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It will be the east that will push the genre to the next generation.
Gameloading
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I know, I know, I hear you think. there he goes again, with his korean fanboism.
I know its a pretty harsh statement, But I really think that it will be Korea that will push the genre forward, instead of the west. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the western developers will also bring a few titles that will break the mainstream MMO, such as Age of Conan. But the majority of MMO titles that will be original and can truly be called Next Generation will come from the east.
In fact, I'm willing to make another harsh statement. In less then 8 years, over 50% of you will be playing Korean MMO's, insead of western.
Obviously, I will provide a few titles to back up my theory.
Ragnarok II: The gate of the world
Gameplay movie
This title is very diffrent from the first Ragnarok Online, although it is made by the same company, Gravity. most important aspect is that the game has full twitch based combat. the game is also supposed to have dynamic quest content,although I don't know all the details (CleffyII has more information on this, look Here (link). scroll down to his post). I know, I'm not a big fan of the graphics either, But gameplay over graphics, right?
Granado Espada:
Gameplay video 1
Gameplay Video 2
Gameplay video 3
I couldn't pick which gameplay video to show, so I made a link to all 3 of them hehe
Anyway, Granado Espada is made by Kim Hak Kyu, who is said to be the number 1 Korean game developer. He is also the founder of Gravity, Who became one of the biggest MMO companies of today, And original developer of Ragnarok Online, although he left a few years after Ragnarok Online was completed. See him as the korean Richard garriot. Kim Hak Kyu was given 56 Million USD to create Granado Espada (making it one, if not THE most expensive MMORPG ever created). The main feature that makes Granado Espada original is that you control 3 characters, instead of 1, called the Multi Character control (MCC) also original is the ability to recruit NPC's.
Granado Espada is a bit of a mix between a typical MMORPG and a RTS.
Aion: The tower of Eternity
Gameplay video
Aion is a new project of NCsoft, and is aiming for a 2007 release, Beta is supposed to start Q4 of 2006. Sadly, not much is known about Aion yet. surprising is that it seems to have very western controls. In an ign interview, it is mentioned that the game will have a diffrent character development then the standard MMO, although no further details have been given. The game features Realm Vs Realm Vs Realm pvp. However, you can only chose from 2 factions, the Angels, and the Demons. the 3rd faction, the dragons, is an NPC faction. its there to keep the war balanced. If the angels are outnumbered, the Dragons will come to their aid, and the same counts for the demons. it works in theory, we will have to see how it will work.
Huxley
Huxley first presentation
MMOFPS. Listen to the presentation, all that needs to be said.
SUN: Soul of the ultimate nation
SUN
I don't know a lot about this game. heck, I'm not even sure if its actually an MMORPG. I couldn't find a lot of good gameplay videos of it, but I hope this will do.
Well, I hope you found this post intresting!
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Or we could all wait to play Infinity or URU Live?
Aion does look very nice though, SUN looks a bit blurgh, I like the controlling multiple characters idea of GE, and it looks beautiful, if
Ragnarök 1 bored my face off, but it seems Gravity is doing a lot to make the sequel a lot more interesting.
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I personally don't enjoy eastern themed games in general, not just MMOGs. Saying that, Aion does look amazing though. I do hope that pulls through.
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same for years now, with only a few original titles in both the west
and the east. Yet we seem to get a huge wave of orginality in the next
upcomming years. I'd consider that Next-gen.
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MMO's suck. All of them. In every way. The companies
that have innovated MMO's and other RPG's have always been
American. I see nothing that will even put a crack in this trend,
let alone break it. Companies like Bioware, Bethesda,
and Mythic have innovated in ways that Koren developers
can't. Unless Korea bombs every other country in the world out of
existence, their grind games will always suck ass!
So
by this I assume you played all 100+ korean MMO's?judging by the fact
that you seem to think all of them are nothing but Grind, I will assume
you didn't. Bioware and Bethesda didn't create any MMORPG, and
Mythic didn't bring out anything new either. DAOC is Everquest with PVP
slapped on it.
That's a pretty trollish post, but i'd have to say I agree
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
given 0 innovation? It was the east that came up with the concept of
Clan Politics. It was the east that came up with sports MMORPG's,
Racing MMORPG's, Side-scroller MMO's, Turn based MMO's, Pirate MMO's.
Not to mention Korean MMO's have many diffrent graphic styles. manga,
Cell-shaded, realism. its all there.
your right, more eastern
play western MMO's then vice versa. At the same time, EVERY western
MMORPG that came to the east FAILED in the east and closed down,,
except for WoW. EVERY eastern MMORPG that came to the west was a
success. Even Lineage 1 is still running in the west.
I don't consider myself a "Joke". I consider myself well informed.
1. Fallen Earth: Seamless world, single shard, PvP and PVE, post-apocalyptic setting. Looks aweome.
2. Darfall: Everyone knows about this one and it seems it will be entering beta soon...finally.
3. Gods & Heroes: Squad based combat, roman/myth theme, some other nice stuff.
4. Age of Conan: Need I say more.
5. Pirates of the Burning SEa: Ship combat and stuff.
6. Vanguard: People might think its stupid but they have some nice new features.
7. Tabula Rasa: Looks awesome, and considering the maker, will most probably be awesome.
Cant think of any more right now, tho I have the sneaking suspicion I've missed out a few big ones. See the west aint so bad after all.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Mr Bush, I just wanted to say that not all the world laughs at you for being a weak minded buffoon.
There are some folks who think you talk sense.
Not many perhaps ... but still ... an idiots vote is still a vote huh ?
your right, more eastern play western MMO's then vice versa. At the same time, EVERY western MMORPG that came to the east FAILED in the east and closed down,, except for WoW. EVERY eastern MMORPG that came to the west was a success. Even Lineage 1 is still running in the west. I'd probably be able to prove you wrong if I did some research, but I don't have time.
I don't consider myself a "Joke". I consider myself well informed. I consider myself a Celtic warrior, yarr!
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east, but I don't disagree with the fact that they have great ideas. My
favorite game of all time was the original Ragnarok Online. The
gameplay was so amazing that I barely even cared about the 2D character
graphics. Eastern games are definitely original and bring new ideas to
MMOs, but they aren't going to take over anytime soon.
Do you mean next generation graphics or sort of like innovating from the EQ-ish basis?
If you meant gameplay-wise, I think you need better examples. I'm not saying your premise is wrong but I just don't think twitch is it. Or really that "next-gen" for that matter given we already have WWII Online and Planetside. Except for controlling multiple characters in Granado Espada, Aion and SUN could be anything. They might be the next big thing... Or they might fade into obscurity remembered only as "Yet Another Korean MMO".
These posts always wind up becoming racist and full of idiot posts, myself I've played games from all over and I've found some I liked and some I didn't. Usually if I didn't like a game it was more because of the community or how poorly a game was handled by the company. By poorly handled I mean the game became a hack fest, full of nothing but a bunch of cheap little weasels who couldn't game their way out of a wet paper bag without a cheat.
I've heard both sides of the arguments about artwork, IMO asian games are usually far better in their background artwork (especially the ancient temple areas) but can be lacking in some of the character graphics. To me this may be (in part) due to the nature of the countries these games originate from. People of one race in one country tend to look very similar, please note this does not mean everyone looks alike, but the general population has similar features, similar tastes, etc. This doesn't just apply to asians, it goes into many many other countries too.
Our need for more diversity in character creation arsises from the fact that the entire world is not a cookie cutter population. We see this every day in countries like the US (and not just the US there are plenty of other diverse countries and cities out there) where we have a mixed population. The city I live in has people from pretty much every country in the world. I walk out of my house and see asians, hispanics, middle eastern, white, black, brown, olive, big bootie, no bootie, every type of person you can concive.
Part of the limitations we see in game design arises from the days when the people from Dungeons & Dragons tried to grab a piece of every game ever created claiming it was all derivative of their work. So much content and so many ideas are locked out by lawsuits that it severely limits the entire genre (Other game companies are also guilty of jumping on this particular bandwagon). To make a game that has all the content we'd love to see would probably result in a slew of lawsuits with everyone and their granny trying to claim ownership of ideas used.
Another limitation is the technology, if you're working with a particular game engine you can only push it so far before you create a memory leaking lag beast that people can barely log onto (if at all). Unless someone out there is willing to nab a super computer, not to mention the entire bandwidth of a mid size country you can only have so much content.
To be truly diverse a company would need to bring in artists and idea people from every corner of the world and get them to cooperate with each other. This is about as likely as everybody in this forum agreeing with each other.
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I don't have to. It's liek tasting every brussel sprout in the world to see if you like them. What is this crap argument? This ain't pokemon! No sir, I do not have to catch em' all!
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...Why do you even bother? He's just going to get on now and say all Western MMO's are boring, since by your logic all he has to do is play something like Dark and Light to dismiss the whole genre and we're all going to waste time trickling off into a pickleheaded argument about Eastern design philosophies, EQ/WoW, and PVP. At least until... VE-Eay... comes up and people will fight about that.
your right, more eastern play western MMO's then vice versa. At the same time, EVERY western MMORPG that came to the east FAILED in the east and closed down,, except for WoW. EVERY eastern MMORPG that came to the west was a success. Even Lineage 1 is still running in the west.
I don't consider myself a "Joke". I consider myself well informed.
The West has more time and money to waste.
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Racing MMORPG's, Motor City Online? was released after the first korean racing game, I'll look it up again, I believe its name was CT racer
Side-scroller MMO's, Maplestory, and that's it. look here Turn based MMO's, nope, The Realm has turn based combat, that was released in 1996. correct, but after the realm, Turn based concept has never been used again in western MMO's Pirate MMO's. Ignoring World of Pirates and Puzzle Pirates? Both games were released after CORDA. Not to mention Korean MMO's have many diffrent graphic styles. manga, Cell-shaded, realism. its all there. Seed was cel shaded, EverQuest II's graphics are completely different to World of Warcraft's, and so on. Seed is dead, EQ2 is indeed an exception. But apart from that, most Western MMO's try to look realistic. sure they look diffrent, they use diffrent engines. but most of them look for realism.
your right, more eastern play western MMO's then vice versa. At the same time, EVERY western MMORPG that came to the east FAILED in the east and closed down,, except for WoW. EVERY eastern MMORPG that came to the west was a success. Even Lineage 1 is still running in the west. I'd probably be able to prove you wrong if I did some research, but I don't have time.
You can't. UO,EQ,EQ2,SWG were all released in asia and all closed. EVE is still running in china, but because of its poor subscriber base, I doubt it will live for very long.
I don't consider myself a "Joke". I consider myself well informed. I consider myself a Celtic warrior, yarr!
So if I play WoW, EQ2 and Daoc, I know what EVE is like? or if I play D&L,Mourning and Runescape, then I can say that all western MMO's are crap? thats what I thought.
I think you're jumping to conclusions. GE is Hitler-tastic(the greatest 'tastic' there is) but how much do we actually know about Ragnarok? What even gives you the idea Aion is next gen? And so far Huxley or anything made by it's company seems like vaporware.
I'm taking a wait and see approach to Ragnarok 2. It was one of the first MMOs I played and really good for when it was made but practicaly had no content. How do we know 2 has content and isn't just a 'grindfeast'.
The only reason why people think Aion is cool is because it has wings and looks like Guild Wars. NOTHING has been said about it.
SUN was supposed to come out months ago.
Europe is where it's at. TCoS FTFW!
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When people speak of the western market, then they include europe. Because the european MMO market is EXACTLY the same like the US when it comes to MMO's.