Why??? =(

andersd

Hello everyone!!

Why is it always only US and Canada that is allowed to enter those contests for free beta giveaways?

I live in sweden and never get the chance to be in those contests. It's so boring and unfair =(.

I wish you guys that lives in US or canada good luck with the contests.

Gahhhh ;o)

bsherlock

i didnt realise that, may explain why i never win

Muahahahahahahaha

.ghost

move to the land of opportunity? =D =p but ya, that truly sucks for ya bud

deggilator

Partially, I assume, it is because many betas are only conducted in North America or Korea.

lyonman24

jas been axplained before reason is that they cant enforce a NDA overseas sorry

lodossman

That is probably a lie. Maybe they are all just racist. HAHAHA!    

 

I am only kidding. But seriously, I think that it is a bit unfair as well, they do so much for the US and Canada.

*cough* Trading *cough*

I will make them let you beta test, I swear I will.   

bsherlock

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Galoot

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Originally posted by bsherlock

I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that this is in the most part the reason why all games are the same, and flawed. Because Americans tend to have no clue about anything. I hope this isnt insulting to too many people but the majority of Americans dont care about anyone who isnt American, therefore beta isnt released anywhere else and they dont care, also the games are catered to the American market, and thus what anyone else wants does not really matter. What is needed is a non-american company with a HUGE budget to try and produce an MMORPG.
Dislaimer: i have no idea how many MMORPG's are made by Americans and non-Americans alike. The above may be my opinion and maybe not.

Muahahahahahahaha

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Wow. Not out on a limb but rather out of your tree. But then that's just my opinion. But I will excuse you because you are either (1) very ignorant or (2) too lazy to find out the truth.

bsherlock

hehe, both to be honest mate. plus english so there is the American hating thingy which we mostly have (apart from our PM)

Muahahahahahahaha

Galoot

Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.

But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.

hercules

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Originally posted by Galoot

Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.
But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.

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First to the guy been narrow minded and calling most americans clueless thats a stupid statement to make for sure and makes you narrow minded.

Secondly for the poster above I guess you are referring to WW2  since it falls in that timeline and I guess you are trying to say your father(an american) saved us brits.

Sorry but we fought our own war and we all helped each other thats what the allies are for.I can easily say the Russians saved us by taking a majority of the german army in the battles of the eastern front.Read the history of WW2 and you would find majority of the biggest battles were mainly fought by the Russians.

But did the Russians save UK?Perhaps but then we saved them by taking pressure off them too.Same goes for USA .

USA joined the war after it was attacked by Japan ,who was an ally of Germany .And Germany shortly after declared war on USA.

So don't be narrow minded as the my fellow european who I already mentioned .We helped each other simple as that.

 

TheThriller

Man i am upset enough as it is knowing i never win, but knowing that you dont even get the chance to not win.......thats a killer.

Finwe

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Originally posted by hercules
Originally posted by Galoot
Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.
But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.First to the guy been narrow minded and calling most americans clueless thats a stupid statement to make for sure and makes you narrow minded.
Secondly for the poster above I guess you are referring to WW2  since it falls in that timeline and I guess you are trying to say your father(an american) saved us brits.
Sorry but we fought our own war and we all helped each other thats what the allies are for.I can easily say the Russians saved us by taking a majority of the german army in the battles of the eastern front.Read the history of WW2 and you would find majority of the biggest battles were mainly fought by the Russians.
But did the Russians save UK?Perhaps but then we saved them by taking pressure off them too.Same goes for USA .
USA joined the war after it was attacked by Japan ,who was an ally of Germany .And Germany shortly after declared war on USA.
So don't be narrow minded as the my fellow european who I already mentioned .We helped each other simple as that.
 

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Ya, to say america won the war for everyone is a load of bull, it was the allies against the axis, not america against the axis. Pretty arrogant to think otherwise.

TheThriller

Wait Nazis lost WWII?...i didnt know we lost...i mean they...my membership expired month ago...i mean.....uhh...what am i talkin aboot.

(Note: Yes americans are ignorant, im German me self and if i had to pick a winner i would say the brits or russians. The only real success the americans had was overseas with the japs.)

Anofalye

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Originally posted by TheThriller

Wait Nazis lost WWII?...i didnt know we lost...i mean they...my membership expired month ago...i mean.....uhh...what am i talkin aboot.
(Note: Yes americans are ignorant, im German me self and if i had to pick a winner i would say the brits or russians. The only real success the americans had was overseas with the japs.)

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CANADA!!!  CANADA!!!  I swear, we where in Holland!!!  *grin*

But history show that the Americans are just the opposite of the French, they never ever pick a challenging fight willingly(which is not bad in itself, but dont play the hero card), they where always draw into it...or it is like beating a kid that cant walk alone.   No offense meant, but I see USA talk strongly at Iraq, but they sure STFU when it come to China!

USA is the only country that have tried to invade Canada...and because they where not able to understand our frenchies they went back home in 1814!  (Brits razing Washington to a pile of dust certainly matter a little althought)

- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''

Misti

How does a topic go from mmorpgs not opening beta tests to Europe devolve into arguments about who won what war?

Pointing at the U.S. and saying its their fault is awfully silly as many of the biggest mmorpgs aren't even from there to start with.  Lineage, Lineage 2, FFXI, Dark and Light, Ryzom to name a few were all developed outside of the U.S.

For those developed in the U.S. I think the NDA and other issues are the reasoning, not because they don't care what Europeans think or in some odd attempt to deprive them access.  Remember, these companies are trying to make money and they are unlikely to try to exclude anyone just because.

I can definitely see where it would be aggravating though when you really want to test. 

Galoot

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Originally posted by hercules



Originally posted by Galoot

Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.
But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.

First to the guy been narrow minded and calling most americans clueless thats a stupid statement to make for sure and makes you narrow minded.

Secondly for the poster above I guess you are referring to WW2  since it falls in that timeline and I guess you are trying to say your father(an american) saved us brits.

Sorry but we fought our own war and we all helped each other thats what the allies are for.I can easily say the Russians saved us by taking a majority of the german army in the battles of the eastern front.Read the history of WW2 and you would find majority of the biggest battles were mainly fought by the Russians.

But did the Russians save UK?Perhaps but then we saved them by taking pressure off them too.Same goes for USA .

(1)-->>>***USA joined the war after it was attacked by Japan ,who was an ally of Germany .And Germany shortly after declared war on USA.***<<<--

So don't be narrow minded as the my fellow european who I already mentioned .We helped each other simple as that.

 

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(1)  Not so fast. Although we were 'officially neutral', we had pilots and air crews working in the RAF ( see Eagle Squadrons) and flying in China ( see Flying Tigers) up until the attack on Pearl Harbor at which time they merged back in with the Army Air Corps.

During that whole period of time, we supplied weapons and aircraft to the UK under lend/lease. Also we shipped food and clothing ect via our Merchant Marine Service that was about the only thing keeping you alive (along with the crews from the UK and my Canadian neighbors but at that time the same thing eh?). We stayed 'neutral' even though our ships were being sunk on a regular basis from the U-Boat Wolf Packs. In fact our Merchant Marine Service suffered the highest losses. More than the Army, Navy, Air Corps or Marines as a percentage.

Staying 'neutral' allowed us to ramp up our manufacturing base so as to supply not only our own armed forces, but the allied forces as well. ( and when I say supply I don't mean every gun or bullet)

(2) If you re-read my post you'll see that I said he HELPED.

Alient

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Originally posted by bsherlock
What is needed is a non-american company with a HUGE budget to try and produce an MMORPG.

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Neocron was produced by a German company and had beta testers from outside of the US and Canada. I think it has more to do with legal issues than anything else. If someone breaks a NDA and they live in another country, hard to do any enforcing besides cancelling the person's beta account.

And why do you have to pick on Americans and not Canadians? They get to beta test too?

Galoot

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Originally posted by Finwe




Originally posted by hercules


Originally posted by Galoot
Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.
But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.

First to the guy been narrow minded and calling most americans clueless thats a stupid statement to make for sure and makes you narrow minded.
Secondly for the poster above I guess you are referring to WW2  since it falls in that timeline and I guess you are trying to say your father(an american) saved us brits.
Sorry but we fought our own war and we all helped each other thats what the allies are for.I can easily say the Russians saved us by taking a majority of the german army in the battles of the eastern front.Read the history of WW2 and you would find majority of the biggest battles were mainly fought by the Russians.
But did the Russians save UK?Perhaps but then we saved them by taking pressure off them too.Same goes for USA .
USA joined the war after it was attacked by Japan ,who was an ally of Germany .And Germany shortly after declared war on USA.
So don't be narrow minded as the my fellow european who I already mentioned .We helped each other simple as that.
 

****Ya, to say america won the war for everyone is a load of bull, it was the allies against the axis, not america against the axis. Pretty arrogant to think otherwise.****

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Well now you have to point out who in fact said that.  Or would your statement be 'a load of bull'?

Finwe

Other then the facts that your statements have been hinted towards the fact that america almost single-handedly won WWII, with just a tiny bit of help from the rest of the world, and that america was really the only fighting power.

Galoot

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Originally posted by Finwe

Other then the facts that your statements have been hinted towards the fact that america almost single-handedly won WWII, with just a tiny bit of help from the rest of the world, and that america was really the only fighting power.

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Oh so now I really didn't say it but rather hinted. Oh ok, now you can quote the sentence or phrase that has the above mentioned hint.

Finwe

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Originally posted by Galoot
Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.
But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.

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Originally posted by Galoot
Originally posted by hercules
Originally posted by Galoot
Yes my father was there some 60+ years ago helping to save your ungrateful bacon.
But as the saying goes ignorance is bliss.First to the guy been narrow minded and calling most americans clueless thats a stupid statement to make for sure and makes you narrow minded.
Secondly for the poster above I guess you are referring to WW2  since it falls in that timeline and I guess you are trying to say your father(an american) saved us brits.
Sorry but we fought our own war and we all helped each other thats what the allies are for.I can easily say the Russians saved us by taking a majority of the german army in the battles of the eastern front.Read the history of WW2 and you would find majority of the biggest battles were mainly fought by the Russians.
But did the Russians save UK?Perhaps but then we saved them by taking pressure off them too.Same goes for USA .
(1)-->>>***USA joined the war after it was attacked by Japan ,who was an ally of Germany .And Germany shortly after declared war on USA.***<<<--
So don't be narrow minded as the my fellow european who I already mentioned .We helped each other simple as that.
 (1)  Not so fast. Although we were 'officially neutral', we had pilots and air crews working in the RAF ( see Eagle Squadrons) and flying in China ( see Flying Tigers) up until the attack on Pearl Harbor at which time they merged back in with the Army Air Corps.
During that whole period of time, we supplied weapons and aircraft to the UK under lend/lease. Also we shipped food and clothing ect via our Merchant Marine Service that was about the only thing keeping you alive (along with the crews from the UK and my Canadian neighbors but at that time the same thing eh?). We stayed 'neutral' even though our ships were being sunk on a regular basis from the U-Boat Wolf Packs. In fact our Merchant Marine Service suffered the highest losses. More than the Army, Navy, Air Corps or Marines as a percentage.
Staying 'neutral' allowed us to ramp up our manufacturing base so as to supply not only our own armed forces, but the allied forces as well. ( and when I say supply I don't mean every gun or bullet)
(2) If you re-read my post you'll see that I said he HELPED.

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You say that america went over, and saved the europeans butts. In other words they would of all been taken over from hitler and the whole world was doomed if america didnt come to the rescue and single-handedly defeat germany!!

Now if you didnt disagree, you wouldnt of disagree'd after he said it wasnt so. You know, if you didnt mean that, you sure gave everyone the assumption you did.

Galoot

LOL so in your dictionary helped means single-handedly? And I may be asking too much but if you re-read what I said, you'd see that I corrected a common myth. And that is that the US was not involved until after Pearl Harbor. And followed with examples of how we were involved.

Now wether or not you want to hear it is another issue. It is also another issue if you want to read more into it then is actually there.

Dsty2001

Actually, America (I'm American, I just know the facts) didn't almost single handedly kick Germanys butt.  We was a large reason Germany lost however

It was Hitlers dumb move to attack Russia that ultimately lead to their defeat.

Sometimes, it is better to say nothing at all. Cause big mouths results in big words, and big words travel like bacteria.

Finwe

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Originally posted by Galoot

LOL so in your dictionary helped means single-handedly? And I may be asking too much but if you re-read what I said, you'd see that I corrected a common myth. And that is that the US was not involved until after Pearl Harbor. And followed with examples of how we were involved.
Now wether or not you want to hear it is another issue. It is also another issue if you want to read more into it then is actually there.

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As I said, maybe you didnt mean it as so, but the way you were speaking was the whole america won the war pretty much singlehandedly type of talk.

Jutsu

lol.. dont worry

swedens have different advantages then the 'Ol U.S and CA contests... just look for sweden betatests

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