaell33 You opinion of the way I go about getting my point across means little to me.
Thats funny, it almost sounds like you are agreeing with my opinion of turdbines integrity in an attempt to insult me.
I dismissed the majority of the first part of your previous post because you made no points worth debate. Your reasons are meaningless. You are trying to make it sound more complex than it is. You put a name on the box that has a large following associated with it and will sale. Its that simple.
I am not wasting my time to address each question in the rest of your post because its just a repeat of your previous post. You are still trying to debate over the topic of this thread, and the meaning of the OP. Your argument is pointless filler since I made it clear in my last post how I interpret the OP.
Ok, thats fair enough. I was just wondering if you could actually settle in and talk about this stuff or not. I guess it is "not".
If they aren't worthy of debate, they must be fundamentally and obviously flawed. Yet, you do not actually point out such flaws. You're just being dismissive out of hand which is rude and frankly it looks like you don't actually have any answers.
Of course they will sell some boxes based on the license to some people, they might even get some subscriptions. Which is basically what you say their whole plan for making money is. I'm saying that they may as easily lose money based on that strategy. There isn't anything invalid about that point unless they somehow got the license dirt cheap and faked their development staff so that the production costs were virtually nil (in other words, LOTRO is vaporware or near to that). Anything else and the sale of boxes and subscriptions is less than the cost of making the game. Which means that Turbine makes no money. Bad plan.
Your earlier posts seem to defy your own interpretation of the thread and what everyone else is talking about. Again, you're just being dismissive. The OP talks about LOTRO, you talk about LOTRO, most of the other posters talk about LOTRO, while trying to maintain that isn't what we're discussing. In my previous post, which you wrote off, I cited no less than three places where you talked about it. Anyone can go back and look. Amongst complaints about AC2, DDO, Turbine, and other posters you do in fact mention it and essentially condemn it.
What I and others are simply maintaining is that your judgements of LOTRO are premature and that we would prefer (including the OP) to see them produce a good game.
I dismissed the majority of the first part of your previous post because you made no points worth debate.
If they aren't worthy of debate, they must be fundamentally and obviously flawed. Yet, you do not actually point out such flaws. You're just being dismissive out of hand which is rude and frankly it looks like you don't actually have any answers.
Originally posted by Xpheyel
If it makes you feel better, I don't buy any games based on title. I don't buy them based on developer either, though. I buy them based on demos, trials, reviews from gaming sites, and the opinions of the gaming web comic artists who have suggested games I liked. If I got into some phase of the beta, open or a future invite, and discovered I liked the game, I would gladly purchase it over your objections and it wouldn't trouble me at all.
In your singular style you'll probably call me a liar at this point. I can walk through every CD on my desk if you like. I didn't even buy sequels to my favorite games until I could get them inexpensively because I wasn't absolutely sure about them. Sometimes to my sorrow, actually. I missed out on the hey days of StarCraft because I didn't like other RTS's and so avoided it until I actually played it at a friends house. My worst purchase was probably Call of Duty: United Offensive because I didn't check the system requirements closely enough and it was nearly unplayable on my old system when I first got it.
This is an example of youre ramblings I didnt considered worthy of remark. There are others but I am not going to cut them all out for your examination. You implying that I avoided questions you raised is a sad attempt to lend weight to your argument.
And this is exactly what I was talking about, you are looking on one thing and ignore every quotation of your own words, for example. Or the original poster's.
Mostly I didn't want to discuss impulsive buying habits that I didn't have with you. I thought laying the ground work was a fairly important portion of the whole point. Also pointing out how a lot of us would prefer to ultimately judge this game rather than dismiss it out of hand on a single aspect.
Originally posted by Xpheyel And this is exactly what I was talking about, you are looking on one thing and ignore every quotation of your own words, for example. Or the original poster's. Mostly I didn't want to discuss impulsive buying habits that I didn't have with you. I thought laying the ground work was a fairly important portion of the whole point. Also pointing out how a lot of us would prefer to ultimately judge this game rather than dismiss it out of hand on a single aspect.
And this is exactly what I was talking about, you are looking on one thing and ignore every quotation of your own words, for example. Or the original poster's.
I take portions I want to comment on or refute, and address them, very much like I am doing right now line for line. I am not going to continue to rehash things we are obviously not going to agree on. Like the topic of the OP.
Mostly I didn't want to discuss impulsive buying habits that I didn't have with you. I thought laying the ground work was a fairly important portion of the whole point. Also pointing out how a lot of us would prefer to ultimately judge this game rather than dismiss it out of hand on a single aspect.
Well you did, and what you were doing was rambling not lying ground work for a point. An excessive amount of words with little content, you must work for turdbine.
turdbine has demonstrated there lack of creativity, poor judgment, and the habit of promising 10X what they are capable of delivering. Anything they produce will be a near copy of previous works with minor tweaks to game play and a new title. You can hold your breath if you like but blue is not my shade so I will pass
I take portions I want to comment on or refute, and address them, very much like I am doing right now line for line. I am not going to continue to rehash things we are obviously not going to agree on. Like the topic of the OP.
Well you did, and what you were doing was rambling not lying ground work for a point. An excessive amount of words with little content, you must work for turdbine.
turdbine has demonstrated there lack of creativity, poor judgment, and the habit of promising 10X what they are capable of delivering. Anything they produce will be a near copy of previous works with minor tweaks to game play and a new title. You can hold your breath if you like but blue is not my shade so I will pass
I'm not even really interested in what your interpretation of the OP is now, either. I'm more interested in what your interpretation of your comments is. This thread is about Turbine, not LOTRO. So why did you talk about it before I arrived? Then flip it around when other people started trying to talk about LOTRO? You don't want to comment on or refute that?
Yes the past year and a half was building up cover to promote LOTRO at its final moments. You, as a disgruntled customer well known to our elite hit-squad of "Customer Service Representatives", were specifically targeted and I was dispatched. Turbine, my employer, does you devious evil know no bounds? Like Shelob herself, I have patiently awaited for the prey to enter my webs and will relentlessly pursue it until my hunger has been sated.
Colorful prose. Yes, I'll hold my breath, metaphysically speaking. Innovative features aren't that important to me in this game as simply a good execution that plays fair with the lore. It sounds like a lot of things which bother some people just are not going to bug me (RVR PVP, evil PCs, instancing, quests).
I take portions I want to comment on or refute, and address them, very much like I am doing right now line for line. I am not going to continue to rehash things we are obviously not going to agree on. Like the topic of the OP. Well you did, and what you were doing was rambling not lying ground work for a point. An excessive amount of words with little content, you must work for turdbine.
turdbine has demonstrated there lack of creativity, poor judgment, and the habit of promising 10X what they are capable of delivering. Anything they produce will be a near copy of previous works with minor tweaks to game play and a new title. You can hold your breath if you like but blue is not my shade so I will pass
I'm not even really interested in what your interpretation of the OP is now, either. I'm more interested in what your interpretation of your comments is. This thread is about Turbine, not LOTRO. So why did you talk about it before I arrived? Then flip it around when other people started trying to talk about LOTRO? You don't want to comment on or refute that?
You can hardly talk about a companys unreliability and poor decision making without referencing some of there past and present works. I used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game. Note that I also mentioned every other game that I know of that turdbine has had there hands on. AC1, AC2, and DDO Since turdbine has only been out on there own for the last few years there is not much to choose from. Getting pulled into a debate by another poster over LoTRO doesn't count, because it wasn't instagated by me.
I dont think its right to even give them credit for AC1, or AC2, because M$ was running that show and turdbine just bought the rights much later. They were good games until turdbine started making the decisions. Who knows AC1 might still be good. Of course it had already been around three years or so when turdbine took over. Less to screw up unlike AC2 witch they ran straight into the ground. A multitude of long term bugs that never got fixed. Promises of content galore when all we go was kill 10 of these or 20 of those, and even that was months late. Lets not forget the new PLAYABLE MONSER RACE, that only had half the skills and was gimped beyond playable. Fumble after fumble. Just the first one of turdbines massive multiplayer failures. Of course they wouldnt shoulder the responsibility for the failure they blamed it on the players, and payment methods. O now look you have gotten me started talking about AC2. Should we make this an AC2 thread now?????
Originally posted by AzRaell33 You can hardly talk about a companys unreliability and poor decision making without referencing some of there past and present works. I used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game. Note that I also mentioned every other game that I know of that turdbine has had there hands on. AC1, AC2, and DDO Since turdbine has only been out on there own for the last few years there is not much to choose from. Getting pulled into a debate by another poster over LoTRO doesn't count, because it wasn't instagated by me.
I dont think its right to even give them credit for AC1, or AC2, because M$ was running that show and turdbine just bought the rights much later. They were good games until turdbine started making the decisions. Who knows AC1 might still be good. Of course it had already been around three years or so when turdbine took over. Less to screw up unlike AC2 witch they ran straight into the ground. A multitude of long term bugs that never got fixed. Promises of content galore when all we go was kill 10 of these or 20 of those, and even that was months late. Lets not forget the new PLAYABLE MONSER RACE, that only had half the skills and was gimped beyond playable. Fumble after fumble. Just the first one of turdbines massive multiplayer failures. Of course they wouldnt shoulder the responsibility for the failure they blamed it on the players, and payment methods. O now look you have gotten me started talking about AC2. Should we make this an AC2 thread now?????
Past and present? Their only present game is the one I'm talking about! Its why this abberation of a thread is in this forum at all. It's been AC1, AC2, DDO and LOTRO all along.
So I guess this:
They will never produce anything better than they already have. Strike Three. I only wish they would just roll over before they take anymore money from kids that just look at the game titles. You know that is the core of there marketing strategy, show them the title and make a sale
Was a "purely hypothetical" example of some future game which they may acquire the license to and make a poor implemented overhyped game out of at some later date and doesn't reference LOTRO at all? Its pointless and self-fulfilling instead of premature then. I could hop into the VSOH and say "Eventually on some future game Sony is going to make a really bad gamewreaking decision." Which would probably be completely true but also probably irrelevant to VSOH fans.
Tell you what, if LOTRO has a buggy premature launch with a horde of unimplemented features, I'll happily concede the point.
Originally posted by AzRaell33 You can hardly talk about a companys unreliability and poor decision making without referencing some of there past and present works. I used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game.
Past and present? Their only present game is the one I'm talking about! Its why this abberation of a thread is in this forum at all. It's been AC1, AC2, DDO and LOTRO all along.
They have two games presently AC1, and DDO. LoTRO has yet to be released so is not a present game.
So I guess this:
They will never produce anything better than they already have. Strike Three. I only wish they would just roll over before they take anymore money from kids that just look at the game titles. You know that is the core of there marketing strategy, show them the title and make a sale
Was a "purely hypothetical" example of some future game which they may acquire the license to and make a poor implemented overhyped game out of at some later date and doesn't reference LOTRO at all? Its pointless and self-fulfilling instead of premature then.
I clearly statedI used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game., and you intentionally picked one that wasn't in a poor attempt to reinforce your argument. Since its beyond your ability to find one I took the liberty of digging one out for you:
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
Originally posted by Moirae Az, just because you don't like what you see doesn't mean other people don't.
I happen to think PvMP is probably the ONLY viable version of PvP out there that won't lead to the worst possible behaviors in an MMO.
First off why are you talking about PvMP??? When you get that figured out ask yourself if you really think I dont know everyone has there own likes and dislikes. If we all thought alike there wouldnt be long drawn out arguments on the forums now would there?
Because that's the form of PvP that's being offered, Az. Seriously, are you even reading what people are actually posting or are you just looking at the words?
Originally posted by AzRaell33 I clearly stated I used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game., and you intentionally picked one that wasn't in a poor attempt to reinforce your argument. Since its beyond your ability to find one I took the liberty of digging one out for you:
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
You're saying your first post wasn't a hypothetical example? I'm willing to admit that I misinterpretted "past and present", I was thinking in development with "strike three" implying that AC2 and DDO were strikes 1 and 2 and LOTRO was strike 3. And aren't you talking about the game in the second because you were "dragged into" the argument?
Originally posted by Moirae Az, just because you don't like what you see doesn't mean other people don't.
I happen to think PvMP is probably the ONLY viable version of PvP out there that won't lead to the worst possible behaviors in an MMO.
First off why are you talking about PvMP??? When you get that figured out ask yourself if you really think I dont know everyone has there own likes and dislikes. If we all thought alike there wouldnt be long drawn out arguments on the forums now would there?
Originally posted by Moirae Because that's the form of PvP that's being offered, Az. Seriously, are you even reading what people are actually posting or are you just looking at the words?
Since you started your post with Az, I assumed it was directed toward me. Now I havent said anything about PvPM, and I am curious why you are throwing it at me like I was against it when I never said anything about it. Now I have to ask " are you even reading what people are actually posting or are you just looking at the words?"
guys this is getting boring keep on topic rather than posting argumentative and sarcastic remarks about each other its boring and rather pointless and makes you seem like all the other immature idiots that spend there time spamming forums with there crap
and yes i know that this post also falls into the same category as i just mentioned
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This game, properly implemented and development times, if they pull it off. Everything the OP has talked about is in relationship to LOTRO. Your first post was essentially only about Turbine, your second however was a judgement of LOTRO. And if you're trying to say now that the thread has nothing to do with the game, why are you even here? Why is this thread the target for some kind of subtopic exclusively about Turbine and your apparently unpleasant past with it? Why should we trust someone so vehement and caught up with Turbine that they'd proclaim a game trick and a failure months before its release any more than Turbine's press releases about it?
The OP is actually dead on, it makes perfect sense for people to be leery of another Turbine game and not get as hyped up about it as they would if someone else was making it. With the entirely proper caveat that if the game is of quality when it does come out, it should be judged on its merits and not put down in advance because its developer has made bad decisions in the past.
Finally you just are not going to find the legions of LOTRO fans here so you're kind of wasting your time. Shouldn't you be warning the Age of Conan fans about Anarchy Online's buggy launch? Or Vanguard fans about Sony's innumerable sins? What about EA-Mythic and Trammel? They never fixed that did they, and now they're making Warhammer, plus EA high-ups have frequently been ass hats with their exclusive contracts, for instance. I think all three of those games are more anticipated on MMORPG.com than LOTRO.
First off let me apologies for editing your post. It was just to dam long, and half of its not worth a remark.
Just so you know, you're not really making me think twice about being interested in LOTRO at all.
Just so you know I dont care. Your mind was already made up, and I am not here to try and change it.
Its an incredibly unconvincing performance you're putting on littered with insults and personal attacks. All of your valid points are buried under calling other posters names in annoying bright green text.
I didnt start the mud slinging, and I am not going to roll over or let it slide when someone smarts off. I like the green text
You're obviously incredibly emotionally wrapped up in this and it detracts from every point you make.
Emotionally wrapped up? No I just have a low tolerance for BS and people who post BS. I tend to get spun up.
We're back to LOTRO at this point, because the thread isn't about Turbine as a company in some kind of vacuum. You can go back to the original post:
Now you can try to interpret the OP that way, but I dont think you are right. When I read the OP I see the subject in the first paragraph. Not the first sentance. You need to read a bit more than that. What turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. Everything else in the OP is in reference to that. Not LoTRO. AC1 was mentioned also, so are you now going to say this is a thread about AC1? How about DDO, and AC2 they were named as well. Why do you think these other games were brought up? To give as examples to the subject: what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You dont have to agree with me. Its just the way I see it.
Your first post was essentially only about Turbine, your second however was a judgement of LOTRO.
I agree my first post was about turdbine, but this is my second post:
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
Its an illustration I used as a come back to this post:
Originally posted by Moirae
You know, it's pretty idiotic to judge a game you haven't even taken part in yet just based on the company that made it.
I am sticking to the topic that is what turdbine has done in the past and how they handle things. You can't see that?
And if you're trying to say now that the thread has nothing to do with the game, why are you even here? Why is this thread the target for some kind of subtopic exclusively about Turbine and your apparently unpleasant past with it?
I am here because the TOPIC of this thread is turdbine. A subject I know something about. If you dont believe me scroll up and look, because its still there. Looks like this:
Section:
Lord of the Rings Online
Forum:
General Discussion
Topic:
Turbine
For some reason some of you are trying to make it a LoTRO thread. When it's not.
Why should we trust someone so vehement and caught up with Turbine that they'd proclaim a game trick and a failure months before its release any more than Turbine's press releases about it?
You dont have to trust me or believe what I say. Turdbine has already proven themselves untrustworthy by there own actions. As for the press releases dont be stupid they are trying to get your money .
Shouldn't you be warning the Age of Conan fans about Anarchy Online's buggy launch? Or Vanguard fans about Sony's innumerable sins? What about EA-Mythic and Trammel? They never fixed that did they, and now they're making Warhammer, plus EA high-ups
No I dont know anything about any of that. Unlike jack I dont put up posts about companies I have no experience or knowledge of.
Grow up.
i watches a program on tv once about the first lotr movies and games and one of the developers of the game was talking about how difficult it is to get permission to use tolkiens work as hiss family do not want his name to be used to sell inferior products i'm sure that tolkiens family will alose be expecting this game to be made to those high standards also so i'm gonna wait till the game is released or i can get on the beta before i pass judgement but be warned turbine me and many other lotr's fans are expecting great things not just an average wow clone
Formatting on this forum is terrible. One more reason to hate the green text. They don't all come with the thread when you quote it and it leaves a bunch of misplaced color= tags everywhere.
I'm just letting you know, coming into this thread your points have less weight the way you phrase them and call others liars. Since you're "trying to make people think twice" as you said, I'm just giving you the heads up that the way you're going about it makes you look like a hate boy from my perspective rather than someone trying to warn off people about Turbine. You also miss my point further on, what I am saying is that you sound as reliable as their corporate propaganda.
I can only respectfully disagree, the first part of my post was just as important as any other part and dismissing it out of hand the way you are can only make me think that you don't care to give as much weight to it as it deserves. A major part of your argument is that Turbine is going to rely on the "Lord of the Rings" title to secure a lot of box-sales. I'm questioning if that is a fiscally feasible plan, for several reasons. You would have to go back to their deal with Middle-Earth Online and Sierra, determine the purchasing price and count up development costs and the ultimate distribution and support costs with respect to the box price. MMORPGs typically amortize the costs of their lengthy development cycles over subscription fees. The idea that they are deliberately going to have the game in such a fashion that they get a minimum of long-term subscriptions with a high box price is contra to the normal business model.
Secondly, I point out that I and virtually everyone in this thread so far have been leery of Turbine. We're not preordering here unless we know whats in it and that we like it. Again this is essentially the reverse of what you've been trying to say is Turbine's plan. Yes, because of DDO in particular, which is more recent. AC2 as I understand it failed because it was too different from AC1.
All I can say about the original poster and the rest of the topic is that you are quite wrong. We are considering Turbine and it's past but only because of LOTRO. What determines if LOTRO is a good game or not is whether LOTRO is a good game or not. You can predict it will be shoddy based on developer all you like but it isn't an absolute.
About the OP, I think it is you that needs to read a little farther in, not I. What is his closing remark?
What is he talking about here except for Turbine and LOTRO?
That is exactly what me, Jack, and several other posters are saying. If they make a good game, we'll be very happy and possibly buy it. We aren't going to make up our minds not to buy it now just because it is being developed by Turbine.
As for you, you are definitely talking about LOTRO:
Like Lord of the Rings?
Hmmm... An upcoming Turbine game... Lord of the Rings Online?
"This game" being... DDO? Well, you'd be right in that case. Except insofar as Tolkien influences a lot of fantasy. Something makes me think you were talking about Lord of the Rings Online there though.
If you're not trying to convince some small number of people that read this thread to not get Lord of the Rings Online because Turbine is producing it, then it might be nice to know what you are doing. Because every time you say "this thread is about Turbine" I start wondering why LOTRO keeps popping up and why it is in the LOTRO forum except for that it is because we only care about Turbine because they are developing LOTRO.
Grow up.
Grow up.
And you just proved me right and completely lost whatever argument you were trying to make by acting like a child. Thank you.
Grow up.
And you just proved me right and completely lost whatever argument you were trying to make by acting like a child. Thank you.
Cry some more I almost feel sorry for you.
this arguement is stupid, y dont u both shut up.
this type of arguement is pointlessa nd wont get ne1 newhere.
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I'm just letting you know, coming into this thread your points have less weight the way you phrase them and call others liars. Since you're "trying to make people think twice" as you said, I'm just giving you the heads up that the way you're going about it makes you look like a hate boy from my perspective rather than someone trying to warn off people about Turbine. You also miss my point further on, what I am saying is that you sound as reliable as their corporate propaganda.
I can only respectfully disagree, the first part of my post was just as important as any other part and dismissing it out of hand the way you are can only make me think that you don't care to give as much weight to it as it deserves. A major part of your argument is that Turbine is going to rely on the "Lord of the Rings" title to secure a lot of box-sales. I'm questioning if that is a fiscally feasible plan, for several reasons. You would have to go back to their deal with Middle-Earth Online and Sierra, determine the purchasing price and count up development costs and the ultimate distribution and support costs with respect to the box price. MMORPGs typically amortize the costs of their lengthy development cycles over subscription fees. The idea that they are deliberately going to have the game in such a fashion that they get a minimum of long-term subscriptions with a high box price is contra to the normal business model.
Secondly, I point out that I and virtually everyone in this thread so far have been leery of Turbine. We're not preordering here unless we know whats in it and that we like it. Again this is essentially the reverse of what you've been trying to say is Turbine's plan. Yes, because of DDO in particular, which is more recent. AC2 as I understand it failed because it was too different from AC1.
All I can say about the original poster and the rest of the topic is that you are quite wrong. We are considering Turbine and it's past but only because of LOTRO. What determines if LOTRO is a good game or not is whether LOTRO is a good game or not. You can predict it will be shoddy based on developer all you like but it isn't an absolute.
About the OP, I think it is you that needs to read a little farther in, not I. What is his closing remark?
What is he talking about here except for Turbine and LOTRO?
That is exactly what me, Jack, and several other posters are saying. If they make a good game, we'll be very happy and possibly buy it. We aren't going to make up our minds not to buy it now just because it is being developed by Turbine.
As for you, you are definitely talking about LOTRO:
Like Lord of the Rings?
Hmmm... An upcoming Turbine game... Lord of the Rings Online?
"This game" being... DDO? Well, you'd be right in that case. Except insofar as Tolkien influences a lot of fantasy. Something makes me think you were talking about Lord of the Rings Online there though.
If you're not trying to convince some small number of people that read this thread to not get Lord of the Rings Online because Turbine is producing it, then it might be nice to know what you are doing. Because every time you say "this thread is about Turbine" I start wondering why LOTRO keeps popping up and why it is in the LOTRO forum except for that it is because we only care about Turbine because they are developing LOTRO.
I'm just letting you know, coming into this thread your points have less weight the way you phrase them and call others liars. Since you're "trying to make people think twice" as you said, I'm just giving you the heads up that the way you're going about it makes you look like a hate boy from my perspective rather than someone trying to warn off people about Turbine.
You opinion of the way I go about getting my point across means little to me.
You also miss my point further on, what I am saying is that you sound as reliable as their corporate propaganda.
Thats funny, it almost sounds like you are agreeing with my opinion of turdbines integrity in an attempt to insult me.
I can only respectfully disagree, the first part of my post was just as important as any other part and dismissing it out of hand the way you are can only make me think that you don't care to give as much weight to it as it deserves.
I dismissed the majority of the first part of your previous post because you made no points worth debate.
A major part of your argument is that Turbine is going to rely on the "Lord of the Rings" title to secure a lot of box-sales. I'm questioning if that is a fiscally feasible plan, for several reasons. You would have to go back to their deal with Middle-Earth Online and Sierra, determine the purchasing price and count up development costs and the ultimate distribution and support costs with respect to the box price. MMORPGs typically amortize the costs of their lengthy development cycles over subscription fees. The idea that they are deliberately going to have the game in such a fashion that they get a minimum of long-term subscriptions with a high box price is contra to the normal business model.
Your reasons are meaningless. You are trying to make it sound more complex than it is. You put a name on the box that has a large following associated with it and will sale. Its that simple.
I am not wasting my time to address each question in the rest of your post because its just a repeat of your previous post. You are still trying to debate over the topic of this thread, and the meaning of the OP. Your argument is pointless filler since I made it clear in my last post how I interpret the OP.
Ok, thats fair enough. I was just wondering if you could actually settle in and talk about this stuff or not. I guess it is "not".
If they aren't worthy of debate, they must be fundamentally and obviously flawed. Yet, you do not actually point out such flaws. You're just being dismissive out of hand which is rude and frankly it looks like you don't actually have any answers.
Of course they will sell some boxes based on the license to some people, they might even get some subscriptions. Which is basically what you say their whole plan for making money is. I'm saying that they may as easily lose money based on that strategy. There isn't anything invalid about that point unless they somehow got the license dirt cheap and faked their development staff so that the production costs were virtually nil (in other words, LOTRO is vaporware or near to that). Anything else and the sale of boxes and subscriptions is less than the cost of making the game. Which means that Turbine makes no money. Bad plan.
Your earlier posts seem to defy your own interpretation of the thread and what everyone else is talking about. Again, you're just being dismissive. The OP talks about LOTRO, you talk about LOTRO, most of the other posters talk about LOTRO, while trying to maintain that isn't what we're discussing. In my previous post, which you wrote off, I cited no less than three places where you talked about it. Anyone can go back and look. Amongst complaints about AC2, DDO, Turbine, and other posters you do in fact mention it and essentially condemn it.
What I and others are simply maintaining is that your judgements of LOTRO are premature and that we would prefer (including the OP) to see them produce a good game.
If they aren't worthy of debate, they must be fundamentally and obviously flawed. Yet, you do not actually point out such flaws. You're just being dismissive out of hand which is rude and frankly it looks like you don't actually have any answers.
Originally posted by Xpheyel
If it makes you feel better, I don't buy any games based on title. I don't buy them based on developer either, though. I buy them based on demos, trials, reviews from gaming sites, and the opinions of the gaming web comic artists who have suggested games I liked. If I got into some phase of the beta, open or a future invite, and discovered I liked the game, I would gladly purchase it over your objections and it wouldn't trouble me at all.
In your singular style you'll probably call me a liar at this point. I can walk through every CD on my desk if you like. I didn't even buy sequels to my favorite games until I could get them inexpensively because I wasn't absolutely sure about them. Sometimes to my sorrow, actually. I missed out on the hey days of StarCraft because I didn't like other RTS's and so avoided it until I actually played it at a friends house. My worst purchase was probably Call of Duty: United Offensive because I didn't check the system requirements closely enough and it was nearly unplayable on my old system when I first got it.
This is an example of youre ramblings I didnt considered worthy of remark. There are others but I am not going to cut them all out for your examination. You implying that I avoided questions you raised is a sad attempt to lend weight to your argument.
And this is exactly what I was talking about, you are looking on one thing and ignore every quotation of your own words, for example. Or the original poster's.
Mostly I didn't want to discuss impulsive buying habits that I didn't have with you. I thought laying the ground work was a fairly important portion of the whole point. Also pointing out how a lot of us would prefer to ultimately judge this game rather than dismiss it out of hand on a single aspect.
And this is exactly what I was talking about, you are looking on one thing and ignore every quotation of your own words, for example. Or the original poster's.
I take portions I want to comment on or refute, and address them, very much like I am doing right now line for line. I am not going to continue to rehash things we are obviously not going to agree on. Like the topic of the OP.
Mostly I didn't want to discuss impulsive buying habits that I didn't have with you. I thought laying the ground work was a fairly important portion of the whole point. Also pointing out how a lot of us would prefer to ultimately judge this game rather than dismiss it out of hand on a single aspect.
Well you did, and what you were doing was rambling not lying ground work for a point. An excessive amount of words with little content, you must work for turdbine.
turdbine has demonstrated there lack of creativity, poor judgment, and the habit of promising 10X what they are capable of delivering. Anything they produce will be a near copy of previous works with minor tweaks to game play and a new title. You can hold your breath if you like but blue is not my shade so I will pass
I'm not even really interested in what your interpretation of the OP is now, either. I'm more interested in what your interpretation of your comments is. This thread is about Turbine, not LOTRO. So why did you talk about it before I arrived? Then flip it around when other people started trying to talk about LOTRO? You don't want to comment on or refute that?
Yes the past year and a half was building up cover to promote LOTRO at its final moments. You, as a disgruntled customer well known to our elite hit-squad of "Customer Service Representatives", were specifically targeted and I was dispatched. Turbine, my employer, does you devious evil know no bounds? Like Shelob herself, I have patiently awaited for the prey to enter my webs and will relentlessly pursue it until my hunger has been sated.
Colorful prose. Yes, I'll hold my breath, metaphysically speaking. Innovative features aren't that important to me in this game as simply a good execution that plays fair with the lore. It sounds like a lot of things which bother some people just are not going to bug me (RVR PVP, evil PCs, instancing, quests).
I'm not even really interested in what your interpretation of the OP is now, either. I'm more interested in what your interpretation of your comments is. This thread is about Turbine, not LOTRO. So why did you talk about it before I arrived? Then flip it around when other people started trying to talk about LOTRO? You don't want to comment on or refute that?
You can hardly talk about a companys unreliability and poor decision making without referencing some of there past and present works. I used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game. Note that I also mentioned every other game that I know of that turdbine has had there hands on. AC1, AC2, and DDO Since turdbine has only been out on there own for the last few years there is not much to choose from. Getting pulled into a debate by another poster over LoTRO doesn't count, because it wasn't instagated by me.
I dont think its right to even give them credit for AC1, or AC2, because M$ was running that show and turdbine just bought the rights much later. They were good games until turdbine started making the decisions. Who knows AC1 might still be good. Of course it had already been around three years or so when turdbine took over. Less to screw up unlike AC2 witch they ran straight into the ground. A multitude of long term bugs that never got fixed. Promises of content galore when all we go was kill 10 of these or 20 of those, and even that was months late. Lets not forget the new PLAYABLE MONSER RACE, that only had half the skills and was gimped beyond playable. Fumble after fumble. Just the first one of turdbines massive multiplayer failures. Of course they wouldnt shoulder the responsibility for the failure they blamed it on the players, and payment methods. O now look you have gotten me started talking about AC2. Should we make this an AC2 thread now?????
Past and present? Their only present game is the one I'm talking about! Its why this abberation of a thread is in this forum at all. It's been AC1, AC2, DDO and LOTRO all along.
So I guess this:
Was a "purely hypothetical" example of some future game which they may acquire the license to and make a poor implemented overhyped game out of at some later date and doesn't reference LOTRO at all? Its pointless and self-fulfilling instead of premature then. I could hop into the VSOH and say "Eventually on some future game Sony is going to make a really bad gamewreaking decision." Which would probably be completely true but also probably irrelevant to VSOH fans.
Tell you what, if LOTRO has a buggy premature launch with a horde of unimplemented features, I'll happily concede the point.
I happen to think PvMP is probably the ONLY viable version of PvP out there that won't lead to the worst possible behaviors in an MMO.
Past and present? Their only present game is the one I'm talking about! Its why this abberation of a thread is in this forum at all. It's been AC1, AC2, DDO and LOTRO all along.
They have two games presently AC1, and DDO. LoTRO has yet to be released so is not a present game.
So I guess this:
Was a "purely hypothetical" example of some future game which they may acquire the license to and make a poor implemented overhyped game out of at some later date and doesn't reference LOTRO at all? Its pointless and self-fulfilling instead of premature then.
I clearly stated I used hypothetical examples a couple times trying to avoid singling out any one particular game., and you intentionally picked one that wasn't in a poor attempt to reinforce your argument. Since its beyond your ability to find one I took the liberty of digging one out for you:
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
First off why are you talking about PvMP??? When you get that figured out ask yourself if you really think I dont know everyone has there own likes and dislikes. If we all thought alike there wouldnt be long drawn out arguments on the forums now would there?
You're saying your first post wasn't a hypothetical example? I'm willing to admit that I misinterpretted "past and present", I was thinking in development with "strike three" implying that AC2 and DDO were strikes 1 and 2 and LOTRO was strike 3. And aren't you talking about the game in the second because you were "dragged into" the argument?
Originally posted by Moirae
Because that's the form of PvP that's being offered, Az. Seriously, are you even reading what people are actually posting or are you just looking at the words?
Since you started your post with Az, I assumed it was directed toward me. Now I havent said anything about PvPM, and I am curious why you are throwing it at me like I was against it when I never said anything about it. Now I have to ask " are you even reading what people are actually posting or are you just looking at the words?"
guys this is getting boring keep on topic rather than posting argumentative and sarcastic remarks about each other its boring and rather pointless and makes you seem like all the other immature idiots that spend there time spamming forums with there crap
and yes i know that this post also falls into the same category as i just mentioned